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Rays (84-67) @ RedSox (87-64), Sunday, September 18, 2011, 1:35pm

TBR: David Price (25, LHP, 12-12, 3.34)
BOS: Tim Wakefield (44, RHP, 7-6, 5.13)

The Primer Chimp Posted: September 18, 2011 at 01:00 PM | 158 comment(s)
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1. tfbg9 Posted: September 18, 2011 at 03:13 PM (#3928660)

BOS: Tim Wakefield (44, RHP, 7-6, 5.13)

We should win. Its a game against a good team, in September, with the playoffs in doubt. This is Tim's type of game to shine.

2. tfbg9 Posted: September 18, 2011 at 03:18 PM (#3928663)

...although I must point-out that Vegas has the Rays at about 59% to win. Silly Vegas.

3. Jose is an Absurd Sultan Posted: September 18, 2011 at 03:35 PM (#3928674)

Next three starters; Wake, Weiland, Lackey. I'll be at tomorrow nights game when they fall into a tie in the loss column.

4. tfbg9 Posted: September 18, 2011 at 03:45 PM (#3928687)

Don't worry Jose, Wake is as solid a starter as you could hope for in a huge ballgame on national TV. Pure icewater.

I expect: 7 IP, 4 H, 1 R, 0 ER, 6 SO, 2 BB...and a clutch W!

5. Dan Posted: September 18, 2011 at 03:48 PM (#3928689)

41% chance for the Sox to win? That seems at least 10% optimistic.

6. tfbg9 Posted: September 18, 2011 at 03:53 PM (#3928694)

The 4 lines I saw averaged-out to 7.2 to 5...so...7.2/12.2 = .59

Get it, Bivvo?

7. Textbook Editor Posted: September 18, 2011 at 05:00 PM (#3928753)

The DH tomorrow could well be the Waterloo of the season.

8. Benji Gil Gamesh VII - The Opt-Out Awakens Posted: September 18, 2011 at 05:37 PM (#3928776)

Wakefield's line today: 6 1/3, 3 R, 5 H, 2 BB, 5 K

9. Benji Gil Gamesh VII - The Opt-Out Awakens Posted: September 18, 2011 at 05:38 PM (#3928777)

Crawford on the bench in favor of Jackson. Certainly supports MCoA's take on the org's take on Jackson in yesterday's chatter.

10. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: September 18, 2011 at 05:42 PM (#3928780)

There isn't a better option, but having to run Salty out there to catch against a tough lefty is really tough for this lineup.

11. Jose is an Absurd Sultan Posted: September 18, 2011 at 05:42 PM (#3928781)

I'm confused, are we permitted to bat now? Don't we have to wait for the opponent to score twice before our batsmen get a turn?

12. Benji Gil Gamesh VII - The Opt-Out Awakens Posted: September 18, 2011 at 05:46 PM (#3928783)

Well now. Aviles power!

13. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: September 18, 2011 at 05:46 PM (#3928785)

This game is the highest pennant leverage game of the season.

If the Sox lose, they're about 17% to lose the WC to the Rays. If they win, it's about 3%.

14. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: September 18, 2011 at 05:48 PM (#3928787)

Based on different levels of projected quality:

(Sox good, Rays good)
Win: 3% / Lose: 17%

(Sox not so good, Rays good)
Win: 4% / Lose: 20%

(Sox bad, Rays great)
Win: 8% / Lose: 30%

15. Dan Posted: September 18, 2011 at 05:49 PM (#3928788)

Crawford doesn't catch that.

16. Benji Gil Gamesh VII - The Opt-Out Awakens Posted: September 18, 2011 at 05:55 PM (#3928790)

Man, it just occurred to me that the LH-ness of the current and likely 2012 team could be a significant factor in whether they hand the RF job to Reddick.

17. Dan Posted: September 18, 2011 at 05:55 PM (#3928791)

Dewayne Staats constantly says something that really annoys me. When Ellsbury bats, he says "Ellsbury, the 5th leading hitter in the American League..." When Kotchman hits, it's "Kotchman, the 7th leading hitter in the American League..."

If he's 5th or 7th, he's not ####### leading, is he?

18. Dan Posted: September 18, 2011 at 05:56 PM (#3928792)

Man, it just occurred to me that the LH-ness of the current and likely 2012 team could be a significant factor in whether they hand the RF job to Reddick.

