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Tuesday, August 01, 2017

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The Sox picked up a helpful victory on Monday night behind the outstanding pitching of Doug Fister and a 4 hit day from the new third baseman whose name I am not worthy to repeat.  The four hits by [redacted for unworthiness] makes him the first 20 year old to have a four hit game for the club since Tony Conigliaro (thanks Baseball-Reference Play Index!!!).  The win also allows the Sox to keep pace with the Yankees just half a game out of first and gives them a four game lead in the Wild Card race.

Most importantly the Sox finish the month of July which was a fairly harrowing month but all in all the Sox finish in decent shape.  Despite some ups and downs the Sox went 13-14 for the month with a positive run differential (122-101).  For all the concerns about the offense, and they are justified, the Sox were sixth in the AL in runs scored for the month.  The Sox also addressed some glaring needs sending three middle relief prospects to the Mets for Addison Reed, bringing in Eduardo Nunez to be a third base/infield depth and calling up [redacted for unworthiness].

To me this is why my confidence remains generally good save for a bit of a panic attack on Sunday.  The Sox have a strong pitching staff with Sale, Pomeranz and the snakebit Porcello giving them good starts on a regular basis.  The Sox lead the American League in Quality Starts and when you get that kind of pitching you offset slumps pretty well. There is some reason for concern with David Price’s injury and “Edgar” Rodriguez scuffling since his return from the DL.  I am optimistic on the Venezuelan Viper returning to form but the absence of Price hurts.  For all the hubbub about him in 2016 he was a big reason the Sox were playing October baseball.  He wasn’t great but he was good particularly from May forward.

On the offensive side there is some good news starting to grab hold.  [redacted for unworthiness] looks every bit as comfortable as Andrew Benintendi did 11 months ago, Xander Bogaerts looks to be snapping out of it a bit with a modest three game hitting streak and Nunez has given the Sox some lineup depth.  Suddenly the Sox aren’t desperately reliant on the top five hitters to score runs.

As much as Sunday’s loss shook my faith yesterday’s win restored it.  Pitchers often talk about succeeding when you don’t have your best stuff as a sign of a good pitcher and the same is true for a team.  The Sox had a lot of things go haywire in July; off field drama, injuries (the loss of Joe Kelly has been underrated), slumps from hitters coming in bulk and some poor clutch hitting.  Despite that they treaded water and lost just 2 games in the standings to the now first place Yankees.  Obviously they cannot keep playing the way they have since the All Star break but there is enough talent on this roster to think they won’t.

In the light of day on August 1st I feel like we may look back at July as the time when the wheels could have come off but the Sox weathered the storm.  Now they can turn the page into August and hopefully get on a run that they have not had since the end of June.

Jose is an Absurd Doubles Machine Posted: August 01, 2017 at 09:35 AM | 56 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. villageidiom Posted: August 01, 2017 at 12:29 PM (#5504319)
The Sox had a lot of things go haywire in July; off field drama, injuries (the loss of Joe Kelly has been underrated), slumps from hitters coming in bulk and some poor clutch hitting.
As I've highlighted a couple of times, they also had more than 2 full games' worth of extra inning play, just since the All-Star Break. That kind of thing will exhaust a bullpen.

The acquisition of Reed, plus the outstanding deep performance last night by whoever they got to take Fister's start, should give a little bit of a reset to the bullpen and get them back on track. If they can get Edgar Eduardo to straighten out, they will do very well.
   2. villageidiom Posted: August 01, 2017 at 12:33 PM (#5504330)
The Sox lead the American League in Quality Starts and when you get that kind of pitching you offset slumps pretty well.


In 14 quality starts this year, Porcello has a 3-9 record.
   3. Jose is an Absurd Doubles Machine Posted: August 01, 2017 at 01:08 PM (#5504379)
I would have thought that was impossible to do.
   4. Fat Al Posted: August 01, 2017 at 02:16 PM (#5504444)
In 14 quality starts this year, Porcello has a 3-9 record.


Demonstrating mainly how stupid the QS "stat" is.
   5. The Yankee Clapper Posted: August 01, 2017 at 04:01 PM (#5504558)
In 14 quality starts this year, Porcello has a 3-9 record.

Doesn't know how to "pitch to the score", apparently. Better work on that.
   6. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: August 01, 2017 at 04:20 PM (#5504571)
In 14 quality starts this year, Porcello has a 3-9 record.

