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1. John DiFool2 Posted: September 05, 2007 at 02:34 AM (#2512286)Yeah Tito looks bad if he walks a couple of guys, gives up a bloop, throws 30 pitches, and Timlin has to come in and try to salvage the inning.
Tito (or someone) looks bad regardless. This team has very carefully protected Papelbon from this type of workload all year. Why abandon that now? What's the upside?
The only explanation I can think of is that they want to see how he'll respond in case he's needed for such a situation in the postseason. But I think there's a far better chance that they would need him for multiple innings in the postseason, so some 2-3 IP appearances would make a ton more sense.
It's pretty hard to find a lot of cases where he's even been used two days in a row--it's only happened 5 times before the last 3 days.
Last year, when he popped the shoulder, he did it on his 53rd or 54th pitch over three days, on the tail end of his biggest workload month of the season: 60 batters faced over 15+ innings in August. This year he only faced 35 batters in August over 9+ innings.
They've really done an excellent job balancing his work by month to keep him healthy and effective. And he was throwing 96 on the NESN gun against his final batter tonight.
What would look bad is if they used him again tomorrow, or only gave him one day off and then used him back-to-back days again.
I can follow this line of thinking, but it's not the one that the Red Sox have followed all year. What changed in the past few days that made them now want to test his limits?
The team is 7 up with very few 28 or so games left, he needs to find something knew to whine about. I'm sure next it will be why wasn't Jacoby up earlier. Or how Clay is being used wrong. Or how Papi should have been DL'd. Or whatever. The season, has been a remarkable success in every conceivable. EVERY CONCIEVABLE WAY. But we are in the first week of September, but Darren needs to post what he needs to post. Read it, ignore it and enjoy the good times.
I believe I just explained that they did not test his limits. Which you even quoted. And it doesn't appear that they have any intention of testing his limits. Working three days in a row, in and of itself, is not a limit. Working three high-stress days in a row would be, but there's no evidence they're going to try something that ridiculous "just to see if he could."
23 games to be exact.
ya know, i might sign up for those. i think it's been obvious for a while he was better than lester, and if he had been up the whole time, he may have had a stranglehold ont he #3 spot by now. wasn't it you that said the last month should be a tryout of sorts for clay?
and ellsbury is a stud. he needs to play--and crisp has reverted to april/may form.
Hey, are you off your meds? Why are you flailing at casper? Hey, you're a negative idiot. How dare you question the Red Sox management!
FWIW, I just looked back and something like 10 of the last 12 Sox Therapy threads have been positive in subject matter. But the uproar in response to anything remotely negative is always exciting.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3004847
Ah crap, that didn't work either.
Ah crap, that didn't work either.
i think you got it backwards.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3004847
not a fan. he has a long track record of being shaky at the start and getting stronger as the game progresses. i kinda doubt he's going to give us much out of the pen.
Oh, and your mom's not a fan. she has a long track record of being shaky at the start and getting stronger as the game progresses. your mom kinda doubts he's going to give us much out of the pen!
no. you throw the ####### innings limit out the window.
let's not and say we did.
Maybe you could give me some pointers based on your work over the Baseball Quote Blog. For example, how do you manage to write such interesting posts so often? Doesn't it get difficult to come up with new material for that paragraph you put together each year?
Zing!
But you don't give him enough credit. He has had TWO entries in the past year, both of MULTIPLE paragraphs, and ONE even introducing a brand new ######## stat!
This is different from the Red Sox usage of Papelbon, how?
Bastards.
Outside of thinking of me - which should be their primary concern - they're really going to move a kid who could be their top two starter to the pen so he's not ready for the playoffs? This bodes poorly, in my objective (as a mets fan) opinion.
Now, if they were stuck with the YANKEES or TIGERS rotation... :)
I've already written Jacoby in the playoff roster. If we make the playoffs.
Beckett joked last night that with the new, drawn-out playoff schedule that will have the World Series played "sometime in January," a team could probably get through with only two starters.
No keys. Oh by the way, your movie ####### blew. It lived up to the title, super bad.
You're right. Epstein pretty much confirmed this in the NESN pregame interview.
Sorry, I'm in Canada this week and the CBC had a Strange Brew 24th anniversary documentary last night. 24th! A documentary!
Also, if the most beautiful woman you've ever seen was working bar at an establishment you were visiting, but she could barely speak english and you could barely speak french, how would you go about banging her?
Maybe they babied him all year so he'd be healthy and fresh in the playoffs. But I doubt they babied him all year so that he could be healthy and fresh now. Because right now, all of their other actions indicate that they consider the games they are playing fairly meaningless. To wit, Brian Corey was brought in with a 1-run lead tonight. Dustin Pedroia was sat down in the middle of a torrid hot streak. These are not the actions of a team that considers the games crucial in any way.
Tito explicitly said that it had nothing to do with Paps asking to pitch that night. On the latter point, as I stated above, I think it's far more likely that he goes for longer outings in the playoffs than going 3 days in a row. The former could be useful in any game, the latter is only useful if the three middle games of a series are close.
I agree though, that they may be trying it out in order to prepare for the playoffs. I'm just not entirely convinced that it's necessary.
91 probably gets them into the playoffs
You meant 95
But it IS mostly that. If he had flamed out, they would have said "oh well, back to the minors with you". If you don't take chances, you can never be surprised. I've always felt that teams were too cautious with their young players. The Yankees are handling Chamberlain perfectly. He's learning how to pitch to major league hitters, but only in short, very regulated stints so as to protect his arm and his ego (because no one gets to see him twice in a game). It takes confidence to do that and this is something that Cashman does not lack.
I think I've established pretty well around here that I don't blame the manager for much of anything. This loss is on Tito. WTF is Ellsbury doing against a lefty with the game on the line and Kielty and Coco on the bench?
2 point ####### 5. ####### fuck this. I'm too ####### busy right now for this ####### ####.
If Gagne ever pitches another meaningful inning with the Sox this season...
For those of us on the sidelines who missed the wager, can someone recap it for us?
Go to the end of tonight's Sox Game Chatter, and you'll see.
Not by me. I don't give a crap if the Mets collapse. They never had a 14.5 game lead. They didn't constantly choose to use inferior players while a $200 mil. juggernaut lapped at their heels.
Wonderfully managed. Good stuff.
"Rules? In a knife fight?"
I'd like to take my foot and put it up his wonderfully managed ass.
Number of time Pap pitched 3 straight days this postseason: 0.
Number of times he pitched more than 1 IP: 6.
In fact, he only pitched 2 days in a row once.
Number of time Pap pitched 3 straight days this postseason: 0.
Number of times he pitched more than 1 IP: 6
Because there were all those offdays built-in, plus a couple of offensive blowouts helped. Papelbon was taxed for 1 game in the ALDS, 2 in the ALCS, and 3 in the WS.
The WC tea had 94 wins. So yes, we needed 95.
HA
New York would have taken the East.
Maybe "HA" means "just kidding"?
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