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   1. Hendry's Wad of Cash (UCCF) Posted: July 24, 2006 at 02:10 PM (#2109426)
No mercy now, Metsies. Make the Cubs really *feel* the winless roadtrip.
   2. Spahn Insane Posted: July 24, 2006 at 05:18 PM (#2109720)
Who's starting against Zambrano tomorrow?
   3. Sweet Posted: July 24, 2006 at 05:38 PM (#2109749)
Let's go Mets!
   4. Chest Rockwell Posted: July 24, 2006 at 05:56 PM (#2109771)
I was starting to get worried that the Cubs might play at or near .500 the rest of the year, depriving me of the chase for 100 losses. This weekend has things back on track, and a spanking at Shea plus four against St. Louis could really boost the likelihood.
   5. Hendry's Wad of Cash (UCCF) Posted: July 24, 2006 at 06:42 PM (#2109827)
Glavine v Zambrano tomorrow. It's the best possible draw for the Cubs, in terms of the goodness of getting swept.

We're back at our season low below .500, BTW. Remember the whole "the team responded in Milwaukee" nonsense when Hendry said he was evaluating everyone? That lasted about 4 games, and now it's back to the same lousy baseball they've played since mid-April.

I guess Hendry should get in the papers every day with a new threat. It's apparently the only way to motivate this bunch.

"Beat the Mets tonight, or I kill this puppy. I mean it."
   6. Neil M Posted: July 24, 2006 at 07:55 PM (#2109941)
I suggest any Cubs fans passing through direct their attention to bleed cubbie blue. Al Yellon, probably the last of the front-line Cubs bloggers to stand up for Dusty Baker, has finally joined the 'fire him' brigade.

What makes it interesting is that this is no mere explosion of pent-up emotion, but rather a re-appraisal based on his recent reading of Jeff Amgus's <i>Management By Baseball>/i>.

His post containing his reasoning for his change of heart might be the best he's ever done.
   7. Neil M Posted: July 24, 2006 at 07:58 PM (#2109945)
I screwed up my HTML. So what's new?

Here's a link to said post.
   8. Neil M Posted: July 24, 2006 at 07:59 PM (#2109946)
And apologies to Jeff Angus for mangling his name.
   9. Urban Faber Posted: July 24, 2006 at 08:29 PM (#2109996)
Sorry to report this ... but Lee back on the DL, Theriot back from Iowa.
   10. Sam M. Posted: July 24, 2006 at 08:31 PM (#2109998)
So let me ask you Cubs' fans this. Let's say Dusty Baker gets fired tomorrow.

You go back to rooting FOR the Cubs to actually win games, right?
   11. Hendry's Wad of Cash (UCCF) Posted: July 24, 2006 at 08:33 PM (#2110003)
Absolutely, Sam. But it's like that recent article saying the Kazmir trade was the best thing for the Mets because it meant hitting bottom and starting the turnaround. I have no idea how many losses in a row it would take for Hendry to finally do something, but the only way to find out is just to keep losing. So I root for losses.

Link to the Lee story

We could all see the wrist was still bothering him. It was silly for the team to rush him back before he was healthy in the middle of this lost season, but oh so typical of how the Cubs deal with injuries.
   12. Kiko Sakata Posted: July 24, 2006 at 08:34 PM (#2110006)
Lee back on the DL

####!
   13. Kiko Sakata Posted: July 24, 2006 at 08:41 PM (#2110016)
Let's say Dusty Baker gets fired tomorrow.

You go back to rooting FOR the Cubs to actually win games, right?


I don't know. I think Hendry's a bigger problem than Dusty and if Hendry fires Dusty and the Cubs finish up the season reasonably strong, say finishing at 72-90 (which would mean a winning record from here to the end of the season - and how sad is that?), that might encourage Hendry to think that things are all fine now and Dusty was the problem all along.

I find it hard to flat-out root for losses as it is. Plus, as time goes on, there becomes less point to firing Dusty mid-season. So, I tend to root for individual players. I like to see the young guys - Theriot, Cedeno, Murton - do well. I always root for Big Z. I'm going to definitely be rooting for Rich Hill in his start. If firing Dusty led to us seeing more of the young guys, then I'd root more for the team because of that, but I'll root against Neifi Perez, Glendon Rusch, and Juan Pierre as long as they're wearing Cubs uniforms.
   14. Chest Rockwell Posted: July 24, 2006 at 08:42 PM (#2110019)
Seriously? Are they just that f'ing clueless? Did they really think it was worth jeopardizing Lee's long-term healthy to rush him back in some futile attempt at salvaging this season? This is just so completely and typically shortsighted that I also can't believe these idiots are actually running a professional baseball team. And I don't want to hear "the doctors assured us he couldn't injure it any worse" crap.
   15. Spahn Insane Posted: July 24, 2006 at 08:43 PM (#2110022)
So let me ask you Cubs' fans this. Let's say Dusty Baker gets fired tomorrow.

