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   1. Dan Posted: October 22, 2007 at 04:18 AM (#2588425)
Yeah, the Indians were great, and should be a force for the next few years, I wouldn't be surprised to see a rematch of this series within the next few years. I'm still not sure it's even totally sunk in, but God I love this team. Except Lugo. But that's okay, I'm still absolutely stoked for the World Series. I wish it was starting Tuesday though, having to wait through 2 days with no baseball sucks.
   2. The Piehole of David Wells Posted: October 22, 2007 at 04:22 AM (#2588433)
this must have been a heartbreaker for indians fans.

but for us, happy happy days. i never thought we'd be back so soon.
   3. IronChef Chris Wok Posted: October 22, 2007 at 04:34 AM (#2588453)
WWWWWW
WWWWWWWWWWWWW
WWWWWWWWWW
WWWOOOOOOO
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
   4. ekogan Posted: October 22, 2007 at 04:35 AM (#2588454)
I was waiting for Betancourt to fall apart since Wedge was riding him like a rented mule and it finally happened. Woohoo!
   5. IronChef Chris Wok Posted: October 22, 2007 at 04:36 AM (#2588456)
Jhonny Peralgo did not help the cause of Rafael Betanlidge.

Seriously, I'm not sure who pisses me off more right now, Lugo or Millar.
   6. Dr. Vaux Posted: October 22, 2007 at 04:38 AM (#2588458)
Sabathia and Carmona both had huge innings increases this year, so I'm not sure the Indians will be a force for any more years.

At least the team that should be there from one league made it.
   7. Miko Supports Shane's Spam Habit Posted: October 22, 2007 at 04:41 AM (#2588459)
Peralta was death to the Sox early in the series. He missed a bad hopper...what else did he do?
   8. Infinite Joost (Voxter) Posted: October 22, 2007 at 04:41 AM (#2588460)
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!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
   9. Enrico Pallazzo Posted: October 22, 2007 at 04:45 AM (#2588465)
Man, it's too bad Crisp can't hit. Because that guy, hands down, should be winning a gold glove this year. Period.

But Jacoby is just electric. Sparkplug for years to come (or, hopefully, at least one more series).
   10. The Piehole of David Wells Posted: October 22, 2007 at 04:51 AM (#2588466)
Peralta was death to the Sox early in the series. He missed a bad hopper...what else did he do?


ran over blake to let a relatively easy pop-up drop in for a hit. that led to the big rally. didn't really matter tho, cuz they didn't score any more.
   11. Joel W Posted: October 22, 2007 at 05:11 AM (#2588473)
God that Coco catch was so sick, and wow Papelbon is insane. It's really quite amazing that they're going to the Series for the 2nd time in 4 years.
   12. Norcan Posted: October 22, 2007 at 05:14 AM (#2588475)
Sabathia and Carmona both had huge innings increases this year, so I'm not sure the Indians will be a force for any more years.


I wouldn't worry about Sabathia that much. Not only has he pitched 210 innings before but he's 27 and should be physically mature. There has to be some age
that you can handle an innings increase. With Carmona, the concern is there but it's no automatic thing. I'd be more worry that this is his career year and
that he'll closer to average for a certain time.
   13. Smiling Joe Hesketh Posted: October 22, 2007 at 05:14 AM (#2588476)
YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
YYYYYYYYYYYYY
EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSS
SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
   14. tfbg9 Posted: October 22, 2007 at 05:15 AM (#2588477)
I am so very grateful to be a Red Sox fan. Go nuts everybody!
   15. Phil Coorey is a T-Shirt Salesman Posted: October 22, 2007 at 05:35 AM (#2588485)
Craziest 4 days of my life!!!
   16. tfbg9 Posted: October 22, 2007 at 05:36 AM (#2588486)
Hey Phil. World Series Time Baby!!!
   17. Phil Coorey is a T-Shirt Salesman Posted: October 22, 2007 at 05:46 AM (#2588489)
Hey Phil. World Series Time Baby!!!

I can't wait!! Thursday morning at 10am (10.23 - probably)

The countdown has begun!!
   18. Miko Supports Shane's Spam Habit Posted: October 22, 2007 at 05:48 AM (#2588490)
So...any changes to the Sox roster? The Rockies will probably add Aaron Cook, bumping Morales to the pen (not sure who falls off...probably their Buchholz).

