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Sox Therapy — Where Thinking Red Sox Fans Obsess about the Sox Friday, September 30, 2011Thank You Terry FranconaIt appears that, per NESN, Terry Francona is out as the manager of the Boston Red Sox. Someone had suggested that we have a “Thank You Terry Francona” thread and that sounds like a good idea. Thanks Terry, you were at the helm during the most successful period for the Red Sox during my lifetime. It couldn’t have been easy, and for whatever small criticism I might have had over the years, you deserve the credit for those accomplishments. Good luck in whatever you choose to do next. Have at it. |
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1. tfbg9 Posted: September 30, 2011 at 10:34 PM (#3946688)Best of luck to Mr Francona
Also, he still looks a lot like my grandfather.
Nevertheless, he is a good man and he did a fantastic job for the lion share of his tenure and I wish him well, either in another manager position or in whatever he chooses to do from here on out.
Your grandfather was Donald Pleasence?
While I suspect it was time to go, I doubt they'll be getting an upgrade.
Sure, I can see that. Imagine Donald Pleasance taking a nap on a La-Z-Boy with his mouth open. That's my grandfather.
But Francona was pretty good and a class act; some times nice guys really do finish first -- twice in eight seasons!
Cosigned. I'll miss you, Tito! Thanks for everything!
1) Tito is awesome and I think the Sox might regret this
2) Dick Williams is the best manager of any franchise he has worked in
Not sure how Williams would work-out with jillionaires with guaranteed, multi-year deals.
As many have said, the best Sox manager of my lifetime. While his strength was probably the off-the-field stuff, his tactical work in games 4-7 against the Yankees in 2004 (principally his management of the pen) was close to impeccable.
I am very sorry to see him go.
I think this may genuinely have been a mutual decision and I hope both the Sox and Tito land on their feet. If he chooses not to manage I think he'd be a great studio guy on TV, he's got a dry humor that kills when he's relaxed.
And the 04 ALCS was a virtuoso performance.
I came around to thinking that he was not the right guy for this team anymore, but I really do think he was a very good manager during his 8 years. The best thing about 2004 was that when I had no energy left for a stressful world series, and I don't think any of us did, the Red Sox swept the Cardinals. They were 11-3 in that year's playoffs. Then, in 2007, when I really didn't have the energy to stress in the world series against the Rockies, well, they swept the World Series again. 2 rings in 8 years at a time when winning 1 in 10 requires a lot of luck even if you're making the playoffs every year is a great accomplishment and he deserves his share of credit.
Whether the Sox are making a "grave mistake" or not is academic. It seems as if the decision was mutual, so there was no avoiding his departure. Good luck to him. Except when his team plays the Red Sox.
A few years ago I had a job I loved and did well but that was starting to feel stale. I was offered another challenge. I told my wife the biggest reason for staying put was, "it is just so cool that I can tell people I do X. I would miss that.". She said, "But wouldn't it be even more cool to say, Yes, I did X, I did it well, I climbed that mountain, and I looked for bigger mountains.". She was right.
Terry climbed the mountain, he led us up the mountain. Then he did it again. The view up there was spectacular, unforgettable. THANK YOU. You will always have 2004 and 2007. May your next mountain be grand.
I don't blame him for moving on; eight years is a long time in any job. And if he comes back to Fenway in future years heading up another club, nobody had better boo him.
I can't fathom how Francona would leave with anything but the eternal gratitude of the Red Sox and their fans. Happy trails, Tito.
I miss him already. I hope most of this decision was his--if mgmt thought he wasn't the right man for the job, that's either mgmt stupidity or player stupidity.
And then after a while he'd lose the players. Because he always did and that's not going to become less likely in the days of guaranteed contracts.
Oh yes. He'd also try and make Rodney Scott his second baseman and whine when management wouldn't let him.
