Baseball for the Thinking Fan

Login | Register | Feedback

btf_logo
You are here > Home > Sox Therapy > Discussion
Sox Therapy
— Where Thinking Red Sox Fans Obsess about the Sox

Reader Comments and Retorts

Go to end of page

Statements posted here are those of our readers and do not represent the BaseballThinkFactory. Names are provided by the poster and are not verified. We ask that posters follow our submission policy. Please report any inappropriate comments.

   1. Toby Posted: December 06, 2016 at 06:18 PM (#5363835)
All that and you left off EdRod.

Moncada for Sale reminds me a bit of Hanley for Beckett.
   2. Jose is El Absurd Bronson Y Pollo Posted: December 06, 2016 at 06:50 PM (#5363861)
#### me!

Goddammit!

So yeah, EdRod is in the rotation. #### all. That seems bad for Heath Hembree or Robbie Ross. I'd assume if everyone is healthy one of those guys is the odd man out for Buchholz or Wright to move to the bullpen,
   3. jacksone (AKA It's OK...) Posted: December 06, 2016 at 07:00 PM (#5363867)
You also forgot Mitch Moreland unfortunately. So Swihart def starts the year in AAA. And the Sox go from a HOF quality hitter at DH to....####.
   4. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: December 06, 2016 at 07:23 PM (#5363872)
And the Sox go from a HOF quality hitter at DH to....####.


Not really as I think Hanley will DH at least half the time, Moreland is definitely better with the leather. Unfortunately production drops at the dish from your 1B as moreland stinks with the wood.
   5. jacksone (AKA It's OK...) Posted: December 06, 2016 at 07:34 PM (#5363877)
Not really as I think Hanley will DH at least half the time, Moreland is definitely better with the leather. Unfortunately production drops at the dish from your 1B as moreland stinks with the wood.


You still go from Ortiz to Moreland regardless of whether Moreland or Ramirez is at DH or 1B.

I am firmly in the camp that Ramirez will hit better if he plays 1B. I just dont think he is mentally suited to DH.
   6. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: December 06, 2016 at 08:51 PM (#5363903)
You still go from Ortiz to Moreland regardless of whether Moreland or Ramirez is at DH or 1B.


yeah I know, I was being a little snarky, sorry.

I am firmly in the camp that Ramirez will hit better if he plays 1B. I just dont think he is mentally suited to DH.


Well I know Jose would agree with you as he seems to play better when engaged the whole time(not Jose, Hanley). I think he'll DH against righties only. There is no way they will ever let Moreland "hit" against a lefty. I suppose Young is the DH against lefties with Hanley going back to 1B.
   7. Jose is El Absurd Bronson Y Pollo Posted: December 06, 2016 at 09:23 PM (#5363913)
I didn't forget Moreland, I posted before the deal! I'm only mostly stupid not completely!

Hugh is right, I think Hanley is better being engaged and playing regularly at first base. I'm not any kind of fan of Moreland being a regular on this team. I realize you can't have all stars everywhere but Moreland just feels like a real punt on the spot.
   8. jacksone (AKA It's OK...) Posted: December 06, 2016 at 09:52 PM (#5363921)
Moreland just feels like a real punt on the spot.


Yep.

Any chance the Sox go for Justin Turner and turn 1B/DH into Sandoval and Ramirez and use Moreland as a defensive replacement/bat of the bench?
   9. Bad Fish Posted: December 06, 2016 at 10:12 PM (#5363931)
As Villageidiom noted in the other thread, they have a 25 man problem. Some of those will likely be DFA'ed, but there are also nice parts I would hate to just give away. I think they have several pieces that they can probably trade for some value, preferably prospects. As much as I hate to think it, I bet Wright is on the trading block. I think they can get something of value for Elias. Bucholz and Pomeranz are somewhat interchangeable, with Pom being cheaper, younger, with more upside and under control for longer. I think Buch is gone. Three starters in a dry year for starters, bet two of them are gone by ST.
   10. Jose is El Absurd Bronson Y Pollo Posted: December 06, 2016 at 10:27 PM (#5363935)
I don't think there's that much of a 25 man problem. Its why I wanted to do this, it looks like we at worst would lose one of Ross or Hembree. I'd rather not just give those guys up but I'm also not going to lose sleep over either guy.
   11. villageidiom Posted: December 07, 2016 at 09:28 AM (#5364037)
Likewise Noe Ramirez and Brandon Workman will probably have to cool their heels in Pawtucket.
soxprospects has Workman's contract status as having options but needing his permission to send him down. I've been looking into why that is, and I'm not sure I have it, but here's the rationale. IIRC, the uniform player contract for both MLB and MiLB reserves a minor-league player for at most 7 seasons, after which he can elect to become a free agent.