Does Gagne get dropped for Tavarez?
   19. Hugh Jorgan Posted: October 22, 2007 at 05:48 AM (#2588491)
Well done to our boys! Congrats to the Indians on a great season and I think you will find that Sabathia and Carmona may not see so many innings next year, they both seemed to run out of petrol in the ALCS. The move to bring in Jacoby was a good one, albeit 2 games too late. Funnily enough as soon as he was in the bottom of that order you just felt more confident in something happening...which it did.
The series should be interesting, but like I've been saying all year, we have the best team and should win this thing.
C'mon Darren, are you confident yet?
   20. Phil Coorey is a T-Shirt Salesman Posted: October 22, 2007 at 05:51 AM (#2588494)
I don't think Gagne will get demoted. Call it a hunch.
   21. Chip Posted: October 22, 2007 at 06:07 AM (#2588502)
Yeah, I fear that decent inning last night will save Gagne's neck.
   22. Sean in Sydney Posted: October 22, 2007 at 07:34 AM (#2588514)
Very cool. I'll see you all then :)
   23. Joel W Posted: October 22, 2007 at 08:01 AM (#2588518)
I know I'm an optimist and all, but it can't be just me who felt less sick after that Lugo error than ever before. Not that I didn't get nauseous after it, because I did, but it wasn't the utter despair that I used to feel. I'm excited, really excited, for this World Series. No stress, just pure unabashed fandom.
   24. Schilling's Sprained Ankiel Posted: October 22, 2007 at 12:29 PM (#2588541)
That may have been the least fun game i've ever seen until the 7th. I just knew tito was going to leave oki in too long, and Lofton was going to be a hero. I don't like lofton. Crisp and Ellsbury were awesome in the 9th. I'll bet Crisp starts game 1.
Go sox.
   25. Textbook Editor Posted: October 22, 2007 at 12:50 PM (#2588548)
Francis is a LHP, no? I would strongly consider a Manny-Crisp-Ellsbury OF for Game 1 and sit Drew.
   26. Joe Bivens, Minor Genius Posted: October 22, 2007 at 12:50 PM (#2588549)
I'm gonna have T shirts made with a "no pants pissing" motif.
   27. The Robby Hammock District (Dan Lee) Posted: October 22, 2007 at 01:03 PM (#2588556)
Congratulations to the American League champs and their fans. It was a hell of a series and the better team won.

I'm hearing rumors the Indians may change their logo to this next season. Chief Wahoo is out, Chief Sisyphus is in.
   28. Fly should without a doubt be number !!!!! Posted: October 22, 2007 at 01:23 PM (#2588570)
That was the greatest game I've ever seen live. And that pole in front of me was a pretty solid looking pole. Awfully thick. Dice and the pen pitched a very good sounding game behind it.
   29. The Robby Hammock District (Dan Lee) Posted: October 22, 2007 at 01:26 PM (#2588573)
Another very solid pole, albeit one that probably wasn't at Fenway last night.
   30. Joe Bivens, Minor Genius Posted: October 22, 2007 at 01:26 PM (#2588574)
Hey, there he is. All that hard work on the phone paid off. Nice.
   31. tfbg9 Posted: October 22, 2007 at 01:33 PM (#2588581)
Gagne's alrady been demoted, but I guess he'll be on the WS roster, if that's what everybody'd driving at?

Only slightly, very slightly, hungover on a fine Monday morn. WHO-HOO!!!
   32. Mike Emeigh Posted: October 22, 2007 at 01:42 PM (#2588590)
Look at the scores of the 4 Boston wins. Every one of them was an out and out blowout.


That's misleading. Into the eighth, Games 5 and 7 were close. The Sox led 4-1 in Game 5, 5-2 in Game 7, and the Indians had the tying run at the plate with no one out in the eighth inning of the latter (which brought Papelbon into the game, in a save situation).

-- MWE
   33. Joe Bivens, Minor Genius Posted: October 22, 2007 at 01:50 PM (#2588600)
Last night's game could have went either way. If Lofton is called safe at second, it's a whole different ballgame. The Red Sox were very lucky to have gotten that call.

