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   1. John DiFool2 Posted: November 03, 2016 at 10:32 AM (#5345053)
If you put in the proper more up to date adjustments from a Fangraph article from a year or two ago (long story short he argues that DH's should be on par 1B as far as positional adjustments go), then it is a 6 win season for Papi.


   2. Nasty Nate Posted: November 03, 2016 at 10:38 AM (#5345060)
Does Clay have 5/10 no-trade rights? He's appeared in 10 seasons, but I don't know if it's service time that counts.
   3. Textbook Editor Posted: November 03, 2016 at 10:45 AM (#5345067)
NN--I think it's service time, not # of seasons, that counts.

Sandoval will get every chance to at least be a platoon job-share at 3B with Shaw, unless some stud 3B drops in their lap via a trade (which I don't see happening).

I hope they don't trade JBJ. I'd love to see a full season with Benintendi-JBJ-Betts as the OF.

   4. Golfing Great Mitch Cumstein Posted: November 03, 2016 at 12:06 PM (#5345151)
I think they need starting pitching depth. Johnson and Owens didn't look good last year, Kelly seems to be a reliever, and there are no other pitching options in the high minors. I don't know how to fix it outside of just hoping you can find some guy on a minor league contract that turns out to be better than expected.
   5. Nasty Nate Posted: November 03, 2016 at 12:28 PM (#5345171)
NN--I think it's service time, not # of seasons, that counts.
If so, I think they should trade him - even while I acknowledge that the net return would be tiny and that Mr. Cumstein is right in #4 that they need SP depth.
   6. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: November 03, 2016 at 01:21 PM (#5345273)
Some starting depth would be good but the good news is there are six starters under contract that I feel good about (Price, EdRod, Buchholz, Porcello, Wright, Pomeranz) in varying degrees. They'll need more than that but some kind AAA filler (e.g. Sean O'Sullivan) is probably sufficient.
   7. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: November 03, 2016 at 05:20 PM (#5345513)
The Buchholz option was officially picked up today.
   8. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: November 05, 2016 at 09:18 PM (#5346651)
Watched Kopech in the AFL all star game. Good movement and location on his pitches and he was mixing it up well, al, hard of course. He worked very quickly which I like. He does the Wade Miley thing where he never turns his back on the catcher.
   9. Dock Ellis Posted: November 06, 2016 at 12:35 AM (#5346707)
Who can they realistically trade for though? Honestly, their best shot at significantly upgrading the starting pitching passed away.
   10. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: November 06, 2016 at 10:36 AM (#5346746)
I think Greinke can probably be had. Sonny Gray would be expensive and risky but is probably available. Tampa supposedly is open to trading Cobb or Archer.

All of these options will be costly, JBJ and a top prospect opens the bidding, and all co e with risks of varying degrees. Whether or not these are good options is definitely a dispute but if the Sox want to make a splash for a top starter they have options.
   11. esturminator_CT Posted: November 06, 2016 at 10:19 PM (#5347021)
Any chance the Cubs would consider trading Kyle Schwarber to the Red Sox for JBJ and a low level prospect. I am prone to believe that such a deal might help pick up a few WAR points offensively with perhaps relatively little cost defensively due to the ability of either Betts or Benintendi to move to CF. I think Schwarber's bat might play very well in Fenway and heck, we could perhaps reunite Schwarber and Sam Travis in the near future.
   12. karlmagnus Posted: November 07, 2016 at 08:31 PM (#5347722)
Do we want Hellickson? Looks worth a flyer if he's not too costly.
   13. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: November 07, 2016 at 09:54 PM (#5347770)
I suspect Hellickson would cost more than we want to spend on him.
   14. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: November 07, 2016 at 09:55 PM (#5347771)
Schwarber is intriguing no but I don't think it makes sense. All we are doing there is filling one hole by creating another I think.
   15. Dan Posted: November 16, 2016 at 08:03 PM (#5354276)
I really doubt you could get Schwarber for JBJ. You'd probably need to at least add someone like Kopech or Groome plus some kind of lower end prospect.

It could still be worth it in theory but I tend to think not, especially when we can just go sign Encarnación for just money.
   16. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: November 16, 2016 at 08:41 PM (#5354289)
Who can they realistically trade for though? Honestly, their best shot at significantly upgrading the starting pitching passed away.


And 11 days later the pale house are having a fire sale and both Quintana and Sale are available. And as discussed previously, I am sure Greinke can be had from the snakes.
That's 3 pretty darn good hurlers who would look good slotting in around Price and the Cy Young award winning Rick Porcello.

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