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   1. Jose is an Absurd Doubles Machine Posted: September 28, 2016 at 10:59 PM (#5309635)
I really think this might be my favorite team ever. It's just such a fun ####### team to watch.
   2. Phil Coorey. Posted: September 29, 2016 at 05:54 AM (#5309700)
Great list Jose , that Benintendo catch in Tampa was HUGE though .

Can we add that ?!

Really felt good once hanley hit the Yankee walk off , that was just insane

Hope everyone's well , can't wait for what is looking like a Tito match up which will be fun (and tough)
   3. Jose is an Absurd Doubles Machine Posted: September 29, 2016 at 06:49 AM (#5309704)
Oh man, that catch was something else wasn't it? It has been so much fun to watch the kids on this team come through time and again.
   4. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: September 29, 2016 at 07:17 AM (#5309705)
Objectively speaking, with the roster they've got now they should win the World Series, but given the way the Cubs are being portrayed as the second coming of the 1998 Yankees, it's the first time since 1986 where losing it wouldn't be seen as a crushing anticlimax. And by winning they'd be portrayed as giant killers. It's kind of a can't lose situation.

Unless, of course, they lose it the way they did in 1986, with a bullpen implosion and Ramirez letting a ball roll under his legs. That might be a bit disturbing.
   5. Jose is an Absurd Doubles Machine Posted: September 29, 2016 at 08:14 AM (#5309721)
I can't speak for anyone else but personally this season has been so much fun the playoffs are gravy. Obviously I want the Sox to go all the way but I don't think this team is dramatically better (or worse) than any of the other post-season teams.
   6. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: September 29, 2016 at 09:08 AM (#5309739)
I can't speak for anyone else but personally this season has been so much fun the playoffs are gravy. Obviously I want the Sox to go all the way but I don't think this team is dramatically better (or worse) than any of the other post-season teams.

Just for fun, here are the OPS+ / ERA+ / SRS numbers for this year's Red Sox team, along with their other post-WWII pennant winners:

Year OPS+/ERA+/SRS
2016 110 / 114 / 1.3**
2013 116 / 109 / 1.3
2007 107 / 123 / 1.6
2004 110 / 116 / 1.1***
1986 107 / 107 / 0.6
1975 107 / 104 / 0.5
1967 103 / 105 / 0.6
1946 106 / 108 / 1.1

** 2016 Cubs: 107 / 129 / 1.3

*** 2004 Yankees: 111 / 96 / 0.6
That miracle was no upset.
   7. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: September 29, 2016 at 10:24 AM (#5309788)
That miracle was no upset.


Was still a miracle, though. The 2003-2004 ALCS series as a package deal might be as good as baseball has ever been in terms of storyline.

I'm really happy with this team. I'd like to see them make a deep run in the playoffs for Papi, and I'll cheer for them every step of the way.* But they've been great over the past dozen years or so and I really can't be too hurt if they don't win the World Series when the kids on the team are so promising and the team has been so much fun to watch all year.

* I'm going to be really torn if the Mets somehow make the World Series, because while I want Papi to get a fourth ring, I'd really like to see David Wright get one before he's forced to retire from his back injury and the Mets have a much longer WS drought at this point. Plus, it would probably stick in the Yankees craw even more for lolMets to win a World Series when they can't even make the playoffs.
   8. Jose is an Absurd Doubles Machine Posted: September 29, 2016 at 10:29 AM (#5309792)
Rooting interest after the Sox;

Cubs
Indians
Tigers
Blue Jays
Dodgers
Nationals
Mets
Cardinals
Giants
Orioles
   9. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: September 29, 2016 at 10:36 AM (#5309800)
Rooting interest after the Sox;


Good question:

Indians
Nationals
Cubs
Tigers
Orioles
Mets
Blue Jays
Giants
Cardinals
Dodgers
   10. Benji Gil Gamesh VII - The Opt-Out Awakens Posted: September 29, 2016 at 01:02 PM (#5309912)
Rooting interest after the Sox:

Nationals*
Orioles*
Cubs
Indians
Tigers
Dodgers
Mets
Cardinals
Blue Jays
Giants

*entirely self-interested, I live in DC so the possibility of local playoff games appeals.
   11. Srul Itza Posted: September 29, 2016 at 01:08 PM (#5309918)
No love at all for Adrian Beltre, Carlos Beltran and the overachieving Rangers?
   12. Jose is an Absurd Doubles Machine Posted: September 29, 2016 at 01:09 PM (#5309921)
Wow, brain fart totally didn't include them. Oops. I think I put them between the Dodgers and Nationals.
   13. Famous Original Joe C Posted: September 29, 2016 at 01:26 PM (#5309951)
Rooting interest after the Sox;


Indians
Rangers
Tigers
Nationals
Mets
Dodgers
Cardinals
Giants
Cubs
Blue Jays
Orioles
   14. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: September 29, 2016 at 01:28 PM (#5309954)

No love at all for Adrian Beltre, Carlos Beltran and the overachieving Rangers?


Hey, I just copied Jose's list and moved them around as necessary. I'd slot them in below the Tigers.

   15. Jose is an Absurd Doubles Machine Posted: September 29, 2016 at 01:31 PM (#5309957)
Hey, I was just testing SoSH to see if he was reading closely.
   16. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: September 29, 2016 at 02:19 PM (#5309997)
Rooting interests.

