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   301. Voros McCracken of Pinkus Posted: October 25, 2007 at 02:35 AM (#2592489)
How much do one of those tacos cost in the first place? 59 cents?
   302. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: October 25, 2007 at 02:35 AM (#2592490)
Now where did the 0-1 to Youkilis miss? That was right down the middle!
   303. Bull Pain Posted: October 25, 2007 at 02:35 AM (#2592491)
There's a Brazilian in the White Sox system, Anderson Gomes. Did ok repeating low-A this year as a 22 year old.
   304. plim Posted: October 25, 2007 at 02:35 AM (#2592492)
isn't morales' delivery "hitch" a balk? he comes to a complete stop right before the hitch. you can stop during the delivery when there's no one on base, but not when runners are on....
   305. Infinite Yost (Voxter) Posted: October 25, 2007 at 02:36 AM (#2592493)
Youk!
   306. Lassus Posted: October 25, 2007 at 02:36 AM (#2592495)
297 - that's a good point. But really, the prepared piano stuff is better known than the SILENT piece, I think. I get your point, but it not for that piece, he might not be known at all, sooooo you take what you can get.

FRAKKING SUNUFABITCH
   307. dave h Posted: October 25, 2007 at 02:37 AM (#2592496)
Who's turn is it to blast McCarver? Youkilis can play 3rd...
   308. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: October 25, 2007 at 02:37 AM (#2592497)
These lefties are not having a good time against Ortiz.
   309. E., Hinske Posted: October 25, 2007 at 02:38 AM (#2592498)
I don't think it was reasonable to think that Ortiz might get more than a double after that ball was hit.
   310. Infinite Yost (Voxter) Posted: October 25, 2007 at 02:38 AM (#2592499)
What's the difference between Frank Miller and Seamus Heaney, when you get right down to it?

Off the top of my head, one Nobel Prize and the fact that movies based on Frank Miller's work almost invariably suck.
   311. plim Posted: October 25, 2007 at 02:40 AM (#2592501)
307. dave h Posted: October 24, 2007 at 10:37 PM (#2592496)
Who's turn is it to blast McCarver? Youkilis can play 3rd...


eh...i think tm actually has a point here...and it's pretty obvious: the sox have 3 people for 2 spots: lowell, youk, and papi at 1st and 3rd. he's simply saying that as a dh, papi might be the "obvious" choice to bench because he normally doesn't play.

and youk actually has the better postseason numbers this year of the 3...

gasp...i'm about to give tm a free pass...

but that still doesn't excuse his 374612140928349681341723956189735 other blunders in this game (let alone the whole postseries)
   312. Voros McCracken of Pinkus Posted: October 25, 2007 at 02:40 AM (#2592502)
If Ortiz can score from second on that play he can play first base.
   313. Lassus Posted: October 25, 2007 at 02:41 AM (#2592503)
oooohhhhhh this is sad.

WHAT HAPPENED TO THAT DAMN RAIN?
   314. Infinite Yost (Voxter) Posted: October 25, 2007 at 02:41 AM (#2592504)
Well, the rout is on. I guess it was a little while ago, but you can really feel it now.
   315. Gold Star for Robothal Posted: October 25, 2007 at 02:41 AM (#2592505)
What's the difference between Frank Miller and Seamus Heaney, when you get right down to it?


One got a Nobel Prize for literature for being a so-so poet from a political devastated region and the other is Frank Miller?
   316. plim Posted: October 25, 2007 at 02:41 AM (#2592506)
ok...while this is fun watching these guys tatter the ball, can they please save some offense for games 2-4? i'd like another sweep please....

and surely, schilling, dicek and lester could use the run support more than beckett =P
   317. Lassus Posted: October 25, 2007 at 02:42 AM (#2592507)
OUCH Rosenthal dissed the Cubs and the Diamondbacks in one fell swoop.
   318. Gold Star for Robothal Posted: October 25, 2007 at 02:43 AM (#2592508)
Robothal dropping his bionic hammer-fist on the Cubs and D-Backs!
   319. Voros McCracken of Pinkus Posted: October 25, 2007 at 02:43 AM (#2592509)
Jesus, do you pull Beckett at this point?
   320. Infinite Yost (Voxter) Posted: October 25, 2007 at 02:43 AM (#2592510)
Ken Rosenthal's analysis comes down to: "AL rules and NL drools." He's right, of course. He's also nicer about it than I would be.
   321. Lassus Posted: October 25, 2007 at 02:44 AM (#2592511)
Oooohhhh maybe he could just throw a ball at the captain's crotch.

