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Saturday, September 16, 2017

The 2011 Mirror

September 10, 2011

As day turned into night turned into morning I found myself thinking of that night in Tampa six years ago.  A dramatic comeback had seemingly set up an absolutely vital victory.  Instead the Sox could not close the deal and the Rays swept and we all know what came next.

On Friday the extra inning warriors did it again.  Running their record to an amazing 13-3 in extra inning games by exploding for seven runs aided by another key Tampa error to bail out the 0 for 9 Dustin Pedroia (Trot Nixon in 2006 the only other Red Sox to do it) and win a game they genuinely neeed to win.

As much as I complain and rant and fret I truly love this team and this game is why.  They are awfully fun to watch and are getting performances up and down the roster.  That is why I so badly want to win the division, it will be a reward for a team I have truly grown to love.  A few random notes.

- When Xander Bogaerts got plunked in the first inning his reaction had me concerned.  He went 4 for 7 and made a couple of nice defensive plays.  It is nice to see him swinging the bat better.

- I am probably Joe Kelly’s biggest detractor but he was exceptional.  Nine up, nine down and I thought his fastball looked as good as it ever has.  The Rays were simply overwhelmed.  I know that is not a great lineup but my goodness was he excellent.  If he could get rolling that would be a boost.

- Deven Marrero, two doubles?  Sure why not.  OK, one of them was a ground ball up the middle that hit the pitcher but I will take it.

- Kevin Kiermayer, not a Red Sox player, but what a treat to watch.  As irksome as he was he is just a heck of a player.

- I wasn’t the only one waiting for David Price to get a save in that game was I?  I kept expecting it to happen but I don’t think he even warmed up.  I assume NESN would have shown him loosening up and if they did I never caught it.

- I may be the only one who cares but with all the extra inning games I have been wondering about the MLB record for innings pitched in a season.  The Sox are at 1344.1 right now, the record is 1504 by the 1964 Yankees so the Sox will come up short of that probably but should finish in the 1460-1480 range which could get them into the top 50.

This is all too stressful but man this team, they may not have that David Ortiz bat in there but they are fun to watch.  Big big win.

(The Pedroia stat and the IP stat both from Baseball Reference of course).

Jose is an Absurd Doubles Machine Posted: September 16, 2017 at 01:20 AM | 20 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. villageidiom Posted: September 16, 2017 at 08:49 AM (#5532913)
I know you have very little confidence in the bullpen, but doesn't the 13-3 record in extras speak really well of them especially? Even if they are shaky sometimes, they appear to be much deeper than their counterparts with the opposition.

But come on, if we're going to extra innings could we maybe just go 10 innings for once?
   2. Nasty Nate Posted: September 16, 2017 at 09:03 AM (#5532917)
Great game. It was really fun to watch. It really felt like pennant race baseball.

(and, ya neva know, they gained a game on Cleveland for the #1 position...)
   3. Jose is an Absurd Doubles Machine Posted: September 16, 2017 at 09:43 AM (#5532938)
vi - I'll freely admit that any practical evidence says that this bullpen has been outstanding. I won't argue that. I just feel skepticism that it's sustainable. Man Kelly was good last night though.

Nate - It really was. 32 at bats w/RISP. That's insane.
   4. Bad Fish Posted: September 16, 2017 at 11:59 AM (#5532972)
They got 24 team strikeouts, the most I could find with lazy searches was 26. This a grinding-don't-blink team, the MFY are on a 7-3 run and can't dent the RS lead.
   5. Jose is an Absurd Doubles Machine Posted: September 16, 2017 at 09:12 PM (#5533217)
362 days since Slick Rick's gem against Baltimore last year. That was a huge performance.
   6. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: September 17, 2017 at 08:32 AM (#5533294)
I know you have very little confidence in the bullpen, but doesn't the 13-3 record in extras speak really well of them especially? Even if they are shaky sometimes, they appear to be much deeper than their counterparts with the opposition.

