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1. tfbg9 Posted: July 18, 2011 at 06:27 PM (#3880350)

Tim Wakefield (44, RHP, 5-3, 4.74)

Loss.

2. Dale Sams Posted: July 18, 2011 at 10:45 PM (#3880627)

I think i'll listen to The Birds broadcast tonight, just for the tearz.

3. Phil Coorey. Posted: July 18, 2011 at 11:15 PM (#3880650)

I have meeting with the bank - certifiable lemons - should be back after 11 am (9pm). Pretty drained after the game yesterday in any case - imagine how the players must feel?

4. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: July 18, 2011 at 11:16 PM (#3880652)

Maybe if you held the bat like an adult does, Nick, you could hit the ball out of the park once in a while.

5. Dan Posted: July 18, 2011 at 11:20 PM (#3880658)

Apparently Reddick should stick to the OF corners. Yikes.

6. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: July 18, 2011 at 11:20 PM (#3880660)

What happened there? Bad read, ball carried like crazy, combination of both?

The ball did not look dangerous coming off Lee's bat. I'm guessing more the latter.

7. Phil Coorey. Posted: July 18, 2011 at 11:20 PM (#3880662)

Nice throw Scutaro - surprised it beat him as you lolly popped it in

8. Dan Posted: July 18, 2011 at 11:22 PM (#3880664)

Looked like a combo of bad wind and a bad read by a guy not used to playing center.

9. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: July 18, 2011 at 11:22 PM (#3880665)

Was a tough ball that Scutaro made a play on in the hole.

I'm really not seeing this "Scutaro is a terrible shortstop" thing that seems to have taken hold around here.

10. Dan Posted: July 18, 2011 at 11:23 PM (#3880666)

On the plus side, if the wind is really swirling around weirdly there then it'll probably #### Adam Jones. Check out that guy's UZR ratings in center. Yikes.

11. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: July 18, 2011 at 11:23 PM (#3880667)

(Yeah, my post implied it wasn't a bad read, and obviously it was. I just think that if the ball carries normally, Reddick catches up to it.)

12. Dan Posted: July 18, 2011 at 11:24 PM (#3880668)

I'm really not seeing this "Scutaro is a terrible shortstop" thing that seems to have taken hold around here.

Did you see that throw? He cannot make the throw from the hole without bouncing it. He doesn't have the arm strength. That is an issue.

13. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: July 18, 2011 at 11:25 PM (#3880670)

He made the throw. The guy was out. You don't get points taken off for bouncing the ball.

14. Dale Sams Posted: July 18, 2011 at 11:26 PM (#3880672)

He's been Lugoesque lately.

15. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: July 18, 2011 at 11:26 PM (#3880673)

I don't think he has a good arm for shortstop, but I'm not seeing unacceptable, certainly not "he needs to be benched for Navarro."

16. Dan Posted: July 18, 2011 at 11:27 PM (#3880674)

So you gain points for facing slow baserunners?

17. Phil Coorey. Posted: July 18, 2011 at 11:27 PM (#3880675)

Crawford still has it - great to see!!

18. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: July 18, 2011 at 11:27 PM (#3880677)

I wish the first Crawford at-bat after his injury could have been anything but an easy rolled-over bouncer to the second baseman. Seen way too much of that.

19. Dan Posted: July 18, 2011 at 11:27 PM (#3880678)

Are you seriously suggesting that having a shortstop that cannot throw the ball from the hole to first base on a line isn't an issue? Is that your position?

20. Dan Posted: July 18, 2011 at 11:28 PM (#3880679)

Rays put up a 3 spot on Burnett and the Yankees before making an out in the first after complete inability to hit last night.

21. Chip Posted: July 18, 2011 at 11:28 PM (#3880680)

I wish the first Crawford at-bat after his injury could have been anything but an easy rolled-over bouncer to the second baseman. Seen way too much of that.

Seriously.

22. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: July 18, 2011 at 11:28 PM (#3880681)

I missed the start of the broadcast. Is there a reason Ellsbury is playing DH? Just to give him a bit of a rest after the long game last night?

23. Dale Sams Posted: July 18, 2011 at 11:30 PM (#3880684)

Rays put up a 3 spot on Burnett and the Yankees before making an out in the first after complete inability to hit last night.

I don't care if he does get wins, I can't carry him on my fantasy team anymore,

24. Dan Posted: July 18, 2011 at 11:31 PM (#3880685)

I missed the start of the broadcast. Is there a reason Ellsbury is playing DH? Just to give him a bit of a rest after the long game last night?

Probably just a partial off-day since he plays basically every inning in CF.

25. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: July 18, 2011 at 11:32 PM (#3880686)

I think Scutaro can make the throw from the hole. He does it regularly. I don't think he's got a great arm, but I haven't seen that many missing outs over the season.

