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Indians (17-13) @ RedSox (12-18), Thursday, May 10, 2012, 7:10pm

CLE:Derek Lowe (39, RHP, 4-1, 2.39)
BOS:Josh Beckett (32, RHP, 2-3, 4.45)

The Primer Chimp Posted: May 10, 2012 at 10:00 AM | 136 comment(s)
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1. Darren

Posted: May 10, 2012 at 04:57 PM (#4128584)

Nava!

2. Phil Coorey. Posted: May 10, 2012 at 07:15 PM (#4128691)

Morning all, how was the reception for Beckett?

3. Jose is an Absurd Sultan Posted: May 10, 2012 at 07:19 PM (#4128693)

Morning Phil, missed the reception for both Beckett and Damon unfortunately.

4. Phil Coorey. Posted: May 10, 2012 at 07:24 PM (#4128695)

I think it would have been OK, as there is no ground announcement tonight in honour of Carl Beane

5. ellsbury my heart at wounded knee Posted: May 10, 2012 at 07:31 PM (#4128698)

Carl Beane was a great announcer. I wish they could have found just a slightly more flattering photo of him to use for his memorial. Maybe I should get some head shots taken while I'm youngish and healthy, just in case.

6. Phil Coorey. Posted: May 10, 2012 at 07:34 PM (#4128700)

He certainly was - Ortiz is right - It won't be the same

7. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: May 10, 2012 at 07:34 PM (#4128701)

Jack Hannahan. Hilarious. If they're going to be bad, they may as well be hilariously bad, right?

8. Dan Posted: May 10, 2012 at 07:35 PM (#4128703)

This team is a joke.

9. ellsbury my heart at wounded knee Posted: May 10, 2012 at 07:35 PM (#4128704)

Well this is not the start I was hoping for.

10. Dan Posted: May 10, 2012 at 07:35 PM (#4128705)

Apparently Biff and I are on the same wavelength, even if he's more verbose.

11. Jose is an Absurd Sultan Posted: May 10, 2012 at 07:36 PM (#4128706)

What a ####### joke. for all my ######## about Valentine it is amazing how truly terrible the guys who should be better have been.

12. ellsbury my heart at wounded knee Posted: May 10, 2012 at 07:36 PM (#4128707)

So does Cleveland use the Chief Wahoo caps anymore? These caps have a nice old-timey kind of feel.

13. Phil Coorey. Posted: May 10, 2012 at 07:37 PM (#4128708)

Beckett looks horrible tonight - another early hole the sox find themselves in - Jack Hanahan!

14. Jose is an Absurd Sultan Posted: May 10, 2012 at 07:39 PM (#4128709)

I haveto say I'm stunned how good Lowe has been since leaving Boston. I really thought it was a no brainer to let him walk.

At least we won't get no hit.

15. Dan Posted: May 10, 2012 at 07:39 PM (#4128710)

It really is a good thing Beckett has a personal catcher who can't hit RHP - imagine how many runs he'd give up per inning with Salty!

16. Phil Coorey. Posted: May 10, 2012 at 07:40 PM (#4128711)

Off to get a much needed haircut - hopefully when I get back they are back in this

17. Jose is an Absurd Sultan Posted: May 10, 2012 at 07:41 PM (#4128712)

Mohawk Phil, Mohawk!

18. Jose is an Absurd Sultan Posted: May 10, 2012 at 07:42 PM (#4128714)

Wow, Cabrera has crap range.

19. ellsbury my heart at wounded knee Posted: May 10, 2012 at 07:43 PM (#4128716)

I haveto say I'm stunned how good Lowe has been since leaving Boston. I really thought it was a no brainer to let him walk.

Me too. He's been an incredibly durable pretty good pitcher for a long time.

20. ellsbury my heart at wounded knee Posted: May 10, 2012 at 07:45 PM (#4128718)

I have to say I'm pretty happy to see Sweeney leading off and Aviles closer to the bottom of the order.

21. ellsbury my heart at wounded knee Posted: May 10, 2012 at 07:49 PM (#4128721)

Ugh.

22. Jose is an Absurd Sultan Posted: May 10, 2012 at 07:49 PM (#4128722)

Dreadful.

23. Dale Sams Posted: May 10, 2012 at 07:50 PM (#4128723)

SO

…since it seems unpossible for perfectly decent pitchers to all start sucking at the same time…does this mean we should pay more attention to the non-SABR ideas that GMs, managers, catchers and pitching coachs have a greater effect than we thought?

