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   1. Meatwad Posted: October 25, 2004 at 05:02 PM (#936669)
The lunatic is on the grass
The lunatic is on the grass
remembering games and daisy chains and laughs
got to keep the loonies on the path

The lunatic is in the hall
the lunatics are in the hall
the paper holds their folded faces to the floor
and every day the paper boy brings more

And if the dam breaks open many years too soon
and if there is no room upon the hill
and if your head explodes with dark forebodings too
I'll see you on the dark side of the moon
The lunatic is in my head
The lunatic is in my head
you raise the blade, you make the change
you rearrange me ' till I'm sane
you lock the door
and throw away the key
there's someone in my head but it's not me

And if the cloud bursts, thunder in your ear
you shout and no one seems to hear
and if the band you're in starts playing different tunes
I'll see you on the dark side of the moon
   2. Addicted To Glove Posted: October 25, 2004 at 05:09 PM (#936674)
I hope the Cards fans see the eclipse through the prism of a Sox win.

(If you get the reference, give yourself 10 points.)
   3. GGC Posted: October 25, 2004 at 05:13 PM (#936679)
Thanks for the 10 points, AD.
   4. Olympic Village Idiot (Dan from Brooklyn) Posted: October 25, 2004 at 05:35 PM (#936709)
Do you mean the Floyd reference, or the Adams reference?

(Oh, and Cards in 6. When even the solar system is conspiring against the Sox, bet the other guys.)
   5. Guapo Posted: October 25, 2004 at 05:42 PM (#936721)
Hector Luna was unavailable for comment.
   6. Addicted To Glove Posted: October 25, 2004 at 07:16 PM (#936819)
Dan - I was thinking of the Floyd reference, but give yourself an extra 5 points.
   7. Nasty Nate Posted: October 25, 2004 at 07:44 PM (#936846)
Does anyone know people who camped out on Landsdowne st. for tickets? Any ifo whether or not they got tickets? Or how much of the line got tickets?

I'm thinking about parking myself out there for game six (if necessary) but I want to know how much of a chance I have before I freeze my ass off for 18 hours.
   8. Phil Riley Posted: October 25, 2004 at 08:57 PM (#936939)
This is bad. This is very bad.

First:
Revelation 21:23 - And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.

In other words, the city of St Louis will be blessed despite the absence of the sun and the moon... but what is the reference to the Lamb?

This:
Entry: child
Function: noun
Definition: youngster
Synonyms: adolescent, ankle biter, babe, baby, bairn, bambino, brat, cherub, chick, cub, descendant, dickens, grommet, imp, infant, innocent, issue, juvenile, kid, kiddie, lamb, little angel, little darling, little doll, little one, minor, mite, moppet, neonate, nestling, newborn, nipper, nursling, offspring, preteen, progeny, pubescent, punk, rug rat, shaver, small fry, sprout, squirt, stripling, suckling, tadpole, teenager, teenybopper, toddler, tot, tyke, urchin, whippersnapper, young, youth
Antonyms: adult, grown-up
Source: Roget's New Millennium™ Thesaurus, First Edition (v 1.0.5)
Copyright © 2004 by Lexico Publishing Group, LLC. All rights reserved.


In other words, in game 4, the Babe will bless the city of St. Louis. So the Cards will go down 3-0, and just as they are about to lose, the Bambino will carry them to victory in Game 4, after which they will proceed to win the World Series.

And don't tell me it can't happen!
   9. Baldrick Posted: October 25, 2004 at 08:59 PM (#936944)
A total eclipse...

Johnny Damon = bright eyes?
   10. Pleasant Nate (Upgraded from 'Nate') Posted: October 25, 2004 at 09:20 PM (#936974)
HIJACK....

There is a very interesting chat on ESPN INSIDER with Todd Walker today. On Red Sox related issues....

1) He's not sure if he's rooting for the Cards or Red Sox. He likes alot of the Sox, but he's bitter as hell he isn't there.

2) He claims the Red Sox never offered him a contract.

3) He says that the Red Sox claiming they are better defensively is just spin to justify dumping Nomar (and to a lesser extent himself) and all the Nomar Bashing they have done. He cites O-Cab's errors and the 8 errors in two games as proof. "they bashed him defensively as they did me, and supposedly they're unbelievable at defense now. Is that true from what you've seen??? see, it's all in the advertising. "

4) They're going to throw Pedro under the bus too.

