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Shu-Han Zhao Lie Di
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The Historical Cao Zhen

I remember The Historian telling us a bit about him and how he rose up the ranks. Also some stories of how generously he treated his own soldiers.

I cant seem to find the thread so I hope The Historian (or anyone else) can give a detailed description of the achievements of this great guy.

Point 1: He was originally a Qin, not Cao.

OK, keep going.

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Im more curious about cao ren he is the best when cc need to kick some

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Re: The Historical Cao Zhen

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Originally posted by Shu-Han Zhao Lie Di
I remember The Historian telling us a bit about him and how he rose up the ranks. Also some stories of how generously he treated his own soldiers.

I cant seem to find the thread so I hope The Historian (or anyone else) can give a detailed description of the achievements of this great guy.

Point 1: He was originally a Qin, not Cao.

OK, keep going.



Cao Zhen lost his father early in life when his father rose in revolt with Cao Cao. There after Cao Cao brought him up together with his children. Cao Zhen loved riding and hunting, and once during a hunt when he was chased by a fierce tiger he turned around and shot it dead with one arrow. When Cao Cao came to know of it he made Cao Zhen led a troop of cavalry called Hu Bao Qi (Tiger Leopard Riders).

When Cao Pi became Emperor Cao Zhen took control of military matters in Wei jointly with Cao Xiu. Cao Zhen was primarily active in the West and headed the anti-Shu task force while Cao Xiu was primarily active in the East and headed the anti-Wu task force.

Cao Zhen was also a righteous and talented man. Upon entering the Western war theatre he immediately pacified the 3 counties which went over the Shu. Also he correctly deduced that Zhuge Liang having failed in his approach from Qi Shan a few times would try another route via Guan Zhong stationed men there to stop him. The several victories accorded to Sima Yi was actually in history Cao Zhen's.

Cao Zhen had 2 comrades in arms that died early. Whereby Cao Zhen carved out part of his fief allotment and gave it to their sons making them minor nobles. When Cao Zhen went campaigning he would share hardship with his men and would always reward those who had distingished themselves out of his own pockets. Hence his men were always willing to do their best for him. Hence he earned the nickname "Jia Ren" meaning man of Charm. His greatness was such that men of worth continued to be attracted to his name even when his son was a pale shadow of the great man.

His line was exterminated when Cao Shuang and his brothers were executed by Sima Yi. However, his fief and lineage was continued by Cao Xi a grandson from one of his clan.

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Cao Zhen lost his father early in life when his father rose in revolt with Cao Cao. There after Cao Cao brought him up together with his children. Cao Zhen loved riding and hunting, and once during a hunt when he was chased by a fierce tiger he turned around and shot it dead with one arrow. When Cao Cao came to know of it he made Cao Zhen led a troop of cavalry called Hu Bao Qi (Tiger Leopard Riders).

When Cao Pi became Emperor Cao Zhen took control of military matters in Wei jointly with Cao Xiu. Cao Zhen was primarily active in the West and headed the anti-Shu task force while Cao Xiu was primarily active in the East and headed the anti-Wu task force.

Cao Zhen was also a righteous and talented man. Upon entering the Western war theatre he immediately pacified the 3 counties which went over the Shu. Also he correctly deduced that Zhuge Liang having failed in his approach from Qi Shan a few times would try another route via Guan Zhong stationed men there to stop him. The several victories accorded to Sima Yi was actually in history Cao Zhen's.

Cao Zhen had 2 comrades in arms that died early. Whereby Cao Zhen carved out part of his fief allotment and gave it to their sons making them minor nobles. When Cao Zhen went campaigning he would share hardship with his men and would always reward those who had distingished themselves out of his own pockets. Hence his men were always willing to do their best for him. Hence he earned the nickname "Jia Ren" meaning man of Charm. His greatness was such that men of worth continued to be attracted to his name even when his son was a pale shadow of the great man.

His line was exterminated when Cao Shuang and his brothers were executed by Sima Yi. However, his fief and lineage was continued by Cao Xi a grandson from one of his clan.



Thank you so much, The Historian. I'll remember to save this thread. Oh is there a story about when one of Cao Zhen's men had a blister on his foot, Zidan actually went and sucked out the pus for him? Or was that some other general?

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Well, he wasnt invincible, considering he lost to Zhou Yu in Nanjun.

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Ask and you shall recieve.

Cao Ren son of Cao Chi, grandson of Cao Bao (recorded as a younger brother of Cao Teng) is Cao Cao's cousin.

Like Cao Hong, Cao Ren joined Cao Cao very early and actively took part in almost every one of Cao Cao's campaign. Cao Ren distingished himself very early and displayed great talent as a commander.

During the battle of Guan Du, Yuan Shao sent Liu Bei to create chaos behind Cao Cao's lines and it greatly vexed Cao Cao. Cao Cao was only put to ease after Cao Ren's analysis of the situation and placed Cao Ren in charge of guarding the rear while he went ahead against Yuan Shao. During the campaign against the Yuan brothers, there was this city which was stubbornly defended, whereby Cao Cao lost his temper and ordered that the whole city be exterminated whereby the city became even more difficult to conquer. Cao Ren than pointed out that Cao Cao had commented a grave military error by forcing the defenders to fight for their lives. Upon realising it Cao Cao recinded the order and gave the city an option for survival and the city fell. After this incident Cao Ren was given more autonomy at the field.

A courageous general may not necessary be commander-in-chief material and a commander-in-chief may not have the ability to lead the van guard into battle. But in Cao Ren, we have a general of both calibre. When Cao Cao was defeated in Chibi, Cao Ren was left totally incharge of defences in the south to prevent Wu from invading the central plains. In view of thousands of Wu soldiers Cao Ren sent Niu Jin with 300 brave warriors to issue a challege whereby Niu Jin was surrounded and soon became in grave danger. Cao Ren's righteous nature would not stand to see them die and he led a few dozen men and charged in breaking the encirclement and saved Niu Jin and his men. However, not all were saved and Cao Ren went back and rescued them all back.

Cao Ren was a rare general with both valour and wit. Well trained in the military arts. Hence Cao Ren was greatly trusted by Cao Cao and always had alot more freedom to act.

Cao Ren fief and titles were passed on to his son Cao Tai and later grandson Cao Chu. All of Cao Ren's remaining 3 sons were also given titles and fief. Cao Chun is Cao Ren's brother and their family is very wealth.

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Among horses, the Red Hare
Among historians, The Historian

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Thank you so much, The Historian. I'll remember to save this thread. Oh is there a story about when one of Cao Zhen's men had a blister on his foot, Zidan actually went and sucked out the pus for him? Or was that some other general?



Actually I have never heard of it. I think it is some other general and I suspect it is not even from this time line.

To Wei-Wu-Shu: You are too kind.

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Actually I have never heard of it. I think it is some other general and I suspect it is not even from this time line.

To Wei-Wu-Shu: You are too kind.



hehehe Looks like I mixed up the story of another general again. Happens to me a lot. I always remember the details of a story accurately but totally mix up who the characters were.

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