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Marlins (59-72) @ Mets (62-68), Monday, August 29, 2011, 3:33am

FLA: Ricky Nolasco (28, RHP, 9-9, 4.30)
NYM: Dillon Gee (25, RHP, 11-5, 4.37)

The Primer Chimp Posted: August 29, 2011 at 01:00 PM | 50 comment(s)
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1. AJMcCringleberry Posted: August 29, 2011 at 08:07 PM (#3911661)

8 games vs. the Marlins in the next 10 days. Hopefully the Mets can stay out of last place.

2. Lassus Posted: August 29, 2011 at 08:43 PM (#3911700)

Where's Sam M.? I think I heard his wail of pain both psychically and audibly at Hernandez's suggestion that Wright possibly play 1B for a few games to give Tejada more AB in the last 30 games or so of the season.

3. Lassus Posted: August 29, 2011 at 08:47 PM (#3911704)

Is it just me, or is that a bad judgment on a contact play by Thole?

Keith didn't think so, so I'm probably incorrect.

4. AJMcCringleberry Posted: August 29, 2011 at 10:03 PM (#3911788)

Ike may not have ankle surgery if he runs well this week. This being the Mets, I'm predicting he runs well then has surgery in January and misses half of next year.

5. Banta Posted: August 29, 2011 at 10:42 PM (#3911821)

So, Duda is looking really nice. And Evans is showing signs. Both should play over Bay next year in an ideal world, right? God, what a horrible contract he is.

6. Banta Posted: August 29, 2011 at 10:45 PM (#3911825)

Dickey's got an ERA+ of like 106-107 now. On pace for around 200 IP. Got to say he's established himself as a reliable innings-eater, if nothing else.

7. AJMcCringleberry Posted: August 29, 2011 at 10:46 PM (#3911826)

Parnell getting the save chance.

8. Banta Posted: August 29, 2011 at 10:47 PM (#3911827)

Also, hadn't noticed before, but Gee's secondary numbers SUCK. Not a lot of confidence in him going forward.

9. Lassus Posted: August 29, 2011 at 10:48 PM (#3911828)

I guess given Bay's history, he needs to at least be given a month not to suck next year. Not because of the contract, but just because what he might still do. But that's as long as a leash I'd personally give him. No matter how good Evans looks, he hasn't shown (unlike Duda, who isn't competing with him) that he deserves to start over Bay unless that month produces true dreck.

10. Lassus Posted: August 29, 2011 at 10:49 PM (#3911829)

I just picked up Parnell in my fantasy league, as it's being said he'll be getting the save chances from here on out, and I'm fighting for saves and to sneak from fourth to second.

11. AJMcCringleberry Posted: August 29, 2011 at 10:51 PM (#3911832)

Ugh. Don't blow this.

12. Banta Posted: August 29, 2011 at 10:53 PM (#3911835)

I ####### HATE Parnell. He's the sort of guy who gets a million chances just because he throws hard. But the thing of it is, guys who throw hard with little command and no secondary pitches are a dime a dozen. Yet, everyone thinks THEIR guy is gonna turn out to be a bullpen ace. It's so annoying.

13. AJMcCringleberry Posted: August 29, 2011 at 10:54 PM (#3911836)

Ballgame!

14. Banta Posted: August 29, 2011 at 10:57 PM (#3911844)

Not because of the contract, but just because what he might still do.

824 ABs at around a 92 OPS+ is enough to tell me that he's finished.

I know I am jumping the gun on Evans though. But as for that month, I'm giving Bay this September. If he doesn't have a great month, there's no way I'd have him go into next season as the starter. The Mets do have other options and I bet one of them can beat a 90 OPS+.

15. AJMcCringleberry Posted: August 29, 2011 at 10:58 PM (#3911847)

16. Lassus Posted: August 29, 2011 at 11:13 PM (#3911858)

But as for that month, I'm giving Bay this September. If he doesn't have a great month, there's no way I'd have him go into next season as the starter.

I don't even disagree with this that much, but realistically, it won't happen. If Bay even SNIFFS average output the rest of the way, he'll get the start.

Jose back next game!

17. Sam M. Posted: August 29, 2011 at 11:36 PM (#3911865)

Ike may not have ankle surgery if he runs well this week. This being the Mets, I'm predicting he runs well then has surgery in January and misses half of next year.