You go back to rooting FOR the Cubs to actually win games, right?


Oh, maybe. I'm still rooting for such a totally embarrassing trainwreck as to prompt a complete housecleaning.
   16. Hendry's Wad of Cash (UCCF) Posted: July 24, 2006 at 08:47 PM (#2110036)
Oh, maybe. I'm still rooting for such a totally embarrassing trainwreck as to prompt a complete housecleaning.

If I thought there was any way Hendry would be fired this year, I'd be right there with you. But the guy's got an extension that hasn't even kicked in yet. It's almost impossible for me to picture a scenario where MacPhail cans both Hendry and Dusty before 2007.

Still, the trainwreck is a must. Hendry knows there's some level of team play below which there's no way he can bring Dusty back without alienating a huge chunk of the fan base and really getting killed in the media - if he thinks it's been bad in 2006, extending Dusty after 95+ losses would make this year's press coverage look like an issue of Vineline.

To be on the safe side, let's see 100 losses. Worst Cubs record in 40 years. That's the kind of thing that even the average bleacherite can latch onto and demand some changes.
   17. Spahn Insane Posted: July 24, 2006 at 08:47 PM (#2110037)
Seriously? Are they just that f'ing clueless? Did they really think it was worth jeopardizing Lee's long-term healthy to rush him back in some futile attempt at salvaging this season? This is just so completely and typically shortsighted that I also can't believe these idiots are actually running a professional baseball team.

Hear, hear. I said it before, but it's worth repeating--even if one buys into the totally misguided notion that it was so important to save Baker's job that Lee should have been rushed back, Lee's signed for another FOUR YEARS after this year--presumably, longer than any forthcoming Baker extension. Wouldn't the team show at least some interest in handling that investment with care?

Answer: Of course not. This organization is completely REactive--and even then, it reacts only to things right in front of its face (and all too often, not even then). The rest of the time, it just festers like a pile of crap on the sidewalk.
   18. Spahn Insane Posted: July 24, 2006 at 08:49 PM (#2110038)
Sam sounds like we're taking all the fun out of game chatter for him. Guess it loses its entertainment value if the chat "opponents" are all rooting for the wrong team.
   19. Hendry's Wad of Cash (UCCF) Posted: July 24, 2006 at 08:50 PM (#2110041)
Sam sounds like we're taking all the fun out of game chatter for him. Guess it loses its entertainment value if the chat "opponents" are all rooting for the wrong team.

I'm not rooting for the Mets - I'm rooting against the Cubs. There's a difference.
   20. Spahn Insane Posted: July 24, 2006 at 08:50 PM (#2110042)
It's almost impossible for me to picture a scenario where MacPhail cans both Hendry and Dusty before 2007.

Still, the trainwreck is a must.


Correct on both counts. But the latter is a prerequisite to the former (or even to Hendry's being canned DURING 2007--Rome wasn't built in a day).
   21. Spahn Insane Posted: July 24, 2006 at 08:52 PM (#2110046)
I'm not rooting for the Mets - I'm rooting against the Cubs. There's a difference.

Not to the fan of the other team in the context of a game chatter. You're rooting for the same outcome in this game, if not the same ultimate end.
   22. Hendry's Wad of Cash (UCCF) Posted: July 24, 2006 at 08:55 PM (#2110050)
Not to the fan of the other team in the context of a game chatter. You're rooting for the same outcome in this game, if not the same ultimate end.

But in my head, it's different. If I actually rooted for the Mets... I don't know what would happen. It wouldn't be pretty. Locusts and whatnot.

So I'm not rooting for the Mets. If they happen to win, I won't be happy for them - I'll be happy for me and for the 2007 Cubs.
   23. Neil M Posted: July 24, 2006 at 08:56 PM (#2110056)
Did they really think it was worth jeopardizing Lee's long-term healthy to rush him back in some futile attempt at salvaging this season?

Did anyone think that one game of AAA rehab was all that was needed?

By all accounts, Lee wanted to come back then. That the Cubs acquiesced so easily speaks of desperation, but I think we knew that to be the case when it happened.