The 2 best teams in the AL went 7 games, and the outcome was in doubt until late in the last game. That's close.
   34. IronChef Chris Wok Posted: October 22, 2007 at 02:23 PM (#2588631)
I have zero sympathy for Kenny Lofton in this case. You've got a billion stolen bases, at 40 you're faster than pretty much every non-Coco/Ellsbury player on the Red Sox, and you get thrown at 2B by Gold Glover Manny Ramirez. He shouldn't even have been in a situation where a call that close could be made against him.
   35. Joe Bivens, Minor Genius Posted: October 22, 2007 at 02:33 PM (#2588652)
Out is out and safe is safe. The replay showed him safe. It's not about Lofton, it's about the outcome of the game.
   36. John DiFool2 Posted: October 22, 2007 at 02:37 PM (#2588658)
Lofton is annoying, isn't he? Somebody should tell him he's not that good.


Or that's he 40. Age and retire already! [checking] Almost all of his age 31 comps had retired in their early 30's, except for Griffey Sr. and Wally Moses.
   37. Fly should without a doubt be number !!!!! Posted: October 22, 2007 at 02:37 PM (#2588659)
I agree with CJB. Lofton was clearly safe even from my vantage point in far away right field. It didn't even look like a particularly close play to me, so I was shocked when they called him out.

That said, I'll take the win, and the 11-2 result makes me sleep better with the injustice.
   38. Joe Bivens, Minor Genius Posted: October 22, 2007 at 02:38 PM (#2588661)
Lofton won them game 3.
   39. Toby Posted: October 22, 2007 at 03:24 PM (#2588716)
I can't help but wonder how I would have reacted to the Lofton-at-second play if instead the roles were rearranged and it was Matsui making the throw, Jeter applying the tag, and Lugo sliding into second.

(We all know how McCarver would have reacted.)

I probably would have been annoyed at the call but more annoyed at McCarver.

The fact is, it was a bang-bang play, close enough that Lofton didn't even argue. Indeed, an Indians team that has done a lot of complaining about the umpiring didn't complain in this case.

The reality is that Lofton miscalculated, Manny made a nice deke and a fantastic throw, Pedroia made a quick tag. The Sox got lucky on that call, yes, but luck in this case was very much the residue of design.
   40. Mattbert Posted: October 22, 2007 at 03:57 PM (#2588776)
So, what do we figure the rotation is for the WS? Beckett in Game 1, obviously. But after that?

I think you have to seriously consider either (a) starting Wakefield at home in Game 2 or (b) starting Lester on the road in Game 4. The latter makes more intuitive sense to me.
   41. Schilling's Sprained Ankiel Posted: October 22, 2007 at 04:14 PM (#2588803)
I agree with starting wakes NOT IN COORS, but that would screw up the rotation for later games wouldn't it?
I think Tito/Eps will keep it as it is in order to maximize the likelihood of going up 2-0 and taking their chances of stealing
one away.
   42. Lassus Posted: October 22, 2007 at 04:14 PM (#2588804)
I'll open myself up to the flaming. I watched that replay a LOT. He looks out at first, but there's a very salient point as far as the glove coming OVER the bag and hitting the arm BEFORE the impact of Lofton's hand on the bag is seen. I'm not saying he was definitely safe, but I am saying it was a close play and that it isn't clear either way. And the only way it is clear to us is on the replay. The throw beats him to the bag. It's a tag issue.

And phooey on those of you above who totally screwed with the layout of the page with your screaming.
   43. PJ Martinez Posted: October 22, 2007 at 04:17 PM (#2588808)
I think most people agree that Lofton was safe, actually. And who knows what happens if that call goes the other way?

Betancourt's dreadfulness definitely makes the issue-- well, if not moot, at least less glaring. Maybe he pitches better with the game on the line (or in hand?), maybe not. But he was going to pitch in that game at some point.

As for the WS rotation: Beckett, Schilling, Matsuzaka seems like a given. There's some rumbling about Wake's back, so that 4-spot might be up in the air. Lester?
   44. Flynn Posted: October 22, 2007 at 04:51 PM (#2588859)
Lofton is annoying, isn't he? Somebody should tell him he's not that good.

A guy with a 107 OPS+ at who put together a good year at 40 and is only playing left field because Grady Sizemore is there is that good.
   45. The Original SJ Posted: October 22, 2007 at 05:06 PM (#2588875)

When you ned up losing 11-2, it gets a little silly complaining about 1 call. 1 call isn't going to make a 9 run difference.


Great, can I please stop hearing about the 1999 ALCS then?
   46. chris p Posted: October 22, 2007 at 05:07 PM (#2588879)
When you ned up losing 11-2, it gets a little silly complaining about 1 call. 1 call isn't going to make a 9 run difference.