Doesn't know how to "pitch to the score", apparently. Better work on that.

Porcello's got a 4.55 ERA, the highest FIP and WHIP of any of the main starters, along with the highest HR rate. Fully half of his 22 starts have resulted in Game Scores below 50, and only 5 of them over 60. And to put a cherry on the top of the sundae, he's 0 and 9 against teams with better than .500 records. Draw your own conclusions.
   7. Jose is an Absurd Doubles Machine Posted: August 01, 2017 at 04:27 PM (#5504577)
Draw your own conclusions.


Yankee fans* coming out of the woodwork to post in Sox Therapy threads. Conclusion drawn. Where you guys been the last few years?

* well, Yankee or Oriole fans in some cases. Record dependent.
   8. villageidiom Posted: August 01, 2017 at 04:36 PM (#5504587)
Demonstrating mainly how stupid the QS "stat" is.

To be fair, the fact that he has 14 QS in 22 starts probably tells me more about how he's performing than his 4-14 record does.
I would have thought that was impossible to do.

No, having a 5-11 record in 14 QS would be impossible.
   9. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: August 01, 2017 at 04:37 PM (#5504589)
Yankee fans* coming out of the woodwork to post in Sox Therapy threads. Conclusion drawn. Where you guys been the last few years?

Suffering. Waiting for the storm of mediocrity to pass. Panhandling for some reliable pitchers. Watching the Red Sox steal the title of Evil Empire right out from under our noses. But plotting revenge as we speak.
   10. Jose is an Absurd Doubles Machine Posted: August 01, 2017 at 04:58 PM (#5504613)
No, having a 5-11 record in 14 QS would be impossible.


Our new third baseman could do it.
   11. villageidiom Posted: August 01, 2017 at 05:13 PM (#5504632)
Our new third baseman could do it.
We might need our new third baseman to play second base. Pedroia is on the DL.

Seriously, Nunez and Holt will handle 2B. But, man.
   12. Jose is an Absurd Doubles Machine Posted: August 01, 2017 at 05:18 PM (#5504638)
I'll tell you, I feel a hell of a lot better with Nunez and Holt than I would have about a month ago with Marrero and Lin.
   13. Jose is an Absurd Doubles Machine Posted: August 01, 2017 at 11:36 PM (#5504875)
So August started well.
   14. Textbook Editor Posted: August 02, 2017 at 01:32 AM (#5504912)
I'll tell you, I feel a hell of a lot better with Nunez and Holt than I would have about a month ago with Marrero and Lin.


Yeah, this is one of those things where at the margins it seems like a small upgrade (and in fairness Lin overperformed any reasonable expectation one could have), but really it's a huge one--you can rest guys now a bit more than you have in the past, without a crater opening up in the lineup. And, of course, at the moment Devers is like the anti-Panda in terms of performance.

The Pedroia thing worries me--Dombrowski seemed to be hinting that, basically, the injury is going to be a chronic one from here on out... Now, maybe that's just hyperbole, maybe he meant more this season than the rest of his career (though it certainly read like the rest of his career)... but IF this is the start of the end of Pedroia at 2B... that seems like a bit of a problem, doesn't it? By that I mean... where does he move to? I mean, I could see him at 1st, but not sure his bat plays there. He could DH, of course, if in a year he finds himself unable to play 2B every day, but, again, does his bat play there if he DH's 100 games and plays 2B maybe 40?

It's not really talked about, but Pedroia moving off 2B is eventually going to be a Jeter-like situation (i.e., "where does Jeter go if he can't play SS?")... And probably sooner rather than later. I honestly don't know what the plan would be, should that happen in 2018 instead of 2019 or 2020...
   15. villageidiom Posted: August 02, 2017 at 06:44 AM (#5504936)
I suspect it's more likely Pedroia just deals with it and becomes something like a platoon player. Not in the strict sense of "won't bat against RHP" or anything like that, but rather he'll play as much as a platoon player because that's all he will be healthy enough to do. If Holt is the other half of that, it's not too bad.
   16. John DiFool2 Posted: August 02, 2017 at 07:42 AM (#5504940)
Since the MLB story on the game was of absolutely no help, and I don't want to spend 30 minutes trying to find the answer somewhere on some game blog, have to ask here:

HOW TF IS THAT A LEGAL CATCH!?!?

