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   1. villageidiom Posted: March 20, 2018 at 04:36 PM (#5640528)
Maybe you are Tyler Thornburg.
   2. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: March 20, 2018 at 04:40 PM (#5640531)
It's either me or Kevin Spacey.
   3. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: March 20, 2018 at 04:47 PM (#5640545)
According to Bradford the Sox are now shopping both Marrero and Holt but not getting much in the way of nibbles which...yeah.
   4. Joe Bivens, Slack Rumped Rutabaga Head Posted: March 20, 2018 at 06:22 PM (#5640616)
Devers looks slim.
   5. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: March 20, 2018 at 07:06 PM (#5640637)
Really it has been a feel-good camp so far with the reports on Eduardo Rodriguez positive as well but again, the Sox won’t feel any need to rush.


Unfortunately E-Rod just hurt his hand using his phone whilst reading your post.

   6. Darren Posted: March 21, 2018 at 03:45 PM (#5641119)
My sense from Cora’s comments is that he prefers Hanley.


There has been a lot of talk about Hanley and how he played last year with 2 bad shoulders, and how that's a sign he should be much better this year. And that's true as far as it goes. But I think the larger point that gets overlooked is that this situation again shows how bad the Red Sox are with these incentive-based options. The whole point to having the option based on PAs, was to make sure that they only gave it to him if he was health enough to play in 2017-18. But instead, they let him rack up 553 plate appearances at sub-replacement level.

Why? Why? WHY????
   7. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: March 21, 2018 at 03:50 PM (#5641123)
Who should have played instead of Hanley? It's not like they had a lot of options behind him last year.
   8. Darren Posted: March 21, 2018 at 04:24 PM (#5641152)
anyone. He was below replacement level. Putting another replacement-level guy in there for 2 months while he's out is a) no loss, b) makes it less likely that he reaches his option vesting, c) makes it possible that he might have been healthy for the tail end of last season.

And there were a ton of bats available for almost nothing at and before the deadline.
   9. Darren Posted: March 21, 2018 at 04:32 PM (#5641156)
Is the idea that Swihart won't catch?
   10. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: March 21, 2018 at 04:37 PM (#5641159)
At the moment it seems like Swihart is being set up to be a utility player and not a catcher. I assume that if Leon or Vazquez goes down for any length of time that Swihart would be the backup catcher in that case.
   11. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: March 21, 2018 at 05:42 PM (#5641206)
At the moment it seems like Swihart is being set up to be a utility player and not a catcher.


IIRC, I believe you may have mentioned somewhere that you like his bat?
   12. jacksone (AKA It's OK...) Posted: March 22, 2018 at 11:26 AM (#5641520)

DH: J.D. Martinez

.273/.304/.409 so far in the spring without a tater.


Not that I am worried about Martinez, nor do I think it's a mistake that the Sox signed him, but I still wish they had of gone with Santana at 1st/DH and gone more risk/reward on someone like Logan Morrison instead of Mitch Moreland.
   13. jmurph Posted: March 22, 2018 at 12:07 PM (#5641572)
JD is more than a year younger and projects to be quite a bit better this year, so I'm happy they made that choice. But I also wish they'd gone after Morrison- I guess they possibly moved too soon on Moreland? His contract is fine, but a potential upgrade wouldn't have cost much more, in retrospect.
   14. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: March 22, 2018 at 01:27 PM (#5641675)
It was SUCH a weird off-season. I think there is a case that some teams jumped early on guys (Moreland is a good example) not realizing that the market for guys like LoMo wouldn't develop. I think it happened with relievers a bit too. Santana+LoMo might be better than JDM+Mitchy Two Bags but I'm not convinced it's a huge difference and I think there is value to JDM's star power ahead of the other two.

FWIW per ZiPS;

Moreland 0.9 WAR
Martinez 3.8 WAR
Total 4.7

Morrison 1.9 WAR
Santana 2.9 WAR
Total 4.8

For me I'd rather have the star weighted pairing because I can upgrade Moreland at some point if it is not working out. A Santana/Morrison mix you are kind of "stuck" with. Whether it's a Sam Travis call up or one of Hanley/Mitch solidifying themselves or trading big (Abreu/Freeman) or medium (Justin Bour/Lucas Duda)I can see the Sox coming out on the plus side of this equation more than the negative side.
   15. jacksone (AKA It's OK...) Posted: March 22, 2018 at 02:33 PM (#5641734)
Adding a bit more info.

