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   1. NJ in NY (Now with Baby!) Posted: July 22, 2005 at 04:03 AM (#1490663)
Best. Idea. Ever.
   2. NJ in NY (Now with Baby!) Posted: July 22, 2005 at 04:19 AM (#1490730)
How long has this thread type been around? Why can't it be put in the regular section?
   3. Mikαεl Posted: July 22, 2005 at 11:20 AM (#1491077)
This is a regular Sox Therapy thread. I'm sure someone on the main board could post something like this for general minor league stuff. NTNGod or somebody.

Papelbon had a good start, but his second start was quite bad, and I think the Sox would generally like to see a couple very good ones in a row before calling him up.

They were saying on SoSH that Pap was hitting the mid-90s last night, as high as 97 on one pitch. He and Manny should get the call pretty soon, I think, if not right now. Another, say, two good weeks should do it.

"Freedom" Petagine MLE update: 275/395/505
   4. JB H Posted: July 22, 2005 at 12:05 PM (#1491084)
I don't think it's really worth the bother of bringing Papelbon to the pen unless they think he'd be a lot better in relief than he is starting.

He's definently good enough to be in the pen, but if he was called up he'd just be replacing Jeremi Gonzalez as the #4 righty and getting mostly meaningless innings. I don't think Papelbon is significantly better than Gonzalez right now anyway.

Unless the team's looking at Billy Wagner or something, there's not really anything they can do to the pen that will make much of a difference
   5. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: July 22, 2005 at 12:11 PM (#1491087)
Rotoworld's Top 150 prospects list had 5 Sox in the Top 55. It's nice to have things to look forward to.
   6. covelli chris p Posted: July 22, 2005 at 12:52 PM (#1491101)
Why can't it be put in the regular section?

because the red sox are the only team with minor leaguers worth talking about! BEST. FARM SYSTEM. EVER!
   7. philly Posted: July 22, 2005 at 01:26 PM (#1491130)
How long has this thread type been around? Why can't it be put in the regular section?

Come to think of it... I think there was talk this winter of some BTF specific minor league content from someone - Mike Emigh maybe? - but that didn't seem to happen.

And of course, chris p makes a great point. Sox do have the best farm system ever where every prospect is better than David Wright. So there's that too.
   8. Mikαεl Posted: July 22, 2005 at 01:31 PM (#1491136)
Speaking of prospects who are obviously better than David Wright, how's about Jeff Corsaletti's first 80 professional PA in the Sally league: 380/480/580.
   9. Josh Posted: July 22, 2005 at 01:34 PM (#1491141)
where every prospect is better than David Wright

Even Matt Van Der Bosch, who, incidentally, is down to .245/.315/.391.

Ellsbury, though, now has 8 or so steals, with narry a caught stealing. That is nice.

On Pap, I'd like to see him called up after 2 or 3 more decent starts, but I'd love for him to take over Jermi's role. I don't want him in during the 7th to face one right handed (or left handed!) batter, now that Bradford is around. I'd prefer to see him work in unimportant innings as becomes acclimated. Given the Cla experience, this seems the preferred route.
   10. covelli chris p Posted: July 22, 2005 at 01:46 PM (#1491161)
I'd like to see more of Jeremi out of the bullpen. I've liked what I've seen.
   11. philly Posted: July 22, 2005 at 01:52 PM (#1491170)
Speaking of prospects who are obviously better than David Wright, how's about Jeff Corsaletti's first 80 professional PA in the Sally league: 380/480/580.

Can't quite isolate Wright's first 80 ABs, but his first 120 were a very non-Corsalletti-like: 300/386/458

Tsk. Tsk.
   12. covelli chris p Posted: July 22, 2005 at 02:06 PM (#1491179)
And Kapler is 1-8 in his "rehab" assignment in the NY-Penn league.

He couldn't hit in the NPB, why do people think he can help the Red Sox? Hyzdu, on the other hand has shown that he is too good for AAA.
   13. NJ in NY (Now with Baby!) Posted: July 22, 2005 at 03:11 PM (#1491336)
Mikael, what was Cano's MLE while he was in Columbus?
   14. NJ in NY (Now with Baby!) Posted: July 22, 2005 at 03:13 PM (#1491345)
Rotoworld's Top 150 prospects list had 5 Sox in the Top 55. It's nice to have things to look forward to.