This latest setback was always going to be a case of 'when' rather than 'if'. Right now, I'd be perfectly content if Lee sat out the rest of the year. It's not in his contract that he has to save anyone in management's sorry ass.
   24. Meatwad Posted: July 24, 2006 at 09:01 PM (#2110065)
i think lee going back on the dl may keep dusty his job till the end of the season, an of course now, theres no reason to nit just play the youngsters the season is long lost let them have fun
   25. Neil M Posted: July 24, 2006 at 09:01 PM (#2110066)
The latest Theriot call-up only makes sense if Walker is going to play 1B again. So, with Mabry (LH) and Nevin (RH) still around, I'd say it makes no sense.
   26. Kiko Sakata Posted: July 24, 2006 at 09:24 PM (#2110110)
Well, Walker's supposedly on the trading block - of course, he's been on the trading block for a year now. Actually, all three of those guys - Walker, Mabry, and Nevin - are guys that the Cubs should be looking to trade. Maybe Theriot ends up as our everyday first baseman in August and September.
   27. Old Matt Posted: July 24, 2006 at 09:39 PM (#2110147)
Nevin's gonna be gone in a few days though, right?

I'm covering a Connie Mack championship game tonight (hooray!) so I'll probably miss most of this lovely chatter.
   28. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: July 24, 2006 at 11:10 PM (#2110232)
Is Walker a good pinch hitter? The Mets need a good lefthanded bat to come off the bench.
   29. I Love LA (OFF) Posted: July 24, 2006 at 11:15 PM (#2110240)
What is the purpose of Eli Marrero on the 25 man roster?

Trachsel sucks.
   30. Chris Dial Posted: July 24, 2006 at 11:17 PM (#2110244)
ZThis ump has an odd strike zone.
   31. AJMcCringleberry Posted: July 24, 2006 at 11:18 PM (#2110247)
Dammit Trax.
   32. Banta Posted: July 24, 2006 at 11:18 PM (#2110248)
What is the purpose of Eli Marrero on the 25 man roster?

To block Fonzie's triumphant return?
   33. Chris Dial Posted: July 24, 2006 at 11:20 PM (#2110252)
NEvin is in the game.
   34. AJMcCringleberry Posted: July 24, 2006 at 11:20 PM (#2110254)
What is the purpose of Eli Marrero on the 25 man roster?

He can play 5 positions and has some pop, you could do worse with a 25th guy (and the Mets usually do, remember Offerman? Williams?).
   35. Banta Posted: July 24, 2006 at 11:22 PM (#2110255)
Off to a good start tonight.
   36. Chris Dial Posted: July 24, 2006 at 11:23 PM (#2110256)
Balrgh. That's some awful pitching thus far. He's wild in the strike zone and that's trouble with a capital T
   37. Orange & Blue Velvet Posted: July 24, 2006 at 11:23 PM (#2110257)
Looks like a long night. I'll pass.
   38. AJMcCringleberry Posted: July 24, 2006 at 11:23 PM (#2110258)
4 straight two out hits. Terrible.
   39. Rob Base Posted: July 24, 2006 at 11:24 PM (#2110261)
I am really pleased that there are absolutely no stupid rumors floating around about Mets trades right now.
   40. Chris Dial Posted: July 24, 2006 at 11:25 PM (#2110262)
Ramirez walked, AJM.
   41. Chris Dial Posted: July 24, 2006 at 11:25 PM (#2110263)
Those three hits were baaaaaad pitches two, and they got hammered.
   42. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: July 24, 2006 at 11:25 PM (#2110264)
Trachsel is so blah. He provides a valuable service as he does eat innings and isn't terrible but he just doesn't have a lot of "stuff" left.
   43. AJMcCringleberry Posted: July 24, 2006 at 11:26 PM (#2110265)
I am really pleased that there are absolutely no stupid rumors floating around about Mets trades right now.

They're still interested in Livan.
   44. AJMcCringleberry Posted: July 24, 2006 at 11:27 PM (#2110269)
Ramirez walked, AJM.