Not really. He'll probably platoon with McDonald.

19. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: September 18, 2011 at 05:57 PM (#3928793)

Man, it just occurred to me that the LH-ness of the current and likely 2012 team could be a significant factor in whether they hand the RF job to Reddick.

They gave the job to Drew this year. I think the Sox will want to platoon him some, but given the Sox payroll and roster situation, I'd be shocked if anyone other than Reddick gets penciled in as the regular next year.

20. Dan Posted: September 18, 2011 at 05:57 PM (#3928794)

Hooray, Wakefield.

21. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: September 18, 2011 at 05:57 PM (#3928795)

And there we go. high knuckler.

22. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: September 18, 2011 at 05:58 PM (#3928796)

He just isn't a major league pitcher anymore.

23. Answer Guy. Posted: September 18, 2011 at 06:01 PM (#3928799)

I don't see how a loss today makes the Sox' odds much better than 50/50. It's just one bad starting pitcher after another after another.

24. Dan Posted: September 18, 2011 at 06:01 PM (#3928800)

But Ray told me his peripherals have barely declined, and the Sox should and will bring him back at the same salary next year!

And KM told me he'll pitch for another 7 years!

25. Dan Posted: September 18, 2011 at 06:02 PM (#3928801)

Wakefield is ####### worthless.

26. Jose is an Absurd Sultan Posted: September 18, 2011 at 06:05 PM (#3928803)

I'm so happy I can relax. This thing is sewn up.

27. Dale Sams Posted: September 18, 2011 at 06:06 PM (#3928805)

He just isn't a major league pitcher anymore.

I've said that for days. Including Tim's unearned runs, he and Lackey are probably the best 1-2 punch in the league. 1-2 being the worst and second worst in the league. Yet somehow, a cobbled together Doubront/Tazawa start is going to be worse then this? How am I supposed to watch a game in which the Sox arn't trying their hardest to win?

28. Dan Posted: September 18, 2011 at 06:06 PM (#3928806)

I posted this in the AL WC thread last night, and got no answers, so I'll try it here:

If Francona keeps such an even keel, why is it that in important games once the race gets tight, he suddenly decides he has to start throwing away outs on sacrifice bunts against struggling pitchers? They go all year bunting less than any other team in MLB, and now that they're in must win games, all of a sudden bunting is a good idea?

29. Dan Posted: September 18, 2011 at 06:07 PM (#3928807)

I don't know why they haven't given Alex Wilson a shot. At some point a young pitch they call up to start will not completely embarrass himself, right?

30. Answer Guy. Posted: September 18, 2011 at 06:10 PM (#3928811)

I almost don't want them to make it. Not only are they extremely likely to utterly stink up the joint should they back into the postseason, but another miss would at least force the team to re-evaluate things.

31. Answer Guy. Posted: September 18, 2011 at 06:11 PM (#3928812)

My partner just asked the question "Why am I doing this to myself?" He kinda has a point.

32. Dan Posted: September 18, 2011 at 06:11 PM (#3928813)

Another miss probably means the end of Francona in Boston, rightly or wrongly. Especially a loss coming in the form of a historic collapse.

33. Jose is an Absurd Sultan Posted: September 18, 2011 at 06:11 PM (#3928814)

Dan - Tito has done his worst job with this team this year largely because of some uncharacteristic stuff like you mention. I just think on the list of reasons this team is done he is far from the top. When your rotation spends a month with an ERA of about 9.00 and the offense has one good game a week I can't blame the manager.

But no, he has not done a good job this year.

34. Dale Sams Posted: September 18, 2011 at 06:12 PM (#3928815)

This English guy at SurvivingGrady was saying how he was going make all his betting money back by betting against the Orioles. I told him he was crazy and that he should bet against Tim. He said he'd never bet against the Sox before, and that he had never actually considered it.

Really? There are plenty of games in the past that I'd bet against them to create a win-win situation. This one being a 10/10 perfect example.

35. Dan Posted: September 18, 2011 at 06:12 PM (#3928816)

My partner just asked the question "Why am I doing this to myself?" He kinda has a point.

That's like asking "why you're doing this to yourself" when you're watching a family member dying in the hospital. At least for me it's like that. I'm emotionally invested in this team, it's not like I can just turn that off when it's going to mean bad emotions.