Red Sox = Mets
Cubs
Indians
Tigers
Mariners
Blue Jays
Orioles
Dodgers
Nationals
Getting hit by a bullpen car
Giants
Cardinals
   17. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: September 29, 2016 at 02:21 PM (#5309999)
Argh, I copied Jose too.

Rooting interests, corrected.

Red Sox = Mets
Cubs
Indians
Tigers
Mariners
Blue Jays
Orioles
Rangers
Dodgers
Nationals
Getting hit by a bullpen car
Giants
Cardinals
   18. Nasty Nate Posted: September 29, 2016 at 02:30 PM (#5310005)
I don't know how to say this without sounding like a blowhard who takes this stuff too seriously, but when the Sox are in the playoffs (or clinched, like now), I don't consider myself as having any rooting interest for any other AL team at all (with the possible exception of rooting for a team to beat the Yankees). The only interest I have in them is related to the Sox eventually playing or not playing them in an LDS or LCS.

This is not some principled stance that I am trying to take.
   19. Jose is an Absurd Doubles Machine Posted: September 29, 2016 at 02:47 PM (#5310012)
Given how stressed I've been the last couple of days you don't need to worry that you sound like you are taking it too seriously.

Are you getting to any of the games?
   20. John DiFool2 Posted: September 29, 2016 at 03:09 PM (#5310031)
Cubs for me, then a huge gap to everyone else.

Really hoping it's Sox/Cubs in the Series. That would rock, hard.
   21. Nasty Nate Posted: September 29, 2016 at 03:19 PM (#5310039)
Are you getting to any of the games?
At the moment, no, but there's a chance.
   22. Famous Original Joe C Posted: September 29, 2016 at 03:26 PM (#5310045)
I don't know how to say this without sounding like a blowhard who takes this stuff too seriously, but when the Sox are in the playoffs (or clinched, like now), I don't consider myself as having any rooting interest for any other AL team at all (with the possible exception of rooting for a team to beat the Yankees). The only interest I have in them is related to the Sox eventually playing or not playing them in an LDS or LCS.


For me, rooting for almost any other team in any way doesn't happen until the Sox are out.

Last game I attended was the Hanley Game against the Yankees. I left after 7. You're all very welcome.
   23. jmurph Posted: September 29, 2016 at 04:04 PM (#5310076)
For me:

Cubs
(big gap)
Nationals
Blue Jays
(big gap)
Rangers
Dodgers
Tigers
Mets
Giants
Orioles
Indians
(giant chasm)
Cardinals
   24. jmurph Posted: September 29, 2016 at 04:05 PM (#5310079)
By the way after seeing only the equivalent of like 7 full Red Sox games all year, I look forward to jumping into the playoffs full steam and immediately expressing only partially formed opinions about everything, but doing so VOCIFEROUSLY.
   25. Textbook Editor Posted: September 29, 2016 at 04:21 PM (#5310093)
The wife of a very good friend of mine is a Cubs fan (as are their kids), and has been her whole life--all while growing up in a Cardinals fan household. If the Red Sox can't win it, I'd sure as heck want the Cubs to win it. And if it's a Cubs-Red Sox World Series, I'll just enjoy what will no doubt be hyped as the biggest WS of all time, regardless of the outcome.

I suppose Cleveland is a distant 3rd, mainly because 1997 was a painful thing to watch... Although now that the Cavs won it's not like they're championship-starved there in Cleveland...

Agree that this has been a fun year, especially to see so many of the kids contribute in big ways.
   26. Jose is an Absurd Doubles Machine Posted: September 29, 2016 at 04:27 PM (#5310096)
One of the benefits of Cleveland winning it would be an almost certain plaque for Terry Francona down the road.
   27. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: September 29, 2016 at 04:36 PM (#5310101)
I don't know how to say this without sounding like a blowhard who takes this stuff too seriously, but when the Sox are in the playoffs (or clinched, like now), I don't consider myself as having any rooting interest for any other AL team at all (with the possible exception of rooting for a team to beat the Yankees). The only interest I have in them is related to the Sox eventually playing or not playing them in an LDS or LCS.

This is not some principled stance that I am trying to take.


That's funny, because that's exactly how I used to feel in elementary school and high school. If the Yankees weren't in the World Series, which was almost never back then, I rooted for the NL team to crush the AL pretender (the Indians and the White Sox). But ever since then I just automatically root for the AL team, although that's no more of a principled stance than yours. I just hate the National League for the way it tried to ruin my childhood every July and October, and way too often succeeded.
   28. Mark Armour Posted: September 29, 2016 at 04:39 PM (#5310104)
No story would be as big as the Cubs winning the World Series -- it would be comparable to the Red Sox in 2004, putting them on the cover of non-sports magazines and getting dozens of books written within months. I tend to root for the long-suffering fan bases, and will root for them vigorously unless they face the Red Sox, when I would have to sheepishly root for a city which has been overserved of late. Sports is strange.

Cleveland is a close second. My wife is from Cleveland, and my in-laws are loyal diehards of all of their teams. That 2007 Indians team was a great one, and it took a fair bit of fortune for the Red Sox to pull that series off.

The Nationals would also be a great story. I should feel the same way about Texas, except ... Texas.

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