Great, can I please stop hearing about the 1999 ALCS then?


there was more than one horrible call in that series.
   47. PJ Martinez Posted: October 22, 2007 at 05:12 PM (#2588885)
"Great, can I please stop hearing about the 1999 ALCS then?"

I don't think this comes up all that often. But I also know that the phantom tag was far more egregious than anything that happened during this series. The ump actually apologized for that one. Lofton didn't even argue the call last night.

Seriously, though, who starts game 4 for the Sox?
   48. The Original SJ Posted: October 22, 2007 at 05:13 PM (#2588887)
there was more than one horrible call in that series.

But I also know that the phantom tag was far more egregious than anything that happened during this series.


OK, guess not then.
   49. chris p Posted: October 22, 2007 at 05:17 PM (#2588896)
OK, guess not then.

you brought it up.
   50. Textbook Editor Posted: October 22, 2007 at 05:18 PM (#2588897)
If Baseball-Reference is correct, Wakefield has never pitched in Coors, but I vaguely recall him doing so for the Red Sox... oh well.

I think starting him in Game 4 (if healthy) is a good idea, but only if you have both Ellsbury and Crisp in the OF... and maybe Drew as well.
I fear Manny will be Manny in LF at Coors and lose us at least 1 game there.

But the bigger issue here is how many games in Colorado do you start Ortiz at 1B/Youkilis at 3B or Ortiz at 1B/Lowell at 3B or sit Ortiz for a PH gig?

The Ortiz at 1B thing wasn't really an issue in 2004 because Millar 2004 < Youkilis 2007, but it will be a huge mix-and-match problem here.
   51. Mattbert Posted: October 22, 2007 at 05:19 PM (#2588898)
If it's the #4 starter going in Game 4, I'd run Lester out there. I think his stuff is better suited to Coors than Wakefield's, and you hope he also gives you some platoon advantage against Matsui/Helton/Hawpe. Colorado's lineup scares the bejeezus out of me either way, though.

(Is there any way to fix the layout? Someone with the keys deleting a few letters and exclamation points from the early exultations?)
   52. Textbook Editor Posted: October 22, 2007 at 05:24 PM (#2588909)
The thing you worry about with Wakefield is a 35 degree game night where he can't "feel" the ball right and gets hammered.
I'm not overly concerned with him starting at Coors, but I am if conditions are awful. Of course, if he has a short leash and
Lester is the 1st guy out of the pen, I'd be OK with trying Wakefield either way. There's always the chance the knuckleball
dances like mad and Colorado probably doesn't have too much experience against it.
   53. Schilling's Sprained Ankiel Posted: October 22, 2007 at 05:28 PM (#2588916)
According to the ESPN recap I read last night, Wakes wasn't available last night. I wonder if his back is still bad?
   54. Famous Original Joe C Posted: October 22, 2007 at 05:29 PM (#2588918)
The Ortiz at 1B thing wasn't really an issue in 2004 because Millar 2004 < Youkilis 2007,
but it will be a huge mix-and-match problem here.


Don't you HAVE to start Ortiz all three games and fill in the rest later? Let Youk or Lowell PH for Lugo
and/or come in for D in the late innings when you're ahead. Ortiz has to stay in the lineup, period.

The thing you worry about with Wakefield is a 35 degree game night where he can't "feel" the ball right and gets hammered.

The weather in Denver for games 3-5 is expected to be pretty mild (50s and 60s).
   55. Mattbert Posted: October 22, 2007 at 05:31 PM (#2588921)
On the Ortiz/Youkilis/Lowell problem, I'd respond to that situationally if I were in Tito's shoes. If he plays it the way he did during the regular season, with each of them getting two starts, I would look at the Game 3/4/5 starters and sit Ortiz during the game started by the pitcher with the highest GB/FB ratio (probably Beckett, though I haven't checked the numbers).

If the Sox don't win the first 2 games at home, however, it will be a tough call to sit Ortiz for any of the away games.
   56. Lassus Posted: October 22, 2007 at 05:34 PM (#2588925)
I want to see Tito start Youk at SS. Does a single Sox fan call foul if this happens? I doubt it.
   57. Dizzypaco Posted: October 22, 2007 at 05:35 PM (#2588928)
I'm pretty sure the Red Sox will start Ortiz and Lowell in all three games, and I'm pretty sure that's the right call.

