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Royals (43-60) @ RedSox (63-38), Wednesday, July 27, 2011, 7:10pm

KCR: Bruce Chen (34, LHP, 5-3, 3.30)
BOS: John Lackey (32, RHP, 8-8, 6.28)

The Primer Chimp Posted: July 27, 2011 at 01:00 PM | 119 comment(s)
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1. Steve Balboni's Personal Trainer Posted: July 27, 2011 at 03:37 PM (#3886484)

Red Sox win, 9-4. Lackey looks crappy early, giving up four runs in the first four innings. Then, he settles in, Royals go scoreless the rest of the way, Lacket gives us 7 pretty good innings. Bard, Paps, 9-4.

By the way, I could totally be waaaay off on all this, but there is one thing we can all predict with certainty right now, hours before the game: Carl Crawford will probably suck.

He'll ground a single through the hole in the right side of the infield.
He'll strike out swinging on at least one "ball four".
Ground out unassisted to the 1B.
Ground out 4-3.

Friggin' Carl Crawford.

2. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: July 27, 2011 at 11:16 PM (#3887083)

Fielding is hard.

3. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: July 27, 2011 at 11:19 PM (#3887087)

Beautiful.

4. Dan Posted: July 27, 2011 at 11:21 PM (#3887088)

Way to pick up the defense, Lackey.

5. Do Not Touch Fancy Pants Socially Distanced Handle Posted: July 27, 2011 at 11:22 PM (#3887089)

Lackey looks crappy early, giving up four runs in the first four innings.

Optimist.

6. Phil Coorey. Posted: July 27, 2011 at 11:23 PM (#3887092)

Great to turn on and see it 3-0 already

7. Dan Posted: July 27, 2011 at 11:26 PM (#3887093)

Okay. We definitely need a starter. At least a Harden or Bedard, if not to go big and get someone like Garza, Ubaldo, or Billingsley.

8. Phil Coorey. Posted: July 27, 2011 at 11:28 PM (#3887095)

Ells is on fire

9. Benji Gil Gamesh VII - The Opt-Out Awakens Posted: July 27, 2011 at 11:29 PM (#3887096)

Els is just hitting *everything* on the screws.

10. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: July 27, 2011 at 11:29 PM (#3887097)

More Ellsbury power.

11. Dan Posted: July 27, 2011 at 11:29 PM (#3887098)

In division opponent news: Upton not in the lineup for the Rays tonight. He had a day off on Sunday, so he's most likely being traded.

Ellsbury!!!

12. Phil Coorey. Posted: July 27, 2011 at 11:29 PM (#3887099)

I'd be happy with Zambrano as well

13. Benji Gil Gamesh VII - The Opt-Out Awakens Posted: July 27, 2011 at 11:30 PM (#3887100)

(Jake needs a good nickname.)

14. Phil Coorey. Posted: July 27, 2011 at 11:31 PM (#3887101)

That's an impressive three run shot by Hosmer - the only bright spot in my fantasy team

Pedroia is ####### off the charts!!!

15. Dan Posted: July 27, 2011 at 11:31 PM (#3887102)

Ellsbury has as many HR as Gonzalez now. Why did Adrian stop hitting homers? I thought he'd hit for more power and less average in the second half, instead he's turned into a singles machine.

16. Dan Posted: July 27, 2011 at 11:31 PM (#3887103)

I'd be happy with Zambrano as well

Uh, Phil, I don't think you would. Zambrano has fallen off almost as badly as Lackey has. Check out his stats this season.

17. Do Not Touch Fancy Pants Socially Distanced Handle Posted: July 27, 2011 at 11:31 PM (#3887104)

Bop di bop.

18. Joel W Posted: July 27, 2011 at 11:33 PM (#3887105)

Crawford getting a mental health day?

19. Phil Coorey. Posted: July 27, 2011 at 11:33 PM (#3887106)

He was a singles machine in late April wasn't he? He will turn it on sooner rather than later

20. Phil Coorey. Posted: July 27, 2011 at 11:35 PM (#3887107)

Please forgive me - I have not looked at the Cubs since May as they are useless - checking his stats now...

