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Orioles (62-89) @ RedSox (87-65), Monday, September 19, 2011, 7:10pm

BAL: Brian Matusz (24, LHP, 1-7, 9.84)
BOS: John Lackey (32, RHP, 12-12, 6.19)

The Primer Chimp Posted: September 19, 2011 at 01:00 PM | 537 comment(s)
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1. tfbg9 Posted: September 19, 2011 at 03:25 PM (#3929466)

It looks like this will be the Chatter for both games?

According to Vegas, the chance of the Sox winning Game 1 = 65%, and they have Game 2 chance of 72%.
That's what the lines say. So, chance of a Sox sweep of the O's today = 47%
Silly Vegas.

2. Benji Gil Gamesh VII - The Opt-Out Awakens Posted: September 19, 2011 at 04:25 PM (#3929524)

Weiland needs to be twice the man he used to be today.

3. Textbook Editor Posted: September 19, 2011 at 05:09 PM (#3929553)

I've seen games where all of the first 4 pitches to Hardy are called strikes.

4. Dan Posted: September 19, 2011 at 05:11 PM (#3929554)

Crawford scratched with a "stiff neck"? Wonderful.

5. Benji Gil Gamesh VII - The Opt-Out Awakens Posted: September 19, 2011 at 05:11 PM (#3929555)

Well, that was unexpectedly good.

6. Jose is an Absurd Sultan Posted: September 19, 2011 at 05:14 PM (#3929557)

Crawford scratched with a "stiff neck"? Wonderful.

I think you were sarcastic with that "wonderful" but is that really a bad thing?

7. TVerik - Dr. Velocity Posted: September 19, 2011 at 05:14 PM (#3929558)

Is this Baltimore's biggest game in years?

8. Dan Posted: September 19, 2011 at 05:16 PM (#3929560)

Weiland does look like he could be useful as a reliever, if nothing else. Good first inning.

9. Jose is an Absurd Sultan Posted: September 19, 2011 at 05:16 PM (#3929562)

Is it bigger for them than the LA/Tampa series they just completed? I'm not being snarky, I'm truly asking. Maybe it is, if that's the case then yeah, I would think so.

10. Textbook Editor Posted: September 19, 2011 at 05:17 PM (#3929563)

Crawford obviously spent too much time hunched over his laptop over the weekend, typing up his diary, and this affected his neck.

That doesn't, of course, explain the first 5 months of the season, but at least we've got the last couple of days covered.

11. Dale Sams Posted: September 19, 2011 at 05:17 PM (#3929564)

What the...Sox might score first in a game? What Bizarro nonsense is this?

12. Dan Posted: September 19, 2011 at 05:19 PM (#3929567)

I think you were sarcastic with that "wonderful" but is that really a bad thing?

When it means Darnell McDonald against a righty, yes. DMD has a .371 OPS vs RHP this season and a .595 career mark.

13. Textbook Editor Posted: September 19, 2011 at 05:21 PM (#3929569)

Yup, that's the Red Sox the last couple of weeks.

14. Jose is an Absurd Sultan Posted: September 19, 2011 at 05:21 PM (#3929571)

What the...Sox might score first in a game? What Bizarro nonsense is this?

Settle down Beavis.

15. Dale Sams Posted: September 19, 2011 at 05:24 PM (#3929574)

Weiland: "mmm, that's a humdinger."

16. Greg K Posted: September 19, 2011 at 05:26 PM (#3929576)

Who does the play-by-play for the Orioles? He sounds like that SNL guy's Obama impression.

17. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: September 19, 2011 at 05:30 PM (#3929580)

####### NESN cameras.

18. Dan Posted: September 19, 2011 at 05:30 PM (#3929582)

This camera guy can #### off.

19. Textbook Editor Posted: September 19, 2011 at 05:31 PM (#3929583)

Is it Gary Thorn? I find him just... I can't listen to him.

In fairness, I now mute about 50% of the away broadcasts I'm forced to watch on Extra Innings.

20. Greg K Posted: September 19, 2011 at 05:31 PM (#3929586)

Is it Gary Thorn? I find him just... I can't listen to him.

Oh sorry, I meant radio.

Speaking as a radio listener....WHAT THE #### REIMOLD!

21. Dan Posted: September 19, 2011 at 05:33 PM (#3929590)

In fairness, I now mute about 50% of the away broadcasts I'm forced to watch on Extra Innings.