Perhaps, but Francona indicated the Sox never told him they'd exercise his options or offer him a new deal. Depending on the substance and tone of the discussions, he may have concluded that the Sox weren't that interested in committing to him for the future, so they'd both be better off with a change. Would he have stayed if the Sox clearly said early on that they wanted him to help fix this team and offerred him a 3-year deal? Not sure we know that.
I'm really happy that, in the middle of this vortex of shittiness, Tito and the front office have handled things the right way and allowed this dignified and good man to leave his position with grace and without recrimination. It's the least he deserves
I don't know Francona, and I certainly won't begrudge him the opportunity to manage in baseball again - he can probably have just about whatever job he wants - but I kind of like to think that he doesn't need the stress and the schedule and the travel anymore, that he can now relax into whatever life he wants to make for himself, having accomplished as much in ten years of managing as most anyone ever.
93 wins averaged per year
.574 Winning Percentage
2 pennants
2 World Series titles
And for a few days in 2004 Tito transcended, and it seemed as if everything he touched became gold.
Thanks Tito, for everything, including the happiest baseball memories of my life.
The end was ugly, but there were moments sublime along the way.
May you never pay for a beverage in Boston.
Thank you, Tito. You were a big part of the best time to be a Red Sox fan in generations. You handled the Boston microscope as well as any manager ever has, you were smart and seemed to enjoy the job, at least until the very end, and you frankly just seem like a good, decent man who wants to do the best job he can. I wish you the best in whatever you do next (with the exception of managing against the Sox of course); you'll be missed.
While one of my earliest memories of the Sox was Morgan's Magic, Tito definitely takes the cake. He's definitely in the inner circle of Boston sports lore, along with Auerbach, Belichick, Larry Legend, Ted Williams, Brady, etc.
Sad to see him go, but also good to see that at best, he left on his own terms, or at worst, the brass let it look like he did. Certainly a lot better than the way the Yankees handled Torre's departure.
/sniff-sniff
I'm gonna miss Tito. Seemed like one hell of a decent guy. Confident yet self-effacing really was the perfect personality for Boston.
Pedroia wants out?
“To be honest with you, I’m not sure how much support there was from ownership,’’ Francona offered. “You’ve got to be all-in on this job. It’s got to be everybody together, and I was questioning that a little bit.’’
46-Shanks seemed to think it meant that Tito had known for a while, years?, that Henry had soured on Tito, on his
ability to mesh "numbers concerns" and "people concerns", the two areas of input/output that the Red Sox manager would need to, let's say, properly juggle, in Henry's view.
To me, in 20-20 hindsight, my two glaring 2nd guesses are:
1) How the hell does it take 5 weeks to properly diagnose Buchholz*? They catch the real injury earlier, he's back pitching,
perhaps for as many innings as 10 days of relief and 20-25 days in the rotation. It was six weeks, IIRC, between the announcement that Buch was headed for the DL and correctly identifying the injury.
2) Why not start Aceves instead of Weiland or Wakefield, or both. (2A-I question the wisdom of the whole lets give Timmy 9 chances to get number 200 debacle). Did the brass want Tito to start Aceves?
Of the 2 major things that could be argued to have been approached differently, only one can be perhaps pinned to Tito.
*the guy was only the 2010 AL ERA+ leader, no reason to get an MRI right away--those things are expensive!!!
Explain?
Yes. I'll miss that sweatshirt, and I'll miss his dry sense of humor. But mostly, I'll be forever grateful for 2004 and 2007. The other six years weren't too shabby either. Thank you Terry Francona. Good luck, and good health.
I like this idea as well. Buying a full-page ad in a newspaper is something of a typical gesture on the part of an outgoing athlete or sports exec in semi-analogous situations? Could RSN do something similar for Tito? Maybe this is a lame idea. But I'd contribute to anyone taking up a collection for such an endeavor.
Sorry, but this caught my eye. Wouldn't random luck in an eight playoff team environment bring you the WS every eight years? Just sayin'.
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