If it's the #4 starter going in Game 4, I'd run Lester out there

I was all for starting Lester earlier in the playoffs, but at this point, I'm worried about the long layoff - when's the last time he started a game?
   58. PJ Martinez Posted: October 22, 2007 at 05:56 PM (#2588977)
Lester looked good in his one relief appearance, didn't he?

Maybe Ortiz sits in game 5, with the lefty Francis presumably starting.
   59. Schilling's Sprained Ankiel Posted: October 22, 2007 at 06:01 PM (#2588986)
What do we know about the Rockies line-up? Other than Helton and their hot streak, I know absolutely nothing about the Rocks.
   60. Xander Posted: October 22, 2007 at 06:05 PM (#2588996)
Lester looked good in his one relief appearance, didn't he?
Actually, he looked good in one relief appearance. In Game 2, he didn't look good.
   61. 1k5v3L Posted: October 22, 2007 at 06:08 PM (#2589002)
What do we know about the Rockies line-up? Other than Helton and their hot streak, I know absolutely nothing about the Rocks.


Luckiest bunch of lucks who ever lucked.
   62. IronChef Chris Wok Posted: October 22, 2007 at 06:09 PM (#2589006)
In Game 2, he didn't look good.


He was set up to fail.

Btw, my priorities for the rotation:
1) Schilling does not start on the road
2) Wakefield does not start on the road (the knuckler doesnt' knuckle in Denver)
3) Beckett does not start on short rest, which means he will not go 147

I'd go: Wakefield/Schilling/Beckett/Daisuke/Lester/Schilling/Beckett

You avoid Wake and Curt on the road, and Beckett pitches on full rest.
   63. JB H Posted: October 22, 2007 at 06:17 PM (#2589019)
I don't think Ortiz should start vs the lefties in Coors. Defense + platoon splits make Youkilis the better player in those games, and benching Papi you still get to give him the highest leverage AB of the game. I'm guessing Papi, Lowell and Youks will all sit one game though.
   64. IronChef Chris Wok Posted: October 22, 2007 at 06:28 PM (#2589031)
Agreed. I'd give Ortiz the day off against the lefty.
   65. Joel W Posted: October 22, 2007 at 07:00 PM (#2589115)
Is there a way to line up sitting ortiz v a lefty while also having dice k on the mound. O think that would maximize the defensive addition and minimize the loss of the bat.
   66. villageidiom Posted: October 22, 2007 at 07:26 PM (#2589197)
Back from Boston. Wow, that was fun.

I like the idea of Beckett pitching Game 3, if only because he's likely our best-hitting
pitcher. (Now, if only we can teach Ortiz to play SS...) The obvious drawback is if
Boston ends up losing the other 3 of the first 4 games, he's not yet available for Game
5. The nice part about the ALCS was that our best pitcher was used twice in the first
five games; as it turned out that was pretty useful.
   67. Dizzypaco Posted: October 22, 2007 at 07:33 PM (#2589220)
I don't think Ortiz should start vs the lefties in Coors. Defense + platoon splits make Youkilis the better player in those games, and benching Papi you still get to give him the highest leverage AB of the game. I'm guessing Papi, Lowell and Youks will all sit one game though.

Playing Youkilis over Ortiz against a lefty makes sense to me, but can someone explain the thinking behind sitting Lowell? I don't get it.
   68. plim Posted: October 22, 2007 at 07:46 PM (#2589248)
54. Textbook Editor Posted: October 22, 2007 at 01:18 PM (#2588897)

If Baseball-Reference is correct, Wakefield has never pitched in Coors, but I vaguely recall him doing so for the Red Sox... oh well.


According to Baseball-Reference, Wakefiled has pitched in Coors twice:

I Split G GS GF W L S CG SHO IP ERA H R ER HR BB IBB SO HBP
+-+------------+----+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+------+------+----+----+----+---+----+---+----+---+
COL-MileHigh Std 2 2 0 0 2 0 0 0 9.2 9.31 17 10 10 1 6 1 4 0

and no, those aren't good numbers.