36. Jose is an Absurd Sultan Posted: September 18, 2011 at 06:12 PM (#3928817)

I don't think so Dan. I think one of his strengths, and one o the reins I like him, is he has a good partnership with his bosses. Unless Theo leaves I think Tito is back. As MCoA said about CoJack last night, I think most of what Tito is doing is approved by management.

37. Dan Posted: September 18, 2011 at 06:15 PM (#3928821)

I don't think the collapse has been entirely Francona's fault, but he gave away several winnable games during it, which is what has put them in this situation.

He just seems to have a lack of urgency to win games when the situation is good. Managers like Maddon and Girardi seem to be able to try to win every game without hurting the long term, yet all we hear about Francona is that he's "prioritizing the long view instead of using up the team in one game," etc.

A good manager would have this team still neck and neck with the Yankees, even with the pitching injuries.

38. Benji Gil Gamesh VII - The Opt-Out Awakens Posted: September 18, 2011 at 06:16 PM (#3928823)

Another miss probably means the end of Francona in Boston, rightly or wrongly. Especially a loss coming in the form of a historic collapse.

I would wager a large sum of money *against* that happening, short of Tito going on a drunked, expletive laced tirade or something.

39. Dale Sams Posted: September 18, 2011 at 06:17 PM (#3928826)

You knwo, for all Theo's supposed SABR acumen...I can't say I've seen it. Not in field decisions and definitly not in FA signings. AND Bill James is employed by this organization?

40. Jose is an Absurd Sultan Posted: September 18, 2011 at 06:17 PM (#3928827)

I'm so ####### sickened right now. These guys can go #### themselves.

41. Dan Posted: September 18, 2011 at 06:18 PM (#3928828)

To elaborate, I don't think Francona is a bad manager, but I think he's gotten complacent and rests on his laurels a bit at this point. I think it is time for a change in Boston to a manager that can get the team up for games more, and push each game harder for a win on that day.

And whether Francona deserves blame or not, when you're paying 150-180M per year for payroll, missing the playoffs 2 years in a row is unacceptable. Especially when you compound it with getting swept out of the first round in 2009.

42. Jose is an Absurd Sultan Posted: September 18, 2011 at 06:21 PM (#3928830)

Three games this month where we have gotten through three innings without multiple runs allowed.

43. Answer Guy. Posted: September 18, 2011 at 06:22 PM (#3928832)

I don't think they're going to make a change at manager after this year unless Theo leaves and Tito decides it's time to walk away at the same time since the new GM is probably going to want his own guy in the manager's chair.

Assuming that doesn't happen, I do think there's a "the pressure is on" atmosphere in April. They earned a pass with the titles but I think at this point that's been spent up.

44. Jose is an Absurd Sultan Posted: September 18, 2011 at 06:24 PM (#3928834)

150-180M per year for payroll, missing the playoffs 2 years in a row is unacceptable

Agreed but if there are going to be fall guys I think it should be the pieces of #### on the field. Notably Lackey should be told he does not have a starting job next year ad if he doesn't like it he can retire and forfeit his salary.

I don't think they rent playing hard, they just are failing spectacularly.

But really, I just hope someone tells me in condescending fashion what a pants pisser I'm being, thats been fun. Obviously I'm being ridiculous.

45. Benji Gil Gamesh VII - The Opt-Out Awakens Posted: September 18, 2011 at 06:25 PM (#3928835)

Take any team, basically erase their expected #3, #4, and #5 starters -- how many still have a .576 winning percentage at this point in the season?

I'm sure the now-infallible Joe Maddon would have had them at 100 wins already, right?

46. Jose is an Absurd Sultan Posted: September 18, 2011 at 06:27 PM (#3928837)

The Buchholz injury was a KILLER for this team.

47. Dan Posted: September 18, 2011 at 06:28 PM (#3928838)

Yeah, I'm arguing that Maddon is infallible.

I don't think Francona's job security is as bulletproof as you people seem to believe, that's all I'm saying.

48. Dale Sams Posted: September 18, 2011 at 06:29 PM (#3928840)

Take any team, basically erase their expected #3, #4, and #5 starters

3 and 5 are erased. 5 being Dice-K who *could* have been as big a stinkfest as Miller/Wake/Weiland/Lackey

#4 is Lackey and he's performing much like many of us said he would. Maybe not THIS bad, but bad.

So really the only erased one was Buchholz and management absolutlely knew that Lackey and Dice-K are explosive.