And 2 (should have been 3) Yankees!!!
   15. Mikαεl Posted: July 22, 2005 at 03:36 PM (#1491414)
Mikael, what was Cano's MLE while he was in Columbus?

Do you have the 2005 numbers? BA's database provider dumps all the old stats of players who are no longer on the roster.

This is Cano's 2004 MLE:
Player   AB   H   2B   3B   HR   BB    K    BA   OBP   SLG
Cano    481  128  24    4    9   43   65  .266  .301  .365 
If you have a basic statline for '05, I can plug it into my spreadsheet.

(I could also email it to you, if you'd like.)
   16. Mikαεl Posted: July 22, 2005 at 03:38 PM (#1491417)
Ok, something's wrong if Cano's got 43 MLE walks.

Gimme a minute...
   17. Mikαεl Posted: July 22, 2005 at 03:45 PM (#1491433)
Just a bad reference. Here's the corrected line, which is actually pretty similar:
Player   AB    H  2B   3B   HR   BB    K    BA   OBP   SLG
Cano    515  131  23   11    8   35   83  .254  .301  .388 
   18. NJ in NY (Now with Baby!) Posted: July 22, 2005 at 03:54 PM (#1491452)
AB 108
H 36
2B 8
3B 3
HR 4
BB 6
K 13
BA .333
OBP .368
SLG .574
   19. philly Posted: July 22, 2005 at 04:06 PM (#1491486)
Do you have the 2005 numbers? BA's database provider dumps all the old stats of players who are no longer on the roster.

There's a trick to get around that. Go to the minorleague baseball site and use the "Bookmark Player" feature. That bookmark brings up stats from every level.
   20. NJ in NY (Now with Baby!) Posted: July 22, 2005 at 04:12 PM (#1491502)
Or just go to minorleaguebaseball and use the search function...
   21. Mikαεl Posted: July 22, 2005 at 04:19 PM (#1491523)
philly - thanks, that'll be nice and useful.

NJ - Here's 2005:
Year     AB    H  2B   3B   HR   BB    K    BA   OBP   SLG 2005    109   33   7    3    3    5   16  .301  .332  .503 
   22. Mikαεl Posted: July 22, 2005 at 04:20 PM (#1491526)
Whoa. Try 2:
Year     AB    H  2B   3B   HR   BB    K    BA   OBP   SLG
2005    109   33   7    3    3    5   16  .301  .332  .503 
   23. NJ in NY (Now with Baby!) Posted: July 22, 2005 at 04:23 PM (#1491536)
Nice, that's about in line with his MLB performance so he's actually been doing this for the entire year.
   24. NJ in NY (Now with Baby!) Posted: July 22, 2005 at 04:24 PM (#1491543)
Mikael can I get this spreadsheet? E-mail it to minoryankeeblog(at)hotmail(dot)com.
   25. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: July 22, 2005 at 04:25 PM (#1491548)
Whoa. Try 2:

Year AB H 2B 3B HR BB K BA OBP SLG
2005 109 33 7 3 3 5 16 .301 .332 .503


So, basically, the MLE is what he actually is doing at the major league level (except slugging a bit too high). GOGO MLE!
   26. covelli chris p Posted: July 22, 2005 at 04:27 PM (#1491551)
Mikael, what's Hyzdu's 2004 & 2005 MLE? this is what he actually did:
Year     AB    H  2B   3B   HR   BB    K    BA   OBP   SLG
2004    465  140  33    2   29   84  106  .301  .413  .568
2005    207   57   9    1   11   47   61  .275  .410  .488
   27. Mikαεl Posted: July 22, 2005 at 05:05 PM (#1491633)
Hyzdu, MLE'd:
Year     AB    H  2B   3B   HR   BB    K    BA   OBP   SLG
2004    471  122  29    2   20   72  129  .260  .363  .461  
2005    213   49   8    1    8   41   75  .232  .356  .387 
On Arias, I dunno, he's also got a 1:26 BB:K ratio. He's 23, a bit old for the Sally League. As I understand it, he's always had good power potential, but hasn't put anything else together.
   28. philly Posted: July 22, 2005 at 05:25 PM (#1491664)
Paniagua and Arias are pretty mich straight out of central casting for "raw power Dominican tools player with "can't walk off an island" tattooed to his forehead."
   29. NJ in NY (Now with Baby!) Posted: July 22, 2005 at 07:37 PM (#1492000)
Not saying he's on the same level due to the whole fastball velocity thing, but, I'm always slightly amused that Papelbon is a generally highly regarded prospect and Matt DeSalvo goes largely unnoticed.
   30. NJ in NY (Now with Baby!) Posted: July 22, 2005 at 07:51 PM (#1492027)
Simple. Check the KBB ratio's.

