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   1. villageidiom Posted: June 18, 2016 at 11:35 AM (#5246636)
(Roenis! Eduardo! Clay!)
At this point I can't tell if you're enthusiastic about them or yelling at them.

One of the things to keep in mind with any roster moves is that many of the suggested moves would involve players who aren't yet on the 40-man roster. Of all the players mentioned above, only Light, Owens, and Castillo are on the 40-man right now. On the plus side, they still have one slot open on the 40-man, but deals for two or more players would need to clear some space.
   2. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: June 18, 2016 at 09:16 PM (#5246915)
That's a good point about the 40 man. I admit I didn't think about it that closely, more along the lines of trying to get a sense of the framework of a deal.
   3. villageidiom Posted: June 18, 2016 at 10:12 PM (#5246955)
You went about it the right way. But in addition to your suggestions they might also need to flip a Sean Coyle for some non-roster filler.
   4. Petunia inquires about ponies Posted: June 19, 2016 at 03:49 PM (#5247243)
Teheran and Lucroy are going nowhere. I don't see the Sox committing to the remainder of Braun's contract, just because I think they can do as well or better without paying a superstar salary to that roster spot, although your point about Ortiz opening up a spot in the lineup does make sense. But you've gotta figure that Ortiz money goes to a long-term deal to lock up Betts or Bogaerts, don't you?
   5. covelli chris p Posted: June 19, 2016 at 04:47 PM (#5247276)
Of all the players mentioned above, only Light, Owens, and Castillo are on the 40-man right now.
castillo was just outrighted, so he isnt' on the 40 man any more. sounds like he'll end up back in pawtucket. similar situation to allen craig.
   6. covelli chris p Posted: June 19, 2016 at 05:00 PM (#5247280)
chris young is looking like more than just a platoon guy. not bad.
   7. Joe Bivens is NOT a clueless numpty Posted: June 19, 2016 at 05:19 PM (#5247296)
I agree with you, strongly, about Teheran. The rest? As Phil Hartman as Sinatra said, "it's all pops and buzzes from here".
   8. covelli chris p Posted: June 19, 2016 at 07:08 PM (#5247341)
I agree with you, strongly, about Teheran. The rest? As Phil Hartman as Sinatra said, "it's all pops and buzzes from here".
agreed. they could really use a mid rotation starter. sliding procello back to #4 would make the rotation look pretty good, imho.

tbh, apart from depth, i don't think they need much else. i'm fine with chris young as my left fielder and shaw at 3rd. would be nice to have brock holt back, but rutledge and hernandez are good utility options. swihart would be nice, too, and i actually liked what i saw of him in left. some more bullpen depth would be nice, too, but whatever ...
   9. covelli chris p Posted: June 19, 2016 at 07:16 PM (#5247345)
jbj has been pretty amazing over the past year or so, huh? i had completely written him off. i thought he was just too slow with the bat. kudos to him for making adjustments that have unlocked his ability. for a little guy, he has a ton of pop.
   10. Pleasant Nate (Upgraded from 'Nate') Posted: June 20, 2016 at 08:50 PM (#5248276)
The Myers and Pomeranz packages are significantly light, starting at the lead player going out to SD. I think Myers moving is highly unlikely, even with a strong offer.

Hill probably costs more than that too, if he comes back healthy.

On the flip side, I don't think teams will view Ockimey as filler. So that's plus.

The rest look about right.

   11. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: June 21, 2016 at 10:08 PM (#5249288)
Fairly encouraging performance from Buchholz it looks like. I didn't see the game so maybe it wasn't but all in all he looks like he was decent.
   12. SY Ruined School Lunches! Posted: June 21, 2016 at 11:28 PM (#5249388)
Trading for Teheren really seems like Shelby Miller redux. Over performing his peripherals big time against some iffy competition. Hes probably about as good as Porcello, which is fine, but the cost is going to be very very high imo.

edit- I'd do the Devers+ deal mentioned in the OP. I think the cost will be higher, though.
   13. SY Ruined School Lunches! Posted: June 21, 2016 at 11:38 PM (#5249396)
My trade targets would be something like Jay Bruce + Hellickson or Rich hill if he is healthy. Maybe one of the eighth inning guys too. If that doesn't get them to the playoffs, tip your cap and try again with plenty of money and prospects to spare.
   14. Jay Seaver Posted: June 21, 2016 at 11:50 PM (#5249400)
Fairly encouraging performance from Buchholz it looks like. I didn't see the game so maybe it wasn't but all in all he looks like he was decent.