This is what I'm reduced to rooting for here.
   322. Adam G Posted: October 25, 2007 at 02:44 AM (#2592512)
I didnt catch what he said... what did the Cubs have to do with anything?
   323. jim in providence Posted: October 25, 2007 at 02:44 AM (#2592513)
a so-so poet

who's good?
   324. plim Posted: October 25, 2007 at 02:44 AM (#2592514)
actually...keep on hitting...

then tito can burn gagne for 2-3 innings and then not be tempted to use him for the rest of the series!
   325. Infinite Yost (Voxter) Posted: October 25, 2007 at 02:44 AM (#2592515)
One got a Nobel Prize for literature for being a so-so poet from a political devastated region and the other is Frank Miller?

I think you mean, one is reflexively overrated because comics are "hot" right now and the other is Seamus Heaney.
   326. Corn On Ty Cobb Posted: October 25, 2007 at 02:44 AM (#2592516)
Isn't Liriano a popular comp for Morales? I don't really see it. His fastball is as flat as Claire Danes.
   327. Lassus Posted: October 25, 2007 at 02:45 AM (#2592517)
This first-game score is not really going to help FOX's ratings for game 2 or 3.
   328. Yeaarrgghhhh Posted: October 25, 2007 at 02:45 AM (#2592518)
How can the Rockies be losing? I thought they really were a .957 team.
   329. plink Posted: October 25, 2007 at 02:45 AM (#2592519)
Mrs. plink: "Do you know what know it is? It's Gagne time."
   330. plim Posted: October 25, 2007 at 02:45 AM (#2592520)
326. Corn On Ty Cobb Posted: October 24, 2007 at 10:44 PM (#2592516)
Isn't Liriano a popular comp for Morales? I don't really see it. His fastball is as flat as Claire Danes.


not kirsten dunst? =)
   331. Infinite Yost (Voxter) Posted: October 25, 2007 at 02:47 AM (#2592522)
So, if the Red Sox drub the Rockies as thoroughly as they probably should in this series, the whole story is going to be how the layoff killed the Rockies' "momentum". I find that so, so tiresome. Even if it's not a drubbing the rest of the way, this game almost guarantees that storyline.
   332. Lassus Posted: October 25, 2007 at 02:48 AM (#2592523)
His fastball is as flat as Claire Danes.


I have as much of a affection and predilection for a good 36D, but I'll never understand the DISLIKE for a 34A.
   333. John DiFool2 Posted: October 25, 2007 at 02:49 AM (#2592524)
My roommate (also a Sox fan) is driving me to distraction with his maniacal antics. Please help me.
   334. Corn On Ty Cobb Posted: October 25, 2007 at 02:49 AM (#2592525)
This first-game score is not really going to help FOX's ratings for game 2 or 3.


Fox scheduled things so the off day in the series would be Tuesday, that way House isn't preempted.

You gotta love this game. Errr, wait.
   335. Gold Star for Robothal Posted: October 25, 2007 at 02:49 AM (#2592526)
who's good?


Living? Top of my head: John Ashbery, Anne Carson, CD Wright, Nathaniel Mackey, Allen Grossman, Jay Wright, Michael Palmer, Rosmarie Waldrop, Aime Cesaire, Clayton Eshleman, Ben Lerner, Lyn Hejinian, Jerome Rothenberg, Linh Dinh, Alice Notley.
   336. ellsbury my heart at wounded knee Posted: October 25, 2007 at 02:49 AM (#2592528)
I find that so, so tiresome.


I'm glad there's someone else out there who gets tired of media stories before they even happen.
   337. TravisBedard Posted: October 25, 2007 at 02:50 AM (#2592529)
Lassus: My parents always said a B was the bare minimum.
   338. Lassus Posted: October 25, 2007 at 02:50 AM (#2592530)
Fine, this game's a wash, but until we get blasted in games 2 and 3, I'm not going to listen to the "THIS ISN'T A SERIES" pundits.

Also, Gagne might still come in. HA!
   339. Infinite Yost (Voxter) Posted: October 25, 2007 at 02:50 AM (#2592531)
That lame Bud Light commercial reminds me of a much better commercial containing a fake newscast:

Sex, Dan.
   340. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: October 25, 2007 at 02:51 AM (#2592532)
NO GAGNE!
   341. Corn On Ty Cobb Posted: October 25, 2007 at 02:51 AM (#2592533)
I have as much of a affection and predilection for a good 36D, but I'll never understand the DISLIKE for a 34A.

