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Orioles (63-89) @ RedSox (87-66), Tuesday, September 20, 2011, 7:10pm

BAL: Rick Vanden Hurk (26, RHP, 0-0, 6.00)
BOS: Erik Bedard (32, LHP, 5-9, 3.50)

The Primer Chimp Posted: September 20, 2011 at 01:00 PM | 270 comment(s)
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1. tfbg9 Posted: September 20, 2011 at 06:24 PM (#3931006)

Vegas says our Sox have a 71% chance of winning tonight, and gives the Rays a 38% shot (BOS -245, NYY -164).
Now, why have Victor Mature and Richard Widmark suddenly sprung to mind? Hmm...

2. Dan Posted: September 20, 2011 at 08:39 PM (#3931127)

Kinda disappointing to see Lowrie sitting after he had such a good game last night. Might as well use him while he's feeling good and healthy, no?

3. Captain Joe Bivens, Pointless and Wonderful Posted: September 20, 2011 at 10:03 PM (#3931212)

Even the Primer Chimp is a pants pisser. The Sox have 88 wins, not 87. 89 after tonight, #######.

4. Miserable, Non-Binary Candy is all we deserve CoB Posted: September 20, 2011 at 11:04 PM (#3931253)

What in the hell is a "Vanden Hurk"?

5. ray james Posted: September 20, 2011 at 11:11 PM (#3931258)

Yankees/Rays is on MLBTV and I get the O's feed on here in N. Va.

6. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: September 20, 2011 at 11:13 PM (#3931260)

So, is this the biggest game of Erik Bedard's career?

7. ray james Posted: September 20, 2011 at 11:14 PM (#3931261)

Until the next one, probably.

8. Darren

Posted: September 20, 2011 at 11:15 PM (#3931263)

MC, how's that work coming? :)

9. ray james Posted: September 20, 2011 at 11:16 PM (#3931264)

Lord is Vlad slow. Anyone else and it's an infield single.

Aviles seemed slow getting his throw off too, though.

10. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: September 20, 2011 at 11:17 PM (#3931266)

yeah, the next two days are going to *suck*. My students better be ready to fill some time in Thursday's class, because I will not have a second hour of lecture.

It's all Tito's fault.

11. Darren

Posted: September 20, 2011 at 11:18 PM (#3931268)

Ric Flair? Wooo!

12. Darren

Posted: September 20, 2011 at 11:19 PM (#3931269)

Hey, I love Mike Avalees!

13. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: September 20, 2011 at 11:20 PM (#3931270)

I'm just straight-up rooting for the Yankees now. No second thoughts. I hate it, but I do not find that the self-hatred changes my rooting interest in the least. What about y'all?

14. ray james Posted: September 20, 2011 at 11:21 PM (#3931271)

I'm rooting for NY too. Jeter caught a line drive by the leadoff hitter and I even fistpumped.

15. ray james Posted: September 20, 2011 at 11:23 PM (#3931272)

That should have been a triple.

16. Darren

Posted: September 20, 2011 at 11:23 PM (#3931273)

Hey, Gonzalez made it all the way to 2nd? Wow. (He watched one yesterday.)

I'm rooting for the Yankees too. No worries about it.

17. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: September 20, 2011 at 11:23 PM (#3931274)

The Red Sox are allowed to score runs before their opponent now? This loophole in the rulebook could serve us well!

18. Dan Posted: September 20, 2011 at 11:23 PM (#3931275)

I'm just rooting for the Red Sox to win. If they win, everything will take care of itself.

19. Darren

Posted: September 20, 2011 at 11:24 PM (#3931276)

The playoffs trump all, of course, but I'd love to see Ortiz get his 30th.

20. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: September 20, 2011 at 11:25 PM (#3931279)

Seeing Mark Teixeira's eminently punchable face in the Gameday window and then feeling sad when he takes a strike, it feels so wrong. I'm a bad boy. a dirty boy.

21. Dan Posted: September 20, 2011 at 11:25 PM (#3931280)

I'm abstaining from rooting at all in the Rays-Yankees game. Obviously as a huge Red Sox fan it's in my interests to see the Rays lose so the Sox can lock up a playoff spot, but the issue is that I ####### hate the Yankees and I actually like the Rays.