Workman signed in 2010, so 2016 would have been his 7th season under contract. It could be that any player signed 2010 or earlier could refuse assignment to the minors, even if they technically have options.

To test that as being the trigger, I looked at the 40-man roster (including FA) to see who has options AND first signed in 2010 or earlier:

Pedroia
Buchholz
Tazawa
Holt
Workman
Bogaerts
Kelly
Rodriguez ***
Ross
Kimbrel
Young
Price
Ziegler
Thornburg ***
Sale

All of the above players are listed by soxprospects.com as needing permission to be optioned to the minors, except for the two I've highlighted. Of the players I didn't list above who have options (e.g. JBJ), none are listed as needing permission.

Also, per BA, several Boston minor-leaguers who signed 2010 or earlier have become free agents: Dan Butler, Sean O'Sullivan, William Cuevas, Chris Marrero, Josh Rutledge, and others.

It appears that Workman can't be sent down without permission.
   12. Jose is El Absurd Bronson Y Pollo Posted: December 07, 2016 at 09:37 AM (#5364045)
Thanks, I missed that part about Workman. I'm not too terribly worried about that though. I wouldn't be surprised if he gave that permission if he expects to get chances as the year goes on. If the Sox lose him, well I'd be disappointed because I think he can be very good but I don't think he's that big a concern.

More practically in the shade of winter with no one dealing with any injuries there is a log jam. I expect that to clear out a bit as we get closer to April 3. If the "problem" is that the Sox have all their pitchers healthy come April 3, that's a good problem.
   13. Nasty Nate Posted: December 07, 2016 at 10:09 AM (#5364082)
As Villageidiom noted in the other thread, they have a 25 man problem. Some of those will likely be DFA'ed, but there are also nice parts I would hate to just give away. I think they have several pieces that they can probably trade for some value, preferably prospects. As much as I hate to think it, I bet Wright is on the trading block. I think they can get something of value for Elias. Bucholz and Pomeranz are somewhat interchangeable, with Pom being cheaper, younger, with more upside and under control for longer. I think Buch is gone. Three starters in a dry year for starters, bet two of them are gone by ST.
I agree with most of this. Given how may prospects they have traded away, in might make sense to offer to pay all of Clay's salary in a trade and try to get a halfway-interesting prospect from a contending team.
   14. jacksone (AKA It's OK...) Posted: December 07, 2016 at 10:38 AM (#5364121)
Josh Rutledge


Bummer, thought they had him under control for one more year. I guess there is only room for one Brock Holt on the team.
   15. Norcan Posted: December 07, 2016 at 10:46 AM (#5364131)
Who could they get for Elias? I think he could be an effective major league pitcher but he was up and down at Triple-A last season. He has good stuff but his control can be erratic. I don't know why a team would give up someone valuable for Elias.

I don't see Buchholz having much value either because the only predictable thing about him the past three seasons is he'll yo-yo between terrible and good while not throwing a whole lot of innings for a starter. Add on that he'll be a free agent and it's hard to believe a team would give up a halfway interesting prospect for him.

I wonder how the last rotation spot is going to break down. I consider Eduardo almost a lock for the fourth spot after Sale, Porcello and Price because of his upside. By the end of the season, his stuff was fully back and he pitched really well after tweaking to delivery to avoid tipping his pitches. It seems almost absurd to have Pomeranz be a reliever after trading away Espinoza but I guess it's sunk cost by now and if that's his best role, so be it. Who knows how Wright is going to look but I can't see him being a bullpen option. I can understand picking up Buchholz's option when he they did it but after adding Sale and Thornburg, it feels like a regretful move.