I agree, however Danes is still in a training bra. It's kind of gross.
   342. Lassus Posted: October 25, 2007 at 02:51 AM (#2592534)
335 - Allow me to toss in one Cecelia Woloch to that list. Full disclosure, I know her.
   343. Infinite Yost (Voxter) Posted: October 25, 2007 at 02:51 AM (#2592535)
I notice that you like poetry that I do not like.
   344. Gold Star for Robothal Posted: October 25, 2007 at 02:52 AM (#2592536)
I notice that you like poetry that I do not like.


The interesting stuff?
   345. Infinite Yost (Voxter) Posted: October 25, 2007 at 02:52 AM (#2592537)
I'm glad there's someone else out there who gets tired of media stories before they even happen.

Actually, I travel through time, and bring my media fatigue with me.
   346. Infinite Yost (Voxter) Posted: October 25, 2007 at 02:53 AM (#2592538)
The interesting stuff?

No, the lame stuff that I could do in my sleep.
   347. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: October 25, 2007 at 02:53 AM (#2592539)
You're probably not a good pitcher if you walk Lugo on 4 pitches with the bases loaded.
   348. Corn On Ty Cobb Posted: October 25, 2007 at 02:54 AM (#2592541)
Wonder what the Sox are going to want for Crisp this offseason. I imagine the Braves will have an interest.
   349. Gold Star for Robothal Posted: October 25, 2007 at 02:55 AM (#2592542)
No, the lame stuff that I could do in my sleep.


ARE YOU TED KOOSER?!!!
   350. Rafael Bellylard: The Grinch of Orlando. Posted: October 25, 2007 at 02:55 AM (#2592543)
Living? Top of my head: John Ashbery, Anne Carson, CD Wright, Nathaniel Mackey, Allen Grossman, Jay Wright, Michael Palmer, Rosmarie Waldrop, Aime Cesaire, Clayton Eshleman, Ben Lerner, Lyn Hejinian, Jerome Rothenberg, Linh Dinh, Alice Notley.


Unless one of them wrote a poem that started with "There once was a woman from Nantucket", I've probably not read them.
   351. Lassus Posted: October 25, 2007 at 02:55 AM (#2592544)
I like how we're getting into a catfight about poetry here in the world series chatter.

Jesus, this is embarrassing.
   352. Corn On Ty Cobb Posted: October 25, 2007 at 02:55 AM (#2592545)
"Your father's Rockies"

Die, Buck. Just die.
   353. Infinite Yost (Voxter) Posted: October 25, 2007 at 02:55 AM (#2592546)
Here's the layoff talk. Bored now.

This is starting to feel a little mean-spirited.
   354. Voros McCracken of Pinkus Posted: October 25, 2007 at 02:57 AM (#2592548)
Anyone got the stopwatch on the bottom of the fifth?
   355. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: October 25, 2007 at 02:57 AM (#2592549)
There have been 2 outs in this inning for a long time.
   356. Rowland Office Supplies Posted: October 25, 2007 at 02:57 AM (#2592550)
Where's Talia Shire screaming "Stop the fight!" when you need her?
   357. Lassus Posted: October 25, 2007 at 02:57 AM (#2592551)
Instead of poetry, can we discuss Ben Marcus and Italo Calvino instead? That's really more my forte, and I'm starting to feel left out.
   358. Textbook Editor Posted: October 25, 2007 at 02:57 AM (#2592552)
This is great, by the end of Game 1 we'll have had good long looks against most of the bullpen.

Pedroia, take to 2 strikes, please.
   359. Rafael Bellylard: The Grinch of Orlando. Posted: October 25, 2007 at 02:57 AM (#2592553)
I'm just hoping that this doesn't turn into the 1960 World Series.
   360. plim Posted: October 25, 2007 at 02:58 AM (#2592554)
how many bases loaded walks are the red sox going to draw this postseason?

it has to be a record....
   361. Voros McCracken of Pinkus Posted: October 25, 2007 at 02:58 AM (#2592555)
I'd develop an Eric Greggsian strike zone right about now.
   362. dave h Posted: October 25, 2007 at 02:58 AM (#2592556)
My girlfriend said she's tired and is driving me home at the end of the inning...she said this more than half an hour ago...
   363. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: October 25, 2007 at 02:59 AM (#2592557)
Can Speier throw strikes?
   364. Lassus Posted: October 25, 2007 at 02:59 AM (#2592558)
OH COME ON ARE YOU KIDDING ME YOU LITTLE SHRIMPY PISSANT PEDROIA
   365. Gold Star for Robothal Posted: October 25, 2007 at 02:59 AM (#2592559)
The Age of Wire & String and Invisible Cities: perfect books.
   366. Chris Dial Posted: October 25, 2007 at 03:00 AM (#2592561)
"AL rules and NL drools." He's right, of course. He's also nicer about it than I would be.