22. Darren

Posted: September 20, 2011 at 11:25 PM (#3931281)

Nice music for Reddick.

23. Jay Seaver Posted: September 20, 2011 at 11:29 PM (#3931285)

Just got in and, whoa, what's with this first-inning-lead thing?

Also, can't bring myself to root for the Yankees. Until the Sox are mathematically eliminated from the division, I basically want the Yanks and Rays fighting to a standstill. If they could have an 18-inning game on Thursday that has bullpens depleted and players nursing minor injuries for the weekend series, that would be ideal.

24. Captain Joe Bivens, Pointless and Wonderful Posted: September 20, 2011 at 11:29 PM (#3931286)

Youse guys all need a couple of knife edges across the chest from the Nature Boy. WHOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

25. Darren

Posted: September 20, 2011 at 11:29 PM (#3931289)

Gonzalez slowed by a leg injury is just... ugly.

May I suggest that rooting for the Yanks would be easier if you didn't actually follow their game as it went along?

26. Darren

Posted: September 20, 2011 at 11:30 PM (#3931291)

I could tell right away that wasn't going out.

27. Dan Posted: September 20, 2011 at 11:31 PM (#3931292)

Pretty weak to only get 1 run out of that situation.

28. Darren

Posted: September 20, 2011 at 11:32 PM (#3931293)

Come on, Dan. They are WINNING! That's miracle enough.

29. Jay Seaver Posted: September 20, 2011 at 11:32 PM (#3931294)

22 - Has Reddick gone back to "Also Sprach Zarathustra"? He was using that in one game I went to, but switched to something more conventional in the next.

30. Captain Joe Bivens, Pointless and Wonderful Posted: September 20, 2011 at 11:33 PM (#3931296)

I thought that was Ric Flair's music.

31. Darren

Posted: September 20, 2011 at 11:34 PM (#3931297)

I have to say, I really like Bedard. I feel pretty confident with him on the mound. (no whammies!)

32. Dan Posted: September 20, 2011 at 11:35 PM (#3931298)

I mean it takes some serious effort to only score 1 run in an inning with 2 doubles, a single, and a walk.

33. Dan Posted: September 20, 2011 at 11:36 PM (#3931301)

It's also hard for me to root for the Yankees to win tonight's game with Nova pitching. I'd really like to see him come to earth instead of continuing to strand a zillion runners.

34. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: September 20, 2011 at 11:37 PM (#3931302)

I predict that Chris Davis will make contact on fewer than 25% of his swings tonight...

And as I'm typing he makes contact. Good work, Chris.

35. Darren

Posted: September 20, 2011 at 11:40 PM (#3931305)

Reddick had the theme from 2001 as his music, which I guess is that.

36. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: September 20, 2011 at 11:40 PM (#3931306)

Yankees score, up 1-0.

37. Dan Posted: September 20, 2011 at 11:42 PM (#3931308)

I mean Nova hasn't allowed any runs, but he's gotten 3 line drive outs, including one to Teixeira while doubled off Damon at first base. It's like he has a horseshoe surgically implanted up his ass.

38. Dan Posted: September 20, 2011 at 11:43 PM (#3931309)

Casey Kotchman is really not that great of a fielder. He just turned a routine sac bunt into a hit for Gardner.

39. Miserable, Non-Binary Candy is all we deserve CoB Posted: September 20, 2011 at 11:45 PM (#3931310)

[38] Technically, the umpire just turned a routine sac bunt into a hit for Gardner. He was out.

40. Captain Joe Bivens, Pointless and Wonderful Posted: September 20, 2011 at 11:48 PM (#3931312)

I could see a line drive killing that ball girl. How can they have her sitting so close when she obviously can't catch?

41. Dan Posted: September 20, 2011 at 11:48 PM (#3931314)

I guess. But Kotchman played it really poorly, giving them a shot at blowing it by making it that close of a play.

42. Miserable, Non-Binary Candy is all we deserve CoB Posted: September 20, 2011 at 11:49 PM (#3931315)

[41] Agreed.