Speaking of Espinoza, he got sterling reviews in the instructional league. What I liked most is that he's made his curveball into a harder pitch. I think he fell in love with the notion of coming at hitters with mid to high 90s heat and then breaking off a low 70s to mid 70s curve. The only problem was his curveball was loopy and soft, not a swing and miss offering in the zone and not a chase pitch when in the dirt. He was throwing his curveball in the 79 mph range in instructional league and getting plus-plus ratings on it. Sigh. On paper, he's so tantalizing: athletic, smooth, strong (now 202 pounds and looks like it), effortless high 90s heat, the improved curve, a very promising change, very projectable command. Only thing he lacks is height and the plane that can come with it. Of course he's not a guarantee but it still hurts to lose him, although maybe he wouldn't have developed well had he stayed with the Red Sox.
   16. villageidiom Posted: December 07, 2016 at 11:36 AM (#5364186)
Bummer, thought they had him under control for one more year. I guess there is only room for one Brock Holt on the team.
Rutledge has already been signed by the Rockies, FWIW.

   17. Textbook Editor Posted: December 07, 2016 at 02:52 PM (#5364389)
I don't see Buchholz having much value either because the only predictable thing about him the past three seasons is he'll yo-yo between terrible and good while not throwing a whole lot of innings for a starter. Add on that he'll be a free agent and it's hard to believe a team would give up a halfway interesting prospect for him.


By himself, Buchholz won't get you much--that is certainly true. But given that you can literally not care what happens to him after about 11/2/17 or so, I say you turn him into a 2 IP, 2x a week RP who can give you 100 quality innings for the season out of the bullpen. He gives you length on days a guy like Wright or EdRod doesn't have it, and bridges you to the rest of the bullpen. Should you make the playoffs, he's then accustomed to multi-inning work and you can hopefully squeeze another 20 IP out of him over the course of the playoffs.

We could argue, I guess, if having a 4 IP/week bullpen guy is worth having on the roster, but the $ is sunk now and I think you have to see first if Pomeranz can hack it as a starter (as you have control over him past this year).

Wright, I think, may well start the season over EdRod because of the options thing... If Pomeranz can't hack starting, you bring EdRod up to take his slot and move him to the bullpen to be the LHP version of what you're trying to do with Buchholz.

I mean, I suppose if any one of the 3 is absolutely lights-out in ST and you want to wish on a hot streak roll to start the season, you can get a little more creative with allocations... But I have a hard time believing they'll release/trade Wright (though were I a team on the cusp of contending who had awful 4/5 starters, I'd be calling Dombrowski today about him), and I find it hard to believe they'd have Wright as a bullpen arm... although that would be a very unusual move that, who knows, maybe there's data somewhere that indicates if you go power-knuckballer-power in mid-game you can really throw off the other team's bats...
   18. Nasty Nate Posted: December 07, 2016 at 03:03 PM (#5364398)
I don't see Buchholz having much value either because the only predictable thing about him the past three seasons is he'll yo-yo between terrible and good while not throwing a whole lot of innings for a starter. Add on that he'll be a free agent and it's hard to believe a team would give up a halfway interesting prospect for him.
Most of your description of Clay could also apply to Charlie Morton and Andrew Cashner, and they both got significantly more than the minimum in guaranteed money. I have to believe that if the Sox pay his whole salary, he would have some trade value.

Disclaimer: as an irrational fan, I just don't want him on the team anymore. Sale/Price/Porcello/Pomeranz/Rodriguez/Wright is fine for me as a starting five plus one.
   19. karlmagnus Posted: December 07, 2016 at 03:19 PM (#5364410)
There is probably a 10% chance that Buchholz is the best pitcher on the staff in 2017. After all, next winter is his one chance for a really big payday and he has the natural talent. Pomeranz and Wright could then go to the bullpen in that scenario, with both being available for next year when Buchholz is gone (even though I'm fonder of him than most of you guys, I would NOT favor paying free-agent money for him, however good his 2017.)
   20. Norcan Posted: December 07, 2016 at 03:28 PM (#5364425)
Most of your description of Clay could also apply to Charlie Morton and Andrew Cashner, and they both got significantly more than the minimum in guaranteed money. I have to believe that if the Sox pay his whole salary, he would have some trade value.