You should get MLB.tv Premium instead. You can choose which feed you want for every game, and it's like $80/year cheaper.

22. Dan Posted: September 19, 2011 at 05:34 PM (#3929591)

Plus for $15 more you can get the iPhone app and watch any MLB game you want on your phone (other than games you're blacked out of because you're in their broadcast area), which is like the coolest thing ever.

23. Benji Gil Gamesh VII - The Opt-Out Awakens Posted: September 19, 2011 at 05:35 PM (#3929595)

Thorne bothers me too, though I can't pinpoint why. I really don't like his voice, even though he's got a good, rich, deep voice that I feel like I should like.

24. Benji Gil Gamesh VII - The Opt-Out Awakens Posted: September 19, 2011 at 05:36 PM (#3929596)

Weiland: "mmm, that's a humdinger."

LOL, Dale.

25. Dan Posted: September 19, 2011 at 05:36 PM (#3929597)

Already 0-4 with RISP, after going 7-40 with RISP in the Rays series.

26. Greg K Posted: September 19, 2011 at 05:37 PM (#3929602)

What is going on in LF?

27. Dan Posted: September 19, 2011 at 05:38 PM (#3929603)

Are you ####### joking, McDonald?

28. Jose is an Absurd Sultan Posted: September 19, 2011 at 05:38 PM (#3929605)

What's frustrating is it feels like we HAVE to score first, that if we get behind that's it, we're cooked.

29. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: September 19, 2011 at 05:39 PM (#3929607)

ARE YOU ####### KIDDING ME MCDONALD

30. Greg K Posted: September 19, 2011 at 05:39 PM (#3929608)

Oh well, at least he had a chance to redeem himself right away!

31. Answer Guy. Posted: September 19, 2011 at 05:40 PM (#3929611)

I'd like to see McDonald not on this team next season. It was a nice story in 2009, a lost season badly in need of nice stories, but he really does suck at nearly everything.

32. Dan Posted: September 19, 2011 at 05:40 PM (#3929612)

I think you were sarcastic with that "wonderful" but is that really a bad thing?

Well Jose, I think we can definitely conclude McDonald playing today is a bad thing, and it's only the top of the 3rd and he hasn't even batted yet.

33. Benji Gil Gamesh VII - The Opt-Out Awakens Posted: September 19, 2011 at 05:40 PM (#3929613)

*sigh*. Someone explain WTF just happened?

34. Jay Seaver Posted: September 19, 2011 at 05:40 PM (#3929614)

McDonald apparently can't catch baseballs and my sandwich has onions on it. This afternoon is not looking good.

35. Answer Guy. Posted: September 19, 2011 at 05:40 PM (#3929615)

Make that 2010. Not that 2009 wasn't in need of nice stories.

36. Jose is an Absurd Sultan Posted: September 19, 2011 at 05:40 PM (#3929616)

There are times when I'm glad I have to work and can't watch and it sounds like this is one of them.

37. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: September 19, 2011 at 05:41 PM (#3929617)

Well, can't blame McDonald for that one, at least.

38. Answer Guy. Posted: September 19, 2011 at 05:41 PM (#3929621)

No one is going to remember the 2007 Mets now. This is the new Wild Card era choke standard.

39. Jose is an Absurd Sultan Posted: September 19, 2011 at 05:42 PM (#3929622)

So we get 4 at bats with men in scoring position, we get nothing, they get one and it's 2-0.

This team is done. Tied in the loss column in 10 hours.

40. Textbook Editor Posted: September 19, 2011 at 05:45 PM (#3929630)

Someone needs to sacrifice a chicken or something; it's getting that desperate.

41. Answer Guy. Posted: September 19, 2011 at 05:46 PM (#3929634)

Theo to the Cubs? I thought those were silly rumors when I first heard them, but I imagine it's gotta be tempting now.

It doesn't seem like it matters if you win over there, or at least no one's expecting it.

42. ellsbury my heart at wounded knee Posted: September 19, 2011 at 05:48 PM (#3929639)

And then McDonald does that.

43. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: September 19, 2011 at 05:48 PM (#3929640)

Wow, McDonald HR off a rightie. However, you're still down one on the day, Darnell...