I believe one of those starts was back in his pittsburgh days, but not sure.
   69. JustDan Posted: October 22, 2007 at 07:47 PM (#2589253)
That's Mile High Stadium, both in 1993. But I believe that Denver is still the same elevation.
   70. Mister High Standards Posted: October 22, 2007 at 07:48 PM (#2589256)
Both were in 1993.
   71. Famous Original Joe C Posted: October 22, 2007 at 08:00 PM (#2589280)
Nine and two-thirds innings 14 years ago tell us absolutely nothing about what might happen in this series.
   72. bwright Posted: October 22, 2007 at 08:19 PM (#2589306)
Beckett goes 1 and 4, which means he's available for 2,3, or even 4 high leverage innings in game 7. If Wake can't throw the knuckle on the road then he might be a good guy to leave off the roster and replace with Tavarez. I think throwing a lefty at the Rockies would be a good idea base on L/R splits: Beckett, Schilling, DiceK, Lester, Beckett, Schilling, DiceK - carry 6 bullpen arms: Paps, Oki, Delcarmen, Timlin, Tavarez, Wake (replace if back is an issue)

At mile high I'd rest Ortiz against lefties. Youks is freaking killing the ball now, hate to see him out of the lineup, but moving him to third is a bit of a gamble. Also I'd like to see Elsbury moved up in the lineup, having him set the table for Lugo and a pitcher would be a waste of his talents:

(if Ortiz in) Elsbury, Pedroia, Ortiz, Manny, Lowell, Drew, Tek, Lugo, Pitcher
(else) Pedroia, Elsbury, Youks, Manny, Drew, Lowell, Tek, Lugo, Pitcher

The obvious place to use Ortiz (or Youks) off the bench is for Lugo or the pitcher. I'm actually excited for NL park, because I think we have a solid bench that doesn't come into play or get used like it should in AL parks.
   73. PJ Martinez Posted: October 22, 2007 at 08:35 PM (#2589329)
All these permutations remind me why I like the current AL/NL setup, with the DH in one league but not the other. It sets up these bizarre strategic decisions that a fan can endlessly second-guess.
   74. Hugh Jorgan Posted: October 22, 2007 at 10:54 PM (#2589629)
"I want to see Tito start Youk at SS. Does a single Sox fan call foul if this happens? I doubt it"

Surely Lowell could play SS as well as Lugo did last night. The way he misjudged the Lofton popup was very poor fielding. I can see sitting Papi against a lefty at Coors, but to lose Youk right now is tragic...he is on fire. Ironically Papi hasn't done much in the last two games, but for him thats pretty meaningless. I would assume that Lowell at some stage(high school maybe) has tried his hand at SS. Yes, I agree and infield of Youk(3B), Lowell(SS), Pedroia and Papi is brutal on paper but who knows.
Does Ellsbury start from now on?
   75. Chip Posted: October 22, 2007 at 11:30 PM (#2589673)
I just checked out the online feed of sports radio in Denver to find out what they were planning to do about the ticket imbroglio, and found out just how little attention they pay to baseball there.

First off, they have no idea what Youkilis' name is or how to pronounce it, so they keep calling him "Captain Y" or "Yakovich." Then when a caller asks what the Sox lineup will be under the NL rules, the guy says, "No way they take Yakovich out of the lineup for Ortiz — no way. He's their hottest hitter!"

Then they went through the lineups player by player, and declared every single position player on the Rockies to be better individually than their Red Sox counterpart— with the exception of Lowell. They granted DH to Ortiz in Fenway.
   76. Hugh Jorgan Posted: October 22, 2007 at 11:37 PM (#2589685)
Hmmm, maybe Holliday is the better LF, let's see him play one off the monster as well as Manny does? Did I just praise Manny's fielding...holy crap. Seriously though, that's a real art learning to play that wall and Manny is pretty darn good at it.
   77. Chip Posted: October 22, 2007 at 11:42 PM (#2589690)
They weren't talking defense alone. They were talking about them as two-way players.
   78. plink Posted: October 23, 2007 at 12:08 AM (#2589711)
They weren't talking defense alone. They were talking about them as two-way players.

There are only 2 positions where this is an egregious error. Those are big errors, but hey, 6/8 isn't bad!
   79. Darren Posted: October 23, 2007 at 12:45 AM (#2589736)
Hey guys, sorry I haven't gotten around to posting the weekly 99 ALCS thread yet. I know I usually have it up by Sunday but I've been busy enjoying the Red Sox win in the 2007 ALCS. Don't worry, I'll put it up soon and we'll be back in business.

