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1. Dock Ellis

Posted: July 10, 2011 at 05:50 PM (#3873591)

Matt Weiters is wearing a cartoon Orioles helmet that is obscured by his catching mask. Is that allowed, when it doesn't match the rest of his teammate's uniforms?

2. plink Posted: July 10, 2011 at 05:52 PM (#3873592)

This first inning situation seems familiar....

3. plink Posted: July 10, 2011 at 05:54 PM (#3873594)

Better results so far...

4. Dock Ellis

Posted: July 10, 2011 at 05:55 PM (#3873597)

And Reddick continues to endear.

5. Phil Coorey. Posted: July 10, 2011 at 06:01 PM (#3873600)

Morning, girls were having 4 am night mares so I might not be getting back to sleep.

How's Weiland looking?

6. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: July 10, 2011 at 06:02 PM (#3873601)

...and there goes the lead. Giving up a HR to the corpse of Derrek Lee is not a good sign.

7. Phil Coorey. Posted: July 10, 2011 at 06:03 PM (#3873603)

Walk and a homer - great

8. Dan Posted: July 10, 2011 at 06:05 PM (#3873605)

Why the #### are they throwing fastballs to Reynolds with 2 strikes? Nice pitch calling, cappy.

9. Textbook Editor Posted: July 10, 2011 at 06:05 PM (#3873606)

Eh, I wasn't expecting more than 5 IP/5 ER to be honest, it being his first start, etc.

10. Dock Ellis

Posted: July 10, 2011 at 06:05 PM (#3873608)

Yeah Weiland is not looking great. Walk, homer, ground-rule double.

11. Dan Posted: July 10, 2011 at 06:07 PM (#3873611)

I'd like to have a SS who can actually make plays to his right and then make a throw. Why hasn't Navarro gotten any PT at SS?

12. Dock Ellis

Posted: July 10, 2011 at 06:08 PM (#3873612)

I need to stop having my fantasy page open when watching a game. I'm streaming mlb.tv through apple tv and I'm at least 15 seconds behind.

13. Dan Posted: July 10, 2011 at 06:08 PM (#3873613)

Really shitty luck on placement this inning, in addition to the 2 hard hit balls.

14. Phil Coorey. Posted: July 10, 2011 at 06:08 PM (#3873615)

Speaking of corpses - Marco Scutaro is making a case. I just took another sleeping tablet so I won't be around long

15. Dock Ellis

Posted: July 10, 2011 at 06:10 PM (#3873617)

JJ Hardy is having an excellent year, at least offensively.

16. Phil Coorey. Posted: July 10, 2011 at 06:13 PM (#3873619)

Some killer dribblers here

17. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: July 10, 2011 at 06:13 PM (#3873620)

Sigh.

18. Dock Ellis

Posted: July 10, 2011 at 06:14 PM (#3873622)

Weiland is getting #####-slapped.

19. Dan Posted: July 10, 2011 at 06:14 PM (#3873624)

You ####### suck, Scutaro.

20. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: July 10, 2011 at 06:14 PM (#3873625)

Holy ####### #### are you ####### kidding me you ####### piece of #### ####### Scutaro just ####### throw to ####### first Guerrero is ####### slow as ####### ####

21. Dan Posted: July 10, 2011 at 06:16 PM (#3873626)

Seriously Scutaro, go #### yourself. Useless piece of ####.

22. Phil Coorey. Posted: July 10, 2011 at 06:17 PM (#3873627)

#### I hate Scutaro - he's useless out there

23. Dan Posted: July 10, 2011 at 06:17 PM (#3873628)

Seriously, how the #### is Navarro possibly as bad as Scutaro defensively or offensively?

24. plink Posted: July 10, 2011 at 06:17 PM (#3873629)

So, how many of these "singles to shortstop" are Scutaro's fault? Clearly Vlad's, it seems.

25. Phil Coorey. Posted: July 10, 2011 at 06:18 PM (#3873631)

That throw might finally get Scutaro benched - he's a horrible out there - wish this tablet would kick in - #### this

26. Dan Posted: July 10, 2011 at 06:18 PM (#3873632)

The first one would have been a tough play, but Scutaro didn't charge it hard at all.

The second one was 300% on Scutaro.