You know, if you put it this way, he probably does have enough trade value to get a halfway decent prospect. Just getting him off the books entirely to create more breathing room from the luxury tax could be even more valuable. I wouldn't mind the Red Sox getting a non-prospect if another team would be willing to pay most of his salary. This could be the difference between the Red Sox being able to make a move during the season or not.
   21. Norcan Posted: December 07, 2016 at 03:34 PM (#5364431)
There is probably a 10% chance that Buchholz is the best pitcher on the staff in 2017.


After he made the adjustment to raise his arm slot back to where it was a few seasons ago, his stuff did look crisper and I thought his improved results were legitimate. That said, I put the chances of him being the best pitcher on the staff at 1% and that's only if Sale, Price and Porcello all completely falter.
   22. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: December 07, 2016 at 03:34 PM (#5364432)
Rutledge has already been signed by the Rockies, FWIW.


Most people never noticed he left the Rockies in the first place.
   23. Jose is El Absurd Bronson Y Pollo Posted: December 08, 2016 at 09:18 AM (#5364788)
Rutledge has already been signed by the Rockies, FWIW.


Most people never noticed he left the Rockies in the first place.

Rutledge has now been drafted by the Red Sox in the Rule 5 draft.
   24. villageidiom Posted: December 08, 2016 at 09:42 AM (#5364807)
There is probably a 10% 90% chance that Buchholz is the best worst pitcher on the staff in 2017. After all, next winter is his one chance for a really big payday and he has the natural talent he is likely to try to hide his inevitable injury in a desperate attempt to avoid the DL, and end up sucking the whole time he's out there.

Amended.

I'd love for Buchholz to be the best pitcher on the staff, and at his best he has the stuff to... well, to be in the discussion at least. But he's a high risk. He could be great; he could suck; he could be on the DL. Any of these are theoretical possibilities for any pitcher, but with Buchholz the probability of the latter two is far higher than I'm comfortable with. If they didn't have Sale and Price and the reigning Cy Young winner, I might say he's worth the risk. But given those three, I'd rather see someone who can reliably give 6 IP and 4 ER every 5th day than the Clay Enigma.
   25. Dan Posted: December 08, 2016 at 10:29 AM (#5364859)
I don't think I've seen anyone mention this, but is it possible they were comfortable moving Moncada because Swihart might move to 3B?
   26. Jose is El Absurd Bronson Y Pollo Posted: December 08, 2016 at 11:03 AM (#5364893)
I don't think I've seen anyone mention this, but is it possible they were comfortable moving Moncada because Swihart might move to 3B?


I hope so. If they aren't going to have Swihart catch third base always strikes me as a good spot for a catcher who can hit. Quick feet, quick hands and a strong arm.
   27. Nasty Nate Posted: December 08, 2016 at 11:16 AM (#5364903)
Those talkative "sources" say Clay more likely to be traded than Pomeranz: Story
   28. jacksone (AKA It's OK...) Posted: December 08, 2016 at 12:27 PM (#5364979)
Rutledge has now been drafted by the Red Sox in the Rule 5 draft.


that is funny.
   29. Eddie Hart Posted: December 08, 2016 at 12:54 PM (#5365009)
I'd love for Buchholz to be the best pitcher on the staff, and at his best he has the stuff to... well, to be in the discussion at least.


I think his biggest problem is that he's an airhead. And you can't fix stupid.
   30. villageidiom Posted: December 08, 2016 at 01:26 PM (#5365038)
Rutledge has now been drafted by the Red Sox in the Rule 5 draft.
I just picture Rutledge letting out a Cartman-style GODDAMMIT! tirade right about now.

I mean, I'm sure he got along fine in Boston, and wouldn't mind returning. But I just prefer to picture him finally being able to sign with any team he wanted... and then being forced right back where he had just left... and completely losing it. Imaginary Cartoon Rutledge is funny.
   31. villageidiom Posted: December 08, 2016 at 02:35 PM (#5365109)
Dombrowski on prospects:
Dombrowski felt comfortable trading prospects because the core of his big-league club is so young, with 20-somethings Mookie Betts, Xander Bogaerts, Jackie Bradley, and Andrew Benintendi.