EVERY time in the past when I've seen a player catch the ball and immediately fall into the stands like that, it's been called a home run. Did they change the rule at some point? [I saw in the replay the umps confirming it on replay] My understanding is that you need to NOT let your momentum carry you into the stands, which the player clearly didn't do here.

Am I missing something?
   17. Jose is an Absurd Doubles Machine Posted: August 02, 2017 at 07:45 AM (#5504941)
So Addison Reed sucks right?

I have to say despite the homer I liked what I saw last night. He faced four batters and went 0-2 on all of them. If he pitches like that it's going to work a hell of a lot more often than not.

As far as the Pedroia thing...I don't think we're that close to a situation where we have to be too concerned. He's been very good this year and we still have Holt under control next year and in 2019. At some point it will be a need and depth is important as we have seen but like vi says, if it happens next year Holt is the option.

Long term I don't think there is an option for Pedroia really. He's shorter than Warwick Davis so he won't be a first baseman and while I think he could handle third hopefully Devers has sewn that spot up by the time it becomes an issue.
   18. Jose is an Absurd Doubles Machine Posted: August 02, 2017 at 07:47 AM (#5504942)

HOW TF IS THAT A LEGAL CATCH!?!?

EVERY time in the past when I've seen a player catch the ball and immediately fall into the stands like that, it's been called a home run. Did they change the rule at some point? [I saw in the replay the umps confirming it on replay] My understanding is that you need to NOT let your momentum carry you into the stands, which the player clearly didn't do here.

Am I missing something?


I'll look for the rule in writing but I know the rule is that where your feet are when you leave the ground is the important thing. Think Jeter's catch and dive into the stands in 2004, same concept. A player can't jump the wall and land on the other side THEN make the catch but what A-Jax did there is fine. Had there been a runner on base I believe he would have been allowed to advance one base due to the ball going out of play.

And it's the best catch I've ever seen in person.
   19. villageidiom Posted: August 02, 2017 at 07:54 AM (#5504944)
I'll look for the rule in writing but I know the rule is that where your feet are when you leave the ground is the important thing.
I looked at the rule last night just after the play. It's a legal catch.
   20. Jose is an Absurd Doubles Machine Posted: August 02, 2017 at 07:54 AM (#5504945)
6.05 A batter is out when—
(a) His fair or foul fly ball (other than a foul tip) is legally caught by a fielder;
Rule 6.05(a) Comment: A fielder may reach into, but not step into, a dugout to make a catch,
and if he holds the ball, the catch shall be allowed. A fielder, in order to make a catch on a foul ball
Rule 6.02 to 6.05
38
nearing a dugout or other out-of-play area (such as the stands), must have one or both feet on or over
the playing surface (including the lip of the dugout) and neither foot on the ground inside the dugout
or in any other out-of-play area. Ball is in play, unless the fielder, after making a legal catch, steps or
falls into a dugout or other out-of-play area, in which case the ball is dead. Status of runners shall be
as described in Rule 7.04(c) Comment.

Rule 7.04(c) A fielder, after catching a fly ball, steps or falls into any out-of-play area;
Rule 7.04(c) Comment: If a fielder, after having made a legal catch, should step or fall into
any out-of-play area, the ball is dead and each runner shall advance one base, without liability to be
put out, from his last legally touched base at the time the fielder entered such out-of-play area.
   21. Golfing Great Mitch Cumstein Posted: August 02, 2017 at 07:57 AM (#5504946)

HOW TF IS THAT A LEGAL CATCH!?!?


Players fall out of play making catches all the time. Whether it's a home run or foul ball doesn't change things. The only issue I know of is runners automatically advance when a player falls out of play on a catch.
   22. villageidiom Posted: August 02, 2017 at 08:08 AM (#5504948)
Irrelevant parts omitted.

5.09(a)(1): A batter is out when his fair or foul fly ball (other than a foul tip) is legally caught by a fielder.

A catch is the act of a fielder in getting secure possession in his hand or glove of a ball in flight and firmly holding it; providing he does not use his cap, protector, pocket or any other part of his uniform in getting possession. In establishing the validity of the catch, the fielder shall hold the ball long enough to prove that he has complete control of the ball and that his release of the ball is voluntary and intentional.