Granderson clears the bases, 4-0.

43. ray james Posted: September 20, 2011 at 11:50 PM (#3931317)

"Also Sprach Zarathustra"

I thought it was "Thus Sprach Zarathustra"?

44. Dan Posted: September 20, 2011 at 11:50 PM (#3931318)

Wow, I just noticed the new version AtBat on the iPhone has trajectories illustrated from Pitch F/X data. That's really really cool.

45. Jay Seaver Posted: September 20, 2011 at 11:51 PM (#3931319)

I just copied and pasted from Amazon. For all I know, it could go by both.

46. ray james Posted: September 20, 2011 at 11:59 PM (#3931323)

I thought that second pitch was a strike.

But Vandenhunk seems to be getting squeezed to.

47. ray james Posted: September 20, 2011 at 11:59 PM (#3931326)

Hurk

48. ray james Posted: September 21, 2011 at 12:00 AM (#3931327)

Crap. I thought Ellsbury had a chance for that.

49. Dan Posted: September 21, 2011 at 12:02 AM (#3931329)

He wasn't positioned to have a chance at that. He was shaded towards left too much to get a ball hit that deep to the right of center.

50. Darren

Posted: September 21, 2011 at 12:02 AM (#3931331)

That was terribly ugly, keeping with their theme of looking like clowns lately.

51. Darren

Posted: September 21, 2011 at 12:03 AM (#3931332)

First Salty misses catching a foul tip to extend Andino's AB by about 10 pitches, then that. Sucks.

52. ray james Posted: September 21, 2011 at 12:03 AM (#3931333)

Reddick does that a lot. But he usually catches it. He was due to flub one. He isn't good at reading the carry.

53. Fancy Pants Handle struck out swinging Posted: September 21, 2011 at 12:05 AM (#3931334)

I mean Nova hasn't allowed any runs, but he's gotten 3 line drive outs, including one to Teixeira while doubled off Damon at first base. It's like he has a horseshoe surgically implanted up his ass.

I'd rather have the Yankees think he's the man, and have him lit up in the postseason.

54. ray james Posted: September 21, 2011 at 12:06 AM (#3931335)

So, assuming Kalish comes back healthy, who do you think has the leg up for right next year?

reddick has played pretty well but I like Kalish's game better. he's better defensively, seems to have more speed and controls the strikezone better. I think he'll with with enough power so there won't be much difference there either.

55. Dan Posted: September 21, 2011 at 12:06 AM (#3931336)

I still really like Reddick's defense. Fenway's RF really sucks to play for anyone, especially a guy with that little experience in the majors. His defense at Fenway will improve.

56. Fancy Pants Handle struck out swinging Posted: September 21, 2011 at 12:06 AM (#3931337)

I thought it was "Thus Sprach Zarathustra"?

Mix languages much?

57. Dr. Vaux Posted: September 21, 2011 at 12:08 AM (#3931340)

"Also" is German for Thus. "Also Sprach" = "Thus Spake."

58. Dan Posted: September 21, 2011 at 12:08 AM (#3931341)

Reddick has a better arm, similar speed (though he doesn't really know how to steal bases and Kalish does), similar defense, better health, more power, less contact ability, and a better track record of success in the majors so far. There is no way he doesn't have a huge lead on Kalish right now.

59. Darren

Posted: September 21, 2011 at 12:11 AM (#3931343)

Cripe. 71 pitches! He had like 25 coming into the inning! Make it end, please.

60. Dr. Vaux Posted: September 21, 2011 at 12:11 AM (#3931344)

So I guess Bedard isn't the savior.

61. Darren

Posted: September 21, 2011 at 12:12 AM (#3931345)

How many damn pitches can this team foul off? Who do they think they are? Even the "good" Sox starters can't last long in games because they run into these huge-pitch innings.

62. Jay Seaver Posted: September 21, 2011 at 12:13 AM (#3931346)

Well, crap. This isn't what the team needs.

63. ray james Posted: September 21, 2011 at 12:14 AM (#3931347)

If Reddick catches that ball...

64. Darren

Posted: September 21, 2011 at 12:15 AM (#3931350)

Not able to watch. What the heck is happening? He's out of the game? Just freaking great.