“We have a young major league club all in all,” he said. “We do have a little bit more than you’d think player-wise, because right off the bat I can say, well who’s close to playing in the big leagues? You could say well, [Rafael] Devers is pretty close. [Sam] Travis is close. [Blake] Swihart is close. Marco Hernandez is close. So you start to say, hey, there are four guys who are pretty good right there. You don’t really need to replenish many players that would be leaving in the near future with the big league club. We haven’t given up our draft choices for the last couple of years, so that group of players from last year will go out there and get another full year under their development and we like a lot of those guys, too.”

Basically, earlier in the article he's saying they don't really have the need to trade more prospects because their roster is stacked and it's never a good idea to keep trading away all your prospects. And in the above snippet he's saying even if they have future gaps on the MLB roster they have a great pipeline and a great scouting and development team, so they can fill from within.

But I want to point out the bolded (by me) part. It seems Dombrowski considers Travis, Swihart, and Hernandez as being close to MLB level. And Rafael Devers, who I assume will get his first taste of AA in 2017. So it might be that Dombrowski is conflating "close" with "destined", but still... Good to see. It makes me feel like he sees these four players contributing directly to the Red Sox in the near future, as opposed to contributing indirectly as trade fodder. Or maybe I'm just reading into it what I want.
   32. Jose is El Absurd Bronson Y Pollo Posted: December 08, 2016 at 02:39 PM (#5365117)
But I want to point out the bolded (by me) part. It seems Dombrowski considers Travis, Swihart, and Hernandez as being close to MLB level. And Rafael Devers, who I assume will get his first taste of AA in 2017. So it might be that Dombrowski is conflating "close" with "destined", but still... Good to see. It makes me feel like he sees these four players contributing directly to the Red Sox in the near future, as opposed to contributing indirectly as trade fodder. Or maybe I'm just reading into it what I want.


One thing I wanted to look into is how many trades DD has made of prospects that ended up with him giving away a star. One of the things the late 90s Yankees did well is pick the right guys to give away. They traded guys like Ricky Ledee and D'Angelo Jimenez for real live assets but managed to hang onto Mariano, Soriano, etc...

Just by way of example he made the huge Cabrera deal but Miller and Maybin never really panned out. Miller obviously found second life but that seven years and a couple of organizations later.
   33. Jose is El Absurd Bronson Y Pollo Posted: December 08, 2016 at 03:05 PM (#5365141)
OK, not everything but this is some of the relevant trades since 2006 with the Tigers. He didn't give up a ton of value in the young players.

Traded Anthony Claggett, Humberto Sanchez and Kevin Whelan to the New York Yankees. Received Gary Sheffield.

Traded Gorkys Hernandez and Jair Jurrjens to the Atlanta Braves. Received Edgar Renteria.

Traded Omar Infante to the Chicago Cubs. Received Jacque Jones.

Traded Dallas Trahern (minors), Burke Badenhop, Frankie De La Cruz, Cameron Maybin, Andrew Miller and Mike Rabelo to the Florida Marlins. Received Miguel Cabrera and Dontrelle Willis.

Traded Matthew Joyce to the Tampa Bay Rays. Received Edwin Jackson.

Traded Luke French and Mauricio Robles to the Seattle Mariners. Received Jarrod Washburn.

Traded Brett Jacobson (minors) to the Baltimore Orioles. Received Aubrey Huff.

As part of a 3-team trade, traded Curtis Granderson to the New York Yankees and Edwin Jackson to the Arizona Diamondbacks. Received Phil Coke and Austin Jackson from the New York Yankees and Max Scherzer and Daniel Schlereth from the Arizona Diamondbacks. In addition, the New York Yankees sent Ian Kennedy to the Arizona Diamondbacks.

Traded Giovanni Soto to the Cleveland Indians. Received Jhonny Peralta and cash.

Traded Scott Sizemore to the Oakland Athletics. Received David Purcey.

Traded a player to be named later, Francisco Martinez (minors), Charlie Furbush and Casper Wells to the Seattle Mariners. Received Doug Fister and David Pauley. The Detroit Tigers sent Chance Ruffin (August 17, 2011) to the Seattle Mariners to complete the trade.

Traded a player to be named later and Cole Nelson (minors) to the Minnesota Twins. Received Delmon Young. The Detroit Tigers sent Lester Oliveros (August 16, 2011) to the Minnesota Twins to complete the trade.

Traded Rob Brantly, Brian Flynn and Jacob Turner to the Miami Marlins. Received Omar Infante and Anibal Sanchez.