Catch Comment: A fielder may reach over a fence, railing, rope or other line of demarcation to make a catch.


Subsequent rules dictate that if after a legal catch a player falls out of bounds with the ball any runners will be entitled to advance. But there were no runners on base at the time.
   23. villageidiom Posted: August 02, 2017 at 08:09 AM (#5504949)
6.05 A batter is out when—

Old numbering. MLB renumbered the rules a year or two ago.
   24. Jose is an Absurd Doubles Machine Posted: August 02, 2017 at 08:10 AM (#5504950)

Old numbering. MLB renumbered the rules a year or two ago.


That's weird, I just did a google search for "MLB Official Rules" and that's what it gave me. Weird that the link (at MLB.com) would still work.
   25. villageidiom Posted: August 02, 2017 at 08:14 AM (#5504952)
The thing to be careful on is that the section on having both feet in bounds refers to "a foul ball nearing a dugout or other out-of-play area (such as the stands)". It's written in such a way that "other out-of-play area" is in reference to where a foul ball might be near, and not in reference to fly balls in general. But if you throw out that section as irrelevant to this play you're still good, as it's legal to reach over the wall into the bullpen to catch the ball, and there is no prohibition on the catch for leaving the field of play after the catch.
   26. villageidiom Posted: August 02, 2017 at 08:18 AM (#5504954)
Weird that the link (at MLB.com) would still work.
Agreed. Here are the 2017 rules, with the new numbering, and a cross-reference table of old number to new number, and at the end is another complete set with the old numbering.

It's almost like MLB anticipated a bunch of people wouldn't tolerate changes to long-standing formats.
   27. villageidiom Posted: August 02, 2017 at 08:19 AM (#5504957)
And all of this stuff on the rules isn't meant to detract from the important takeaway, that that was an amazing game.
   28. Jose is an Absurd Doubles Machine Posted: August 02, 2017 at 08:27 AM (#5504959)
It really was. Just a constant back and forth and for a game with so much scoring it was really well played. A lot of times that kind of scoring is the result of some sloppy baseball but there really wasn't any of that. Just one error (on an errant throw trying to get a runner at the plate), not a lot of walks, some nice defensive plays (and one that was just stupid), home runs, base hits, star players doing star things (Lindor) and role players coming up big (Vazquez) all taking place on a perfect weather night.

Oh and I should add. After the game I took a photo of a nice couple and we got to chatting and they mentioned they were from Houston and were touring a few ballparks around hitting Cooperstown last weekend. They said the atmosphere at Fenway was unlike anything else they'd experienced. They said it was palpable the moment they walked in (a bit late due to Boston traffic. Who knew?).
   29. Jose is an Absurd Doubles Machine Posted: August 02, 2017 at 08:38 AM (#5504963)
Side note on Sale's performance; that was his first start without Leon behind the plate.
   30. villageidiom Posted: August 02, 2017 at 08:47 AM (#5504967)
Side note on Sale's performance; that was his first start without Leon behind the plate.
From my viewing at home it seemed like Sale's pitches were generally catching too much of the heart of the strike zone. The Lindor HR was a quality pitch, but the others were not.

I don't think it was so much that Vazquez was setting up differently or calling pitches to be down the middle. Sale was missing location - not wildly so, but enough to make his usual unhittable stuff very hittable.
   31. villageidiom Posted: August 02, 2017 at 09:08 AM (#5504979)
It really was. Just a constant back and forth and for a game with so much scoring it was really well played. A lot of times that kind of scoring is the result of some sloppy baseball but there really wasn't any of that. Just one error (on an errant throw trying to get a runner at the plate), not a lot of walks, some nice defensive plays (and one that was just stupid), home runs, base hits, star players doing star things (Lindor) and role players coming up big (Vazquez) all taking place on a perfect weather night.


Too, the Moreland strikeout in the 9th. Crazy stuff.
   32. Jose is an Absurd Doubles Machine Posted: August 02, 2017 at 09:20 AM (#5504984)

Too, the Moreland strikeout in the 9th. Crazy stuff.


