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RedSox (89-71) @ Orioles (68-92), Tuesday, September 27, 2011, 7:05pm

BOS: Erik Bedard (32, LHP, 5-9, 3.50)
BAL: Zach Britton (23, LHP, 11-10, 4.44)

The Primer Chimp Posted: September 27, 2011 at 01:00 PM | 853 comment(s)
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101. Phil Coorey. Posted: September 27, 2011 at 11:45 PM (#3939644)

Does he win the MVP if they miss the playoffs?

He's insane

102. Jose is Absurdly Correct but not Helpful Posted: September 27, 2011 at 11:45 PM (#3939647)

Jesus ####### Christ he's been amazing.

103. Spahn Insane Posted: September 27, 2011 at 11:45 PM (#3939648)

104. Famous Original Joe C Posted: September 27, 2011 at 11:45 PM (#3939649)

Ellsbury! Wow.

105. Lassus Posted: September 27, 2011 at 11:46 PM (#3939650)

You're really 41, Lassus? You look good for that.

Thanks. Good genes. Both my parents were gym teachers.

And, for the record, because RB is so square as to warp time itself, it's only two earrings, one in each ear. 0-gauges, though.

106. Miserable, Non-Binary Candy is all we deserve CoB Posted: September 27, 2011 at 11:46 PM (#3939651)

M.V.P!

M.V.P!!

M.V.P!!!

107. Phil Coorey. Posted: September 27, 2011 at 11:46 PM (#3939653)

2-0 rays

108. Lassus Posted: September 27, 2011 at 11:46 PM (#3939654)

Jacoby is your savior.

109. Spahn Insane Posted: September 27, 2011 at 11:47 PM (#3939655)

Is that why I look old? I stopped wearing earrings 16 years ago.

110. Miserable, Non-Binary Candy is all we deserve CoB Posted: September 27, 2011 at 11:47 PM (#3939656)

Only primate I've ever met was phredbird, this year, he invited me to a game at Dodger Stadium since he gets tickets through work once in a while ...

111. Famous Original Joe C Posted: September 27, 2011 at 11:47 PM (#3939657)

So, yeah--kind of a fair-weather AL watcher here. Looking at Ellsbury's minor league stats, I see nothing to foretell the power surge he's had this year. (EDIT: Ellsbury hit that homer immediately after I typed "surge." You're welcome, BoSox faithful.) Any explanation? Different stance? Good juice? Anything?

I am as clueless as you are. If you'd asked me in April, I would have bet three months rent he'd never hit 30 homeruns in a season.

112. NJ in NJ Posted: September 27, 2011 at 11:47 PM (#3939658)

25, you guys make me feel young.

113. Jose is Absurdly Correct but not Helpful Posted: September 27, 2011 at 11:48 PM (#3939659)

Germ - he's always had an upper cut swing and I think he's just filled out a bit. Also he seems a bit more willing to cut loose the swing, think Bautista though not so dramatic of course. He's 27 so he's at an age where a breakout makes some sense.

114. Benji Gil Gamesh VII - The Opt-Out Awakens Posted: September 27, 2011 at 11:48 PM (#3939660)

And, for the record, because RB is so square as to warp time itself, it's only two earrings, one in each ear. 0-gauges, though.

OK so yeah, not *everything*.

115. ellsbury my heart at wounded knee Posted: September 27, 2011 at 11:49 PM (#3939661)

I didn't think Ellsbury would even hit 20, nor did I think Youkilis would turn into the elite hitter is is/was. That's why they don't pay me the big bucks.

116. Phil Coorey. Posted: September 27, 2011 at 11:50 PM (#3939662)

I've met lots of primates - four have even come out to Oz to hang - including Werr, SMK, J Leeds and most recently RB - we drank enough alcohol that day to poison a small village

117. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: September 27, 2011 at 11:50 PM (#3939663)

And, for the record, because RB is so square as to warp time itself, it's only two earrings, one in each ear. 0-gauges, though

Whatever hippie, shouldn't you be camped out and occupying Wall Street?

118. Dan Posted: September 27, 2011 at 11:50 PM (#3939664)

So, yeah--kind of a fair-weather AL watcher here. Looking at Ellsbury's minor league stats, I see nothing to foretell the power surge he's had this year. (EDIT: Ellsbury hit that homer immediately after I typed "surge." You're welcome, BoSox faithful.) Any explanation? Different stance? Good juice? Anything?

He has gone from using his power swing once or twice a game to every swing. He used to save it for 3-1 or 2-0 counts, etc. and use a slappy little swing otherwise.