I suppose it may feel that way if you didn't see the game. Not that I'm saying he looked bad, exactly, so much as those of us in the bleachers were kind of biased when the first two pitches of the game went over and off the wall - when the third pitch was outside the strike zone, the audience cheered because it was not an extra base hit.

He did settle down pretty well after that, and he's probably the best choice to take the mound in five days' time. But, yikes, I'm willing to take a lower ceiling for a guy whose results won't be so absolutely random.
   15. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: June 23, 2016 at 07:24 AM (#5250357)
Thanks Jay, I missed this yesterday. Honestly right now "random" suggests there is a chance of "not sucking" which is a big improvement over what they have been getting out there. I feel similarly about Rodriguez last night, he was generally good with a couple of mistakes hurting him.
   16. Fancy Crazy Town Banana Pants Handle Posted: June 23, 2016 at 08:12 AM (#5250367)
I think unless Rodriguez shows that he can actually throw a third pitch in games, they would be better off moving him to the pen. He has good stuff, but you can't keep showing the same thing over and over again, or hitters at the MLB level whill figure you out. And although it's a fairly samll sample, his numbers show that.

Times Facing Opponent in Game:
1st PA: .195/.267/.390/.657
2nd PA: .237/.356/.553/.908
3rd PA: .407/.393/.741/1.134
   17. Norcan Posted: June 24, 2016 at 12:50 PM (#5251626)
I don't think Chavis and Raudes would suffice for Wil Myers who's only 25 and finally seems over the wrist problem which looked was going to derail his career. He's someone I wouldn't mind dealing Benintendi for. There's only a three year difference and I think Benintendi's bat might top out at Myers' current level, with the potential to be worst.
   18. Nasty Nate Posted: June 24, 2016 at 01:17 PM (#5251637)
What about Melvin Upton?
   19. Norcan Posted: June 24, 2016 at 01:26 PM (#5251641)
What about Melvin Upton?


No way. Not only has he not been all that good, he has one year left for 16 million plus what he has left this season. I imagine the Red Sox are going to want SD to heavily subsidize his deal but in return, why wouldn't SD want a good prospect in return? Which begs the question, why would you trade a good prospect for Melvin Upton?
   20. Nasty Nate Posted: June 24, 2016 at 01:37 PM (#5251649)
Well, I meant to imply that the Sox wouldn't be paying the whole salary.

why wouldn't SD want a good prospect in return?
Because saving some of his salary obligations and receiving a not-good prospect might be better for SD than paying his entire obligations and receiving nobody at all.
   21. Norcan Posted: June 24, 2016 at 01:54 PM (#5251664)
Because saving some of his salary obligations and receiving a not-good prospect might be better for SD than paying his entire obligations and receiving nobody at all.


You know, you're right, that is a valid subsidizing angle for SD.

I can't imagine Upton being an option at all. With Holt tentatively slated to return relatively soon and Young eventually as well (who knows with Swihart), they only need a stop gap option in left field. I don't think Upton would even be on the roster if everyone returns. The guy is still having a below-average season. I don't know why you would trade a prospect for him at all even if SD subsidizes something like 85 percent of his deal, which seems like a lot but it's going to take a lot to get his salary down to a workable level.
   22. Nasty Nate Posted: June 24, 2016 at 02:03 PM (#5251671)
I didn't realize Holt was close to being back. Apparently he's playing games in Pawtucket; I thought he was still in concussion limbo.
   23. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: June 24, 2016 at 02:28 PM (#5251682)
He started last night then got ejected about the 4th inning. Oops.

Upton is an interesting one. He's not really having a very good year, 94 OPS+ but the defense is propping him up. Still he's only 31 and it's not impossible to imagine him having an Andruw Jones-like resurgence in him.
   24. bfan Posted: June 24, 2016 at 02:46 PM (#5251698)
Dream on if you think a strong prospect is going to lure Teheran away from Atlanta; whether ATL is over-estimating Julio or not, I think it is going to take a very top prospect; it would have to be a top 10-15 prospect guy who is a position player. He is about as good as Porcello? This year Teheran is sitting at 151 ERA+, and 112 in his lifetime. Porcello sits at 113 and 96. That feels about 2 standard deviations apart, but nowhere close to Teheran being about as good.

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