27. Dan Posted: July 10, 2011 at 06:19 PM (#3873634)

Sorry, the 2nd and 3rd, respectively. The first one was probably hit fault as well since he has 0 range to his right and had to lay out and had no shot at making a throw, but it also wasn't a routine play or anything.

28. Dan Posted: July 10, 2011 at 06:21 PM (#3873637)

Well at least he made up for one of the misplays.

29. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: July 10, 2011 at 06:21 PM (#3873638)

I'll take the HR, but he still sucks.

30. Captain Joe Bivens, Pointless and Wonderful Posted: July 10, 2011 at 06:22 PM (#3873640)

12 runs wins this game. Maybe 11.

31. Phil Coorey. Posted: July 10, 2011 at 06:22 PM (#3873642)

Well he owes one...

32. Dock Ellis

Posted: July 10, 2011 at 06:23 PM (#3873643)

If Scutaro's moves for a post-HR celebratory dance is any indication, it's no wonder his moves on the fields suck, too.

33. Dan Posted: July 10, 2011 at 06:26 PM (#3873645)

Pedroia has been hitting some ####### bombs lately.

34. Dock Ellis

Posted: July 10, 2011 at 06:26 PM (#3873646)

That's what's up.

35. Phil Coorey. Posted: July 10, 2011 at 06:27 PM (#3873647)

He's amazing

36. Dan Posted: July 10, 2011 at 06:29 PM (#3873648)

One more run here would really be swell.

37. Phil Coorey. Posted: July 10, 2011 at 06:29 PM (#3873649)

Speaking of corpses - Mike Cameron just homered

38. Dan Posted: July 10, 2011 at 06:32 PM (#3873653)

Hahahaha hell ####### yeah, YOUK!

39. Captain Joe Bivens, Pointless and Wonderful Posted: July 10, 2011 at 06:32 PM (#3873654)

I feel bad for this kid.

40. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: July 10, 2011 at 06:32 PM (#3873655)

6-6 in the second inning. Joe's #30 is looking prophetic.

41. Phil Coorey. Posted: July 10, 2011 at 06:32 PM (#3873658)

Holy #### !!! Youks!!

42. Dock Ellis

Posted: July 10, 2011 at 06:33 PM (#3873659)

12 runs and the second inning isn't even over yet.

43. Phil Coorey. Posted: July 10, 2011 at 06:34 PM (#3873660)

damn, why did I take the ambien?

44. Dan Posted: July 10, 2011 at 06:35 PM (#3873663)

Guthrie in relief???

45. plink Posted: July 10, 2011 at 06:36 PM (#3873664)

Well, the Sox starter lasted longer than the Orioles'....

46. Phil Coorey. Posted: July 10, 2011 at 06:37 PM (#3873665)

Let's not forget the gonzo double as well - great at bat

47. Dan Posted: July 10, 2011 at 06:37 PM (#3873666)

Using his #1 starter in the 2nd inning in relief reeks of desperation from Showalter.

48. Phil Coorey. Posted: July 10, 2011 at 06:38 PM (#3873667)

side session?

49. Dan Posted: July 10, 2011 at 06:40 PM (#3873668)

I thought Weiland's best pitch was supposed to be his curveball, yet we've seen no more than a half-dozen curves so far.

50. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: July 10, 2011 at 06:45 PM (#3873669)

I thought Weiland was mostly a fastball pitcher - that's the pitch that's looked major league quality in velocity, movement, and command. Maybe even plus.

51. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: July 10, 2011 at 06:46 PM (#3873672)

First impression - Weiland looks like our #3 reliever for the stretch run.

52. Dan Posted: July 10, 2011 at 06:47 PM (#3873673)

His fastball looks good down in the zone, but it seems like it straightens out when he leaves it up.

53. Dan Posted: July 10, 2011 at 06:47 PM (#3873675)

First impression - Weiland looks like our #3 reliever for the stretch run.

Agree.

54. Dan Posted: July 10, 2011 at 06:49 PM (#3873677)

Even when he strikes out Reddick usually looks like he's had a good AB this year, unlike in the past. He laid off of a lot of pitches there.

55. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: July 10, 2011 at 06:50 PM (#3873678)

If that ball doesn't bounce into the stands, Varitek would've had a triple.

56. Benji Gil Gamesh VII - The Opt-Out Awakens Posted: July 10, 2011 at 06:52 PM (#3873679)

Remember how dire the catching sitch looked in April?

57. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: July 10, 2011 at 06:52 PM (#3873680)

Even when he strikes out Reddick usually looks like he's had a good AB this year, unlike in the past. He laid off of a lot of pitches there.

Absolutely. Reddick has turned himself into a complete baseball player. It's cool.

58. Dan Posted: July 10, 2011 at 06:52 PM (#3873681)

Even when Drew gets all of it, it just doesn't get out of the park.

59. Captain Joe Bivens, Pointless and Wonderful Posted: July 10, 2011 at 06:52 PM (#3873682)

He leaps?

60. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: July 10, 2011 at 06:53 PM (#3873685)

Remember how dire the catching sitch looked in April?

Red Sox have a 105 wRC+ from their catchers, second best in the AL.

61. Captain Joe Bivens, Pointless and Wonderful Posted: July 10, 2011 at 06:53 PM (#3873686)

Wait, Weiland is up for good? Based on this?

62. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: July 10, 2011 at 06:54 PM (#3873687)

Remember how dire the catching sitch looked in April?

Also, remember when we were complaining about Russell Martin?

Salty: .757 OPS
Varitek: .751 OPS
Martin: .716 OPS

63. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: July 10, 2011 at 06:55 PM (#3873688)

Wait, Weiland is up for good? Based on this?

I very much doubt it. I think he may get a second start, in Lester's place.

I think that if the Red Sox can get their rotation vaguely healthy, Weiland's stuff right now puts him in the bullpen, not the rotation.

64. Fancy Pants Handle struck out swinging Posted: July 10, 2011 at 06:56 PM (#3873689)

Speaking of corpses - Mike Cameron just homered

If Scutaro's corpse is found in the harbor later today, one of you will give me an alibi, right?

65. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: July 10, 2011 at 06:58 PM (#3873690)

And I was talking up the fastball command. That was some bush league stuff right there.

66. Dan Posted: July 10, 2011 at 07:00 PM (#3873692)

What the hell have they been feeding these catchers? Did they put John Lackey on the same stuff?

67. Captain Joe Bivens, Pointless and Wonderful Posted: July 10, 2011 at 07:01 PM (#3873693)

The catchers, they had us fooled early on.

68. Captain Joe Bivens, Pointless and Wonderful Posted: July 10, 2011 at 07:02 PM (#3873696)

I actually like Saltalamacchia, which I find weird, given that I felt he was a complete nothing from the time they got him until a month or 6 weeks ago.

69. Dan Posted: July 10, 2011 at 07:09 PM (#3873698)

How weird is it that Pedroia is basically having his best season yet after spending 6 weeks not hitting a damn thing?

70. Captain Joe Bivens, Pointless and Wonderful Posted: July 10, 2011 at 07:11 PM (#3873699)

Yeah, I guess it's weird, but always remember that a season is 162 games LONG. Lots of ups and downs.

71. Dan Posted: July 10, 2011 at 07:11 PM (#3873701)

Just get the ball in the air to RF, Papi.

72. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: July 10, 2011 at 07:12 PM (#3873703)

I feel like this season has featured an atypical number of ups and downs, and the ups have been atypically high, the downs atypically low.

I keep meaning to find a way to study it.

73. Captain Joe Bivens, Pointless and Wonderful Posted: July 10, 2011 at 07:12 PM (#3873704)

I bet a change-up off an unprotected elbow would hurt.

74. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: July 10, 2011 at 07:13 PM (#3873705)

How would you do it?

I was thinking of looking at distinct 25-game stretches, and how many stretches of +10 games over .500 there were, or something along those lines. I don't know how I'd do it for the streakiness of the individual players.

75. Captain Joe Bivens, Pointless and Wonderful Posted: July 10, 2011 at 07:14 PM (#3873706)

The downs were used up after the first dozen games. I don't count the poor Lackey starts or the injuries to Buchholz and Lester as downs. I think the injuries will end up keeping them from burning out by September, especially Buchholz.

76. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: July 10, 2011 at 07:16 PM (#3873708)

You just can't overstate how much fun it is to have Big Papi back, being Big Papi.

77. Dock Ellis

Posted: July 10, 2011 at 07:16 PM (#3873710)

I feel like this season has featured an atypical number of ups and downs, and the ups have been atypically high, the downs atypically low.

I keep meaning to find a way to study it.

I'm sure many studies have already been done on manic depression.