119. Spahn Insane Posted: September 27, 2011 at 11:50 PM (#3939665)

Thanks, Biscuit. Be interesting to see if it carries over, or goes the way of Wade Boggs' power ca. 1987.

Don't think I've met the Boston primates, but I've met a whole mess o' BTF folk from elsewhere. Even roadtripped to Baltimore for the kevin/Andy/DiPerna/Nieporent summit a few years ago...

120. Dan Posted: September 27, 2011 at 11:50 PM (#3939666)

Plus he gained a lot of core strength rehabbing the rib injuries.

121. Lassus Posted: September 27, 2011 at 11:50 PM (#3939667)

They still let me sing in churches for money and temp for PR agencies with entire countries in South America for clients. I'm not exactly a San Francisco bike messenger.

122. Spahn Insane Posted: September 27, 2011 at 11:51 PM (#3939668)

I guess DiPerna counts as a Boston primate, now that I think of it. And kevin.

123. Benji Gil Gamesh VII - The Opt-Out Awakens Posted: September 27, 2011 at 11:51 PM (#3939669)

#113, there's also the fact that this year, especially in the second half, he just seems to hit everything on the screws.

It won't surprise me if he never matches or exceeds his 2011 HR total, while still being very good.

124. Miserable, Non-Binary Candy is all we deserve CoB Posted: September 27, 2011 at 11:51 PM (#3939670)

Bodie goes deep, 2-1 Rays!!!

125. Spahn Insane Posted: September 27, 2011 at 11:52 PM (#3939671)

Oh yeah, and Phil! Forgot about that.

126. Lassus Posted: September 27, 2011 at 11:52 PM (#3939672)

Even roadtripped to Baltimore for the kevin/Andy/DiPerna/Nieporent summit a few years ago...

I will forever regret missing that.

127. ellsbury my heart at wounded knee Posted: September 27, 2011 at 11:52 PM (#3939673)

This is a bad camera angle for judging the strikezone.

128. karlmagnus Posted: September 27, 2011 at 11:52 PM (#3939674)

61, and born in Britain too. Been following the Sox since I was at B-school in '72, so I've seen a LOT of these!

129. Famous Original Joe C Posted: September 27, 2011 at 11:52 PM (#3939675)

CoB, what's the Bodie reference for Martin?

130. Dan Posted: September 27, 2011 at 11:53 PM (#3939676)

Lavarnway looks better at framing pitches than Varitek or Salty to me. But I'm no expect. He's certainly gotten a few calls for Bedard today that I'm not used to seeing Sox pitchers get, but it could just be a generous umpire.

131. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: September 27, 2011 at 11:53 PM (#3939677)

I've met lots of primates - four have even come out to Oz to hang - including Werr, SMK, J Leeds and most recently RB - we drank enough alcohol that day to poison a small village

Phil was a comically outstanding host: I ate like a king, and partied like a rock star. Can't recommended a visit highly enough.

132. Miserable, Non-Binary Candy is all we deserve CoB Posted: September 27, 2011 at 11:53 PM (#3939679)

Even roadtripped to Baltimore for the kevin/Andy/DiPerna/Nieporent summit a few years ago...

Man, that's such a strange divide between "AW-HELL-NO" and "I-GOTS-TA-KNOW" ...

133. Benji Gil Gamesh VII - The Opt-Out Awakens Posted: September 27, 2011 at 11:54 PM (#3939680)

Rib injuries are the new market inefficiency.

134. Lassus Posted: September 27, 2011 at 11:54 PM (#3939681)

CoB, what's the Bodie reference for Martin?

Maybe he wants him shot in the head on a B-more streetcorner.

135. Miserable, Non-Binary Candy is all we deserve CoB Posted: September 27, 2011 at 11:54 PM (#3939682)

CoB, what's the Bodie reference for Martin?

You ever watch The Wire?

136. Phil Coorey. Posted: September 27, 2011 at 11:54 PM (#3939683)

I'm thinking of bringing Lu over next year as well - like the look of the schedule and what the Aussie dollar has been doing to the US dollar as well...

137. Famous Original Joe C Posted: September 27, 2011 at 11:54 PM (#3939684)

It won't surprise me if he never matches or exceeds his 2011 HR total, while still being very good.

Yeah, same here. I see him hitting like .290-300, 60 walks, maybe a .450-.475 SLG.

138. Famous Original Joe C Posted: September 27, 2011 at 11:55 PM (#3939687)

You ever watch The Wire?