...and I've never said Maddon was infallible, I thought it was stupid of him to stick in Moore, and he almost paid for it.

49. Swedish Chef Posted: September 18, 2011 at 06:30 PM (#3928841)

Take any team, basically erase their expected #3, #4, and #5 starters -- how many still have a .576 winning percentage at this point in the season?
The Yankees have done well with CC + flotsam.

50. Dan Posted: September 18, 2011 at 06:31 PM (#3928842)

FWIW, Rosenthal claims "all bets are off" regarding Francona's job if the Sox miss the playoffs, around 50 seconds in.

51. Answer Guy. Posted: September 18, 2011 at 06:31 PM (#3928843)

Agree that the Buchholz injury killed them. But a team with these resources has to get something better than sub-replacement level pitching for an entire season.

52. Dale Sams Posted: September 18, 2011 at 06:32 PM (#3928844)

Very nice of Damon not to bust ass down the line and plow into Wake.

53. Dale Sams Posted: September 18, 2011 at 06:34 PM (#3928847)

As much as I complain, I'd hate to see Tito fired like this.

54. Dan Posted: September 18, 2011 at 06:34 PM (#3928848)

The Red Sox have a $4.25M option on Francona's contract for 2012 (as well as another option for 2013). I don't think they'll see it as a slam dunk decision to re-up him as one of the highest paid managers in the game if he's coming off a second season where his team misses the playoffs.

55. Answer Guy. Posted: September 18, 2011 at 06:35 PM (#3928849)

As much as I complain, I'd hate to see Tito fired like this.

Maybe. What I would like to see is Tito worry about individual games more often. Maybe if he thinks his job is on the line in a way he won't piss away so many games. I saw what looked like a lot of indifferent managing this season.

56. Dan Posted: September 18, 2011 at 06:37 PM (#3928852)

Line drive hits Price and bounces right into Longoria's glove. Of course.

57. Benji Gil Gamesh VII - The Opt-Out Awakens Posted: September 18, 2011 at 06:37 PM (#3928854)

The Red Sox have a $4.25M option on Francona's contract for 2012 (as well as another option for 2013). I don't think they'll see it as a slam dunk decision to re-up him as one of the highest paid managers in the game if he's coming off a second season where his team misses the playoffs.

Until I see anything even hinting that the FO is unhappy with the way that Francona has deployed the pitching options they've given him, I think this is wild speculation.

58. Dan Posted: September 18, 2011 at 06:38 PM (#3928856)

Maybe. What I would like to see is Tito worry about individual games more often. Maybe if he thinks his job is on the line in a way he won't piss away so many games. I saw what looked like a lot of indifferent managing this season.

This is what I was trying to say. Too often he gives away games that are very winnable by not going for the throat. It's infuriating. It was easier to justify when they had a comfortable lead, but I bet he'd like to have some of those decisions back now.

59. Benji Gil Gamesh VII - The Opt-Out Awakens Posted: September 18, 2011 at 06:41 PM (#3928859)

Predict he will finish this inning and then be replaced.

60. Jose is an Absurd Sultan Posted: September 18, 2011 at 06:41 PM (#3928860)

I saw what looked like a lot of indifferent managing this season.

I think "indifferent" would be "confident" if this team hadn't spit the bit in the last two weeks. If Bard seals those two Toronto games and they still have a 4 game lead after this loss I think we'd be praising his calm demeanor. When your one decent set up reliever is 2-8 you are giving away an awful lot of games where the manager did the right thing.

61. Dan Posted: September 18, 2011 at 06:44 PM (#3928863)

So after Bard comes in, it's the right thing to stick with him even if he's blowing the game and has nothing? Both Toronto games unfolded slowly enough to get Papelbon warmed and into the game, and Francona sat on his hands. I don't remember the other losses specifically, but I doubt all 6 of them happened so quickly that he couldn't have acted similarly. That's a guy who isn't managing with enough urgency to win, and is instead content to just push his rote buttons and watch what happens. Okay, we have the lead. Bard in the 8th, Papelbon in the 9th, no matter what happens.

62. Jose is an Absurd Sultan Posted: September 18, 2011 at 06:46 PM (#3928865)

Not necessarily but the point is that the player, not the manager, is the one creating the situation. Francona didn't help but the blame pie goes;

Bard

Francona

In those games for me.