What happened on that? I was a bit blocked. I saw the swing, there was no doubt then all of a sudden someone a couple rows behind me said "run dumbass" and off he went. Did the ball get away from Gomes or did he just fall asleep?
   33. Morton's Fork Posted: August 02, 2017 at 09:42 AM (#5504998)
WOW. That was the best regular-season game of the twenty-first century, easy, a my-lifetime classic. Sox overcame and overcame and overcame a superlative opponent's effort *and* rough outings from their two best pitchers. Up and down, back and forth, homers and wild-pitch-strikeouts scoring.

To me this is a fun, athletic, young, aggressive, talented team. You can see that "Smiley" Devers is for real even though the sample size is small; he is uncannily mature at the plate. It's interesting to contrast his debut with Yoan Mocada's; YM seemed obviously overmatched. Dombrowski is on top of his game (love the Fister, Reed, and Nunez acquisitions, not to mention the Pandeletion). Farrell, too, with a good effort this season. They're very deep now. Guys who have underperformed (Betts [feet], Bogaerts [hand], Benintendi [sophomore], and maybe Hanley) are rounding into form, and second-halfers like Holt and Price and Workman look to be big contributors as October approaches. I'm surprised by how good a hitter Moreland is: excellent knowledge of the strike zone and good ability to hit to both fields with more than medium power. Vazquez may well become a superstar; he's so streaky, and his TJ surgery complicates any projection, but two years back we were wondering if he'd ever hit enough to justify his inclusion on a ML roster, and now you might think that he's got Silver-Slugger abilities.

Nobody replaces Big Papi, and the hole he left was huge, both sabermetrically and spiritually. These 2017 Sox have relentlessly pursued a new Chemistry and the gel now may well be setting. They've started NINE third-basemen in four months; at this point the depth chart looks like Devers-(Holt/Nunez) and that does not seem at all hopeless.

But for the fact that Manny Machado is a MF cheating bush-league punk, Peewee would be the obvious AL MVP instead of DL fodder. (Pedroia's stats are good, of course, duh, but he's two steps slower on both sides of the ball because of the knee. Buzzard's luck.)

And of course, as always, Boston media and public are totally off-base about the nature of this team.
   34. Jose is an Absurd Doubles Machine Posted: August 02, 2017 at 09:56 AM (#5505008)
And of course, as always, Boston media and public are totally off-base about the nature of this team.


I wrote about the media about 6 weeks ago (I think). The coverage this year has been AWFUL. I decided to check in on Full Count this morning and the headline was "Is this team suddenly likable?" I mean c'mon, talk about being bandwagon jumpers. It's the same team everyone loved last year but because they aren't on pace for 110 wins they are the worstest worsts that ever worsted.

It's gotten to the point where Speier is literally the only writer in town I can read. Bradford has decided to be a grouch (has been since day one this year), Tomase is still Tomase and they've added this Alex Reimer dude who is WEEI's answer to the painfully bad Eric Wilbur.
   35. Nasty Nate Posted: August 02, 2017 at 10:00 AM (#5505010)
To me this is a fun, athletic, young, aggressive, talented team.
I agree with this and am somewhat confused by fans griping about the likeability of the team, or mystified about their contender status, or saying they don't "feel" like a good team. They are a big-money team with a bunch of good players in (or entering) their primes, plus the best pitcher in the league; that they have spent a lot of time in first is not a mystery to me.

----
Unfortunately I missed most of last night's game (including the ending). I traveled all day yesterday and was too tired to stay up.
   36. Random Transaction Generator Posted: August 02, 2017 at 10:02 AM (#5505011)
Most pitcher losses in a quality start (IP >= 6, ER <= 3) for 2017:

                                                         
Rk              Player Year        #Matching  ERA CG   IP
1        Rick Porcello 2017     9 Ind. Games 2.55  2 60.0
                                                         
2       Michael Fulmer 2017     6 Ind. Games 2.95  1 42.2
                                                         
3         Martin Perez 2017     4 Ind. Games 3.96  0 25.0
4           Yu Darvish 2017     4 Ind. Games 2.84  0 25.1
5       Patrick Corbin 2017     4 Ind. Games 2.92  0 24.2
6         Chris Archer 2017     4 Ind. Games 3.08  0 26.1
                                                         