24. ellsbury my heart at wounded knee Posted: May 10, 2012 at 07:50 PM (#4128724)

Beckett's curveball is not working tonight.

25. ellsbury my heart at wounded knee Posted: May 10, 2012 at 07:52 PM (#4128725)

…since it seems unpossible for perfectly decent pitchers to all start sucking at the same time…does this mean we should pay more attention to the non-SABR ideas that GMs, managers, catchers and pitching coachs have a greater effect than we thought?

Like what? I'm all for untraditional ideas, but it's really on a case-by-case basis.

26. ellsbury my heart at wounded knee Posted: May 10, 2012 at 07:53 PM (#4128726)

For example, I'm open to the idea of a gypsy curse.

27. Jose is an Absurd Sultan Posted: May 10, 2012 at 07:56 PM (#4128730)

…since it seems unpossible for perfectly decent pitchers to all start sucking at the same time…does this mean we should pay more attention to the non-SABR ideas that GMs, managers, catchers and pitching coachs have a greater effect than we thought?

It feels like a fair question to ask. As I think it through I'm not sure it is though. Other than Lester what players are inexplicably poor? Buchholz is still hurt I think and Beckett has in fact been quite good since the Detroit game, not so much tonight.

28. Dan Posted: May 10, 2012 at 07:58 PM (#4128731)

Time to flip to the Nats/Strasburg game.

29. Jose is an Absurd Sultan Posted: May 10, 2012 at 08:00 PM (#4128732)

On the plus side I can watch the Big Bang Theory without stressing the game.

30. frannyzoo Posted: May 10, 2012 at 08:02 PM (#4128735)

On the plus side, Ms. Lincoln doesn't have to see the rest of the play.

Sorry.

31. Jose is an Absurd Sultan Posted: May 10, 2012 at 08:03 PM (#4128736)

Mr. Lincoln enjoyed the play more than I'm enjoying this season.

32. ellsbury my heart at wounded knee Posted: May 10, 2012 at 08:03 PM (#4128737)

On the plus size, Beckett is fat.

33. Dale Sams Posted: May 10, 2012 at 08:05 PM (#4128738)

Look at it this way:

Tito was in charge of Yugoslavia...September was a revolution and now we have a bunch of little countries all going in different directions.

34. Phil Coorey. Posted: May 10, 2012 at 08:20 PM (#4128744)

33 is hilarious

35. Textbook Editor Posted: May 10, 2012 at 08:21 PM (#4128745)

[sigh]

It's almost like the pitching staff had a mental breakdown last September 1st and hasn't found the right mix of meds yet to get back to a baseline.

36. Mattbert Posted: May 10, 2012 at 08:30 PM (#4128750)

Time for a clutch bases-loaded squander!

Come on, Sweeney. Don't let us down.

37. Mattbert Posted: May 10, 2012 at 08:32 PM (#4128752)

Attaboy.

38. Jose is an Absurd Sultan Posted: May 10, 2012 at 08:33 PM (#4128754)

If the Situation were reversed Sweeney would have doubled to the gap.

39. Jose is an Absurd Sultan Posted: May 10, 2012 at 08:34 PM (#4128755)

I find that I even hate the commercials more than in past years.

40. Textbook Editor Posted: May 10, 2012 at 08:34 PM (#4128756)

So is Nava's callup some sort of recognition that Ross doesn't have the chops to play LF (let alone CF)?

41. Benji Gil Gamesh VII - The Opt-Out Awakens Posted: May 10, 2012 at 08:34 PM (#4128757)

Former Sox Derek Lowe has the 37th-best pitcher's fielding percentage of all time.

So there's that.

42. Darren

Posted: May 10, 2012 at 08:36 PM (#4128759)

See, the pitching is still amazingly bad. That's what's so puzzling. Every day is a terrible start, just like the end of last year. The only differences are that they are lasting more than 3 1/3 and that the bullpen behind them is worse.

43. Mattbert Posted: May 10, 2012 at 08:37 PM (#4128760)

16 pitches and we couldn't squeeze another inning out of Andrew Miller?

Come on.

44. Answer Guy. Posted: May 10, 2012 at 08:38 PM (#4128761)

You know it's bleak when even I am having trouble being sufficiently pessimstic about this team to keep up with reality.

45. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: May 10, 2012 at 08:38 PM (#4128762)

On the plus side I can watch the Big Bang Theory without stressing the game.

Ugh. As an actual nerd, that show makes me angry. We've probably had this discussion before, though.

46. Darren

Posted: May 10, 2012 at 08:39 PM (#4128764)

Why does it make you angry, Biff?

47. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: May 10, 2012 at 08:41 PM (#4128766)

Because it reinforces stupid, outdated nerd stereotypes. Also, I don't find it funny, but that's secondary.

48. Textbook Editor Posted: May 10, 2012 at 08:42 PM (#4128768)

What I'm wondering is when the "Nomar Trade" moment happens this season. Because if it's still like this a month from now, the season's basically done unless they shake #### up. Trading Youkilis isn't the move I'd make. If you want to snap people's attention in the clubhouse, you'd have to do something like trade Beckett.

49. Darren

Posted: May 10, 2012 at 08:43 PM (#4128769)

I guess I see that. But on the other hand, the nerds all end up with superhot women. On the other hand, they have to share apartments or live with their mothers, despite being world-class scientists.

50. Answer Guy. Posted: May 10, 2012 at 08:44 PM (#4128770)

Why does it make you angry, Biff?

Possibly the narrow "nerd" reference pool, because it's aimed at a lowest common denominator audience. Also, the principals are into every stereotypically nerdy thing that the show's writers have heard of.

51. Textbook Editor Posted: May 10, 2012 at 08:44 PM (#4128771)

Re: #47--One of my authors (a physics professor) finds the show insanely funny... Perhaps because he's a physics professor? I've never seen a minute of it, so I can't comment either way.

52. Darren

Posted: May 10, 2012 at 08:45 PM (#4128772)

What I'm wondering is when the "Nomar Trade" moment happens this season.

I'd guess that would be something like Youk for Mark Reynolds and some replacement level chump?

53. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: May 10, 2012 at 08:48 PM (#4128774)

Also, Community is in the same time slot and is the far superior show, but gets much worse ratings. That's somewhat important in my hatred.

54. Dale Sams Posted: May 10, 2012 at 08:48 PM (#4128775)

I havent watched it, but I have seen enjoyable Wil Wheaton clips.

55. Darren

Posted: May 10, 2012 at 08:49 PM (#4128776)

And correct me if I'm wrong (I may be because I'm so incredibly cool and unnerdy) but doesn't it celebrate some of the things that are actually quite popular in nerd culture?

Or maybe put another way, is it any further off on nerdness than something like "How I Met Your Mother" is on what it's like to be a young single cool guy or Will and Grace is on gay culture. I think the good thing about it is that, even though it's far from perfect in nailing the nerd thing, is that it's celebrating the nerd thing at all.

56. Benji Gil Gamesh VII - The Opt-Out Awakens Posted: May 10, 2012 at 08:50 PM (#4128777)

Also, the principals are into every stereotypically nerdy thing that the show's writers have heard of.

I know a decent number of nerds (and probably am a bit of one myself), and, well, let's just say that there's a *much* better than even chance that a huge Trekkie has played D&D, for example.

57. Jose is an Absurd Sultan Posted: May 10, 2012 at 08:50 PM (#4128778)

I've seen a few episodes of Community, it didn't do much for me. I work for an enigneering software company and there are more people like the cast of BBT than I care to admit. My boss really is Sheldon.

58. Answer Guy. Posted: May 10, 2012 at 08:51 PM (#4128779)

What I'm wondering is when the "Nomar Trade" moment happens this season.

I was thinking the same thing myself.

Youkilis seems more likely than Beckett because Youkilis could be a free agent at season's end and there's a shortage of pitching on the team as it is. To trade Beckett for prospects is really to say "We're* three years or more away from a pennant" since one does not put a hole in the rotation like that if one thinks this year is merely an unfortunate aberration brought on by a combination of bad luck and key injuries.

* And yes, the first person plural is appropriate there, because that would be the team speaking, not just a random fan like me.

59. Mattbert Posted: May 10, 2012 at 08:53 PM (#4128782)

Hill out after his yeoman's effort of 10 pitches.

Just ####### shoot me now.

60. Benji Gil Gamesh VII - The Opt-Out Awakens Posted: May 10, 2012 at 08:55 PM (#4128783)

To truly be a "Nomar trade" it would have to be a diminished but still valuable player, generally still beloved by the fans, who has some serious but not widely known or acknowledged weakness in his game, and who is a clubhouse problem.

Youk or Beckett seem the best fits on those scores.

61. Answer Guy. Posted: May 10, 2012 at 08:55 PM (#4128785)

Oh yeah, and few teams are going to want to pick up Beckett's contract, so that sale would be for pennies on the dollar. Which is another reason why he doesn't get traded unless the club really does think that the next pennant is 3+ years off...and of course, the current team management likely wouldn't survive three years in the lower echelon of the American League.