Papelbon (AA) 3.61
DeSalvo (AA) 2.22

Big, big difference. I also believe that Portland plays in a hitter's park. Not sure about Trenton.


IIRC, Portland favors hitters while Trenton favors pitchers, but neither is to the extreme, I think. In addition DeSalvo has given up only 3 home runs in 89 IP this year at AA while Pap gave up 9 in his 86 AA innings and DeSalvo has(d) a slightly higher Kper9 though Pap has the Hper9 advantage.
   31. Buster Olney the Lonely Posted: July 22, 2005 at 08:18 PM (#1492083)
Not saying he's on the same level due to the whole fastball velocity thing, but, I'm always slightly amused that Papelbon is a generally highly regarded prospect and Matt DeSalvo goes largely unnoticed.

DeSalvo made the All Star team. Papelbon did not.
   32. covelli chris p Posted: July 22, 2005 at 08:19 PM (#1492089)
Papelbon is a strange case in that he hasn't really been pitching for a long time. He wasn't a full time pitcher until his senior year in college when he was the closer. In 2004 he pitched more innings than he did in his entire high school, college, and pro career combined up to that point, and he hasn't shown any ill effects from the increased workload this year.

That's why his age doesn't matter as much as for other pitching prospects.
   33. covelli chris p Posted: July 22, 2005 at 08:20 PM (#1492090)
DeSalvo made the All Star team. Papelbon did not.

Papelbon didn't make the AA All Star team b/c he wasn in AAA.
   34. Buster Olney the Lonely Posted: July 22, 2005 at 08:24 PM (#1492102)
Papelbon didn't make the AA All Star team b/c he wasn in AAA.

I know. I was just trying to give RC#1 a hard time.
   35. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: July 22, 2005 at 09:21 PM (#1492248)
Nice! I get to see ANIBAL! tonight!
   36. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: July 23, 2005 at 02:05 AM (#1493015)
Well, most of you know by now, but Sanchez's line:

7 IP, 3 H, 0 R, 11 K, 2 BB

According to the stadium gun, he was mostly around 91 with his FB, topping out at 95. His breaking ball has a ridiculous amount of movement on it, it will be devastating if he can learn to control it.
   37. Mikαεl Posted: July 23, 2005 at 03:01 PM (#1493640)
Sanchez is up to 117 Ks in 93 IP this year.

He's a prospect.

With the Yankee/Red Sox comparison, I think it's striking that Papelbon was the Sox #3 prospect in BA, while DeSalvo didn't even make the Yankee top ten. And that certainly isn't because of the strength of the Yankee farm system.

I would say, though, that such a low ranking for a college pitcher who succeeded in the FSL typically means the player is seen as "getting by on guile" without the requisite stuff for the next level. So DeSalvo should hit the prospect radar this offseason if he keeps it up - he'll have shown quite a few of his doubters.

I'd rather have Papelbon, and by a good bit.
   38. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: July 23, 2005 at 03:08 PM (#1493646)
Oh yeah, the game last night had the little seen steal of home. Sheldon Fulse (no idea who this guy is, but he's fast) was on third, the NH pitcher tried to pick off a guy at first, and Fulse took off and slid in safely.
   39. Mikαεl Posted: July 23, 2005 at 03:13 PM (#1493650)
Fulse is the guy the Sox got from the Mariners for Matt White two years ago.

He had an ok half-season with Portland last year, but tanked at the end and is now a 4th OF.
   40. NJ in NY (Now with Baby!) Posted: July 23, 2005 at 04:20 PM (#1493703)
To be clear, I'm not saying I wouldn't take Papelbon over DeSalvo, I would. Papelbon can get it up in the mid 90s and for whatever it's worth has a pitcher's body whereas DeSalvo is a smaller guy who's comfortable working around 90. His biggest asset is that he throws 7 pitches. I think he's a terrific example of a guy who has the chance to become something who's just going to have to prove himself every step due to scouting biases against RHP his size and with his velocity. The guy went undrafted despite holding the all time college strikeout record. Last year BA said it's not a good sign for guys like him and Clippard to be in a team's top 10 becuase they're fastball command guys.