The Yankees' problem with their bullpen isn't any lack of depth, and they also have a great K/9 ratio.. It's that their two biggest stars often can't find home plate at the wrong time. That's what accounts for all those discarded Maalox bottles in the Yankee Stadium bleachers.

Chapman's averaging 4.1 BB/9 and Betances 6.7. By contrast, Kimbrel's ratio is 2.0 and no Red Sox pitcher who gets used more than once in a blue moon averages more than 3.9. Combine that with the Red Sox hitters' greater ability to make contact, and you'll see why they're 13-3 in extra inning games while the Yankees are 16-25 in games decided by a run. The Yankees' big Pythagorean lead consists largely of garbage time blowouts against losing teams' worst starters,** but they're not going to run into pitchers like that in the postseason. If Severino and Gray can keep pitching lights out and Tanaka can regain his mojo, they've got a chance to advance past the DS, but I'm a lot more confident of next year's team than I am of next month's, regardless of who wins the division.

** They've now outscored the Orioles alone by 150 to 82, an average winning margin of nearly 4 runs a game
   7. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: September 17, 2017 at 04:08 PM (#5533419)
Sept. 17:

1899 in Chicago, the new American Association of Baseball Clubs formed. Cap Anson, Chris Von Der Ahe amng participants
1957 pinch hit homer by Ted WIlliams begins 16 straight PAs without at out by him (ends 9/24)
2001 BOX suspends Carl Everett for 4 games after shouting match w/ mngr Joe Kerrigan & being late for workout

   8. Jose is an Absurd Doubles Machine Posted: September 17, 2017 at 05:22 PM (#5533478)
Ah the Joe Kerrigan error I mean era. Those were the days.
   9. Morton's Fork Posted: September 18, 2017 at 03:55 AM (#5533601)
In Boston, of course, 'error' and 'era' are pronounced alike. Just like 'relief pitching' and 'pants pissing.'
   10. TomH Posted: September 18, 2017 at 10:28 AM (#5533639)
Why are Sox fans kings of self-flagellation?

Three trophies in 13 years. No franchise has more. So every time I turn around, everyone says "oh no, 2011".

I was a Red Sox fan since age 6 when Yaz won the triple crown. But I've mostly jumped ship after 2007. I felt admirable rooting for a team that deserved more than it had received, along with its fan base. But now... sorry guys. I root for Theo these days. A surprise parade in Chicago this fall will mean Teddy's face gets replaced on Rushmore with boy wonder.
   11. Jose is an Absurd Doubles Machine Posted: September 18, 2017 at 10:39 AM (#5533644)
That was kind of my point, this isn't 2011. They may not hold off the Yankees but they aren't going to blow it completely I don't think.
   12. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: September 20, 2017 at 09:40 AM (#5534950)
Sept. 20:

1947 Last SH in Ted Williams career; 1st one since 7-18-40, thus his only one in last 8,750+ PA
1947 2nd of two times Ted Williams hits 2 triples in a game
1949 John Henry, Red Sox owner, born
1960 Carroll Hardy pinch hits for Ted Williams. BOX players. He hits into DP.
1968 Mickey Mantle's last HR. Off Jim Lonbrog: BOX 4, NYY 3
1972 Dwight Evans's 1st career HR
1988 Wade Boggs becomes 1st 20th century player to get 200 hits in 6 straight seasons. In your face, Al Simmons!
2007 last game: Shea Hillenbrand
2012 TBR 7, BOX 4- TBR with 6 runs in bottom of the 9th. BJ Upton with 3-run walk-off home run. Only 1 out recorded in the inning


   13. Nasty Nate Posted: September 20, 2017 at 10:03 AM (#5534957)
MLB broke the record for home runs in a season, previously set in 2000. In both years, the Sox have hit fewer than their average of recent decades. And yet with a winning record both seasons.
   14. villageidiom Posted: September 20, 2017 at 10:23 AM (#5534964)
vi - I'll freely admit that any practical evidence says that this bullpen has been outstanding. I won't argue that. I just feel skepticism that it's sustainable. Man Kelly was good last night though.