Moreland 0.9 WAR - 2/$13
Martinez 3.8 WAR - 5/$110
Total 4.7

Morrison 1.9 WAR - 1/$6.5
Santana 2.9 WAR - 3/$60
Total 4.8

I'd take the under on Morrison there, and agree with the other numbers, and I get the star power in Martinez. But where you see the Santana/Morrison option as being 'stuck' with, I see it the other way. Martinez is now a fixed cost for the Sox, and unless he goes all Fat Panda on them he is going to be the DH - the same way Hanley has kept playing with sub 100 OPS+ seasons. I'd think Cora would be ok benching Moreland, but would any team want to trade for him? And why pay $6.5 per year for a backup 1B when the Sox could call up Travis? Or could Swihart learn the position? C to 1B is a relatively proven switch, Napoli and Mauer being two prominent, recent, guys.
Conversely, Morrison is a one year deal with the buyout. He sucks this half? Bench him, release him, trade him, he's off the books 2019. And yes, Santana is older, but he's signed for 2 fewer years, either way the Sox are tied to a DH thruogh his age 34 season.

   16. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: March 22, 2018 at 03:11 PM (#5641777)
And why pay $6.5 per year for a backup 1B when the Sox could call up Travis?


$6.5 million is couch cushion money for the Sox and if it lets Travis develop a bit more (the power is still a work in progress) that has a benefit.

Or could Swihart learn the position?


Yes he could. As you note that's not a difficult conversion but how confident were the Sox in December in Swihart?

Conversely, Morrison is a one year deal with the buyout.


That gets back to the weird off-season though. I suspect that the Sox dug around the market and LoMo was asking 3/45 or whatever and decided they weren't interested so they jumped on Moreland rather than being left standing when the music stopped. That LoMo took 1/6.5 on February 28 doesn't mean he was willing to even listen at that number in mid-December.

   17. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: March 22, 2018 at 03:14 PM (#5641778)
I will add that in a LoMo versus Moreland situation I'd take LoMo every day and twice on Sunday. I think the Sox had an amount of money they were prepared to invest this winter and with the expectation of what they were going to give JDM they were wary of spending big on Morrison. My guess is the final deals look a bit worse for the Sox because of the way everything played out. I don't think they would have expected to land Martinez AND Morrison for an AAV of $28.5 million. I'd bet they were thinking the combined total there would have been between 35 and 40.

Santana is a weird one. I wonder if his agents just did a better job of reading the market and said "look, if someone offers you $20 mil a year just grab it this is going to be a bloodbath" and the Sox never got a shot at him. Because I'll admit when I saw that deal I was bummed that the Sox hadn't gone in at that price.
   18. jmurph Posted: March 22, 2018 at 03:21 PM (#5641786)
I suspect Santana is going to decline rapidly, but I'm generally wrong, so they probably should have signed him.
   19. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: March 23, 2018 at 04:54 PM (#5642477)
Steven Wright 15 day suspension for violation of the domestic violence policy. Brian Johnson will make a few starts.
   20. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: March 24, 2018 at 02:41 PM (#5642657)
Marrero to Diamondbacks for PTBNL
   21. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: March 25, 2018 at 05:30 PM (#5642845)
They said on the broadcast today that Pomeranz and EdRod would both be on the DL to start the year. With Scott getting sent down it looks like Brandon Workman has made the roster and the Marrero trade ends the questions about the position players. So I think it’s;

Ramirez, Moreland, Nunez, Devers, Bogaerts, Holt
Betts, Bradley, Benintendi, Martinez, Swihart
Vazquez, Leon
Sale, Price, Porcello, Johnson
Kimbrel, Barnes, Kelly, Smith, Workman, Barnes, Hembree and probably Elias since Poyner has options.