/Somewhat random thoughts.
   41. NJ in NY (Now with Baby!) Posted: July 23, 2005 at 04:30 PM (#1493710)
Since I brought him up anyway, Mikael, what do you think of Clippard?
   42. Mikαεl Posted: July 23, 2005 at 09:19 PM (#1494011)
I'm away from all my reference books right now, so this is a bit impressionistic, but I'm sure that I'd be pretty excited about Clippard if he were a Red Sox.

I'd be waiting for him to post better ERAs based on his other numbers, and I'd be worried about the lack of respeck from BA, but K/9 > 9 is what it is.

I'd wouldn't trade any of the Red Sox top 3 for Clippard, certainly. But I wouldn't trade any of them for any of the Yankee pitching prospects. I think the Sox big three are a pretty special thing, not a particularly useful baseline for comparison - except for fanboy bragging.
   43. covelli chris p Posted: July 23, 2005 at 09:46 PM (#1494045)
word on the street craig hansen signed and will be pitching for wilmington soon.
   44. philly Posted: July 24, 2005 at 04:12 AM (#1494413)
word on the street craig hansen signed and will be pitching for wilmington soon.

The SoSH rumor mill seems to be "not Wilmington" with speculation that it will be Portland though a "get used to being a pro" week in Lowell would make just as much sense before they ship him someplace to face appropriate competition.

This is a great time for the signing. I was getting a little worried that if it dragged another week or two he wouldn't have much time in the minors. Season is over in about 5 weeks. You figure as a releiver he might only pitch 5 innings per week. If he starts now he can get in ~25 IP which is about double that Meredith needed to "prove" he was ready for Boston. So you know, he should be twice as good.
   45. NJ in NY (Now with Baby!) Posted: July 24, 2005 at 04:42 PM (#1494722)
I don't know why you say he's little though. Baseball Cube list s his height at 6:3, though he only wieghs a 170 lbs.

I was referring to him now being 6'4'' 170, though I think he's actually 180. Still he looks rail thin and the reason I brought that up is that that makes me feel if he can add some weight to his frame he could be a guy whose fastball really takes another step up. He had another good start last night: 7 innings, 1 hit, 0 runs, 0 earned runs, 0 walks, 8 strikeouts. I really like him as a pitching prospect.
   46. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: July 24, 2005 at 09:12 PM (#1495146)
Moss & Murphy both hit bombs today. Murphy was 3-5 overall, with the HR, a 2B, and 3 RBI.
   47. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: July 24, 2005 at 10:58 PM (#1495378)
Almost forgot: Hanley played third base today. Odd.
   48. Mikαεl Posted: July 25, 2005 at 12:38 PM (#1496064)
"Freedom" Petagine MLE update: 290/405/525

I have only one question for you, Theo. Why do you hate freedom?
   49. Golfing Great Mitch Cumstein Posted: July 26, 2005 at 12:31 AM (#1497531)
What do people think of Manny Delcarmen? Steve Buckley loves him and has made him a member of the "Big 7" Sox prospects that the FO would not trade. I cannot agree with this claim. He is a relief prospect with career 4/9IP BB rate. (Note: soxprospects.com states that Delcarmen is rumored to be promoted to Boston on Tuesday)
To show you how much Buck knows. He included Hansen in the "Big 7" of untouchables, not realizing the Sox could not trade Hansen for a year. Buck is a bigger fanboy than anydody on this site.
   50. covelli chris p Posted: July 26, 2005 at 03:35 AM (#1498174)
Steve Buckley loves him and has made him a member of the "Big 7"

there's no big 7. there are 5 "untradeable" prospects. buckley is full of ####.

methinks you have the right idea and buckley does not.
   51. NJ in NY (Now with Baby!) Posted: July 26, 2005 at 03:59 AM (#1498267)
Phil Hughes tonight went 5 innings and gave up 1 walk and that was it while striking out 7. I think he and Clippard are a nice 1-2 combination of starting pitching prospects.
   52. Darren Posted: July 26, 2005 at 04:06 AM (#1498285)
As long as we're talking about minor league relievers, does anyone know the story on 6-yr FA Felix Romero? He put up amazing numbers in A ball at age 24 last year, only to do the same again this year (48.6 IP, 60 K, 9 BB, 0 HR, 47 H). With these numbers, why is he still in A ball? Don't they need to see, very soon, if he can handle higher levels? Is it that they don't want to give him a track record in AA, then expose him to Rule V because the 40 man's full?