26. Dan Posted: July 18, 2011 at 11:32 PM (#3880688)

Sorry, Rays only scored 2. For some reason I had it in my head that Longoria scored on a single but he only made it to third. And then he managed to not score from third on a 3-6-3 double play.

27. DKDC Posted: July 18, 2011 at 11:33 PM (#3880689)

On the plus side, if the wind is really swirling around weirdly there then it'll probably #### Adam Jones. Check out that guy's UZR ratings in center. Yikes.

Sample size. He's perfectly adequate.

28. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: July 18, 2011 at 11:37 PM (#3880696)

Runners now 4-for-8 against Wakefield. What is Salty doing? Did Mirabelli just suck?

And my god is the ball carrying tonight.

29. Dale Sams Posted: July 18, 2011 at 11:37 PM (#3880697)

####### that ball IS carrying

30. Dan Posted: July 18, 2011 at 11:38 PM (#3880699)

Even on a day where the ball is jumping off the bat, Drew can't hit it past the warning track.

31. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: July 18, 2011 at 11:41 PM (#3880703)

That is one audible "let's go Red Sox"

32. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: July 18, 2011 at 11:41 PM (#3880704)

whuh? 18 inches off the corner at least.

33. Dan Posted: July 18, 2011 at 11:43 PM (#3880706)

Shockingly, Bergeson is struggling his second time through the lineup.

34. Chip Posted: July 18, 2011 at 11:43 PM (#3880709)

Man, did Bergerson get lucky on that 1-0 pitch to Pedroia.

35. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: July 18, 2011 at 11:45 PM (#3880711)

Sometimes the game works out for you. There are maybe three feet of space on the entire infield where a ball hit that hard becomes a hit, and Pedroia found one of them.

36. Dan Posted: July 18, 2011 at 11:45 PM (#3880712)

Time for Gonzo to bust out of this mini-slump.

37. Chip Posted: July 18, 2011 at 11:45 PM (#3880714)

Good call by Remy - Hardy needed to knock that ball down to keep the run from scoring.

38. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: July 18, 2011 at 11:46 PM (#3880715)

Great baserunning by Ellsbury.

39. Dan Posted: July 18, 2011 at 11:46 PM (#3880716)

Sometimes the game works out for you. There are maybe three feet of space on the entire infield where a ball hit that hard becomes a hit, and Pedroia found one of them.

Was an exact duplicate of the ball an Orioles hitter put through the 5.5 hole last inning.

40. Chip Posted: July 18, 2011 at 11:46 PM (#3880717)

Time for Gonzo to bust out of this mini-slump.

Well done.

41. Fancy Pants Handle struck out swinging Posted: July 18, 2011 at 11:48 PM (#3880718)

Time for Gonzo to bust out of this mini-slump.

I'll take the single there.

42. DKDC Posted: July 18, 2011 at 11:49 PM (#3880720)

Shockingly, Bergeson is struggling his second time through the lineup.

I'm shocked, he usually doesn't wait that long.

43. Phil Coorey. Posted: July 18, 2011 at 11:56 PM (#3880729)

Dusty well positioned again

44. Chip Posted: July 19, 2011 at 12:00 AM (#3880730)

Not exactly encouraged by that hit given that Crawford tried to pull a ball that was well off the plate and beat it into the ground as a result.

45. Dan Posted: July 19, 2011 at 12:00 AM (#3880731)

Exactly, Chip. It'll be a hit in the box score but that was another godawful swing.

46. Chip Posted: July 19, 2011 at 12:02 AM (#3880732)

Shouldn't Crawford be at third? He was the best position on the field possible to tell if anyone had a play on that ball.

47. Dan Posted: July 19, 2011 at 12:03 AM (#3880733)

Shouldn't Crawford be on third with how far that rolled away from Reynolds and Pie?

48. Chip Posted: July 19, 2011 at 12:04 AM (#3880734)

That too.

49. Dan Posted: July 19, 2011 at 12:04 AM (#3880735)

How do you take a 91 MPH fastball right down the middle for strike 3? and from a guy throwing 90% fastballs, no less.

50. Dan Posted: July 19, 2011 at 12:05 AM (#3880737)

Lee isn't even a good defender anymore?

51. Chip Posted: July 19, 2011 at 12:07 AM (#3880738)

Lee _may_ have had his vision blocked a bit by the runner there, but still.

52. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: July 19, 2011 at 12:08 AM (#3880739)

Derrek Lee kind of reminds me of an aging center in basketball. When you're that long and your body slows down, it gets ugly.

Good send. A better throw makes it close, but you always go for the run if you have a reasonable chance.

53. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: July 19, 2011 at 12:10 AM (#3880744)

Lucky lucky inning. Happy to take it.