5) He offers this gem in response to someone saying O-Cab is clearly better than Nomar defensively..."from your extensive experience in the big leagues, is that where you can say "there is no denying??"

6) He's really really bitter (although claims to be friends with Theo).

I found this extremely interesting. Todd Walker makes a great "old guard" personality in baseball's inner-circle. The fans know crap and since they haven't played in the majors can't comment.

What also is interesting is his persistent use of errors to justify his points. Now, we all know (or at least strongly suspect) the Red Sox are using something more than errors to evaluate defensive talent. Yet, one of their players didn't even know that is what he was being evaluated on. Obviously, that makes for a tough situation where the player thinks they might be doing well, but the people evaluating him are looking at different stats and coming to different conclusions.

I would tend to think this is the next great GM revolution. Wouldn't it make sense to make your players aware of how you evaluate them? I know you don't want to get into too much detail for proprietary reasons, but I would think this could lead to better results for your team.

I know it is the playoffs and all, but this was terribly interesting to me.
   11. Curt Schilling's Heroic Sock Posted: October 25, 2004 at 09:24 PM (#936981)
Maybe they'll play some Black Moon.
   12. RobertMachemer Posted: October 25, 2004 at 09:36 PM (#937000)
I'm pretty sure the Red Sox did not offer Walker a contract. They probably kept in touch with his agent in regards to how much Walker was seeking or being offered and eventually made the decision to not offer arbitration before ever getting around to offering him anything. And it was well done that they did so.

And they may decide not to offer Martinez a contract. (Please, let's leave the whole bus metaphor at home). So? If it happens, it'll be a business decision, one for which, presumably, they will feel justified (if they, in fact, do not offer him as much money as he believes he can get on the open market).

I'm really glad the Sox didn't retain him after reading the above notes. I can understand his being bitter and (ironically) defensive, but it doesn't mean I have to like him.
   13. Pleasant Nate (Upgraded from 'Nate') Posted: October 25, 2004 at 09:44 PM (#937009)
Robert,

The bus metaphor wasn't mine, it was in the chat.

Walker says he would have signed with Boston for "pretty much anything", although it doesn't say if he made them aware of such. That probably explains why he's bitter, since he was willing to take a discount and couldn't even get an offer.
   14. The George Sherrill Selection Posted: October 25, 2004 at 11:16 PM (#937096)
Walker also is on record as saying Nomar will get the 16-18 mil/yr he deserves as an elite SS.

Is there any GM dumb enough and with enough spare cash?
   15. Vance Law Revue Posted: October 26, 2004 at 03:46 AM (#937284)
Who needs a GM when you can go straight to his boss.
   16. Larry Bowa Posted: October 26, 2004 at 05:17 AM (#937327)
Paul,

Ed Wade is that dumb; it;s a good thing Jimmy Rollins is a fan favorite, or Philadelphia would be looking at Nomar as its new SS next year.

70% rain forecast tomorrow. I can't imagine they'd start a game with the forecast I'm seeing--it's worse than the forecast that caused the Friday Game 3 cancellation in Boston. My question: a cancellation obviously eliminates the off day for Friday, but more importantly makes Pedro's potential Game 7 start one on 3 days' rest. Does the elimination of the off day help or hurt Boston in the long run?

Your pal,
Larry
   17. Vance Law Revue Posted: October 26, 2004 at 01:34 PM (#937448)
Does anyone know people who camped out on Landsdowne st. for tickets? Any ifo whether or not they got tickets? Or how much of the line got tickets?

Did you see somewhere that they would be on sale? Because I don't think the Red Sox have been selling any postseason tickets at Fenway this year. All of the sales have been online and over the phone.
   18. Vance Law Revue Posted: October 26, 2004 at 01:35 PM (#937450)
All of the sales have been online and over the phone.

Moreover, whenever the Sox do sell tickets at Fenway, they hold a lottery for line position about an hour before they go on sale. There is no benefit to camping overnight anyway.
   19. Pleasant Nate (Upgraded from 'Nate') Posted: October 26, 2004 at 02:08 PM (#937504)
The Red Sox have sold day of game tickets for the post-season. I know they did for the ANH game and all the Yankee games too. I'm not sure about the World Series.
   20. Answer Guy, without side hustles. Posted: October 26, 2004 at 02:39 PM (#937555)
Does the elimination of the off day help or hurt Boston in the long run?