I don't think there are any untradeable prospects, save maybe Pedroia, only because the Sox probably value him far more than others do (or maybe they don't). I think Hanley can be had in a package for a major league star.

I'm just hoping that this year's deadline-ish deals aren't as disappointing as last years, where we had to bid farewell to an icon and a good prospect.
   53. covelli chris p Posted: July 26, 2005 at 04:16 AM (#1498319)
I don't think there are any untradeable prospects,

agreed. that's why i used the quotes.
   54. Josh Posted: July 26, 2005 at 11:29 AM (#1498729)
As long as we're talking about minor league relievers, does anyone know the story on 6-yr FA Felix Romero?

I got the impression that the Sox were going to see what he could do this year, but then he went to on the suspended list for steriods and he has been on the back burner since.
   55. NJ in NY (Now with Baby!) Posted: July 26, 2005 at 05:53 PM (#1499340)
Hey!!! DeSalvo makes the BA front page.
   56. covelli chris p Posted: July 26, 2005 at 06:05 PM (#1499377)
who's this desalvo kid and when can we expect him to be pitching for the red sox?
   57. Mattbert Posted: July 26, 2005 at 07:33 PM (#1499594)
Criminy, Darren. Last year's deadline deals propelled the team to a title.

I'm still skeptical of this argument, if only because the incredible run of pitching performances the starting rotation put up shortly after the deadline usually gets left out of the equation. How much of that had to do with a new shortstop, 4th outfielder, and defensive 1B sub I don't know.
   58. Mattbert Posted: July 26, 2005 at 08:16 PM (#1499701)
With the emphasis on little?

Pokey wasn't exactly killing them on D, and the starters didn't reel off a stretch like that when he was the starting SS. Roberts and Mientkiewicz I doubt affected the starters' performance all that much since they were primarily late-inning defensive subs.

I don't think Theo's moves made no difference; they certainly made the team deeper, especially off the bench. But I think tagging them as the catalyst for the championship run is a reach. It makes a nice and tidy narrative, but I don't believe they were the most important thing that happened on the way to the title. Not even close.
   59. Joel W Posted: July 26, 2005 at 09:00 PM (#1499819)
Basically, if you look at stats by month, the pitching went nuts in August, striking out 20% of batters faced w/ a 4:1 K:BB. It all comes down to that. It wasn't the D.

Last year's team was too good not to make a run, and I believe was unlucky until August, and then a little lucky after. I still would like Murton back.
   60. Mattbert Posted: July 26, 2005 at 10:00 PM (#1499991)
Wait, so the pitchers struck out more batters once they stopped trying to strike them out?

And, other than Cabrera replacing Nomar, it was the same defense behind the pitchers. I repeat, Pokey (a much better defender than Cabrera) was the starting SS for a sizeable chunk of the season, and the pitchers never tore it up in front of him like they did in August.
   61. Mattbert Posted: July 26, 2005 at 10:45 PM (#1500134)
Nope. Roberts logged a lot of time in the outfield, in place of Damon and Trot.

Roberts started 6 games in CF and 11 in RF.

Millar was getting time out there before and was horrible.

Yeah, but Kapler played plenty (some might say more than enough) out there too, and he's supposedly very good defensively.

Total outfield starts:
Kapler 73
Millar 66
Nixon 36
Roberts 19

And Mientkiewitz not only fielded his position better (a lot better) than Millar but he saved the other infielders too, with picks that Millar would never have made.

Granted, but how often did this affect the starting pitchers? Mientkiewicz only started about half the games he appeared in with Boston. So you'd have to figure a lot of the time he was coming in for the 8th and 9th innings to get Millar's skillet hands out of there.
   62. Mattbert Posted: July 26, 2005 at 11:09 PM (#1500201)
Combined with the other gloves brought in, apparently quite a bit, after perusing the table I inserted above.

Did you see similar variations for other months or was it only JUL/AUG?

you cna't just look at starts. You have to look at innings. Pokey, Minky and Roberts (sometimes) were all used as defensive replacements.