Don't worry, though, we have a great offense. It definitely score.

65. ray james Posted: September 21, 2011 at 12:16 AM (#3931351)

I don't think he has similar defense, Dan. He doesn't read the carry very well. The ball sails on him a lot.

That's the first one he's actually butchered but he's had to ole at the ball a lot when it carried father than he thought it would.

66. Textbook Editor Posted: September 21, 2011 at 12:16 AM (#3931352)

This is the sort of start I was worried we'd get from Bedard. It's sort of unreal he's our Game 3 starter should we make the playoffs.

67. Darren

Posted: September 21, 2011 at 12:16 AM (#3931354)

If Salty catches that foul tip....

68. Textbook Editor Posted: September 21, 2011 at 12:18 AM (#3931356)

So... Aceves this game? Or do we save him for a more higher-leverage situation?

69. ray james Posted: September 21, 2011 at 12:18 AM (#3931357)

Darren, because Reddick dropped the ball, Bedard ended up throwing over 50 pitches in the third. He was gassed. Andino's AB also burned him out.

70. Fancy Pants Handle struck out swinging Posted: September 21, 2011 at 12:18 AM (#3931359)

Not able to watch.

I can't take any more either. I'll check in later guys-

71. Walks Clog Up the Bases Posted: September 21, 2011 at 12:18 AM (#3931360)

Don't worry, guys. Wade Davis has labored through three tedious innings. He's thrown nearly 80 pitches and walked, I think, just one. The score is "only" 4-0, so that should tell you how tedious Davis has been so far.

72. Dan Posted: September 21, 2011 at 12:20 AM (#3931363)

I don't think he has similar defense, Dan. He doesn't read the carry very well. The ball sails on him a lot.

That's the first one he's actually butchered but he's had to ole at the ball a lot when it carried father than he thought it would.

I think he just needs more experience playing the ball off of major leaguers' bats. Guys in the minors don't get that same kind of carry when they don't square a ball up. I really think it's just a matter of experience.

73. karlmagnus Posted: September 21, 2011 at 12:20 AM (#3931364)

Same problem as in the Wake game. Two botched fielding plays produce run chances and prolong the inning until the pitcher collapses. Like Wake on Sunday, Bedard would have lasted longer and had much better results if the fielding wasn't so godawful. Beckett/Lester well rested on top form can overcome this, but the second tier can't.

74. ray james Posted: September 21, 2011 at 12:22 AM (#3931366)

That helps.

75. Jay Seaver Posted: September 21, 2011 at 12:23 AM (#3931367)

Gonzo the Great!

76. Dan Posted: September 21, 2011 at 12:23 AM (#3931368)

My concern with Kalish's defense would be that he tore his labrum, and was already not a great thrower for a big right field.

Adrian!!

77. Dan Posted: September 21, 2011 at 12:25 AM (#3931370)

Alright, Reddick, time to atone for your misadventure in RF.

78. Dan Posted: September 21, 2011 at 12:26 AM (#3931372)

Not the way to atone, Josh.

79. Darren

Posted: September 21, 2011 at 12:27 AM (#3931373)

Not now, karl. Nobody is in the mood.

80. Jay Seaver Posted: September 21, 2011 at 12:29 AM (#3931374)

Wait, has karl been banging the "defense let Wakefield down" angle since Sunday? Because that was the game that got a couple of my friends to stop claiming that Wakefield was unlucky vis-a-vis unearned runs.

81. ray james Posted: September 21, 2011 at 12:30 AM (#3931375)

km, will you stop making excuses for Wakefield, for Criminy's sake?

He throws too many passed balls. The wild pitches are a function of how he pitches. The stolen bases are a function of how he pitches. The big innings are a function of how he pitches.

He's not a good pitcher anymore. In the immortal words of Paul Anka "That's just the ####### way it is".

82. Darren

Posted: September 21, 2011 at 12:31 AM (#3931376)

I thought that was Bruce Horsnby...

83. ray james Posted: September 21, 2011 at 12:32 AM (#3931378)

Andino's a pain in the ass.