Traded a player to be named later and Danry Vasquez (minors) to the Houston Astros. Received Jose Veras. The Detroit Tigers sent David Paulino (minors) (September 13, 2013) to the Houston Astros to complete the trade.

As part of a 3-team trade, traded Avisail Garcia to the Chicago White Sox and Brayan Villarreal to the Boston Red Sox. Received Jose Iglesias from the Boston Red Sox. In addition, the Chicago White Sox sent Jake Peavy to the Boston Red Sox; and the Boston Red Sox sent Cleuluis Rondon (minors), Jeffrey Wendelken (minors) and Frankie Montas to the Chicago White Sox.

Traded Jake Thompson (minors) and Corey Knebel to the Texas Rangers. Received Joakim Soria.

As part of a 3-team trade, traded Austin Jackson to the Seattle Mariners and Willy Adames (minors) and Drew Smyly to the Tampa Bay Rays. Received David Price from the Tampa Bay Rays. In addition, the Seattle Mariners sent Nick Franklin to the Tampa Bay Rays.

Traded Devon Travis to the Toronto Blue Jays. Received Anthony Gose.

As part of a 3-team trade, traded Domingo Leyba (minors) and Robbie Ray to the Arizona Diamondbacks. Received Shane Greene from the New York Yankees. In addition, the Arizona Diamondbacks sent Didi Gregorius to the New York Yankees.
   34. Textbook Editor Posted: December 08, 2016 at 03:20 PM (#5365156)
Has Swihart ever played 3B at any level? I honestly don't know...

It's good to see that he thinks Swihart is close--it (hopefully) means they won't be trading him.

Although I didn't see this mentioned anywhere while it was happening, to me the Swihart-to-LF thing may--MAY--have been a "hmmm... I wonder if we can turn him into a better C version of Kyle Schwarber?"

One thing that has gone somewhat under the radar (I think... I'm sure you all will point me to dozens of articles on this that I've missed) is a more flexible approach to roster construction, so as to maximize the # of bullpen arms you can have available at any one time.

If you can get away with a 13-man bench because of guys being able to play multiple positions, it allows you a bit more flexibility with the P staff--not to have a 3rd LOOGY, but instead to have guys like a Wright or (maybe) a Buchholz who can almost shadow-start a guy like EdRod, who you may want to limit his innings/times through the order on a consistent basis.

But a normal 12- or 13-man P staff isn't possible unless the 3-4 guys you have on the bench can be plugged in all over the field. I'm not saying this is the reason why they chose Moreland over EE (because that would be insane), but I'm sure his ability to play the OF (especially perhaps LF at home) factored into the decision.

If you could turn Swihart into a 60 C/30 LF/10 3B guy without affecting his hitting... that would be a hell of a valuable guy. It would not at all surprise me to see this be the DH/bench:


IF/OF/DH – Holt
OF/DH – Young
1B/DH/OF – Moreland
C – Vazquez
C/LF/DH/3B? - Swihart

That offers a lot of flexibility, and allows you to keep only 13 hitters on the roster.

I'm also unconvinced Leon's pixie dust will still be working in 2017. If he was sent down during 2017 for Swihart (assuming the latter did not make it out of ST), this would not surprise me.
   35. Jose is El Absurd Bronson Y Pollo Posted: December 08, 2016 at 03:34 PM (#5365163)
If he was sent down during 2017 for Swihart (assuming the latter did not make it out of ST), this would not surprise me.


Yeah, I'd bet on this happening. Swihart has options and Vazquez doesn't so barring something newsworthy Swihart is going to start the year in Pawtucket but I'd bet he's in Boston by mid-June at the latest.
   36. Eddie Hart Posted: December 08, 2016 at 03:36 PM (#5365166)
I was about to say that Marco Hernandez isn't really the type of prospect to get excited about but then I went and looked at his MLE's and, son of a gun, he projects pretty nicely.
   37. Textbook Editor Posted: December 08, 2016 at 03:51 PM (#5365177)
#36--I confess that surprised me too when I looked.
   38. Nasty Nate Posted: December 19, 2016 at 10:15 AM (#5370621)
Sox' ZIPS projections are out.
   39. Jose is El Absurd Bronson Y Pollo Posted: December 20, 2016 at 11:28 AM (#5371362)
Buchholz traded for Josh Tobias. Unless Tobias is a lot better than he appears this is exactly the kind of giveaway trade I didn't want to make.
   40. Nasty Nate Posted: December 20, 2016 at 11:35 AM (#5371370)
I like it, but I fully admit some of that is my irrational fan side talking.
   41. Jose is El Absurd Bronson Y Pollo Posted: December 20, 2016 at 11:40 AM (#5371374)
I don't think this really deserves its own post but Buchholz did alright for himself. Only Mookie Wilson and Dennis Leonard have more WAR for a player picked #42 overall. He was infuriating but the overall was pretty good. 81 wins is sixth among pitchers drafted/signed by the Red Sox in the divisional era;