54. Dale Sams Posted: July 19, 2011 at 12:11 AM (#3880746)

Just for the record, JD "14 million dollar HR" Drew's OPS at this point in 2007 was almost 100 points higher than Carl "Highest paid OFer in the history of Baseball" Crawford's is now.

55. Dan Posted: July 19, 2011 at 12:17 AM (#3880752)

Just for the record, JD "14 million dollar HR" Drew's OPS at this point in 2007 was almost 100 points higher than Carl "Highest paid OFer in the history of Baseball" Crawford's is now.

I'm more concerned about Drew's awful production this year. Or at least I would be if I didn't believe in Reddick as a replacement.

56. DKDC Posted: July 19, 2011 at 12:17 AM (#3880753)

So this will be out of the "weak hacking against mediocre ancient pitcher" playbook tonight. Good to know. Haven't seen that one for a while.

57. Dan Posted: July 19, 2011 at 12:19 AM (#3880755)

Reddick ####### golfed that one and it was still a bomb.

58. Mattbert Posted: July 19, 2011 at 12:22 AM (#3880756)

The boy's power is legit, I feel.

59. Dan Posted: July 19, 2011 at 12:26 AM (#3880758)

That was expected.

60. Mattbert Posted: July 19, 2011 at 12:26 AM (#3880759)

Robert Andino has a fantastic headshot on the CBS website.

61. DKDC Posted: July 19, 2011 at 12:28 AM (#3880760)

Nice, JJ. Let's ge a couple more.

62. Dan Posted: July 19, 2011 at 12:30 AM (#3880763)

Nice 2 strike pitch.

63. DKDC Posted: July 19, 2011 at 12:32 AM (#3880764)

Now you're talking. Gonna need 5 more to win this thing, though.

64. Mattbert Posted: July 19, 2011 at 12:32 AM (#3880765)

So this will be out of the "weak hacking against mediocre ancient pitcher" playbook tonight. Good to know. Haven't seen that one for a while.

Nice work.

65. Phil Coorey. Posted: July 19, 2011 at 12:32 AM (#3880767)

Wake sux

66. Dan Posted: July 19, 2011 at 12:33 AM (#3880769)

Now Drew is going to suck on defense too?

67. DKDC Posted: July 19, 2011 at 12:34 AM (#3880770)

#64,

;)

68. Chip Posted: July 19, 2011 at 12:35 AM (#3880771)

Tito desperate to get Wake his 200th.

69. Dan Posted: July 19, 2011 at 12:35 AM (#3880772)

####### pull Wakefeidl before he gives up a 3 run bomb to Reynolds. Jesus ####.

70. Dale Sams Posted: July 19, 2011 at 12:35 AM (#3880773)

Im gonna try and look up Wake's career ERA while ahead...it's gotta be up there.

71. Mattbert Posted: July 19, 2011 at 12:36 AM (#3880776)

A long leash here seems unadvisable.

72. Chip Posted: July 19, 2011 at 12:37 AM (#3880778)

31 pitch inning now. It's 1000 degrees out there. He's fried, Tito. Do him a favor and pull him now before you qualify him for a loss instead of a win.

73. Dan Posted: July 19, 2011 at 12:37 AM (#3880779)

####### PULL WAKEFIELD. THE TEAM WINNING IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN GETTING HIM THE #### WIN.

74. Dan Posted: July 19, 2011 at 12:37 AM (#3880784)

Go #### yourself, Francona.

75. Chip Posted: July 19, 2011 at 12:38 AM (#3880786)

Good job Tito.

76. DKDC Posted: July 19, 2011 at 12:39 AM (#3880788)

Woo! Nice fight, boys. you'll need to bust your ass to keep that lead though.

77. Phil Coorey. Posted: July 19, 2011 at 12:39 AM (#3880789)

Well done wake - well done tito

78. Dan Posted: July 19, 2011 at 12:42 AM (#3880791)

Great managing, great pitching.

This team has to go out and get a solid starter before the deadline. Stick Reddick in RF and go after pitching please.

79. Darren

Posted: July 19, 2011 at 12:44 AM (#3880795)

Tito doesn't care about Wake's 200th win. Getting the starter the win is ALWAYS of utmost importance.

80. Darren

Posted: July 19, 2011 at 12:45 AM (#3880798)

####### PULL WAKEFIELD. THE TEAM WINNING IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN GETTING HIM THE #### WIN.

... MR. PRESIDENT!

81. Benji Gil Gamesh VII - The Opt-Out Awakens Posted: July 19, 2011 at 12:48 AM (#3880801)

Palmer just suggested that the Sox might be looking at Francoeur.

82. Dan Posted: July 19, 2011 at 12:50 AM (#3880805)

Drew is down to a .630 OPS.