84. ray james Posted: September 21, 2011 at 12:34 AM (#3931379)

Here you go, Darren:

Paul Anka Band Meeting Rant

85. ray james Posted: September 21, 2011 at 12:37 AM (#3931381)

Atchison's done a nice job lately.

86. Darren

Posted: September 21, 2011 at 12:37 AM (#3931382)

Atchison, you are a good egg.

87. Dan Posted: September 21, 2011 at 12:39 AM (#3931384)

Apparently Bedard's ex-girlfriend's lawyer served Bedard with child support papers this afternoon before his start. Classy.

88. Dan Posted: September 21, 2011 at 12:42 AM (#3931386)

Call me crazy, but I feel like a guy making salaries in the millions shouldn't need to be taken to court to support his kid.

89. Jay Seaver Posted: September 21, 2011 at 12:44 AM (#3931388)

I like this Saltalamacchia fellow.

90. karlmagnus Posted: September 21, 2011 at 12:45 AM (#3931391)

Wake didn't pitch particularly well on Sunday, but his 2ER became 6 runs because of fielding errors (maybe 3 or 4 rather than 2 without, but over 6 innings, which would probably have won us that game.) The same happened to Bedard today. This is not a good fielding side, nor was 2010 in spite of incessant Theo propaganda that he was aiming for great fielding. Good pitchers on form overcome it, but bad fielding quickly makes a mediocre outing a rotten one. Lackey would be a lousy pitcher even with good fielding, but he's justified in some of his tantrums.

91. ray james Posted: September 21, 2011 at 12:45 AM (#3931392)

Call me crazy, but I feel like a guy making salaries in the millions shouldn't need to be taken to court to support his kid.

I wouldn't be so quick to be judgmental, Dan. She might be trying to take him to the cleaners. Until we know more, let's withhold judgment.

92. karlmagnus Posted: September 21, 2011 at 12:47 AM (#3931393)

Bet the GF lives in Florida.

93. Dan Posted: September 21, 2011 at 12:47 AM (#3931394)

I also think it's pretty scummy to wait till the day Bedard's coming back to pitch to serve him, so it is a sign that perhaps she is a #####. Or her lawyer is an #######.

94. Joel W Posted: September 21, 2011 at 12:48 AM (#3931396)

I've been doing family law stuff for the better part of a year, working at legal services. It's not necessarily so simple Dan. For the most part, child support is deducted directly from your pay check, and it's a fixed percentage of your income depending on both parties' income. You can look it up for each state, but I think it's pretty consistent. Anyhow, over a certain amount of income (I think in New York it's $500,000 per year) there are caps, and discretion and it gets a lot more difficult. So I don't know that you should infer necessarily that Bedard isn't paying.

95. Lassus Posted: September 21, 2011 at 12:49 AM (#3931397)

I also think it's pretty scummy to wait till the day Bedard's coming back to pitch to serve him, so it is a sign that perhaps she is a #####. Or her lawyer is an #######.

Also possible he deserves it. Who knows?

Also, WTF else does poor Adrian Gonzalez have to do to get you guys to win?

96. Walks Clog Up the Bases Posted: September 21, 2011 at 12:50 AM (#3931398)

I should have taken that $200 bet. *sigh*

97. ray james Posted: September 21, 2011 at 12:50 AM (#3931399)

Wake didn't pitch particularly well on Sunday, but his 2ER became 6 runs because of fielding errors

How about this sequence, km:

Single to CF (Ground Ball thru SS-2B)
Jennings Steals 2B
Wild Pitch; Jennings to 3B
Passed Ball; Jennings Scores
Groundout: 2B-1B (2B-1B)
Single to CF (Ground Ball thru SS-2B)
Walk; Longoria to 2B

I turned the game off at that point.

98. Miserable, Non-Binary Candy is all we deserve CoB Posted: September 21, 2011 at 12:51 AM (#3931401)

Turns out, "Vanden Hurk" is Dutch for mediocre ...

99. Dan Posted: September 21, 2011 at 12:51 AM (#3931402)

Hitting a grand slam here would probably help...

100. Darren

Posted: September 21, 2011 at 12:52 AM (#3931403)

K's on 3 pitches. Darn!

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