21. Benji Gil Gamesh VII - The Opt-Out Awakens Posted: July 27, 2011 at 11:35 PM (#3887108)

Crawford getting a mental health day?

With Reddick sitting too I assumed Chen's been tough on lefties this year?

22. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: July 27, 2011 at 11:38 PM (#3887110)

He was a singles machine in late April wasn't he? He will turn it on sooner rather than later

I believe I called him Mark Grace at the time. I may have to start doing that again.

23. Dan Posted: July 27, 2011 at 11:38 PM (#3887112)

I guess Zambrano's peripherals aren't as bad as I thought. His walk rate was terrible early in the season, but it seems to be under control now. Just his ERA is ugly really.

24. Do Not Touch Fancy Pants Socially Distanced Handle Posted: July 27, 2011 at 11:39 PM (#3887113)

Please forgive me - I have not looked at the Cubs since May as they are useless

Yes. Big Z has played a big role in that.

25. Phil Coorey. Posted: July 27, 2011 at 11:40 PM (#3887116)

um, yep - can I please have post 12 back? !

26. Joel W Posted: July 27, 2011 at 11:41 PM (#3887120)

Weirdest part of my day today was reading 3000 words by Bill Simmons on the Red Sox, and really enjoying it/thinking he was pretty dead on about most of the team.

27. Phil Coorey. Posted: July 27, 2011 at 11:43 PM (#3887121)

I believe I called him Mark Grace at the time. I may have to start doing that again.

I think you should - it worked last time

Cubs tried to give Z to the yankees it seems as well

28. Phil Coorey. Posted: July 27, 2011 at 11:45 PM (#3887123)

Weirdest part of my day today was reading 3000 words by Bill Simmons on the Red Sox, and really enjoying it/thinking he was pretty dead on about most of the team.

I assume its on wankland - i'll have a look now.

29. Benji Gil Gamesh VII - The Opt-Out Awakens Posted: July 27, 2011 at 11:45 PM (#3887125)

Seriously, Ellsbury. He's Navajo and insanely fast -- the nicknames should write themselves and I'm blanking.

30. Do Not Touch Fancy Pants Socially Distanced Handle Posted: July 27, 2011 at 11:49 PM (#3887127)

Seriously, Ellsbury. He's Navajo and insanely fast -- the nicknames should write themselves and I'm blanking.

I call him Ellsblurry. I have no idea why, but it makes me happy.

31. Dan Posted: July 27, 2011 at 11:51 PM (#3887130)

So who do we think is trading for BJ Upton? I think it's gotta be the Braves or the Nats.

32. Do Not Touch Fancy Pants Socially Distanced Handle Posted: July 27, 2011 at 11:55 PM (#3887132)

So who do we think is trading for BJ Upton? I think it's gotta be the Braves or the Nats.

It'll be the Angels, out of an obsessive compulsive need to add more centerfielders.

33. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: July 27, 2011 at 11:58 PM (#3887136)

"well placed"

34. Benji Gil Gamesh VII - The Opt-Out Awakens Posted: July 27, 2011 at 11:59 PM (#3887137)

FP, I like that. Though that doesn't seem likely to catch on widely. :)

I can't come up with anything better than Navajo Nitro, which sucks.

35. Dan Posted: July 27, 2011 at 11:59 PM (#3887138)

And I still can't believe the Blue Jays netted Rasmus for 3 relief pitchers, Corey Patterson, and SP prospect who has lost a lot of his luster this year.

Alright, bases loaded for Ellsbury. Let's get that first GS now!

36. Benji Gil Gamesh VII - The Opt-Out Awakens Posted: July 28, 2011 at 12:00 AM (#3887140)

See this is the Bruce Chen I remember.

37. Dan Posted: July 28, 2011 at 12:01 AM (#3887141)

I will settle for the walk. Pedroia for the slam?

38. Phil Coorey. Posted: July 28, 2011 at 12:03 AM (#3887143)

Rasmus is going to drive us nuts - the Simmons article is good, I enjoyed it - freaking long though

39. Joel W Posted: July 28, 2011 at 12:04 AM (#3887144)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manuelito Bullet Hole would be a pretty awesome nickname for Ellsbury.