Clemens - 192
Stanley - 115
Lester - 110
Lee - 94
Hurst - 88

For me I'll always remember Game Four in St. Louis. It wasn't pretty and only four innings but it was the only time I've thought "damn, Clay really gutted it out." I don't mean that to be the backhanded praise that it sounds like. That was a ballsy performance, full stop.
   42. Jose is El Absurd Bronson Y Pollo Posted: December 27, 2016 at 09:35 AM (#5374356)
The Twitterz are saying that Trevor Plouffe is on the Sox' radar. Without knowing the cost which would change things a lot potentially I like this idea. Plouffe seems like a guy who would be willing to come off the bench but he's good enough that if Sandoval flames out that he could be a regular.
   43. villageidiom Posted: December 28, 2016 at 05:19 PM (#5374817)
Reported today that Rodriguez tweaked his knee. He's playing winter ball, to prep for WBC, which will be effectively an early start on spring training for him. I can't imagine anything will go wrong, given he has been the model of knee health to this point.
   44. jacksone (AKA It's OK...) Posted: December 29, 2016 at 10:08 AM (#5374979)
I can't imagine anything will go wrong, given he has been the model of knee health to this point.


Hmm, Buchholz Part 2? Between Rodriguez and Pomeranz I'm thinking a 6th starter is a necessity.
   45. Darren Posted: December 29, 2016 at 10:45 AM (#5374995)
knee health is a funny term. :)

6th starter is always a necessity, as are 7th and 8th. The Sox have very good depth right now, and as you point out, they need it.

   46. Jose is El Absurd Bronson Y Pollo Posted: December 29, 2016 at 10:58 AM (#5375011)
Rob Bradford has a piece up today suggesting that the Sox' actually are very thin. I don't really agree with his conclusion. The Sox are perhaps a bit thin but I think between Holt, Young, Travis and Swihart plus Pomeranz/Owens/Johnson the depth is there. I always like a bit more depth (2011 will have me forever scarred) but I think the depth is there.
   47. Darren Posted: December 29, 2016 at 11:09 AM (#5375018)
How many teams have a 4th OF as good (or as expensive!) as Chris Young? How many have a utility infielder as good as Brock Holt? Or a 6th starter like Steven Wright? Sure the Red Sox are thinner at 3b, but that was by design. (Yuk yuk.)

The Red Sox do have some possible weak spots at 1b/3b/dh, but I don't see those as depth issues.
   48. Jose is El Absurd Bronson Y Pollo Posted: December 29, 2016 at 11:47 AM (#5375032)
I think if you have a concern on depth it's the the Sox have very little in the upper minors to help out even for a short time. I'm pretty sure Brentz is out of options so he's gone. But those 7th pitchers/6th outfielder types are never any good anyway.

The other thing is that I think the Sox are less likely to need depth than most teams. This is a really young starting lineup so I think expecting better health than average is probably reasonable.
   49. jacksone (AKA It's OK...) Posted: December 29, 2016 at 11:57 AM (#5375038)

The Red Sox do have some possible weak spots at 1b/3b/dh, but I don't see those as depth issues.


All of which could actually be filled pretty nicely by Plouffe. Be interesting to see if the Sox can get creative enough and incentive laden enough to get him to sign.

You must be Registered and Logged In to post comments.

 

 

<< Back to main

BBTF Partner

Support BBTF

donate

Thanks to
Randy Jones
for his generous support.

Bookmarks

You must be logged in to view your Bookmarks.

Syndicate

Page rendered in 0.5895 seconds
38 querie(s) executed