H's not nearly the ignoramus as, er, some people.
   367. dave h Posted: October 25, 2007 at 03:00 AM (#2592562)
"Instead of poetry, can we discuss Ben Marcus and Italo Calvino instead? That's really more my forte, and I'm starting to feel left out."

We could go back to cup sizes.
   368. Rowland Office Supplies Posted: October 25, 2007 at 03:00 AM (#2592563)
I'd go with "Eric Greggorian."
   369. Infinite Yost (Voxter) Posted: October 25, 2007 at 03:00 AM (#2592564)
ARE YOU TED KOOSER?!!!

YES!!!

I'm kidding, of course, and I've not read anything by some of the people on your list, largely because it's been a couple of years since I was writing or reading poetry, and I was still grappling with some dead German and Polish guys at that point. But John Ashberry, in particular, is somebody whose work I read and I find myself bafffled as to why people like it. In short, self-indulgent horseshit.
   370. Phil Coorey. Posted: October 25, 2007 at 03:00 AM (#2592565)
Trade Joe Buck to England for Martin Tyler. He might not know anything about baseball, but...
MT is my favourite sports announcer in the world not called Vin Scully
   371. Textbook Editor Posted: October 25, 2007 at 03:01 AM (#2592566)
Well, jeez Hurdle, at this point stick with a long man and don't burn the pen.

I would love a GS here. a GS here and you pull Beckett. In fact I might pull Beckett here anyway. Coldish, dampish night--don't want that back getting tight. and if we can't get 12 outs before they score 12 runs... well we deserve to lose.
   372. nick swisher hygiene Posted: October 25, 2007 at 03:01 AM (#2592568)
if he's not Kooser, maybe he's Billy Collins?....love your list, robothal: Linh Dinh! great American baseball poet: dig this stanza:

"That dumbshit third base coach
With a ###### windmill for a left arm
Has just cost us another ###### ballgame."

We'll see what the nanny does with Major Poetry...
   373. Chris Dial Posted: October 25, 2007 at 03:01 AM (#2592569)
If I were Hurdle, I get *everyone* into this game (non-SP division)
   374. Infinite Yost (Voxter) Posted: October 25, 2007 at 03:02 AM (#2592570)
I'm just hoping that this doesn't turn into the 1960 World Series.

I was having exactly the same thought about twenty minutes ago.
   375. nick swisher hygiene Posted: October 25, 2007 at 03:02 AM (#2592571)
another stanza from the same "Baseball Epiphanies:"

"That dude could not bunt, bat, run field or throw
But he had all the intangibles down."
   376. Voros McCracken of Pinkus Posted: October 25, 2007 at 03:03 AM (#2592572)
34 minutes according to Buck. So it was probably an hour and a half.
   377. Lassus Posted: October 25, 2007 at 03:03 AM (#2592573)
Were you not as much a fan of Notable American Women, Gold Star? I'm still waiting impatiently for a 3rd novel. And this was hilarious:

http://www.harpers.org/archive/2005/10/0080775
   378. nick swisher hygiene Posted: October 25, 2007 at 03:04 AM (#2592574)
& finally the last stanza of same poem:

"Standing in the on-deck circle,
Getting ready to vindicate myself,
I suddenly realized that
The lights had long been turned off
And the stadium was empty."
   379. Infinite Yost (Voxter) Posted: October 25, 2007 at 03:04 AM (#2592575)
if he's not Kooser, maybe he's Billy Collins?


You take that back. I . . . I don't have words. Calling me "Billy Collins" is worse than calling me "kike". I will not taking this lying down. I warn you: I can shoot fire through the Internets.
   380. ChadBradfordWannabe Posted: October 25, 2007 at 03:04 AM (#2592576)
I had an OOTP pitcher who went 42-0 one season (forgot the name, actually) At this point, just like my dream pitcher who started 47 games for me that year, I would take Beckett out. He could start game 4 for sure right now. Come on now....
   381. jim in providence Posted: October 25, 2007 at 03:05 AM (#2592579)
Living? Top of my head: John Ashbery, Anne Carson, CD Wright, Nathaniel Mackey, Allen Grossman, Jay Wright, Michael Palmer, Rosmarie Waldrop, Aime Cesaire, Clayton Eshleman, Ben Lerner, Lyn Hejinian, Jerome Rothenberg, Linh Dinh, Alice Notley.

great list - though i haven't yet been able to abide Ashbery. can't help but appreciate the Providence folks (Rosemarie is a very good person, as is Ken - though I know him only by word of mouth).