I think the delay on Ike having the damn surgery has been really stupid. Typical of almost every team, not just the Mets, but stupid as hell.

I think I heard his wail of pain both psychically and audibly at Hernandez's suggestion that Wright possibly play 1B for a few games to give Tejada more AB in the last 30 games or so of the season.

Nah. What the hell is September for on a non-contending team but to let your kids get experience? As long as it's not benching Wright, I have no problem with getting Tejada some more PAs.

18. Lassus Posted: August 29, 2011 at 11:46 PM (#3911871)

I was sure you'd be upset at the position change, though, messing with your delicate flower's psyche. ;-)

Thank you, Evans, for saving my fantasy team an error.

19. AJMcCringleberry Posted: August 29, 2011 at 11:49 PM (#3911874)

The race for the batting title has gotten interesting while Reyes was hurt. Braun only .002 behind.

If Kemp can win the HR and RBI title I'm rooting for him to win the batting title (he's at .320 now).

20. Sam M. Posted: August 29, 2011 at 11:50 PM (#3911876)

I was sure you'd be upset at the position change, though, messing with your delicate flower's psyche.

Jut for future reference: I am the delicate flower in our relationship. David is the rock solid, steady one.

21. Adam Starblind Posted: August 30, 2011 at 12:17 AM (#3911888)

I ####### HATE Parnell. He's the sort of guy who gets a million chances just because he throws hard. But the thing of it is, guys who throw hard with little command and no secondary pitches are a dime a dozen. Yet, everyone thinks THEIR guy is gonna turn out to be a bullpen ace. It's so annoying.

Parnell has put up good peripherals. He deserves a chance to succeed on a team that hardly has a lockdown bullpen.

22. Adam Starblind Posted: August 30, 2011 at 12:19 AM (#3911891)

Where'd these blue unis come from?

23. Sam M. Posted: August 30, 2011 at 12:45 AM (#3911907)

I ####### HATE Parnell. He's the sort of guy who gets a million chances just because he throws hard. But the thing of it is, guys who throw hard with little command and no secondary pitches are a dime a dozen.

I'm with AD on this. First of all, Parnell doesn't just "throw hard." He throws HARD -- Verlander hard. The fact that he has pedestrian secondary pitches is why he's never going to be a starter, but it doesn't mean he can't be a solid closer, and it certainly doesn't mean he shouldn't be given the opportunity to develop into that role. A million chances? Of course not. But a solid set of chances as he learns and improves? Definitely. Second, by all accounts, he has taken advantage of the opportunity to learn from Isringhausen's presence this year, taking exactly the right attitude of the fact that Izzy saw his role as that of a wise old veteran with a lot of wisdom to impart, a role that Warthen has explicitly encouraged. One pretty good sign of whether a palyer might improve is whether he is open to hearing what a player like that has to say (see, for example, Reyes with Rickey Henderson a few years ago). It's no guarantee, but it's a nice indicator.

Parnell has some nice tools and solid potential, and indicators of future success. Not giving him a reasonable opportunity to develop would be pretty foolish.

24. Sam M. Posted: August 30, 2011 at 12:52 AM (#3911909)

Jim Callis was asked a great question today on BA: to rate the teams' 2005 drafts. It's a much more sane question than to take a shot-in-the-dark attempt to rate their 2011 drafts, when those careers are just getting going. Six years later, it's no longer so speculative. Here's what he said about the Mets' haul:

Hauled in two starters in Mike Pelfrey (1) and Jonathon Niese (7), plus Josh Thole (13).

Now, my question: assuming you haven't seen it, where would you think that would rate, according to Callis? Out of the 30 teams drafting, where do you think Callis rated the Mets' 2005 draft from which those were the major assets?

25. AJMcCringleberry Posted: August 30, 2011 at 12:54 AM (#3911910)

12th?

26. Lassus Posted: August 30, 2011 at 12:57 AM (#3911913)

17th

27. Sam M. Posted: August 30, 2011 at 01:02 AM (#3911916)

12th?

The Blue Jays were ranked 12th, based primarily on this:

After a slow start, Ricky Romero (1) has blossomed into one of game's top young lefties.