7           Jose Urena 2017     3 Ind. Games 2.70  0 20.0
8          Josh Tomlin 2017     3 Ind. Games 2.95  0 21.1
9        Julio Teheran 2017     3 Ind. Games 3.66  0 19.2
10        Max Scherzer 2017     3 Ind. Games 1.27  1 21.1
11     Jeff Samardzija 2017     3 Ind. Games 4.12  0 19.2
12          Chris Sale 2017     3 Ind. Games 1.90  1 23.2
13       Jose Quintana 2017     3 Ind. Games 3.44  0 18.1
14           Ivan Nova 2017     3 Ind. Games 3.43  1 21.0
15       Ricky Nolasco 2017     3 Ind. Games 2.75  0 19.2
16          Aaron Nola 2017     3 Ind. Games 2.14  0 21.0
17          Matt Moore 2017     3 Ind. Games 3.15  0 20.0
18           J.A. Happ 2017     3 Ind. Games 3.72  0 19.1
19        Gio Gonzalez 2017     3 Ind. Games 2.37  0 19.0
20        Sam Gaviglio 2017     3 Ind. Games 2.95  0 18.1
21        Jaime Garcia 2017     3 Ind. Games 2.38  0 22.2
22          Mike Fiers 2017     3 Ind. Games 2.50  0 18.0
23        Johnny Cueto 2017     3 Ind. Games 3.15  0 20.0
24         Gerrit Cole 2017     3 Ind. Games 1.80  0 20.0
25      Jhoulys Chacin 2017     3 Ind. Games 3.32  0 19.0
26         Dylan Bundy 2017     3 Ind. Games 3.72  0 19.1
27   Madison Bumgarner 2017     3 Ind. Games 2.70  1 20.0
28         Joe Biagini 2017     3 Ind. Games 2.70  0 20.0


   37. Morton's Fork Posted: August 02, 2017 at 10:11 AM (#5505016)
It's gotten to the point where Speier is literally the only writer in town I can read. Bradford has decided to be a grouch (has been since day one this year), Tomase is still Tomase and they've added this Alex Reimer dude who is WEEI's answer to the painfully bad Eric Wilbur.

Yeah, WEEI is totally useless anymore. I'm in California; I watch every game on MLB.TV but otherwise I'm bereft of decent coverage, as I refuse to pay any fee to read the Globe as long as they continue to pay Dan Shaughnessy, so I miss most of Speier.
   38. Morton's Fork Posted: August 02, 2017 at 10:18 AM (#5505021)
It's gotten to the point where Speier is literally the only writer in town I can read. Bradford has decided to be a grouch (has been since day one this year), Tomase is still Tomase and they've added this Alex Reimer dude who is WEEI's answer to the painfully bad Eric Wilbur.

Yeah, WEEI is totally useless anymore. I'm in California; I watch every game on MLB.TV but otherwise I'm bereft of decent coverage, as I refuse to pay any fee to read the Globe as long as they continue to pay Dan Shaughnessy, so I miss most of Speier.
   39. jmurph Posted: August 02, 2017 at 11:25 AM (#5505097)
Agree with the likability factor of this team: this is an example where I can confidently say that, regardless of their record, they would be fun to watch. I don't necessarily care for their (public) personalities, but Sale and Price are among the 5 or so most fun pitchers to watch in the league, for me*. And all of the outfielders, Pedroia, Xander, etc. I don't like Kimbrel's silly pose thing while he waits for the sign, but he's damn fun to watch pitch. I can't understand not liking this team, or at least finding them interesting.

*This might not be true, I'd have to think about it. Kershaw, Scherzer, Darvish... they're right up there, for my money. Archer is fun, too.
   40. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: August 02, 2017 at 11:56 AM (#5505123)
Agree with the likability factor of this team: this is an example where I can confidently say that, regardless of their record, they would be fun to watch. I don't necessarily care for their (public) personalities, but Sale and Price are among the 5 or so most fun pitchers to watch in the league, for me*. And all of the outfielders, Pedroia, Xander, etc. I don't like Kimbrel's silly pose thing while he waits for the sign, but he's damn fun to watch pitch. I can't understand not liking this team, or at least finding them interesting.

I'd like all of them except Kimbrel if they were Yankees. But Kimbrel just looks like a pink flamingo lawn ornament with that ridiculous pose of his, and I don't think I could get past that.
   41. jacksone (AKA It's OK...) Posted: August 02, 2017 at 12:54 PM (#5505185)
I'd like all of them except Kimbrel if they were Yankees. But Kimbrel just looks like a pink flamingo lawn ornament with that ridiculous pose of his, and I don't think I could get past that.