I'm with you so far.

139. Miserable, Non-Binary Candy is all we deserve CoB Posted: September 27, 2011 at 11:55 PM (#3939688)

Maybe he wants him shot in the head on a B-more streetcorner.

Watch how they spit ...

140. Lassus Posted: September 27, 2011 at 11:55 PM (#3939689)

Philly up on Atlanta 3-0.

141. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: September 27, 2011 at 11:56 PM (#3939692)

I'm thinking of bringing Lu over next year as well - like the look of the schedule and what the Aussie dollar has been doing to the US dollar as well...

CHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNE

142. Famous Original Joe C Posted: September 27, 2011 at 11:56 PM (#3939693)

Watch how they spit ...

Will do. That's a good one!

143. Cowboy Popup Posted: September 27, 2011 at 11:56 PM (#3939694)

Watch how they spit ...

Wow, that's quite the connection. Have you been watching the Wire this season or did you recognize the spitting?

144. Spahn Insane Posted: September 27, 2011 at 11:56 PM (#3939695)

He has gone from using his power swing once or twice a game to every swing. He used to save it for 3-1 or 2-0 counts, etc. and use a slappy little swing otherwise.

Yeah, that's the way I envisioned him, from my limited frame of reference. I remember seeing a game summary from August or something and thinking "Wait...Ellsbury's got 24 homers? That slappy-hitting CF who can't stay healthy?"

145. Phil Coorey. Posted: September 27, 2011 at 11:56 PM (#3939696)

Andino really is a pain in the ass

146. ntr RdP Posted: September 27, 2011 at 11:57 PM (#3939698)

If R. Martin hates the Red Sox so much why did he just hit a home run against the Rays?

147. Phil Coorey. Posted: September 27, 2011 at 11:58 PM (#3939700)

Watch how they spit ...

That is beyond brilliant - just awesome

CHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNE

We should take in a Mariners game!!!

148. Cowboy Popup Posted: September 27, 2011 at 11:58 PM (#3939702)

Andino really is a pain in the ass

He's got a future Alex Cora feel to him. Maybe with less OBP skills.

149. Dan Posted: September 27, 2011 at 11:59 PM (#3939704)

Yeah, same here. I see him hitting like .290-300, 60 walks, maybe a .450-.475 SLG.

I think he's going to be walking more. The power spike should mean guys will start pitching him more carefully. I see him as maybe like .300/.380/.480 going forward.

150. Lassus Posted: September 27, 2011 at 11:59 PM (#3939705)

Our first batting champion just hit a solo homer, Mets tied up 2-2.

151. Phil Coorey. Posted: September 28, 2011 at 12:00 AM (#3939706)

Gotta run guys - off to Brisbane to see my brother - cheer (or should I say , curse ) them home for me

152. Gamingboy Posted: September 28, 2011 at 12:00 AM (#3939707)

Okay, I'm watching "Catching Hell", so, uh, I'll just judge what's going on in this game by how the Red Sox fans are reacting.

153. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: September 28, 2011 at 12:01 AM (#3939708)

Yeah, this is going to be another 5-inning special for Bedard/

154. Spahn Insane Posted: September 28, 2011 at 12:01 AM (#3939710)

26 pitches to 3 batters this inning?

155. Cowboy Popup Posted: September 28, 2011 at 12:02 AM (#3939711)

Another two out walk. And his pitch count is extremely high so far. This is exactly what the guys on MLB Network said he would do. That's kinda strange, I'm not used to analysts being right.

156. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: September 28, 2011 at 12:02 AM (#3939712)

Another two out walk. And his pitch count is extremely high so far. This is exactly what the guys on MLB Network said he would do. That's kinda strange, I'm not used to analysts being right.

Well, they weren't really going out on a limb. This is kind of par for the course for Bedard.

157. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: September 28, 2011 at 12:02 AM (#3939713)

Another two out walk. And his pitch count is extremely high so far. This is exactly what the guys on MLB Network said he would do. That's kinda strange, I'm not used to analysts being right.

Funny, I was about to say that this is exactly what I expected from Bedard after hearing the Sox Therapy guys talk: Effective but inefficient, gone in 5-6 IP.

158. Spahn Insane Posted: September 28, 2011 at 12:03 AM (#3939715)

I believe Markakis's facial hair should be referred to as "underbrush."

159. Rafael Bellylard: The Grinch of Orlando. Posted: September 28, 2011 at 12:04 AM (#3939716)

Finally figured out the picture-in-picture on my telly, have the Sox on one side and the Rays on the other. I'm settling in for some serious rooting and squirming.