44. Benji Gil Gamesh VII - The Opt-Out Awakens Posted: September 19, 2011 at 05:49 PM (#3929644)

youneverknow

45. Answer Guy. Posted: September 19, 2011 at 05:49 PM (#3929645)

Hit another one and maybe we'll stop booing.

46. Dan Posted: September 19, 2011 at 05:49 PM (#3929646)

You still owe us one more run, Darnell.

47. Textbook Editor Posted: September 19, 2011 at 05:50 PM (#3929649)

#41 - Honestly, if they blow this, I could totally see Theo taking the Cubs job. Skips out, doesn't have to deal with the fallout coming (which I think will be way worse than some might think)... lotta upside to getting out now.

I say as compensation we make the Cubs assume Lackey's contract. (He doesn't have a no trade, so it works in that regard.)

So... Theo + Lackey's contract for... a bag of balls. That seems like a fair trade.

48. Dan Posted: September 19, 2011 at 05:51 PM (#3929650)

Theo to the Cubs? I thought those were silly rumors when I first heard them, but I imagine it's gotta be tempting now.

It doesn't seem like it matters if you win over there, or at least no one's expecting it.

He still has a year on his contract though. Even if he decides that he wants to go to Chicago, the Sox have no real reason to let him walk away from that contract.

49. Jose is an Absurd Sultan Posted: September 19, 2011 at 05:52 PM (#3929651)

Yup, this great offense will carry the team down the stretch!

50. Dan Posted: September 19, 2011 at 05:52 PM (#3929652)

Gonzalez has really sucked for the past week or so.

51. Dan Posted: September 19, 2011 at 05:53 PM (#3929654)

GIDP #26 for Adrian.

52. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: September 19, 2011 at 05:53 PM (#3929655)

I'm sure Gonzalez will get another hit at some point.

53. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: September 19, 2011 at 05:58 PM (#3929666)

...Robert Andino?

54. Dan Posted: September 19, 2011 at 05:59 PM (#3929670)

Booth interview as the season goes down in flames. Good job, NESN.

And Weiland is a reliever. Good to know.

55. Jose is an Absurd Sultan Posted: September 19, 2011 at 05:59 PM (#3929671)

Why are you surprised?

56. Jose is an Absurd Sultan Posted: September 19, 2011 at 06:00 PM (#3929672)

I always like to do a little Christmas shopping at my last game of the season. Get a couple of t-shirts for family or something like that...this year, no ####### way. They've got enough of my money.

57. Answer Guy. Posted: September 19, 2011 at 06:01 PM (#3929673)

What sucks about this is that being right about when to [metaphorically] piss one's pants is not ultimately satisfying.

58. DKDC Posted: September 19, 2011 at 06:01 PM (#3929674)

Hey, meaningful baseball in September! I'd love to see the O's make the wild card race a little more interesting, here.

59. Jay Seaver Posted: September 19, 2011 at 06:01 PM (#3929675)

Oh, for crying out loud...

60. Jose is an Absurd Sultan Posted: September 19, 2011 at 06:01 PM (#3929676)

Dear 2011 Red Sox,

#### you.

Sincerely,

Jose

61. ellsbury my heart at wounded knee Posted: September 19, 2011 at 06:01 PM (#3929677)

Awesome. Well, this seemed like a good team for a while. From May-July, they were amazing. Even when the pitching was bad, the offense was unreal. We'll always have those months.

62. Jose is an Absurd Sultan Posted: September 19, 2011 at 06:02 PM (#3929679)

The Wild Card race is over DKDC. Actually, that's not true, the Angels might catch Tampa.

63. Answer Guy. Posted: September 19, 2011 at 06:02 PM (#3929680)

At least we have the Patriots....

64. Jose is an Absurd Sultan Posted: September 19, 2011 at 06:03 PM (#3929681)

I said it during 2-10, I hope these guys at least have the decency to be as miserable as I am right now. If I'm going to be stupid enough to let a ####### baseball game ruin my mood all day the guys playing that game better have the same level of passion at least.

65. Dan Posted: September 19, 2011 at 06:03 PM (#3929683)

How this team hasn't put Aceves back into the rotation I do not understand. Weiland, Lackey, and Wakefield are all good bets to give up at least 4 runs on any given day.