Also, I wanted to point something out to you fellas. Watch this:

Yiiiippppeeee
eeeeee
eeeeee
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Hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhooo
rrrrraaaaaayyyyyy!!!


See how I did that? I got all excited and made a big long word but I broke it up! :)
   80. PJ Martinez Posted: October 23, 2007 at 12:48 AM (#2589738)
"There are only 2 positions where this is an egregious error."

There are only two positions where this is an error at all, right? They called Lowell; obviously Varitek is better than Torrealba and Pedroia is better than Matsui. Otherwise, if we're just talking about this season... they've pretty much got us covered, don't they? I suppose when you factor in defense as well, Crisp might surpass Taveras (and I'm leaving Ellsbury out of the equation for the moment). But Taveras is decent in the field, isn't he? And he's hit better.

Of course, this is without any league adjustment.
   81. Chip Posted: October 23, 2007 at 01:26 AM (#2589763)
It was the Torrealba and Matsui analysis that really threw me. In both cases, it was "no question" to them.

And is Helton vs. Youkilis a clear win for them? Even Manny vs. Holiday might be more of a push than at first glance, despite the defensive difference, now that Manny's fully healthy and controlling the strike zone in Manny Classic fashion, better than he has all year.
   82. JustDan Posted: October 23, 2007 at 02:17 AM (#2589790)
I just checked out the online feed of sports radio


I think I found the source of the problem.
   83. PJ Martinez Posted: October 23, 2007 at 02:37 AM (#2589822)
Helton had a 133 OPS+ this year (to Youk's 117) and has a great defensive reputation.

Matt Holliday put up a 150 OPS+ this year at age 27, Manny put up a 126. Manny appears to be hitting better right now than he has all season, and has put up huge numbers in the past, obviously, so maybe you give the Sox this one.

But Helton/Youkilis definitely goes to the Rockies, I think.
   84. Joel W Posted: October 23, 2007 at 03:33 AM (#2589872)
Can somebody explain how the Rockies have such an advantage on BPro's playoff odds?
   85. Miko Supports Shane's Spam Habit Posted: October 23, 2007 at 06:31 AM (#2589931)
The Rockies position players are good, but I think the core of the Sox (Ortiz, a healthy Manny) stands out a bit. With Pedroia and Youks in front doing their thing, the Sox have big inning potential...which made all those GIDP's in the Cleveland series so painful.

Rockies pretty much filled all their holes, though; they seem like a very balanced team.

Holliday's for real, has some problems with plate discipline at times; seems like a good fielder for a LF to me (despite his miscue against the Phillies..was it?) Atkins can hit, can take the ball to the opposite field. He's a poor defender (bad range) so he's not as good as Lowell. Carroll plays 3rd when the Rockies are ahead in late innings. Hawpe is a better hitter than Drew, '07 edition, but has probs vs. lefties. Not that I advocate bringing in Lopez for him. Very sweet lefty uppercut. Not so much range, but a strong and amazingly accurate throwing arm, esp. considering he's a converted first baseman.

Helton doesn't run so well, otherwise, he's still a good fielder. Very selective (but you know that). They'll start Taveras but I don't think Sullivan or Spillborghs are far behind him. Taveras is fun to watch, though, because of his wheels. (MCoA called it earlier this season when I asked...Ellsbury is Taveras with power.) An OF of Sullivan, Hawpe, and Holliday is very nice in the large CO outfield...all have good arms for their positions.

Tulowitzki you know. Out Jeters Jeter on the jump throw from the hole, seems to make a memorable play every other game. Decent power, has been chasing the high pitch when over-eager (e.g., start of this season, and in much of the playoffs).

The pen has been pretty deep and reliable considering all the retreads. Herges and Hawkins are the 5th-7th inning guys, and with a lead they love to go Fuentes in the 8th and Corpas in the 9th.

It will be interesting to see how Jiminez does. Great stuff w/an odd motion, but he suffers through bouts of wildness and the Sox' selectiveness could kill him.
   86. Miko Supports Shane's Spam Habit Posted: October 23, 2007 at 06:44 AM (#2589934)
Francis is a LHP, no? I would strongly consider a Manny-Crisp-Ellsbury OF for Game 1 and sit Drew.

Yup. Tall (6'5") and skinny, face of a 12 yr old. Odd motion, the ball comes out real low, sort of like Sid Fernandez, although without the killer curveball. Francis doesn't throw hard (89-90).