Oh yeah. Still terrible.
   45. I Love LA (OFF) Posted: July 24, 2006 at 11:30 PM (#2110272)
Humber and Guerra pitching today

Humber
2 IP 2 hits 1 ER 0/1 bb/so

Guerra
2 IP 3 hits 1 ER 0/1 bb/so
   46. AJMcCringleberry Posted: July 24, 2006 at 11:32 PM (#2110277)
Lo Duca is slow.
   47. I Love LA (OFF) Posted: July 24, 2006 at 11:33 PM (#2110278)
LoDuca only got to third on that one!?!?!?! What!?!?
   48. AJMcCringleberry Posted: July 24, 2006 at 11:33 PM (#2110283)
Delgado!
   49. I Love LA (OFF) Posted: July 24, 2006 at 11:34 PM (#2110286)
Well, that's two back.
   50. Banta Posted: July 24, 2006 at 11:34 PM (#2110287)
It's very nice that Delgado decided to start hitting again.
   51. I Love LA (OFF) Posted: July 24, 2006 at 11:35 PM (#2110289)
By the end of the year, nobody is going to remember Mike Jacobs.
   52. AJMcCringleberry Posted: July 24, 2006 at 11:36 PM (#2110291)
Nice hustle Cliff!
   53. Chris Dial Posted: July 24, 2006 at 11:37 PM (#2110292)
Everybody hits!
   54. I Love LA (OFF) Posted: July 24, 2006 at 11:37 PM (#2110294)
Wow. The Cubs' defense sucks.
   55. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: July 24, 2006 at 11:37 PM (#2110297)
That was a tailor made DP ball.
   56. Walks Clog Up the Bases Posted: July 24, 2006 at 11:38 PM (#2110301)
This thread reminds me of the Sunday night game a couple weeks back. Mets got down early and a ton of their fans were all "OMG NO! I'm out for the night!" And then they came back to blow the Cubs out.
   57. Chris Dial Posted: July 24, 2006 at 11:41 PM (#2110307)
Good god. That has to be caught.
   58. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: July 24, 2006 at 11:41 PM (#2110309)
You can't take Met fans too seriously during chatters.
   59. I Love LA (OFF) Posted: July 24, 2006 at 11:41 PM (#2110310)
Devaney also pitching tonight: 2 IP, 1 hit, 1 ER, 1/5 bb/so.
   60. Chris Dial Posted: July 24, 2006 at 11:42 PM (#2110311)
Good play by LoDuca
   61. Chris Dial Posted: July 24, 2006 at 11:43 PM (#2110313)
oooh, it was called that Pierre tried to rake it foul - 2 unassisted. Cool.
   62. AJMcCringleberry Posted: July 24, 2006 at 11:44 PM (#2110315)
Good call by the umps, I thought that's what Pierre did.
   63. Walks Clog Up the Bases Posted: July 24, 2006 at 11:46 PM (#2110320)
Todd Walker's trade value is sure gonna soar being benched in favor of Neifi Perez every game.
   64. I Love LA (OFF) Posted: July 24, 2006 at 11:48 PM (#2110325)
BTW, did anyone notice's Cohen's shot at Robbie Alomar? He never liked him, huh?
   65. Rob Base Posted: July 24, 2006 at 11:49 PM (#2110331)
I'd like to think Keith would make the HOF one day, but I'd think anybody ever likely to end up on the VC hates him. Cone probably has a better chance.
   66. I Love LA (OFF) Posted: July 24, 2006 at 11:54 PM (#2110347)
Guerra: 3 IP, 4 hits, 1 ER, 0/2 bb/so
Humber: 4 IP, 2 hits, 1 ER, 0/2 bb/so

Gomez also singled today. His AVG is now a respectable 271.
   67. Rob Base Posted: July 24, 2006 at 11:55 PM (#2110350)
Wins ... Jack Morris ...

I have a Mr. Aakbar on line 1.
   68. I Love LA (OFF) Posted: July 24, 2006 at 11:57 PM (#2110357)
####### Trachsel. I swear. Why can't he throw a strike to Ramirez?
   69. Sam M. Posted: July 24, 2006 at 11:58 PM (#2110359)
Well, that must have been an eventful first inning for all concerned . . . .
   70. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: July 24, 2006 at 11:59 PM (#2110360)
Carp just hit a dinger.
   71. Andere Richtingen Posted: July 24, 2006 at 11:59 PM (#2110361)
You go back to rooting FOR the Cubs to actually win games, right?

No way. There are no guarantees that it will be beneficial, but I see no light at the end of the tunnel for this team unless they continue to be jaw-droppingly bad. 100 losses for the first time in 40 years would be helpful.