I enjoy Heaney's physicality, his understanding of things as things that are beautiful in themselves. I will yield, however, to your greater knowledge of contemporary poets.

First WS thread to devolve into a discussion of poetry?
   382. Textbook Editor Posted: October 25, 2007 at 03:05 AM (#2592580)
Angry McEnroe > Funny, Older McEnroe
   383. Rafael Bellylard: The Grinch of Orlando. Posted: October 25, 2007 at 03:05 AM (#2592581)
Good Lord....Yahoo Chat is a bunch of 12 yr olds yelling "You suck" and we have a literary society.

I need something in between ;)
   384. Curse of the Graffanino (dfan) Posted: October 25, 2007 at 03:06 AM (#2592583)
The Age of Wire and String is awesome.
   385. Bull Pain Posted: October 25, 2007 at 03:06 AM (#2592584)
1444 OPS for the Red Sox so far. Good thing the Rockies have guys like Josh Fogg and Aaron Cook still to come.
   386. plim Posted: October 25, 2007 at 03:06 AM (#2592585)
wow...beckett is still in there?
   387. Lassus Posted: October 25, 2007 at 03:07 AM (#2592586)
THUS STARTETH THE COMEBACK
   388. plim Posted: October 25, 2007 at 03:07 AM (#2592588)
wow...what a play by youkilis...

too bad beckett was too slow...
   389. Lassus Posted: October 25, 2007 at 03:08 AM (#2592589)
THUS INTERRUPTETH THE COMEBACK
   390. Rafael Bellylard: The Grinch of Orlando. Posted: October 25, 2007 at 03:08 AM (#2592590)
THUS ENDETH THE COMEBACK
   391. Voros McCracken of Pinkus Posted: October 25, 2007 at 03:08 AM (#2592591)
UORSF,

Thou sucketh...
   392. Gold Star for Robothal Posted: October 25, 2007 at 03:08 AM (#2592592)
But John Ashberry, in particular, is somebody whose work I read and I find myself bafffled as to why people like it. In short, self-indulgent horseshit.


I usually don't let myself argue about a writer with someone who doesn't bother spelling their name correctly, but: I think of Ashbery as being somewhat similar to Wordsworth is doing above Tintern Abbey, except instead of repeating the structures and references of the 19th century, Ashbery takes the euphoric expansion of consciousness to the test in his actual environment, where everything from Popeye to a ringing phone to a rutabaga in a landscape is fair game as poetic material. His poems are like beautiful little slinky toys placed on a map of the entire culture (high, low, camp, and all the rest).

But that's just me.
   393. nick swisher hygiene Posted: October 25, 2007 at 03:09 AM (#2592593)
all right, no more poetry--but why all the hate for Ashbery? his stuff's beautiful and he didn't write it for you to face exams about it or be taught it half-heartedly by the uninspired.....
   394. Srul Itza Posted: October 25, 2007 at 03:09 AM (#2592594)
I expect some guys are wondering why they don't pull Becket so they would have the option of bringing him back in Game 4.

The answer is: Since the Red Sox will obviously be up 3-0 by that point, why bother/
   395. PJ Martinez Posted: October 25, 2007 at 03:09 AM (#2592595)
Didn't expect to tune in here to find a poetry flame-war. I prefer Heaney to a lot of guys on Robothal's list, but Ashbery, while uneven (who isn't?), is pretty brilliant.

Also, can't we go to the bullpen with a 13 run lead? Guess Francona really doesn't plan to use Beckett in game four.
   396. ChadBradfordWannabe Posted: October 25, 2007 at 03:10 AM (#2592596)
I am wondering that myself....
   397. Corn On Ty Cobb Posted: October 25, 2007 at 03:10 AM (#2592597)
This is a perfect spot for Mark Redman.
   398. Srul Itza Posted: October 25, 2007 at 03:10 AM (#2592598)
Question: Is the game so safely in hand, that not even Gagme could blow it?
   399. Lassus Posted: October 25, 2007 at 03:11 AM (#2592599)
OK, I've never read ANY John Ashbery. So I'm going to now and see what I think.
   400. TravisBedard Posted: October 25, 2007 at 03:12 AM (#2592600)
Srul - Does such a game exist?
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