40. Dan Posted: July 28, 2011 at 12:05 AM (#3887145)

Gonzalez is a ground ball machine at the moment.

41. Joel W Posted: July 28, 2011 at 12:06 AM (#3887147)

The AL East is going to be so goddamned stacked in the next 5 years. 4 teams with a legitimate chance to win 90 games every year.

42. Joel W Posted: July 28, 2011 at 12:07 AM (#3887149)

That groundball looked like Gonzalez "just trying to get the run home."

43. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: July 28, 2011 at 12:11 AM (#3887150)

Weirdest part of my day today was reading 3000 words by Bill Simmons on the Red Sox, and really enjoying it/thinking he was pretty dead on about most of the team.

Definitely better than I expected. The only thing I didn't like was the usual unwarranted hatred towards JD Drew. Also, he went on about Ellsbury being in a "contract year", but unless I'm mistaken the Red Sox control him through 2013.

44. Phil Coorey. Posted: July 28, 2011 at 12:11 AM (#3887151)

Heidi Watney just called Ervin - Johan Santana

Wheeler is a fair bit to give up for 2 months

45. Phil Coorey. Posted: July 28, 2011 at 12:13 AM (#3887153)

He really hates JD Drew - his silly article last year about the 'boring' Sox was all about Drew basically

46. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: July 28, 2011 at 12:16 AM (#3887157)

I know Upton still has all that tantalizing potential, but he hasn't hit since 2008. I wouldn't want to trade any decent prospect for him.

47. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: July 28, 2011 at 12:18 AM (#3887158)

Of course, I didn't do my due diligence first, and evidently his OPS+ is over 100 for last year and this year. For some reason I didn't even know Tropicana was so pitcher-friendly.

48. Dan Posted: July 28, 2011 at 12:18 AM (#3887160)

Ervin Santana's birth name was Johan Santana, though I doubt she knows that or did it on purpose. He changed his name to Ervin because he didn't want to be mistaken for the other Johan.

49. Joel W Posted: July 28, 2011 at 12:24 AM (#3887163)

Post #1 is looking more and more prescient.

50. Phil Coorey. Posted: July 28, 2011 at 12:26 AM (#3887165)

Ervin Santana's birth name was Johan Santana, though I doubt she knows that or did it on purpose. He changed his name to Ervin because he didn't want to be mistaken for the other Johan.

Wow - that's awesome - I never knew that!!

51. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: July 28, 2011 at 12:26 AM (#3887166)

Post #1 is looking more and more prescient.

I dunno, Crawford hasn't sucked yet today.

As far as we know.

52. Phil Coorey. Posted: July 28, 2011 at 12:28 AM (#3887170)

Post #1 is looking more and more prescient.

Hope so - hopefully not bard and paps in a 9-4 game though

53. Dan Posted: July 28, 2011 at 12:34 AM (#3887174)

Nice day for Navarro so far. I like him as a super utility guy, though I'd like to see him got a shot at some PT at SS too.

54. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: July 28, 2011 at 12:38 AM (#3887175)

Seriously Ellsbury?

55. Do Not Touch Fancy Pants Socially Distanced Handle Posted: July 28, 2011 at 12:39 AM (#3887176)

Ervin Santana's birth name was Johan Santana, though I doubt she knows that or did it on purpose. He changed his name to Ervin because he didn't want to be mistaken for the other Johan.

Wow - that's awesome - I never knew that!!

What I take away from this, is that Ervin Santana is a dumbass. You get to pick your own first name, and the best you can come up with is 'Ervin'- Seriously?!

56. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: July 28, 2011 at 12:39 AM (#3887178)

Bruce Chen over 100 pitches in the 4th inning.

57. Phil Coorey. Posted: July 28, 2011 at 12:42 AM (#3887179)

really a dumb ass error by jacoby before with ag and youks up

58. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: July 28, 2011 at 12:42 AM (#3887180)

Runner on first, then hit off the wall, single, single, and yet no runs scored off that sequence. Hooray!

59. Phil Coorey. Posted: July 28, 2011 at 12:44 AM (#3887183)

What I take away from this, is that Ervin Santana is a dumbass. You get to pick your own first name, and the best you can come up with is 'Ervin'- Seriously?!