62. Answer Guy. Posted: May 10, 2012 at 08:56 PM (#4128786)

Hill out after his yeoman's effort of 10 pitches.

Bobby V is really trying to turn me into a rabid SoSH type. With every fiber in my being I resist.

63. Textbook Editor Posted: May 10, 2012 at 08:58 PM (#4128787)

But what if Beckett really is the rotten apple in the barrel (as most of the stories swirling around since the collapse seem to hint at)? What if getting rid of him is addition-by-subtraction?

The thing about getting rid of Youk (while in theory I'm not against it, since I see little chance the option is being picked up or his being re-signed) is that while it may net you a pitcher, I'm not sure it helps break up the supposed "fried chicken cabal" that Beckett is seen as the de facto leader of.

Youk to Philly seems a logical landing spot, since Philly is desperate for offense, but do we really want a Joe Blanton or Vance Worley coming back? Because that's sort of talent they'd be willing to trade, unless you want to take a flier on Brown.

64. Darren

Posted: May 10, 2012 at 08:58 PM (#4128788)

To truly be a "Nomar trade" it would have to be a diminished but still valuable player, generally still beloved by the fans, who has some serious but not widely known or acknowledged weakness in his game, and who is a clubhouse problem.

This is wrong in about 5 ways.

65. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: May 10, 2012 at 08:58 PM (#4128789)

And correct me if I'm wrong (I may be because I'm so incredibly cool and unnerdy) but doesn't it celebrate some of the things that are actually quite popular in nerd culture?

Sure, this happens. For me it's a lot about the mannerisms of the Sheldon character, and the show's popularity making people think that's how nerds act.

I know a decent number of nerds (and probably am a bit of one myself), and, well, let's just say that there's a *much* better than even chance that a huge Trekkie has played D&D, for example.

I dunno about better than even, but better than the general public, almost certainly. Of course, there are many, many different corners of nerddom. I'm not a Trekkie and I've never played D&D, but I play Magic: the Gathering competitively and enjoy other 'nerdy' entertainment like Monty Python.

66. Darren

Posted: May 10, 2012 at 09:01 PM (#4128790)

Sheldon is not just a nerd though. In fact, I'd say he's on the show to act as a foil/contrast to the main nerd, Leonard. Leonard is nerd. Sheldon is clearly on the spectrum.

67. Benji Gil Gamesh VII - The Opt-Out Awakens Posted: May 10, 2012 at 09:01 PM (#4128791)

This is wrong in about 5 ways.

Proceed.

68. Darren

Posted: May 10, 2012 at 09:03 PM (#4128792)

Okay 2.

69. Benji Gil Gamesh VII - The Opt-Out Awakens Posted: May 10, 2012 at 09:04 PM (#4128794)

I dunno about better than even, but better than the general public, almost certainly. Of course, there are many, many different corners of nerddom. I'm not a Trekkie and I've never played D&D, but I play Magic: the Gathering competitively and enjoy other 'nerdy' entertainment like Monty Python.

They also listen to Porcupine Tree. ;)

And you really really really don't need that "almost" in your first sentence.

70. Benji Gil Gamesh VII - The Opt-Out Awakens Posted: May 10, 2012 at 09:04 PM (#4128797)

Okay 2.

Still listening.

71. Darren

Posted: May 10, 2012 at 09:05 PM (#4128798)

All of Nomar's weaknesses were widely known and he was not, according to the people in the clubhouse, a clubhouse problem.

72. Benji Gil Gamesh VII - The Opt-Out Awakens Posted: May 10, 2012 at 09:05 PM (#4128799)

I play Magic: the Gathering competitively

What's your preferred color?

73. Darren

Posted: May 10, 2012 at 09:07 PM (#4128800)

To me, a Nomar trade is a guy who you should have traded when he had value. But you didn't so you trade him for far less value later, and when you do, you actually get back an inferior player to the one you dealt, and then you get praised to high heaven for it.

74. Answer Guy. Posted: May 10, 2012 at 09:07 PM (#4128801)

I guess they could start shopping Beckett, as there are a lot of clubs who might think they're one pitcher away from a pennant, and see if they get any offers. Among teams that are in contention that might see an opportunity...Atlanta maybe?

75. Mattbert Posted: May 10, 2012 at 09:09 PM (#4128804)

Bobby V is really trying to turn me into a rabid SoSH type. With every fiber in my being I resist.

What's weird is that I was under the impression that he wasn't afraid to run guys out there for multiple innings if they were cruising. But tonight he's lifted Miller and Hill very quickly, even though both of them were breezing along and hadn't worked much lately.