63. Dan Posted: September 18, 2011 at 06:47 PM (#3928867)

It's understandable how bad our LFers are at fielding in front of the Monster. I mean this isn't our home park, and it can be tough to adapt to these parks on the road, right?

64. Answer Guy. Posted: September 18, 2011 at 06:49 PM (#3928871)

Ugh, that Crawford deal is bad.

The list of things he can't do at all is too long for him to be one of the highest paid OFs in baseball.

65. Benji Gil Gamesh VII - The Opt-Out Awakens Posted: September 18, 2011 at 06:50 PM (#3928872)

Crawford isn't in LF today.

66. Dan Posted: September 18, 2011 at 06:51 PM (#3928873)

Crawford isn't in LF today.

Because he can't hit lefties.

67. Jose is an Absurd Sultan Posted: September 18, 2011 at 06:51 PM (#3928874)

So I'm open to suggestions. I've got a $1,200 deposit on next year's season tickets apparently so how do I spend it? I kind of want a new futon for my guest room/den but I'm thinking about something more fun than that.

68. Dale Sams Posted: September 18, 2011 at 06:52 PM (#3928875)

one of the highest paid OFs in baseball.

"one of"?

69. Benji Gil Gamesh VII - The Opt-Out Awakens Posted: September 18, 2011 at 06:53 PM (#3928876)

So I'm open to suggestions. I've got a $1,200 deposit on next year's season tickets apparently so how do I spend it? I kind of want a new futon for my guest room/den but I'm thinking about something more fun than that.

Buy Yankee tickets.

70. Jose is an Absurd Sultan Posted: September 18, 2011 at 06:54 PM (#3928877)

In fairness Conor Jackson probably has as little time in front of the Monster as any left fielder in this game.

71. Dan Posted: September 18, 2011 at 06:54 PM (#3928878)

You should buy an iPad and a new TV.

72. Jose is an Absurd Sultan Posted: September 18, 2011 at 06:56 PM (#3928881)

Got an iPad, the TV is not a bad idea.

73. Dan Posted: September 18, 2011 at 06:58 PM (#3928883)

Yankees are down 3-0 to the Blue Jays. They're in a miserable rut themselves. And their starting pitching has been bad (not Red Sox bad, but bad enough to make them concerned about the playoff rotation).

Garcia didn't make it out of the 5th today. Only allowed 3 runs, but on 5 hits, 3 walks, and 2 homers.

74. Dale Sams Posted: September 18, 2011 at 06:58 PM (#3928884)

The funny thing is that it's finally got so bad that even if the Sox win their first game tomorrow, the "See! I told you it was wrapped up!" guys won't make an appearance.

75. Benji Gil Gamesh VII - The Opt-Out Awakens Posted: September 18, 2011 at 06:58 PM (#3928886)

That was ball 4.

76. Answer Guy. Posted: September 18, 2011 at 06:58 PM (#3928887)

I wasn't sure whether or not Crawford was #1 in salary at this point. That is serious GM malpractice.

77. Jose is an Absurd Sultan Posted: September 18, 2011 at 06:59 PM (#3928889)

Yankees are down 3-0 to the Blue Jays. They're in a miserable rut themselves. And their starting pitching has been bad (not Red Sox bad, but bad enough to make them concerned about the playoff rotation).

Yeah, all of a sudden the "Rays have 7 against New York while we have 7 against Baltimore" meme has gone away.

78. Dan Posted: September 18, 2011 at 07:02 PM (#3928894)

0-12 with RISP since Yesterday.

79. Answer Guy. Posted: September 18, 2011 at 07:02 PM (#3928895)

Yeah, all of a sudden the "Rays have 7 against New York while we have 7 against Baltimore" meme has gone away.

Another issue is how many of those games against New York are actually going to be against Scranton. Not as many as feared since the Yankees don't quite the cushion they might have wanted.

80. Dan Posted: September 18, 2011 at 07:05 PM (#3928898)

Got an iPad, the TV is not a bad idea.

In that case you should buy me the iPad, and yourself a TV.

That double just makes me wish McDonald had hit last night instead of Jackson.

81. Answer Guy. Posted: September 18, 2011 at 07:05 PM (#3928899)

0-12 with RISP since Yesterday.

I stopped watching. Not worth it.

82. Benji Gil Gamesh VII - The Opt-Out Awakens Posted: September 18, 2011 at 07:05 PM (#3928900)

That's a great swing.