I never really though about how dumb that name is - I'll put money on a relative though

...and he beat the Yankees in the ALDS in 2005 so I have always liked him

60. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: July 28, 2011 at 12:44 AM (#3887184)

Runner on first, then hit off the wall, single, single, and yet no runs scored off that sequence. Hooray!

Papi decided to make sure they got some more runs.

61. Dan Posted: July 28, 2011 at 12:44 AM (#3887185)

FINALLY A GRAND SLAM!!! PAPI!!!

62. Joel W Posted: July 28, 2011 at 12:45 AM (#3887186)

Well then.

63. Do Not Touch Fancy Pants Socially Distanced Handle Posted: July 28, 2011 at 12:45 AM (#3887187)

Bout motherfucking time.

64. Phil Coorey. Posted: July 28, 2011 at 12:45 AM (#3887190)

First slam of the year, right?

65. villageidiom Posted: July 28, 2011 at 12:46 AM (#3887191)

So, Joel, what were you saying about the Boston offense? ;-)

66. Phil Coorey. Posted: July 28, 2011 at 12:49 AM (#3887200)

Off the gym to celebrate the slam - have a good day all

Enjoy the day game tomorrow - see you for the game on Friday

67. Dan Posted: July 28, 2011 at 12:50 AM (#3887201)

Nice way to come back after the offense gives you a big lead, Lackey.

I guess it's better than walking guys...

68. Phil Coorey. Posted: July 28, 2011 at 12:51 AM (#3887202)

Hope a 10-3 lead is safe for Lackey the lemon

69. Steve Balboni's Personal Trainer Posted: July 28, 2011 at 12:51 AM (#3887203)

As the person who wrote post #1, that Butler home run now closes the book on the four runs Lackey will give up tonight.

You are right about the Bard/Paps part of my prediction. I was thinking that neither pitched last night, so they'd get a little work, but wouldn't make much sense.

Instead, Wheeler will get two innings of work.

The Crawford part, I guess, is not meant to be...but don't worry - he'll do it tomorrow!

70. Joel W Posted: July 28, 2011 at 12:56 AM (#3887207)

@65 I stand by it. It's just so so fun to watch them do this.

71. Dan Posted: July 28, 2011 at 01:04 AM (#3887215)

Lackey simply cannot start in the playoffs. 9 hits and a walk, including 2 HR, in 5 ####### innings against the ####### Royals?

72. Mattbert Posted: July 28, 2011 at 01:05 AM (#3887220)

I guess the Sox think 10 is enough.

5 pitches, 3 outs for Coleman.

73. Mattbert Posted: July 28, 2011 at 01:09 AM (#3887226)

I agree with the general point, Dan - but Hosmer and Butler are legit. It's not like Getz or Escobar took him deep.

74. Dan Posted: July 28, 2011 at 01:11 AM (#3887229)

Would Chiang, Middlebrooks, and Ranaudo be enough to fetch Ubaldo?

75. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: July 28, 2011 at 01:12 AM (#3887230)

Is that Randy Williams coming in? This game is certainly not over yet.

76. Dan Posted: July 28, 2011 at 01:13 AM (#3887231)

That was Butler's 9th HR of the season. He's not a HR hitter. He's a gap power guy, despite his frame and position.

77. Darren

Posted: July 28, 2011 at 01:14 AM (#3887232)

No luck for Lackey this year. His peripherals are actually not horrible. Since I've tuned in tonight, for example, he's gotten a decent amount of grounders but they're finding holes.

78. Darren

Posted: July 28, 2011 at 01:16 AM (#3887236)

This is not a sarcastic question: Where did Randy Wells come from? Why is he on the team instead of Doubront, Bowden, or Atchison?

79. Darren

Posted: July 28, 2011 at 01:18 AM (#3887238)

Pedroia is reaching a point of ridiculousness. He's 8 points from a a .900 OPS. He's already got 5.5 WAR. Every time I think he's peaked, he gets better.