You would when he strikes out the side on 9 pitches.
   42. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: August 02, 2017 at 12:59 PM (#5505191)
I'd like all of them except Kimbrel if they were Yankees. But Kimbrel just looks like a pink flamingo lawn ornament with that ridiculous pose of his, and I don't think I could get past that.

You would when he strikes out the side on 9 pitches.


Maybe, but I'd have to switch to the radio whenever he took the mound, and given the Yankees radio duo I'd be facing an impossible avoidance-avoidance conflict.
   43. jmurph Posted: August 02, 2017 at 01:21 PM (#5505212)
You would when he strikes out the side on 9 pitches.

Or gets 4 Ks in one inning!

Seriously though the pose thing is dumb- closer cosplay has become very silly. But whatever works!
   44. Jose is an Absurd Doubles Machine Posted: August 02, 2017 at 01:27 PM (#5505216)
The kids I coach love it.
   45. jmurph Posted: August 02, 2017 at 01:40 PM (#5505229)
The kids I coach love it.

Oh I believe that, I'm sure I would have felt the same way.
   46. villageidiom Posted: August 02, 2017 at 01:56 PM (#5505253)
What happened on that? I was a bit blocked. I saw the swing, there was no doubt then all of a sudden someone a couple rows behind me said "run dumbass" and off he went. Did the ball get away from Gomes or did he just fall asleep?
Checked swing on a passed ball. Moreland thought he didn't swing and focused on motioning for the runner to move up, as he watched Gomes chase the ball. Then the ump made it clear he'd struck out and/or Moreland woke up, and Moreland started running to first. How Gomes gave chase for a good 2-3 seconds with Moreland not running, and yet Moreland made it safely to first without a throw, I'll never know.
   47. Golfing Great Mitch Cumstein Posted: August 02, 2017 at 04:31 PM (#5505455)
How is Bogaerts rounding into form? Are you talking about his last four games when he has gone 5 for 17 with one walk and one double?
   48. Jose is an Absurd Doubles Machine Posted: August 03, 2017 at 02:22 PM (#5505953)
Well I didn't say "rounding into form" I said "looks to be snapping out of it a bit." But yeah, those are the games. For a guy who did NOTHING in July this is a big boost. The Sox set a low bar in July offensively that they should be able to overcome so even if Bogaerts just hits .294/.333/.353 the rest of the way (his performance these last four games) that would be over a .300 point improvement in his OPS from July 8-28 (.127/.186/.164).
   49. Golfing Great Mitch Cumstein Posted: August 03, 2017 at 04:17 PM (#5506044)
I was responding to Morton's Fork who wrote this:

Guys who have underperformed (Betts [feet], Bogaerts [hand], Benintendi [sophomore], and maybe Hanley) are rounding into form


Still I think it's a bit premature.
   50. Textbook Editor Posted: August 03, 2017 at 10:34 PM (#5506317)
Yeah, WEEI is totally useless anymore. I'm in California; I watch every game on MLB.TV but otherwise I'm bereft of decent coverage, as I refuse to pay any fee to read the Globe as long as they continue to pay Dan Shaughnessy, so I miss most of Speier.


FWIW, Seier's newsletter (an email) is free to get and while it doesn't provide his full articles, it gives a decent taste of them, and also will have a collection of links/minors news. It's not something I wait for with baited breath every day, nor is it something I read every day but... Yeah, he's so far, far ahead of every other Boston writer it's not even funny.

CAVEAT: I didn't grow up in Boston... I often wonder if NOT being from Boston helps one to see more clearly how screwed up the baseball media is in that town. Had I grown up there, it's possible I'd feel different/wouldn't know any other paradigm than the grumpy Boston baseball writer.
   51. Jose is an Absurd Doubles Machine Posted: August 03, 2017 at 10:54 PM (#5506320)
49 - oh sorry.

50 - I think there might be something to the idea of not being from Boston. New Englanders (like me) are notoriously provincial in all areas and that certainly extends to the Red Sox who are of course ingrained in the culture here.
   52. Textbook Editor Posted: August 03, 2017 at 11:25 PM (#5506335)
Jose--Being from the Philly area, I can see (now that I'm much older, of course) that the same dynamic is in play with the Philly media (though usually regarding the Eagles as opposed to the Phillies)...