Regardless of whether the Sox would want him, Frenchy isn't going anywhere. The Royals think too highly of him to trade him for a reasonable return. They'll be asking for way more than he's worth.

83. Chip Posted: July 19, 2011 at 12:50 AM (#3880806)

Palmer just suggested that the Sox might be looking at Francoeur.

Jim must be stoned out of his mind.

84. Mattbert Posted: July 19, 2011 at 12:50 AM (#3880807)

Palmer just suggested that the Sox might be looking at Francoeur.

...and laughing, I hope.

85. Steve Balboni's Personal Trainer Posted: July 19, 2011 at 12:55 AM (#3880814)

I don't think it's getting Wakefield the win - I think it's dealing with a 16-inning game last night. The problem is that Wakefield just couldn't get the third guy out in the 5th inning. He had pitched pretty well in the previous three innings...what can you do? Luckily, this is the Orioles, so if they can keep it pretty close in the last three innings, they have a shot at pulling this out. But Wheeler is going to have to give them another inning, maybe two...

86. Darren

Posted: July 19, 2011 at 12:58 AM (#3880818)

I don't think it's getting Wakefield the win - I think it's dealing with a 16-inning game last night.

But it's happened sooo often when this wasn't a problem. This is nothing out of the ordinary for him.

BTW, I thought he handled Papelbon well last night. He wanted to use him for 1 inning and so didn't bother wasting him until he was sure he had a chance to win. That's a hard one for a lot of fans and media to grasp, so he was doing something he knew would be unpopular but he did it anyways. Kudos.

87. Benji Gil Gamesh VII - The Opt-Out Awakens Posted: July 19, 2011 at 12:58 AM (#3880820)

Not laughing, and not any more stoned than usual.

Guessing some non-Sox person said "Man, Drew stinks, I wonder if they've considered Francoeur?" to Palmer, nothing more.

88. Dan Posted: July 19, 2011 at 12:59 AM (#3880822)

Wakefield was approaching 100 pitches anyway. Even if he got out of the inning he wasn't coming out for the 6th. That wasn't saving the pen at all. It was 100% about Tito trying to get his starter the win. Francona will basically never remove his starter before 5 IP when the Sox are in the lead, even if the starter has completely lost it.

89. Benji Gil Gamesh VII - The Opt-Out Awakens Posted: July 19, 2011 at 01:00 AM (#3880825)

Oh yeah, and this regime has already had Francoeur, back when he was calling himself Shea Hillenbrand.

90. Mattbert Posted: July 19, 2011 at 01:00 AM (#3880826)

The problem is that Wakefield just couldn't get the third guy out in the 5th inning. He had pitched pretty well in the previous three innings...what can you do?

Could also note that if Pie hadn't reached after striking out, Wake gets out of the inning with Jones' homer being the only damage. Doesn't excuse the crummy pitching that followed of course, but them's the facts.

91. Textbook Editor Posted: July 19, 2011 at 01:02 AM (#3880827)

I've seen the "Red Sox might be interested in Francoeur" thing in a few places recently. I just don't see it. If there is one player in baseball you'd think the Red Sox would never, ever be interested in, it would be Francoeur. I mean, I'd believe they were in on Adam Dunn before I'd believe they were in on Francoeur.

92. Dan Posted: July 19, 2011 at 01:03 AM (#3880829)

Frenchy would be a cromulent platoon player in RF, platooning with Reddick I guess. But not a big enough upgrade to be worth anything in trade.

93. Mattbert Posted: July 19, 2011 at 01:04 AM (#3880830)

Also, maddeningly typical that the O's put up some crooked numbers against the Sox and Markakis is the one guy doing sweet fuhqall and thereby crippling my fantasy team even more. I hate that guy.

94. DKDC Posted: July 19, 2011 at 01:05 AM (#3880831)

I don't like where this is going...

95. Benji Gil Gamesh VII - The Opt-Out Awakens Posted: July 19, 2011 at 01:08 AM (#3880833)

WTF Adrian.

96. Chip Posted: July 19, 2011 at 01:11 AM (#3880837)

I'm blaming the HR Derby.

97. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: July 19, 2011 at 01:14 AM (#3880840)

I mean, Jeff Francoeur is a slightly above replacement platoon RF. If he costs nothing more than a minor league reliever or some cash, and the Sox think there's something wrong with Darnell McDonald, he's an upgrade.

98. DKDC Posted: July 19, 2011 at 01:14 AM (#3880841)

Wow I just never would've predicted that lead wouldn't hold...

99. Dan Posted: July 19, 2011 at 01:15 AM (#3880843)

Reddick up in another big spot.

100. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: July 19, 2011 at 01:15 AM (#3880844)

WTF Adrian.

The pitch was outside. Just this ump has been (occasionally) very generous on the outside corner against lefties.

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