Yes, but we were talking about the remarkable run by the starting rotation. Presumably, late-inning defensive subs would not have the same impact on the starters' confidence. On the relievers' maybe, but not the starters'.
   63. Josh Posted: July 26, 2005 at 11:37 PM (#1500299)
I have no idea what the impact of the trade was on the team's pitching staff, but Kevin's chart doesn't show it, that I know.

Schil -- July was worst BA against; of course there is a drop off in August.
Wake -- August is the same as May, with more HRs.
Petey -- BA against by month until Aug: 230, 250, 233, 248, 215
Lowe -- June BA against is 245
Arroyo (left off the list) saw his BA against go up in August.

I have no idea if the story of Roberts, Cabrera, and Minky being the difference is true. It could very well be. But, that list doesn't come close to showing it.
   64. Mattbert Posted: July 26, 2005 at 11:42 PM (#1500309)
I checked the monthly splits on BAA for the entire year, and I'm not buying this argument. In the context of the entire year, August looks just like any other month, it's July that stands out as being particularly bad.

Comparing APR -> MAY, for example, everyone in your group's BAA dropped except for Wake, Pedro, and Embree. Further, the only guy in your group to have his best BAA month of the year in AUG was Pedro. Everyone else had posted an equal or better BAA during either APR, MAY, or JUN (or sometimes 2 or 3 of those months) while pitching in front of the "bad" defense.
   65. Darren Posted: July 27, 2005 at 02:54 AM (#1501032)
BABIP would be more telling of defensive difference.

I see no evidence that those deals led to the hot streak directly (or didn't).
   66. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: July 27, 2005 at 04:37 AM (#1501395)
That's good, since Papelbon may be starting on the 1st of August...
   67. Josh Posted: July 27, 2005 at 05:44 AM (#1501533)
In other news, Youks hit 3, count 'em, doubles in a 9-1 Pawsox win.

And, he followed that up with a 2/5 performance in the 2d game of the double header.

Total: 5/10 with 5 doubles.

(Machado had another couple of hits to move up to .320, btw.)
   68. Mattbert Posted: July 27, 2005 at 04:18 PM (#1502139)
Well, don't you think it's a wee bit of a coincidnece that nearly all of the pitchers started pitching noticably better shortly after they imported three gloves and got rid of a defensive liability at SS, while at the same time reducing the playing time of two others who had better defensive options playing behind them?

Well, considering that essentially the exact same BAA improvements were observed in the April-to-May timeframe...in a word, yes, I do think it's a coincidence. The pitchers got hot. I'm sure the defense helped. I'm not sure the defense *caused* it, or even catalyzed it, though.
   69. Famous Original Joe C Posted: July 27, 2005 at 06:14 PM (#1502445)
kevin, if you're out there, any chance you could post us a Sox game chatter? Does anyone know what if any roster changes have been/will be made?
   70. NJ in NY (Now with Baby!) Posted: July 28, 2005 at 03:47 PM (#1504797)
   71. covelli chris p Posted: July 28, 2005 at 04:42 PM (#1504945)
3. Philip Hughes, RHP, Yankees

they spelled "Anibal Sanchez" and "Red Sox" wrong.
   72. Mikαεl Posted: July 28, 2005 at 04:49 PM (#1504967)
The funny thing is that he actually did spell, "Jon Lester" wrong.

I liked this part.

1. Tampa Bay
2. Boston
3. Toronto
4. Baltimore
5. New York

I think New York's system might be better than Baltimore's though. I don't really know.
   73. NJ in NY (Now with Baby!) Posted: July 28, 2005 at 07:51 PM (#1505627)
I think New York's system might be better than Baltimore's though

Yeah, that and the complete absence of Sanchez were the things that really jumped out at me. The Blue Jays prospect mentioned made me do a double take actually.
   74. Mikαεl Posted: July 28, 2005 at 08:54 PM (#1505863)
Agreed. I had no idea who that guy is, and I wasn't too impressed when i looked it up. A 23-year-old "polished collegian" - I assume that means mediocre stuff - who has barely pitched in AA yet seems like a real stretch for the list.

Is Toronto really the #3 system in the division? Who do they have in the minors, anyway? I can't hardly think of anyone.