17th is almost exactly right. 16th.

28. Sam M. Posted: August 30, 2011 at 01:04 AM (#3911918)

The ump blew that call big-time. But geez, Jose. Catch the ball.

29. AJMcCringleberry Posted: August 30, 2011 at 01:06 AM (#3911919)

I guess they'd probably rank higher if that draft wasn't so stacked.

I'd rank the Giants first based on the fact that the Indians didn't sign Lincecum and the Angels didn't sign Posey.

30. Sam M. Posted: August 30, 2011 at 01:07 AM (#3911920)

I'd rank the Giants first based on the fact that the Indians didn't sign Lincecum and the Angels didn't sign Posey.

Nice.

31. Sam M. Posted: August 30, 2011 at 01:17 AM (#3911926)

If the Marlins had gotten the go-ahead run that way (an infield hit on a play the SS should have made, then a bloop single), I'd be steaming.

32. Lassus Posted: August 30, 2011 at 01:22 AM (#3911928)

God, I hate Willie Harris. Even moreso when he does well. Nice 28-hopper.

33. Elvis Posted: August 30, 2011 at 01:23 AM (#3911929)

Parnell was in that draft, too, in the 9th round.

34. Lassus Posted: August 30, 2011 at 01:36 AM (#3911939)

For ####'s sake, Acosta.

35. Sam M. Posted: August 30, 2011 at 01:36 AM (#3911940)

One nice measure of the improvement of the 2012 Mets will be if Manny Acosta is replaced by an actual major league quality pitcher.

36. Sam M. Posted: August 30, 2011 at 01:37 AM (#3911943)

This inning started so innocently. Walk. HBP.

Pitchers who won't/can't throw strikes make me feel things I really shouldn't feel. And then students suffer the next day. It's a bad thing.

37. AJMcCringleberry Posted: August 30, 2011 at 01:39 AM (#3911945)

Phew.

38. Lassus Posted: August 30, 2011 at 01:44 AM (#3911951)

Holy Crap. SNY where I am just went to a commercial in the middle of the inning. Anyone else having trouble?

39. Lassus Posted: August 30, 2011 at 01:46 AM (#3911954)

David's hitting .257?

Blech.

40. Lassus Posted: August 30, 2011 at 01:48 AM (#3911957)

WOOHOO!

Nice nothing double, David.

41. Sam M. Posted: August 30, 2011 at 01:53 AM (#3911965)

Nice nothing double, David.

That's nothing RBI double to you, pal.

42. Lassus Posted: August 30, 2011 at 01:55 AM (#3911967)

More Acosta? Lord save us.

43. AJMcCringleberry Posted: August 30, 2011 at 02:01 AM (#3911973)

To defend Acosta a little, he's not terrible.

And considering this is the second game of a DH and they don't have an off day for 3 weeks, they probably shouldn't burn through the bullpen.

44. Sam M. Posted: August 30, 2011 at 02:03 AM (#3911976)

# 43:

I agree with AJM's second point.

I couldn't agree LESS with his first one. Acosta really is terrible.

45. AJMcCringleberry Posted: August 30, 2011 at 02:09 AM (#3911981)

Hehe, Morrison missed that by 5 feet.

46. Lassus Posted: August 30, 2011 at 02:09 AM (#3911982)

Boy, Nick Evans has looked great lately - fun run of AB from him. Despite what I said earlier, I'd of course love for it to be some kind of signal.

47. AJMcCringleberry Posted: August 30, 2011 at 02:13 AM (#3911984)

Jose Ceda is terrible.

I can only imagine Sam's post if a Met did that.

48. Sam M. Posted: August 30, 2011 at 02:16 AM (#3911986)

I can only imagine Sam's post if a Met did that.

There would be no post. Only my obituary, after the massive stroke that killed me, one month shy of my 50th birthday ....

49. Sam M. Posted: August 30, 2011 at 02:22 AM (#3911991)

That last 92 MPH pitch from Parnell -- after a bunch of 100+ MPH fastballs -- is the reason he can be a terrific closer. Morrison had no chance.

Nice sweep.

50. AJMcCringleberry Posted: August 30, 2011 at 02:23 AM (#3911993)

Ballgame!

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