66. Guapo Posted: September 19, 2011 at 06:03 PM (#3929686)

Anyone warming in the bullpen? (For those of us online)

67. Benji Gil Gamesh VII - The Opt-Out Awakens Posted: September 19, 2011 at 06:04 PM (#3929689)

Hey, fangraphs says we still have a 15% WE for this game! WHEEEE!!! [pisses pants]

68. The Original SJ Posted: September 19, 2011 at 06:05 PM (#3929691)

Thorne is a tremendous hockey guy. just amazing. but he is terrible at baseball.

69. Answer Guy. Posted: September 19, 2011 at 06:07 PM (#3929694)

Agree that Gary Thorne is a good hockey guy.

70. Benji Gil Gamesh VII - The Opt-Out Awakens Posted: September 19, 2011 at 06:07 PM (#3929695)

They'll get 1 or 2 back here, just to #### with us.

71. DKDC Posted: September 19, 2011 at 06:08 PM (#3929697)

I don't think Fangraphs WE takes into account that the O's are a bad lineup (missing two of their best hitters) and a weak bullpen.

The Red Sox WE is a hell of a lot higher than 15%.

72. Greg K Posted: September 19, 2011 at 06:09 PM (#3929699)

It's weird, I've only ever heard Thorne do hockey, and objectively I'm sure he's great but he seems to epitomize the American rather than Canadian approach to hockey commentating. I can't put my finger on the distinction (I probably am just imaginging it), but it always gets in the way of me enjoying him.

73. Answer Guy. Posted: September 19, 2011 at 06:09 PM (#3929700)

I've been hesitating to say I was done with this team because it sounds so silly and petulant. But at some point it's not worth it anymore. And I think we're there. See you guys next season.

74. Bote Man Posted: September 19, 2011 at 06:10 PM (#3929703)

Paging RayDiPerna, Mr. DiPerna please pick up the Red Sox courtesy phone in the dugout.

75. Dan Posted: September 19, 2011 at 06:11 PM (#3929705)

And now we're getting ###### by the umpire. We really needed that with how things are going.

76. ellsbury my heart at wounded knee Posted: September 19, 2011 at 06:12 PM (#3929706)

Looks like they would have had Salty at 3B.

77. Benji Gil Gamesh VII - The Opt-Out Awakens Posted: September 19, 2011 at 06:13 PM (#3929707)

Told you.

78. Jay Seaver Posted: September 19, 2011 at 06:14 PM (#3929710)

Assaultalamacchia!

(I don't know who on Twitter I'm stealing this from, but I like it as a break from "Salty!")

79. Jose is an Absurd Sultan Posted: September 19, 2011 at 06:15 PM (#3929711)

If nothing else Saltalamacchia has been a real find this season. He's not great but he looks more than acceptable as a catcher going forward.

80. ellsbury my heart at wounded knee Posted: September 19, 2011 at 06:16 PM (#3929712)

Wow. It just keeps coming.

81. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: September 19, 2011 at 06:16 PM (#3929713)

Didn't take long to give that run back.

82. Dan Posted: September 19, 2011 at 06:17 PM (#3929714)

Sure, Francona, just leave him out there to give that run back.

Real ####### pro manager.

83. Benji Gil Gamesh VII - The Opt-Out Awakens Posted: September 19, 2011 at 06:17 PM (#3929715)

Oh for ####'s sake.

84. Textbook Editor Posted: September 19, 2011 at 06:17 PM (#3929716)

So... aside from the whiplash, how was the game, Mr. Weiland?

Had I a chair I didn't care about, I would throw it. This team's not worth ruining a good chair over.

85. Jay Seaver Posted: September 19, 2011 at 06:17 PM (#3929717)

Wait, Weiland's still pitching and no-one's loosening in the pen? Has Terry just decided to save the bullpen for the Lackey game?

86. Jay Seaver Posted: September 19, 2011 at 06:18 PM (#3929721)

Great. MLB At-Bat is just far enough behind that I'm reading about disaster before I hear it.

87. ellsbury my heart at wounded knee Posted: September 19, 2011 at 06:20 PM (#3929724)

Do the Red Sox have Salty wrapped up for next year? They have an interesting situation with Lavarnway, Salty and Varitek next season. Varitek should probably be out, but would Salty have been as successful this year if he'd had to play every day? Lavarnway doesn't look like a good defensive catcher, but his bat seems legit.