It's all kind of weird, I have to admit. It helps to be somewhat disconnected, I think... Another example: often I'll read Guardian articles on EPL teams (or even Spurs) with pretty close to complete bewilderment--it's like they go out looking for fights to pick, etc. (and I don't think the Guardian is even considered "tabloid" by UK standards). It's kind of odd.

I'm not sure I know what the Platonic ideal beat writer is, exactly, but I do know that Speier is about as close as I'm likely to ever see (for any team I follow). In a sense, he comes at things from an analysis standpoint and leaves other stuff out... I think this is the same reason why when it comes to soccer coverage I prefer articles by Michael Cox or Jonathon Wilson--I know with them I'll just get a discussion of tactics and styles of play, without any of the psychology, etc. histrionics that some of the other UK writers will go with.
   53. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: August 04, 2017 at 07:35 AM (#5506367)
I agree with this and am somewhat confused by fans griping about the likeability of the team, or mystified about their contender status, or saying they don't "feel" like a good team. They are a big-money team with a bunch of good players in (or entering) their primes, plus the best pitcher in the league; that they have spent a lot of time in first is not a mystery to me.

I do think it's somewhat weird that they've spent so much time in first given the amount of underperformers they have. I think this is definitely a very good team, particularly if some players come back into form. And if we get to the playoffs we have Chris sale.
   54. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: August 07, 2017 at 01:19 PM (#5508025)
Aug. 7:

1935 Joe Cronin's only walk-off HR
1951 Bobby Doerr suffers a severe sacroilace pain that forces him into early retirement
1956 Ted Williams spits at Yanks bench when they join in the jeering of him for misplaying a ball in the top of the 11th. Ted Williams receives only (known) walk-off walk of his career. BOX 1, NYY 0. As game ends, he throws his bat 40 feet in air on way to 1st. Fined $5,000 by team for the spitting
1956 Jackie Jensen has to be restrained by Mel Parnell and a coach, from going into stands - too personal on his wife
1966 Carl Yastrzemski's only pinch hit HR: Down 4-6 in top 9 w/ 1 out, he ties it
1980 Jim Rice's 5th & final career SH. Has 5.272 PA left but no more SH. #4 was early April 1978
1984 Bill Buckner & Tony Armas each hits slam in 1st two innings for BOX vs. DET
1992 Jack Clark files for bankruptcy. Lists debuts of $11,459,305.97 and assest of $4,781,780. Owns 18 autos
1999 3,000 hits: Wade Boggs. 2,429 games. It's his final career HR. He's playing with Tampa
2001 last game Bret Saberhagen
2009 Alex Rodriquez hits walk-off HR in bottom of the 15th inning: NYY 2, BOX 0 (15)
2010 BOX sign Carlos Delgado to minor league contract


Question for youzez: Would you have any interest in seeing me do stuff like the above on a regular basis in the most recent Sox Therapy threads? I've been doing 'em in the Cubs place for a week or so and people seem to like it. Thought I'd try it hear. If you're not interested, that's fine. Just want to see if there's an interest in it.
   55. Nasty Nate Posted: August 07, 2017 at 01:26 PM (#5508030)
Would you have any interest in seeing me do stuff like the above on a regular basis in the most recent Sox Therapy threads?
Yes!
1956 Ted Williams spits at Yanks bench when they join in the jeering of him for misplaying a ball in the top of the 11th. Ted Williams receives only (known) walk-off walk of his career. BOX 1, NYY 0. As game ends, he throws his bat 40 feet in air on way to 1st. Fined $5,000 by team for the spitting
This whole sequence sounds awesome.
   56. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: August 08, 2017 at 09:02 AM (#5508582)
Aug. 8:

1914 Tris Speaker has an unassisted double play. His 2nd of the year. (First 4/21)
1923 BOX trade 2 players & $4,00 to Danville (Three-I League) for Red Ruffing
1945 Hank Greenberg liner fractures skull of BOX pitcher Jim Wilson. 2 hours surgery. He'll recover and pitch until 1958
1966 fog stops BOX-CLE game 4 times
1980 Jim Rice steals 2 bases in a game for only time
1997 100 homers: Manny Ramirez
1999 100 wins: Pedro Martinez: 100-49
2004 Tim Wakefield allows 6 HR, gets win for BOX anyway: 11-9 over DET

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