160. Cowboy Popup Posted: September 28, 2011 at 12:04 AM (#3939717)

Well, they weren't really going out on a limb. This is kind of par for the course for Bedard.

They were mixing in the "he's not a competitor" talk, so I figured they were making it up. Looking at his game log, yeah, not hard to see this coming.

I saw him pitch extremely well when he was here in DC, he doesn't look like the same guy at all.

161. Famous Original Joe C Posted: September 28, 2011 at 12:04 AM (#3939718)

[149] That's possible, Dan. Certainly wouldn't surprise me.

At this point, I really only care if he doesn't give up runs. 5 IP, 2 R right now would feel like 7 and 1 would normally.

162. Dan Posted: September 28, 2011 at 12:04 AM (#3939719)

Hellickson really doesn't look sharp at all. Yankees might not break through here, but I think they're going to score at least 3 or 4 runs off him tonight.

163. Spahn Insane Posted: September 28, 2011 at 12:05 AM (#3939720)

The Braves really don't want to make the playoffs, do they?

164. Lassus Posted: September 28, 2011 at 12:05 AM (#3939723)

Okay, I'm watching "Catching Hell"

I have small enough faith in the human race as it is, I don't think I could even take that.

165. Spahn Insane Posted: September 28, 2011 at 12:06 AM (#3939724)

All right, flipping to Rays/Yanks. I trust you gents'll keep me posted on the Red Sox.

166. NTNgod Posted: September 28, 2011 at 12:06 AM (#3939726)

Our first batting champion just hit a solo homer,

So right at this moment:
Reyes .3345864 (1-2)
Braun .3339317 (game not yet started)

167. ntr RdP Posted: September 28, 2011 at 12:07 AM (#3939727)

Yankees load the bases w/2 outs but pop up to end the inning. Hellickson might have been pitching around ARod.

168. Rafael Bellylard: The Grinch of Orlando. Posted: September 28, 2011 at 12:07 AM (#3939728)

Yanks load bases w/ 2 out, Teix flies out to end inning.

169. Gamingboy Posted: September 28, 2011 at 12:07 AM (#3939729)

Odd that they'd begin a documentary about Bartman by talking about the 1986 World Series.

170. Dan Posted: September 28, 2011 at 12:07 AM (#3939730)

Damn. If that was 5 feet to the left it would've been gone.

171. Cowboy Popup Posted: September 28, 2011 at 12:07 AM (#3939731)

Britton's got nothing tonight.

172. Famous Original Joe C Posted: September 28, 2011 at 12:08 AM (#3939733)

A strange feeling to be pissed at Teixiera for popping out on the 1st pitch of an AB.

173. NTNgod Posted: September 28, 2011 at 12:08 AM (#3939734)

I saw him pitch extremely well when he was here in DC, he doesn't look like the same guy at all.

Bedard pitching at all in September is quite remarkable; he usually had Prior/Sheets level of consistency in being hurt when it came to September.

174. Cowboy Popup Posted: September 28, 2011 at 12:09 AM (#3939736)

A strange feeling to be pissed at Teixiera for popping out on the 1st pitch of an AB.

A glimpse into the life of Yankee fans for the next 6 years.

175. Lassus Posted: September 28, 2011 at 12:09 AM (#3939735)

So right at this moment:
Reyes .3345864 (1-2)
Braun .3339317 (game not yet started)

NTN, what ar the hit/AB numbers exactly? They can't actually tie, can they?

176. Spahn Insane Posted: September 28, 2011 at 12:10 AM (#3939739)

Odd that they'd begin a documentary about Bartman by talking about the 1986 World Series.

There's a Bartman documentary? Somehow I managed to miss this.

177. NTNgod Posted: September 28, 2011 at 12:10 AM (#3939740)

NTN, what ar the hit/AB numbers exactly?

You mean (entering tonight):
Braun 186 H/ 557 AB
Reyes 177 H/ 530 AB

178. Dan Posted: September 28, 2011 at 12:10 AM (#3939741)

That call was a ####### joke. And the umpire was baiting Lowrie to try and get him to escalate things and get tossed.

179. Cowboy Popup Posted: September 28, 2011 at 12:10 AM (#3939743)

He's been calling that pitch on both sides. Lowrie would be a real jackass for getting tossed on that. OK, he's moving on.

That being said, the zone is awful on the inside for righties tonight.

180. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: September 28, 2011 at 12:11 AM (#3939744)

####### umpires. Not because of the call (Bedard got a similar call earlier), but because of obviously exacerbating the situation.