Hurts, in a big way. It gives the Cardinals something they need, and doesn't help the Sox hardly at all.

If they were to need Pedro to start a Game 7, it would be on 3 days' rest. And it would resurrect second-guessing about not starting Pedro in Game 1.
   21. Nasty Nate Posted: October 26, 2004 at 03:56 PM (#937654)
I was in the area about 6 hours before game 2 and there was a tent city on landsdowne.

In my research, I went to a sox messageboard where someone posted that they camped there for 22 hours before either game 1 or 2 and got an obstructed view grandstand for face (I think $145, which I would pay in a heatbeat). He said he was about 90th in line and didnt mention a lottery system of any kind.

If St. Louis wins 2 games at home I would like to get in the park almost any way possible. But I will be at a halloween party friday night and wouldnt be able to be in line until about 18 hours before game 6, which I dont think is enough time. Although it would be funny to show up in line drunk and dressed like a pirate. If it reaches game 7, I will probably camp out starting the moment game 6 ends depending on the line length at that point.
   22. Nasty Nate Posted: October 26, 2004 at 04:02 PM (#937670)
Also, if any kind soul who has season tickets would bestow upon me entrance to game 6 or 7 I would be eternally grateful.

I know I have about a 1 in 30000 chance of someone selling me their seat, but I might as well try.
   23. Pleasant Nate (Upgraded from 'Nate') Posted: October 26, 2004 at 04:02 PM (#937671)
The lottery is only for pre-season sales. Day of game sales are still a "wait in line" event.
   24. Vance Law Revue Posted: October 26, 2004 at 05:21 PM (#937739)
Day of game sales are still a "wait in line" event.

Gotcha. I didn't realize they were still doing day of game. I know the standing room tickets I was able to get day of game in April were being sold ahead of time by September. I assume the day of game selection is now limited to the obstructed view seats then?
   25. tfbg9 Posted: October 26, 2004 at 05:29 PM (#937754)
VLR-it's gameday(barring a rainout)and thus time for you to rear your ugly head and do what you do best...lemmee have it, jerky!
   26. Vance Law Revue Posted: October 26, 2004 at 05:52 PM (#937800)
tfbg9,
you're a tool. all sorts of things that you do are pathetic. Using a handle that I can't figure out is particularly pathetic.
   27. Toby Posted: October 26, 2004 at 05:57 PM (#937812)
Are we all on board with the Ortiz-at-1b plan? Just checking.
   28. Vance Law Revue Posted: October 26, 2004 at 06:02 PM (#937820)
Absolutely, Toby.

Millar > Ortiz > Mo Vaughn on crutches. The magnitudes of differences involved are small, however.
   29. Schilling's Sprained Ankiel Posted: October 26, 2004 at 06:06 PM (#937829)
Toby - I'm not sure we have a choice. We just have to accept it with a very large *GULP*.

AG - I don't agree about the rain out. I think it helps the cards a bit more, but it does help the Sox more than you think. I think the ETF trio would benefit from 2 nights of not pitching, as would Arroyo. With Schil's ankle unlikely to hold up to another procedure, Arroyo's probably going to have to start. Also, Pedro does well with full+ rest. Maybe a rainout would give Papi more opportunity to get his head around 1st base (are there indoor drills he can do?)
Bottom line is - a rain out doesn't change the Cards pitchers from Matt Morris into, uh, somebody good.
On the other hand - whiling away the hours in a foreign city must suck and add to the stress of playoff pressures.

On another note, how good is Suppan really? Does he benefit from Busch Stadium, and how?
DB
   30. OlePerfesser Posted: October 26, 2004 at 06:21 PM (#937865)
Weather report from Joe Sheehan's column:

Tonight's Game Three has a very good chance of being tomorrow's Game Three, as rain is forecast for the St. Louis area throughout the evening up to about 9 p.m. Central.