83. Dale Sams Posted: September 18, 2011 at 07:06 PM (#3928902)

Price definitly doesn't have it. Who knows...stranger things have happened.

84. Dan Posted: September 18, 2011 at 07:08 PM (#3928903)

Price definitly doesn't have it. Who knows...stranger things have happened.

Price has really not been that great this season. He has good K and BB numbers, but he's giving up a lot more hard contact than last season. His ERA was up to 111 entering today, but it was at around 93 a few weeks ago.

85. Dale Sams Posted: September 18, 2011 at 07:10 PM (#3928904)

Hey, if the Sox win, for the next 50 years Ray can say, "Hey Dale, remember that time you said the Sox were about 2% to win with Wake V. Price?", and I'll say "Yup, you were right, and I was wrong" Every time. He can put together a program that says it 1,000 times in a row and I'll say "Yup, you were right, and I was wrong" Every time.

86. Ray (CTL)

Posted: September 18, 2011 at 07:10 PM (#3928905)

I'm surprised many of you people are still alive to be posting here.

87. Dan Posted: September 18, 2011 at 07:11 PM (#3928907)

Not that a 111 ERA+ is bad, but his reputation outstrips that level of performance.

88. Ray (CTL)

Posted: September 18, 2011 at 07:11 PM (#3928908)

I figured a heart attack or wrist-slitting would have happened by now.

89. Dale Sams Posted: September 18, 2011 at 07:12 PM (#3928909)

I'm surprised many of you people are still alive to be posting here

Like Lucifer said to God, "I'm just sticking around to say 'I told you so.'"

90. Benji Gil Gamesh VII - The Opt-Out Awakens Posted: September 18, 2011 at 07:12 PM (#3928910)

And just imagine how bad Price would be if Tito were his manager instead of Maddon!

91. Ray (CTL)

Posted: September 18, 2011 at 07:13 PM (#3928911)

They entered the day with a 95% chance to make the postseason. A loss today (even if it happens) does not get them down to 40% or 50%. Please with this.

And they're only down 4-0. With a good offense.

92. Dale Sams Posted: September 18, 2011 at 07:15 PM (#3928913)

And they're only down 4-0. With a good offense.

4-2. The stupid thing is...I said that Darnell should be platooning Crawford. Now we can pretend he is, but really I still think Reddick is an upgrade over C.Jackson even against lefties.

93. Darren

Posted: September 18, 2011 at 07:15 PM (#3928914)

I think "indifferent" would be "confident" if this team hadn't spit the bit in the last two weeks. If Bard seals those two Toronto games and they still have a 4 game lead after this loss I think we'd be praising his calm demeanor. When your one decent set up reliever is 2-8 you are giving away an awful lot of games where the manager did the right thing.

Right, people would have. But since it didn't work out, it's "Oh well, can't blame him for the players not coming through."

That seems terribly incongruous to me. When it works he gets credit, when it doesn't, it's not his fault.

94. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: September 18, 2011 at 07:16 PM (#3928915)

What a horrible throw from Salty there.

95. Dan Posted: September 18, 2011 at 07:16 PM (#3928916)

A good throw would've had him. Ugh.

96. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: September 18, 2011 at 07:17 PM (#3928917)

What a pathetic #### show that was.

97. Darren

Posted: September 18, 2011 at 07:17 PM (#3928918)

Let's just hand them a run back.

They entered the day with a 95% chance to make the postseason. A loss today (even if it happens) does not get them down to 40% or 50%. Please with this.

You're more delusional than I thought if you thought it was a 95 percent chance coming into today.

98. Dale Sams Posted: September 18, 2011 at 07:18 PM (#3928920)

And just imagine how bad Price would be if Tito were his manager instead of Maddon!

Your alls memes are starting to ring hollow in the face of disaster....totally no offense :>

see. smiley-face.

99. ntr RdP Posted: September 18, 2011 at 07:19 PM (#3928922)

You're more delusional than I thought if you thought it was a 95 percent chance coming into today.

Exactly how are such percentages calculated?

100. Darren

Posted: September 18, 2011 at 07:20 PM (#3928923)

Why would they not have Sutton up over Spears? He can actually hit and would be a nice 3b.

Also, there's got to be a better option than Wakefield right now. Doubront, Atchison, anyone.

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