The bullpen is now:

Billy* Kimbrel
Addison Reed
Carson Smith
Joe Kelly
David Price
Matt Barnes
Brandon Workman
Who Cares

I mean, really, when these guys are on they're insane and unfair and awesome.

(And this is a bullpen still without either Steven Wright or Tyler Thornburg.)

* Heard a story from a Primate from last night's game. Some drunk guy was heckling Kimbrel in the bullpen, then asked the Primate what Kimbrel's first name was. The Primate said "Billy". The drunk guy then started berating Billy Kimbrel, to the amusement of the guys in the bullpen. Man, I soooo want that to stick. Good ol' Billy Kimbrel.
   15. Nasty Nate Posted: September 20, 2017 at 10:35 AM (#5534971)
Is it time to start talking magic numbers? I believe it is 8 for an AL East tie, and 9 to win the division.

If the Sox and Yankees finish with the same record, there would be a one-game playoff, unlike aught-five.

** Edited to fix mistake Jose noticed
   16. Jose is an Absurd Doubles Machine Posted: September 20, 2017 at 10:39 AM (#5534974)
You have that backwards; 9 to win and 8 to tie.

Just a game a day, keep it rolling. Truthfully though we have to keep playing well because I don't think the Yankees are going to lose 3 more games this year. 7-4 will get us home and that is feasible;

@BAL
@CIN 3
TOR 3
HOU 4

The good news is that as frustrating as this has been for us it has to be worse for the Bombers. To play as well as they have and pick up no ground has to be frustrating.
   17. Jose is an Absurd Doubles Machine Posted: September 20, 2017 at 10:40 AM (#5534975)
Who Cares needs to be Austin Maddox and honestly I trust him more than Barnes right now. Last night notwithstanding Barnes does nothing for me.

Kelly has looked FANTASTIC his last couple of outings. There seems to be a plan of attack rather than "throw it hard and hope for the best."
   18. Nasty Nate Posted: September 20, 2017 at 10:57 AM (#5534985)
BTW, that's 2 straight times Kimbrel was used in a tie game on the road.
   19. villageidiom Posted: September 20, 2017 at 10:59 AM (#5534988)
Who Cares needs to be Austin Maddox and honestly I trust him more than Barnes right now. Last night notwithstanding Barnes does nothing for me.
Agreed. Maddox has been better than I'd thought he'd be. "Who Cares" was really intended not as a reflection of their ability as much as a recognition that we shouldn't care about the quality once we get that far down the depth chart.
Kelly has looked FANTASTIC his last couple of outings. There seems to be a plan of attack rather than "throw it hard and hope for the best."
Location is better, and IMO he's making better use of the changeup. You get a guy trying to keep up with 99 MPH, then 100 MPH, then 102 MPH, and then you drop an 87 on him. It's like Bugs Bunny. Insane and unfair and awesome.
   20. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: September 20, 2017 at 11:03 AM (#5534995)
The good news is that as frustrating as this has been for us it has to be worse for the Bombers. To play as well as they have and pick up no ground has to be frustrating.

I mentioned this earlier in Omnichatter, but if you want to know what Yankees fans are feeling at this point (not that you should care), check out where the Indians were on September 1st in this particular year's pennant race, how they played in September, and where they were when the race ended 4 weeks later.

Of course the most nerve wracking part of the chase is the prospect of a one-and-out in the wild card game. In 2015 that didn't matter so much, because that Yankees team was held together with bailing wire, but this year's team actually might have a legitimate shot at advancing (maybe 1 in 3) if they can make it past that sudden death game. I'm just glad that Girardi's reshuffled his rotation so that Severino will be available for either a shootout with the Red Sox or the wild card game the next day. Most of their starters have been pitching OK lately, but Severino's the only one who can take the game through 7 innings.

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