78. Darren

Posted: July 10, 2011 at 07:17 PM (#3873711)

That was a very high change, should have crushed it.

79. Dan Posted: July 10, 2011 at 07:17 PM (#3873712)

How would you do it?

These graphs would probably be helpful.

80. Captain Joe Bivens, Pointless and Wonderful Posted: July 10, 2011 at 07:18 PM (#3873713)

I had Papi, Gaby Sanchez and Konerko on my roster, with 2 utility slots, with Adrian Gonzalez as my 1B. Who did I let go, and to FA? Papi. Duh.

81. Darren

Posted: July 10, 2011 at 07:18 PM (#3873714)

Agree with 76 a lot!

82. Chip Posted: July 10, 2011 at 07:18 PM (#3873715)

Ugh what a bad AB by Reddick.

Varitek not doing much better so far to dig a 1-2 hole.

83. Dan Posted: July 10, 2011 at 07:18 PM (#3873717)

Sorry, the graph linked in 79 was Pedroia's wOBA graph from Fangraphs.

84. Dan Posted: July 10, 2011 at 07:19 PM (#3873718)

Really should have gotten more than 1 run out of that.

85. Chip Posted: July 10, 2011 at 07:21 PM (#3873719)

Also Tek, you'd think after seeing Reddick sit on a first pitch fastball, only to get badly fooled by the offspeed pitch, that you wouldn't do THE EXACT SAME ####### THING.

86. Darren

Posted: July 10, 2011 at 07:24 PM (#3873720)

Jones is just an awesomely fun player to watch.

87. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: July 10, 2011 at 07:25 PM (#3873723)

Ejection? Are you ####### serious? There is zero ####### chance that was ####### intentional.

88. Dan Posted: July 10, 2011 at 07:25 PM (#3873724)

Are they seriously claiming that either Guthrie or Weiland hit a batter on purpose?

89. Chip Posted: July 10, 2011 at 07:26 PM (#3873725)

Do these umpires know anything about baseball? This is ####### absurd.

90. Darren

Posted: July 10, 2011 at 07:26 PM (#3873726)

Tough situation. It's teh pitcher's responsibility to be able to not hit the batter there.

91. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: July 10, 2011 at 07:26 PM (#3873728)

I cannot believe this.

What complete and utter incompetence.

92. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: July 10, 2011 at 07:27 PM (#3873729)

Between this and US-Brazil, the referees of the world are not having a banner day.

93. Fancy Pants Handle struck out swinging Posted: July 10, 2011 at 07:27 PM (#3873730)

I was thinking of looking at distinct 25-game stretches, and how many stretches of +10 games over .500 there were, or something along those lines.

The +10 criteria seems overly contrived. Why not simply use a squared deviation or something. That way you also capture the downswings, which you should be measuring as well.

Also 25 game stretches seem awfully long.

94. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: July 10, 2011 at 07:29 PM (#3873732)

The +10 criteria seems overly contrived. Why not simply use a squared deviation or something.

Yeah, that's way better.

95. DKDC Posted: July 10, 2011 at 07:30 PM (#3873734)

Does the NESN broadcast shed any light on what Francona is arguing here?

I don't think the ump has a choice after the Orriz bull rush and 4 hbps in two games.

96. Dan Posted: July 10, 2011 at 07:33 PM (#3873735)

They always have a choice. A HBP isn't an automatic ejection after a warning. It's supposed to be if he's throwing at hitters that the pitcher (and manager) get tossed. That clearly wasn't intentional. (Nor was the Guthrie HBP on Youkilis that spurred the warnings).

97. Chip Posted: July 10, 2011 at 07:35 PM (#3873736)

I don't think the ump has a choice after the Orriz bull rush and 4 hbps in two games.

You mean after Gregg instigated Ortiz going after him.

98. Chip Posted: July 10, 2011 at 07:38 PM (#3873738)

That was pretty impressive by Aceves.

99. DKDC Posted: July 10, 2011 at 07:39 PM (#3873739)

It's the third hbp of the game after a brawl two days ago and then retaliatory hbps yesterday. It's a no brainer.

Believe me, I wish the pitcher could have stayed in the game as well, but avoiding escalation is more important.

100. Fancy Pants Handle struck out swinging Posted: July 10, 2011 at 07:40 PM (#3873740)

I like Aceves.

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