181. Benji Gil Gamesh VII - The Opt-Out Awakens Posted: September 28, 2011 at 12:11 AM (#3939745)

Jeebus that pitch to Lowrie wasn't anywhere close.

182. Lassus Posted: September 28, 2011 at 12:11 AM (#3939746)

"Step your fat as back away from me, fat man," would have been a good response there, but perhaps not if he wanted to stay in the game.

183. Famous Original Joe C Posted: September 28, 2011 at 12:11 AM (#3939747)

Odd that they'd begin a documentary about Bartman by talking about the 1986 World Series.

Both (at the time) snakebitten franchises, both in Game Six (meaning there was a Dead Man Walking game still left), after the team seemed to have things clinched, both a singular goat in the public imagination, requiring just a single word ("Buckner", Bartman") to bring to mind exactly what happened to even the most casual fan - and to top it all off, neither one was nearly the biggest cause of their team's collapse.

184. Cowboy Popup Posted: September 28, 2011 at 12:11 AM (#3939748)

Man, look at Ortiz going 1st to 3rd.

185. Spahn Insane Posted: September 28, 2011 at 12:11 AM (#3939750)

Reynolds doesn't have a lot of range, does he? (Yeah, I'm back--Rays were on commercial.)

186. Famous Original Joe C Posted: September 28, 2011 at 12:12 AM (#3939751)

There's a Bartman documentary? Somehow I managed to miss this.

Done by Alex Gibney, no less.

187. Curse of the Graffanino (dfan) Posted: September 28, 2011 at 12:12 AM (#3939752)

If you're going to make a terrible call, might as well double down and try to bait the guy you called it on into getting ejected.

188. Cowboy Popup Posted: September 28, 2011 at 12:12 AM (#3939754)

Colon's magic pixie dust looks like it has worn out. Two on, no out in the third.

189. Miserable, Non-Binary Candy is all we deserve CoB Posted: September 28, 2011 at 12:13 AM (#3939756)

Wow, that's quite the connection. Have you been watching the Wire this season or did you recognize the spitting?

As someone who became a spitter because of my time playing baseball, I'd guess I'm slightly attuned to the art of it. Watching The Wire, I was immediately struck by how Bodie spit, just because it involves more effort than your usual spit, it's this fairly unique method where you form pressure between your tongue and teeth and kind of "squirt" the spit out between your teeth on the side of your mouth. It's not hard, per se, but it's more technically challenging.

Having recognized that, it was pretty simple to make the connection with Martin, since he does the same, relatively rare thing.

Besides, it's always best to strive to come up with non-obvious nicknames for players, even if they don't stick.

Better a Bodie that only I use, than everybody goes about calling him R-Mart or some other lazy, uninspired nonsense ...

190. Lassus Posted: September 28, 2011 at 12:13 AM (#3939757)

I think the pitch was fine for how big the zone has clearly been, too close to take. The ump shouldn't have been such a dick, though.

191. ellsbury my heart at wounded knee Posted: September 28, 2011 at 12:14 AM (#3939758)

Man, lots of Red Sox fans in Baltimore tonight.

192. veer bender Posted: September 28, 2011 at 12:14 AM (#3939759)

Has that been his regular punch-out move tonight? Haven't been able to watch the game closely, but saw that call. I'm wondering if the ump thought he was calling strike 2 and then got embarassed and escalated with Lowrie to cover it.

193. Gamingboy Posted: September 28, 2011 at 12:14 AM (#3939761)

Bucker really did have a epic stache back in the day. It really sticks out when they show you him without his hat.

194. Dan Posted: September 28, 2011 at 12:14 AM (#3939762)

Lavarnway!!!!

195. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: September 28, 2011 at 12:14 AM (#3939763)

THE LEGEND BEGINS

196. Curse of the Graffanino (dfan) Posted: September 28, 2011 at 12:14 AM (#3939764)

ROOKIE OF THE YEAR

197. ellsbury my heart at wounded knee Posted: September 28, 2011 at 12:14 AM (#3939765)

LAVARNWAY-BACK!

198. Phil Coorey. Posted: September 28, 2011 at 12:14 AM (#3939766)

Holy ####### ####

199. Cowboy Popup Posted: September 28, 2011 at 12:15 AM (#3939768)

Good thing they didn't start Tek tonight.

200. Jay Seaver Posted: September 28, 2011 at 12:15 AM (#3939767)

And suddenly, this looks like a Red Sox-Orioles game should!

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