There's no chance of this happening, but if they start the game while it's still raining (or a delay's still possible), I'd start Timlin. Let him go through the order once, or pitch until he's due up, and then bring in Pedro IFF it looks like the rain threat is over. You know Timlin's likely to pitch 1 or 2 innings tonight anyway, so why not make it the innings when the threat of rain/delays is greatest?
   31. Pleasant Nate (Upgraded from 'Nate') Posted: October 26, 2004 at 06:29 PM (#937882)
"Gotcha. I didn't realize they were still doing day of game. I know the standing room tickets I was able to get day of game in April were being sold ahead of time by September. I assume the day of game selection is now limited to the obstructed view seats then."

Nope. I've gotten bleacher and even grandstand day of game. I think they release like 300 or so seats, maybe more. For the WS I'd expect that number to be less.
   32. Darren Posted: October 26, 2004 at 06:38 PM (#937904)
I'm on board with Ortiz, but only until it backfires, at which point I will use it as a way to put down Tito.

OleP, your plan has merit, whether it rains or not. It might work better with Arroyo, though, for a couple reasons. 1st, he's got a bit more stamina than Timlin. 2nd, you could sort of hid your plans from the opposing manager (a teensy little bit). The only problem would be the temptation to leave him in if he's pitching well.
But your plan would allow us to essentially skip a pitcher's turn at bat.

Another possibility is to start the game with Mkzlplk at 1B and Timlin at pitcher. If either of them come to bat with runners on, PH Ortiz.
   33. Miko Supports Shane's Spam Habit Posted: October 26, 2004 at 06:45 PM (#937923)
Mo Vaughn on crutches

I remember Mo as not only being slow, but having bad hands, too. He's one of those guys who'd not only miss a shorthop, but could miss the throw right to his glove.
   34. GGC Posted: October 26, 2004 at 06:45 PM (#937924)
Have Youkilis lead off and listed as the pitcher. Then pitch Arroyo. Or did Earl Weaver ruin that one for everybody?
   35. Answer Guy, without side hustles. Posted: October 26, 2004 at 06:51 PM (#937943)
Not that you can do anything about the weather, but I think a rainout would be very bad for the Sox.

This series is all about whose pitching staff cracks under the pressure and fatigue. As long as the Sox bullpen is rested, I'd take the Sox, even sans Schilling. When you compress the games, the shallower Boston pitching staff has a better chance of running out of gas, and the Sox' general edge in pitcher quality is sanded down considerably.

It worked to the Sox' favor in the ALCS, but I think the shoe is on the other foot now. Plus, the parallel is kinda eerie.
   36. tfbg9 Posted: October 26, 2004 at 07:00 PM (#937962)
VLR, a semi-motivated chimp could decipher my handle,but you can't. What a dumbas*!(thanks)
   37. Pleasant Nate (Upgraded from 'Nate') Posted: October 26, 2004 at 07:34 PM (#938038)
GGC,

Does taking away one pitcher at-bat outweigh having the pitcher closer to Manny/Ortiz for his (presumably) two at-bats and the 8/9 chance that the leadoff hitter would get an extra at-bat than the 9 hole hitter? Maybe if you had Hampton or Backe pitching since they can actually hit, but with Pedro or Lowe?
   38. GGC Posted: October 26, 2004 at 07:40 PM (#938053)
Nate, I was thinking of having the pitcher spot leadoff, then everyone else moves down a notch. Sample lineup:

Youkilis P
Damon CF
Bellhorn 2B
Ramirez LF
Ortiz 1B
Varitek C
Nixon RF
Mueller 3B
Cabrera 2B

I was merely thinking aloud, realize this isn't going to happen, is probably illegal, and it might not be a good idea.
   39. Schilling's Sprained Ankiel Posted: October 26, 2004 at 09:43 PM (#938321)
I know nothing about NL rules. Why would it be illegal to do this?
DB
   40. Pleasant Nate (Upgraded from 'Nate') Posted: October 27, 2004 at 04:04 AM (#939207)
I'd love to, kevin.

Took a hiatus during the season (2 jobs +) but glad to be back and see the familiar names.
   41. Urban Faber Posted: October 27, 2004 at 06:09 AM (#939309)
I know nothing about NL rules. Why would it be illegal to do this?

NL rules?

Anyway, in this case Youkilis would be required to pitch to one batter. Then you could take him out.

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