80. Darren

Posted: July 28, 2011 at 01:19 AM (#3887239)

Pedroia is reaching a point of ridiculousness. He's 8 points from a a .900 OPS. He's already got 5.5 WAR. Every time I think he's peaked, he gets better.

81. Darren

Posted: July 28, 2011 at 01:21 AM (#3887242)

What do you make of Pedroia's eye blinks before he hits. Are they a conscious thing or a tic?

82. villageidiom Posted: July 28, 2011 at 01:22 AM (#3887244)

Pedroia is reaching a point of ridiculousness. He's 8 points from a a .900 OPS. He's already got 5.5 WAR. Every time I think he's peaked, he gets better.

83. Darren

Posted: July 28, 2011 at 01:23 AM (#3887246)

He's better than Cats... I will see him again and again.

84. Mattbert Posted: July 28, 2011 at 01:25 AM (#3887249)

Hang on, was Coleman ever in this game? CBS box score thingy said he was, but now it says he pitched 0.0 innings and Adcock was in.

85. villageidiom Posted: July 28, 2011 at 01:26 AM (#3887250)

@78, I have no idea.

@81, it reminds me of Carl Everett. He used to do something similar. I'm guessing it's intentional.

86. Dan Posted: July 28, 2011 at 01:26 AM (#3887252)

Well that was shitty luck.

87. villageidiom Posted: July 28, 2011 at 01:28 AM (#3887255)

@84, no. And Gameday has Adcock replacing Chen.

88. Dan Posted: July 28, 2011 at 01:29 AM (#3887256)

I thought Pedroia did the blinking thing because he used eyedrops and he tries to make sure the eyedrops are all around his eye. I'm not sure that makes sense, or if there's a clearer way to explain it, but I'm tired and I don't care.

89. Darren

Posted: July 28, 2011 at 01:32 AM (#3887258)

Thanks Dan.

Hey, did you guys notice Pedroia is reaching a point of ridiculousness?

90. Joel W Posted: July 28, 2011 at 01:32 AM (#3887259)

@VI This comes via SOSH "The Sox have five regulars (Gonzalez, Ortiz, Pedroia, Ellsbury, Youkilis) with an OPS over .870. The rest of the American League has six."

91. villageidiom Posted: July 28, 2011 at 01:32 AM (#3887261)

@86, Yeah, Pedroia was at least four Pedroias off second when the ball was caught. I've decided that Pedroia is the new Bostonian unit of measurement, replacing the Smoot.

As if that wasn't futile enough, I've also decided to give Tim Wakefield the nickname "Iron Butterfly". Let's see if I can get that to stick.

92. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: July 28, 2011 at 01:39 AM (#3887267)

I still, after this many years, can't believe Pedroia gets the SB numbers he gets. Dude is NOT fast.

93. Mattbert Posted: July 28, 2011 at 01:40 AM (#3887268)

Re: nicknames, whatever happened to Tacoby Bellsbury?

94. Darren

Posted: July 28, 2011 at 01:41 AM (#3887272)

@92--His speed does seem to have improved somehow. He doesn't look painfully slow anymore.

95. Darren

Posted: July 28, 2011 at 01:44 AM (#3887276)

Why all the interviews?

And no, no more replay.

96. Dan Posted: July 28, 2011 at 01:45 AM (#3887277)

Man, McDonald doesn't need that kind of luck. He needs those line drives to fall in to his overall numbers won't be putrid.

97. Darren

Posted: July 28, 2011 at 01:50 AM (#3887281)

Should have caught that one.

98. Textbook Editor Posted: July 28, 2011 at 01:50 AM (#3887282)

I'm not really wild about this "get Youk out of the game at the first possibility" that seems to be happening lately... It makes me think he's far more injured than has been made public (i.e., more than just the hamstring thing from the other night).

99. Dan Posted: July 28, 2011 at 01:50 AM (#3887284)

Nicely played by Reddick to hold him to the double.

100. Joel W Posted: July 28, 2011 at 01:53 AM (#3887287)

I think Ells would have made a tougher go for that had the game been close, but why bang into a wall up 7.

I don't mind taking Youk out in these situations, nor do I really mind the implications. In years past, he's faded just because he's constantly banged up. So, a few innings here and there are helpful.

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