It looks like the big question out of the chute is who pitches Tuesday. If EdRod or Pomeranz isn’t ready to go then someone on that list has to go away to make room for what I assume is going to be Hector Velazquez though Remy was saying Justin Haley and Marcus Walden are in the mix also. Potentially they could send Holt down for a couple weeks as he has options left. Conversely they could just waive Elias and go with Poyner then send him down when they need the starter.

Barring injury I can’t really see a path to Roenis Elias staying on this roster for more than about a week. I’d be shocked if they went the route of sending Holt down so Elias sticks around for four games then has to clear waivers to go to Pawtucket. Maybe the Sox gamble on that but I’d be shocked if he got through.
   22. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: March 25, 2018 at 08:09 PM (#5642872)
Hector Velazquez though Remy was saying Justin Haley and Marcus Walden


Well that doesn't exactly scream Orioles of the early 70's level of starters. It's now a case of Price and Sale, pray for hail.

Yeah, I know Porcello is still there but the rhyme worked much better with just those two...
   23. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: March 25, 2018 at 09:32 PM (#5642885)
None of the preferred three of Pomeranz, EdRod and Wright’s is expected to be gone long. I’m pretty happy with the rotation. Price looked really good all spring,a healthy David Price could be a serious difference maker.
   24. Toby Posted: March 25, 2018 at 10:32 PM (#5642899)
We have two relievers named Barnes?
   25. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: March 25, 2018 at 10:45 PM (#5642903)
See that’s what I get for doing it on the fly. So I guess there is room for Elias and Poyner or did I forget someone obvious? I haven’t heard Austin Maddox mentioned this spring, is he hurt?
   26. jacksone (AKA It's OK...) Posted: March 26, 2018 at 08:21 AM (#5642935)
So I guess there is room for Elias


Elias was optioned to AAA. Poyner is now the only lefty in the pen.
   27. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: March 26, 2018 at 08:59 AM (#5642944)
I missed that. So is it just going to be the fifth starter on the roster? Apparently Elias does have an option remaining so that's pretty useful.
   28. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: March 26, 2018 at 10:00 AM (#5642977)
Did anyone else watch yesterday's game? I thought Price looked very sharp.
   29. villageidiom Posted: March 26, 2018 at 03:59 PM (#5643332)
I hate to say it but I haven't watched an entire spring training game. The last game I watched any part of was over a month ago, when I turned on the game and found Boston was ahead, in the 9th, and pitching with 2 out and 2 strikes. The game ended on the only pitch I saw.

I was reminded today that opening day is this week, and only got that reminder because my employer is an MLB sponsor and encouraged everyone to wear baseball stuff to work on Thursday. Post #1 is only a slight exaggeration of how far out of it I've been. (Not a reflection of the team nor my interest in it, but rather that I've been too busy with other stuff.)
   30. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: March 26, 2018 at 04:04 PM (#5643339)
Cubs-Sox tonight at 6 on NESN! Be there or be square!

So apparently I'm really stupid. Evidently Elias and Workman both had options and were sent down. I have no idea WHY I thought they were out of options, it's not something I would just make up but anyway...


Ramirez, Moreland, Nunez, Devers, Bogaerts, Holt
Betts, Bradley, Benintendi, Martinez, Swihart
Vazquez, Leon
Sale, Price, Porcello, Johnson, Velazquez
Kimbrel, Barnes, Kelly, Smith, Hembree, Poyner, Walden
   31. Nasty Nate Posted: March 26, 2018 at 04:13 PM (#5643352)
I was reminded today that opening day is this week, and only got that reminder because my employer is an MLB sponsor and encouraged everyone to wear baseball stuff to work on Thursday. Post #1 is only a slight exaggeration of how far out of it I've been.
Up until recently, I had been under the impression that the home opener was their first game. It's actually the start of their 3rd series.
   32. jacksone (AKA It's OK...) Posted: March 26, 2018 at 04:17 PM (#5643356)
Apparently Wright had a PRP injection in his knee (which as we all know is totally fine, but HgH isn't because reasons) and doesn't start his 15 game suspension until he recovers from that and is off the DL. At this point is there any particular reason to think he is going to be worth a spot in the rotation?

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