The description of Papelbon as throwing "three plus pitches" was pretty awesome. But then I started thinking that, really, a guy who actually has three plus pitches and a track record like Papelbon's would obviously be #1 or #2. So I don't think Perry really meant "three plus pitches."
   75. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: July 28, 2005 at 09:17 PM (#1505925)
Is Toronto really the #3 system in the division? Who do they have in the minors, anyway? I can't hardly think of anyone.

Their AA team is pretty crappy. Josh Banks looks good, but there's not much else.
   76. philly Posted: July 29, 2005 at 12:31 AM (#1506331)
Is Toronto really the #3 system in the division? Who do they have in the minors, anyway? I can't hardly think of anyone.

Not a lot I don't think, but they're hurt by pushing Adams, Hill, Rios and Chacin to the majors in the last year and a half.

Brace yourselves gentlemen, next April when Hanley, Lester, Papelbon, Sanchez, Pedroia and Hansen are the early co-leaders in the AL RoY race - the Sox farm may look a little thin too.

Sickels did a mid-season Top 50 pitching prospects and had that Janssen guy at 27 or something like that and he was the only guy I had never even heard of.

I don't think the position propects are in great shape, but they've got some intersting pitching prospects.

McGowan and Rosario coming back from TJ and pretty close. Both were seen as top of the rotation starters pre-injury. I haven't really looked to see how they're coming along this year though.

David Purcey and Zach Jackson, their top two picks from last year, are pretty solid pitching prospects.

Oh, and Ricky Romero who was the 6th overall pick this year is obviously very highly rated.

There are also a decent number of command and polish collegians like Banks and Janssen. And Dave Bush, who I guess is another guy who recently sorta graduated to Tor.
   77. Darren Posted: July 29, 2005 at 01:23 AM (#1506448)
The Daily Dish on BaseballAmerica today was Ellsbury. Not much info there, but thought others would want to know.
   78. Mikαεl Posted: July 30, 2005 at 12:47 PM (#1509950)
I'm retreating into the minor league thread for the weekend. i'm at risk of serious rage blackouts on the other threads.

I went to see the SeaDogs last night (with Uncle John~!), had a very nice, relaxing time. We got our seats upgraded from general admission to field boxes down the 3B line.

It was a pretty non-descript game. Hanley created a run in the first by walking, taking second on a single, stealing third and scoring on a wild throw from the catcher. After that, not too much. Hanley showed pretty good discipline at the plate against Jays '04 1st-rounder David Purcey, but never made particularly good contact. Hanley was clearly the best player on the field, but also clearly not ready for MLB. (Purcey, by the way, looked overmatched in AA. He has two good pitches - 91-92 fastball and 75-80 hammer curve, but he does not repeat his delivery well and he was behind in the count all night.)

Chris Durbin made a great throw from the LF corner to nail the batter at 2nd. And hit a homer. He looked ok.

Pauley looked like a non-prospect. He could spot his fastball and curve ok, but even the Fishercats hit him hard when he missed a little bit. He doesn't have the stuff for the big leagues.

Edgar Martinez (converted catcher) pitched a good inning of relief. He has an easy windup and pretty good control of a 93-94 fastball with a pretty eh slider. I could see him getting a chance down the line.
   79. covelli chris p Posted: August 02, 2005 at 01:20 PM (#1516735)
so what's up with Lester throwing 9 innings last night? it doesn't look like the most efficient outing ... 38 batters faced ... 9 hits, 2 runs, 3 walks, 6 strikeouts. i hope his arm doesn't fall off!
   80. Mikαεl Posted: August 02, 2005 at 02:08 PM (#1516791)
Per SoSH, Lester only threw 104 pitches in the complete game.

I got to see Petagine again last night on the milb.com webcast. He's a major league hitter. Quick, powerful swing, good patience. It's getting frustrating to watch him kill the ball.
   81. Josh Posted: August 02, 2005 at 05:39 PM (#1517207)
minorleaguebaseball.com is, again, broadcasting the Pawsox game. And, again, Petagine hits a monster shot -- this time to straight away centerfield.
   82. Marc Sully's not booin'. He's Youkin'. Posted: August 02, 2005 at 08:14 PM (#1517598)
It's to the point where I get sad even thinking about Petagine. I can't remember wanting something I had no control over as badly as I want Petagine in a Sox uniform.