Hmm, the Rockies were fifth in the NL in WHIP but turned the 2nd most DP's. Might see more of that annoying rally killing by the Sox.
   87. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: October 23, 2007 at 06:46 AM (#2589935)
Look at the scores of the 4 Boston wins. Every one of them was an out and out blowout. And if not for all the double plays the Sox hit into, it would have been a lot worse. Never has a 7 game set been so one-sided.

Tony Kubek is unable to retort, because his throat stings too much to speak.
   88. johan Posted: October 23, 2007 at 12:43 PM (#2589984)
BPro is looking at a teams records vs lefty and righty starters. I believe the Redsox were under .500 against lefties this season and the Rockies will likely start lefties in 3 games. (having trouble tracking down the exact numbers) Conversely the Rockies struggled against lefties but aren't scheduled to face any in this series at this point.
   89. johan Posted: October 23, 2007 at 12:49 PM (#2589986)
Found the numbers- Boston was 71-43 against righties, just 25-23 against lefties. The Rockies were 70-49 against righties, just 20-24 against lefties. These are just regular season stats and don't include anything from the playoffs.
   90. Textbook Editor Posted: October 23, 2007 at 01:50 PM (#2590051)
#93/#94 might be a reason to start Lester in Game 4.
   91. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: October 23, 2007 at 01:57 PM (#2590060)
I'm just sort of assuming it's Lester in Game 4. The Red Sox will definitely go for two starts from each of the top three, which means that the 4th starter has to pitch in Denver. You're not going to put a knuckleballer in Coors, so the next choice is Lester. The Rockies' platoon splits seal the deal.

The only issue is Lester's FB/HR tendencies - he's also not the ideal thin air pitcher. I guess you could make a case for Tavarez, as a sinkerballer, but I'd probably stick with Lester.
   92. johan Posted: October 23, 2007 at 02:38 PM (#2590119)
whats interesting is that the Rockies could easily use Spilborghs in place of Hawpe against Lester and go a long way towards eliminating their platoon split. Spilborghs just crushed lefties this year. But against the Dbacks when Davis pitched Hawpe was still in the game.
   93. Answer Guy Posted: October 23, 2007 at 02:42 PM (#2590125)
I don't see much use for Wakefield in this series, unless he's to be used in long relief if Schilling falters in Game 2 (or Game 6) or doing mopup work in one of those games or some other game.
   94. SoSH U at work Posted: October 23, 2007 at 02:51 PM (#2590132)
I don't see much use for Wakefield in this series, unless he's to be used in long relief if Schilling falters in Game 2 (or Game 6) or doing mopup work in one of those games or some other game.


The trouble with Wake in long relief is it forces the Sox to either pull Tek for Mirabelli or let Varitek catch the knuckler, neither an appetizing prospect. In mop-up duty, of course, it doesn't matter.
   95. Answer Guy Posted: October 23, 2007 at 02:55 PM (#2590137)
The trouble with Wake in long relief is it forces the Sox to either pull Tek for Mirabelli or let Varitek catch the knuckler, neither an appetizing prospect. In mop-up duty, of course, it doesn't matter.

Yeah, so he's probably relegated to mop-up duty, which is a shame since most Colorado hitters would not have had much exposure to the knuckler and as such it might be a more effective weapon against them than it would be against an AL opponent.
   96. johan Posted: October 23, 2007 at 07:53 PM (#2590537)
Wakefield has been left off of the world series roster.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/playoffs2007/news/story?id=3075978
   97. Sean Forman Posted: October 23, 2007 at 08:08 PM (#2590563)
If you want Youks, Lowell, and Ortiz in the game in Denver, you might consider moving Pedroia to short and then Youk or Lowell to 2B. If you had Sid Fernandez pitching, I might consider it.
   98. WS2007Ticketholder Posted: October 23, 2007 at 09:33 PM (#2590752)
OMG you people are so full of yourselves!!!!

You have a good team and have a decent chance against the National League's best team, but don't forget the Series is still yet to be played.

You were simply very lucky to make it to the World Series yet you talk like it is your birthright.

Frankly I hope you lose and get what's coming to you.
   99. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: October 23, 2007 at 09:33 PM (#2590754)
That post is comedy gold!
   100. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: October 23, 2007 at 09:44 PM (#2590769)
OMG! u r sooooo rite!!!

;););)
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