88. Jay Seaver Posted: September 19, 2011 at 06:21 PM (#3929726)

Whoever is partnered with Joe today suggests that McDonald broke Weiland's confidence earlier today. I'd buy this, if Weiland were any good.

89. Dan Posted: September 19, 2011 at 06:22 PM (#3929727)

Do the Red Sox have Salty wrapped up for next year? They have an interesting situation with Lavarnway, Salty and Varitek next season. Varitek should probably be out, but would Salty have been as successful this year if he'd had to play every day? Lavarnway doesn't look like a good defensive catcher, but his bat seems legit.

Varitek has to go. He cannot throw the ball to second base. Either a Salty/Lavarnway platoon, or if thy don't think Lavarnway is ready, then sign a guy like Shoppach to platoon with Salty. Or Ronny Paulino. Some kind of catcher who hits LHP but sucks against RHP so he'll come cheap.

90. Johnny Sycophant-Laden Fora Posted: September 19, 2011 at 06:23 PM (#3929728)

According to Vegas, the chance of the Sox winning Game 1 = 65%,

No, the Vegas line/odds are impacted by actual betting- The Redsox have a far larger fanbase than the Orioles and therefor too many people are betting on the Sox and Vegas shits the odds to compensate- they want to minimize the payout in the event the Sox win the game.

91. Textbook Editor Posted: September 19, 2011 at 06:24 PM (#3929729)

Going into the year Salty had a little over 3 years of service time, so I think he's arb-eligible/controlled for 2 years after this one, if I'm reading that right.

On the plus side, I'll have loads of free nights in October to do things like re-connect with my family and friends, read, and even work more productively! Thanks, Theo!

92. Dan Posted: September 19, 2011 at 06:24 PM (#3929731)

Good to know that we have Lackey starting tonight in what has now become a must win game.

93. Ray (CTL)

Posted: September 19, 2011 at 06:24 PM (#3929732)

Paging RayDiPerna, Mr. DiPerna please pick up the Red Sox courtesy phone in the dugout.

Lol. Let's see how the game goes.

94. Ray (CTL)

Posted: September 19, 2011 at 06:25 PM (#3929733)

Good to know that we have Lackey starting tonight in what has now become a must win game.

If Lackey isn't a show stopper, I don't know what is.

95. Dan Posted: September 19, 2011 at 06:26 PM (#3929735)

You don't watch the playoffs when the Sox aren't playing? I'll still be watching. I'll probably root for the Rays to win it all. I wouldn't mind seeing the Phillies win again either.

A Rays-Phillies rematch of 2008 would be a good World Series.

96. Benji Gil Gamesh VII - The Opt-Out Awakens Posted: September 19, 2011 at 06:28 PM (#3929737)

Good to know that we have Lackey starting tonight in what has now become a must win game.

"What...? Wait a minute, that's Pedro Martinez's music!!"

97. Textbook Editor Posted: September 19, 2011 at 06:30 PM (#3929739)

#95--I don't watch nearly as aggressively, because in the end I just don't care who wins. I might check scores on Gameday and tune in at the end of a game if it's close, but that's about it. If the Phillies are in the WS, I'll probably watch the WS games, but only because they're the local team around my neck of the woods.

98. Ray (CTL)

Posted: September 19, 2011 at 06:30 PM (#3929740)

Seriously, tonight is not a must-win game, win or lose.

"Must wins" are "if we don't win this game, we don't have a shot in hell."

99. Textbook Editor Posted: September 19, 2011 at 06:33 PM (#3929742)

Also--and I'm sorry if this offends--but #### the Rays. I've hated them ever since they threw at Daubach 3 times in a game no damn reason, and frankly, my hatred for that franchise is second only to the Yankees.

My rooting interest would probably be with the teams that have never won (except the Rays): Brewers and Rangers. Mainly because a Brewers/Rangers WS would make Joe Buck fall asleep during one of the games, he would care so little... and then maybe that clown would finally get fired.

100. ellsbury my heart at wounded knee Posted: September 19, 2011 at 06:35 PM (#3929743)

Some kind of Lavarnway/Salty split would be cool, but Lavarnway would probably be on the small end of that split, and I don't know that a. the Sox think he's good enough at catching to handle that, and b. whether he'd be better served hitting every day in AAA. It's too bad he can't play LF or something - working him in with Crawford would give him more chance to play.

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