Of course, even if it's really just rooting for the Cubs to lose, rooting for the Mets is impossible.
   72. I Love LA (OFF) Posted: July 24, 2006 at 11:59 PM (#2110362)
Daveney: 3 IP 1 hit 1 ER 1/7 bb/so
   73. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: July 25, 2006 at 12:00 AM (#2110366)
Carp just hit a dinger.
   74. Sam M. Posted: July 25, 2006 at 12:00 AM (#2110367)
Nice throw, Steve. Made the DP almost impossible.
   75. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: July 25, 2006 at 12:01 AM (#2110369)
Sorry about the double post.
   76. Sam M. Posted: July 25, 2006 at 12:02 AM (#2110371)
Where on Earth was the 1-1 curve ball???
   77. I Love LA (OFF) Posted: July 25, 2006 at 12:03 AM (#2110373)
51 pitches through three for Steve. Don't you just love this guy?
   78. Chris Dial Posted: July 25, 2006 at 12:08 AM (#2110383)
Delgado is all good.
   79. AJMcCringleberry Posted: July 25, 2006 at 12:08 AM (#2110384)
Another hit for Delgado.
   80. Sam M. Posted: July 25, 2006 at 12:08 AM (#2110386)
51 pitches through three for Steve.

In fairness, any time you have a three-run inning in there, your pitch count is going to be up.
   81. Banta Posted: July 25, 2006 at 12:08 AM (#2110387)
Seeing Delgado go the other way is REALLY encouraging.
   82. Sam M. Posted: July 25, 2006 at 12:16 AM (#2110401)
Joe Smith's off to a pretty good start for the Cyclones, by the way:

Joe Smith stats

22/2 K/W ratio, 7 H in 16 IP
   83. Chris Dial Posted: July 25, 2006 at 12:16 AM (#2110402)
Somebody was wearing stirrups.
   84. Chris Dial Posted: July 25, 2006 at 12:18 AM (#2110410)
This strike zone is just undefined. It's tough to figure out.
   85. Bob Koo Posted: July 25, 2006 at 12:19 AM (#2110411)
Cole Hamels has struck out 11 Braves through 4 innings. He's also given up 2 solo homers.
   86. Chris Dial Posted: July 25, 2006 at 12:21 AM (#2110413)
Nice pitch from Trax.
   87. Bob Koo Posted: July 25, 2006 at 12:23 AM (#2110417)
Make that 12 through 5.

Do Cubs fans have hopes for Cedeno's future? He looks like he's not very good.
   88. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: July 25, 2006 at 12:24 AM (#2110421)
Jae Seo is getting roughed up tonight. 5 runs in 4 innings. I knew he wasn't going to be as good as he was last season but he has been horrific. I thought he'd be a 4.00-4.25 ERA guy.
   89. Sam M. Posted: July 25, 2006 at 12:24 AM (#2110424)
Cornelius!
   90. I Love LA (OFF) Posted: July 25, 2006 at 12:25 AM (#2110427)
Humber 5 IP 2 hits 1 ER 0/2 bb/so
Guerra 5 IP 5 hits 1 ER 0/2 bb/so
Daveney 4 IP 5 hits 3 ER 3/9 bb/so

Gomez is 2-2 with a single and a triple. Carp 1 for 2 with a HR. The future is 0-3.
   91. AJMcCringleberry Posted: July 25, 2006 at 12:25 AM (#2110428)
X!
   92. Sam M. Posted: July 25, 2006 at 12:26 AM (#2110429)
X marks the spot . . . . on the center field wall. Maddux just isn't what he used to be. Am I sad about this? I think I kind of am, in a way . . . .
   93. I Love LA (OFF) Posted: July 25, 2006 at 12:26 AM (#2110431)
X marks the spot.
   94. Meatwad Posted: July 25, 2006 at 12:26 AM (#2110433)
i dont even care about the cubs anymore, its a nice feeling, hell im not even watching just isnt worth it
   95. Sam M. Posted: July 25, 2006 at 12:27 AM (#2110434)
Wow, OFF. That's eerie.
   96. Sam M. Posted: July 25, 2006 at 12:29 AM (#2110438)
Bad AB by Woodward.

Most wins by a visiting pitcher at Shea: I'll guess Carlton.
   97. Sam M. Posted: July 25, 2006 at 12:30 AM (#2110442)
But now that I think about it, it might just be Smoltz, or even Glavine. I'll go with Glavine.
   98. Sweet Posted: July 25, 2006 at 12:30 AM (#2110444)
Maddux just isn't what he used to be. Am I sad about this? I think I kind of am, in a way . . . .

It's always tough to know how to feel about martyrdom, but history will look kindly on his struggle if it helps topple the current regime.
   99. I Love LA (OFF) Posted: July 25, 2006 at 12:30 AM (#2110446)
If its not Maddux, who could it be? Smoltz?
   100. AJMcCringleberry Posted: July 25, 2006 at 12:31 AM (#2110448)
Maddux just isn't what he used to be. Am I sad about this? I think I kind of am, in a way .

I was thinking about this before. I think I feel bad too.

Now Clemens, I can't wait til he sucks.
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