Sigh.
   83. ellsbury my heart at wounded knee Posted: August 02, 2005 at 08:24 PM (#1517628)
There's really nothing we can do, is there? I wish we could organize a letter writing campaign or something to free Petagine. We could print up some Free Roberto Petagine shirts and wear them to Fenway or something. With politics it seems like you have some options of puting pressure on people but with baseball the lack of control kills me. It's tearing me up inside.
   84. philly Posted: August 02, 2005 at 09:01 PM (#1517768)
Papelbon demoted to make room for Cruz and expected to work out the pen the rest of the way.
   85. Josh Posted: August 03, 2005 at 01:51 AM (#1518840)
Some nice pitching performances in the minors tonight.

Alvarez with 7 innings, 2 hits, 0 walks, and 6 SO. (5.1 perfect innings)

Sanchez with 7 innings, 3 hits, 0 walks, 7 SO.
   86. covelli chris p Posted: August 03, 2005 at 02:19 AM (#1518993)
Hannibal: The Pitcher!
   87. Darren Posted: August 03, 2005 at 02:21 AM (#1519002)
It's to the point where I get sad even thinking about Petagine. I can't remember wanting something I had no control over as badly as I want Petagine in a Sox uniform.

Your teenage years were very different from mine.

And you will all doubt ever doubting Alvarez!!!
   88. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: August 03, 2005 at 04:18 AM (#1519294)
Theo hates freedom. There's no other logical explanation.
   89. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: August 03, 2005 at 04:21 AM (#1519299)
Bellhorn's 0-8 with 4 K in his rehab assignment at Pawtucket. Sigh.
   90. Mikαεl Posted: August 03, 2005 at 04:33 AM (#1519310)
Bellhorn's bat looked wicked slow in the game I saw. He's not healthy yet. And even when he is, Graffanino has a good argument to be the starter.

Apparently the Pawtucket tv announcers were praising Petagine's defense quite highly during the afternoon game. I must agree with Biff. Theo hates freedom.

Annabelle's MLE ERA from Portland: 1.50!

And you will all doubt ever doubting Alvarez!!!

Yes. That will show us. I will be unsure, myself in doubt, of whether I doubted him. A truly ironic punishment.
   91. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: August 03, 2005 at 05:14 AM (#1519339)
He's not healthy yet.

I sure hope that's the explanation. I don't want the guy to be essentially finished.
   92. Joel W Posted: August 03, 2005 at 02:46 PM (#1519680)
Can bringing up Sanchez, Paplebon, Alvarez, keeping up Declarmen, etc. and making them the team's bulpen really be worse than what we've got? I say no. Get Schilling back into the rotation already.
   93. Josh Posted: August 04, 2005 at 10:36 PM (#1523946)
Ahh . . .a good bump.

Hansen goes 1 inning, SO two, in his GCL debut. Any word on how he was throwing (e.g., speed)?
   94. Mikαεl Posted: August 05, 2005 at 02:49 AM (#1524467)
Haven't seen any Hansen reports, looking around.

Dustin Pedroia had a good day, too, 4-5, average back up to .275 in Pawtucket.

Baseball America appears to be featuring a Pavement allusion on their front page.
   95. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: August 05, 2005 at 02:56 AM (#1524484)
Pedroia hit his first AAA HR yesterday, no one mentioned that.
   96. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: August 05, 2005 at 02:58 AM (#1524489)
Sigh, another 0-for-4 for Bellhorn.

Though he did finally get on base.

Via a hit by pitch.
   97. Josh Posted: August 05, 2005 at 03:26 AM (#1524535)
Though he had 4 singles, at least two of Pedroia's hits could have been doubles but for odd bounces. He had a real solid day.

Bellhorn, too, hit a ball about as deep as you can straight away CF.

Cla looked really bad and really good in the same outing. When his pitches are on, then tail down quickly and batters look silly. When they are off batters get very solid contact off his straight down the middle, 87 mph "fastball" with the slight rise. It isn't pretty.
   98. philly Posted: August 05, 2005 at 03:29 AM (#1524536)
Haven't seen any Hansen reports, looking around.

Eh. What's the MLE of one shutout inning in the GCL?
   99. Joel W Posted: August 08, 2005 at 02:50 PM (#1529805)
bump. Talk about Anibal: go!
   100. covelli chris p Posted: August 08, 2005 at 04:36 PM (#1530017)
he got beat by that soft tosser petit. he's a scrub.

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