I don't get it.

76. Answer Guy. Posted: May 10, 2012 at 09:10 PM (#4128805)

My best deck was Red/Green. The goal is kill those people playing Black/Blue decks before they ever really get going.

77. Darren

Posted: May 10, 2012 at 09:11 PM (#4128807)

He has used guys for multiple innings. I'm sure he has his reasons tonight.

78. Benji Gil Gamesh VII - The Opt-Out Awakens Posted: May 10, 2012 at 09:12 PM (#4128808)

@Darren, was Nomar's greatly deteriorated fielding widely known by fans and other GMs and the like? I thought it wasn't but could be wrong.

79. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: May 10, 2012 at 09:14 PM (#4128810)

What's your preferred color?

I prefer limited (my only Grand Prix top 8 is in limited) to constructed, but in constructed the preferred color is almost always Blue.

80. Darren

Posted: May 10, 2012 at 09:18 PM (#4128812)

Yes, I thought his physical limitations were well known--at least I remember that being the consensus and part of the thinking behind the trade. He told the Sox he could only play 2/3 of the time at SS, then was traded to the Cubs who played him only 2/3 of the time.

81. Mattbert Posted: May 10, 2012 at 09:20 PM (#4128813)

Bruno sighting! Always liked that guy.

82. Textbook Editor Posted: May 10, 2012 at 09:21 PM (#4128814)

Here I am, sitting here feeling not nearly nerdy enough as the cool kids 'round here. Back in my day, quoting Monty Python was enough for street cred... Now you have to play card games? With other people?

[hangs head]

Becket has 2 years/$31 million coming to him after this year. That's not an untradeable asset, and, in fact, I don't think the Sox would have to pick up much $ to make a move. He's not looked toasty the way Lackey did all last year--he shows just enough flashes that there'll be teams who will think he can help them.

So the question is where? And for what?

83. Answer Guy. Posted: May 10, 2012 at 09:24 PM (#4128816)

I gave up on M:TG not long after undergrad. I wasn't all that great, and not having any real money to spend on cards proved quite limiting.

84. Benji Gil Gamesh VII - The Opt-Out Awakens Posted: May 10, 2012 at 09:26 PM (#4128817)

in constructed the preferred color is almost always Blue.

Blue was my favorite too, especially after Tradewind Rider came out. Blue just pisses people off so much; I loved playing someone and having them cast pretty much anything and then pause expectantly waiting to see if I'd counter, even when tapped out.

85. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: May 10, 2012 at 09:27 PM (#4128819)

<i>not having any real money to spend on cards proved quite limiting,/i>

This is one of the reasons I prefer limited, actually. I frequently borrow cards from people for constructed tournaments because I don't keep many cards of my own. Fortunately I've been playing long enough that I'm a mainstay of the New England magic scene and I have a network of people I can borrow from.

86. Mattbert Posted: May 10, 2012 at 09:29 PM (#4128820)

I played M:TG for a year or two in high school. Then it really took off and got all serious. That scene wasn't for me, so I threw in the towel.

87. Answer Guy. Posted: May 10, 2012 at 09:30 PM (#4128821)

This is one of the reasons I prefer limited, actually.

88. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: May 10, 2012 at 09:30 PM (#4128822)

I first played casually at the lunchroom table in 4th grade or so, which would have been 1994-1995 when the game first came out in 1993. I stopped a couple years after, then I got to college in 2003 and one of my roommates showed me Magic Online. That was the beginning of the end and I was playing competitively by summer 2004.

89. Benji Gil Gamesh VII - The Opt-Out Awakens Posted: May 10, 2012 at 09:35 PM (#4128824)

I started playing in 1994, I think. Pretty sure I had played for a short time before Ice Age came out. That was post-college for me. Played quite a bit with a certain group of friends until around 2001/02 or so. We still bust out the decks every now and then but since we're all now in our early 40s it's more of a rarity.

90. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: May 10, 2012 at 09:36 PM (#4128825)

Makes sense. Does "limited" mean you get some random number of starter packs at the opening meeting? Or that you can only use, say, X number of Rares/Uncommons or special cards like multilands or whatever?

Limited generally refers to either sealed deck or draft. In sealed deck, you get 6 booster packs and any number of basic lands and you build a deck from it. In booster draft, you have 3 packs. You open your first pack, pick a card, and pass the rest of the pack to the left, and so on. From the cards you drafted and any number of basic lands you build a deck. Draft is generally considered more skill-testing than sealed. In the event that I link to that I made top 8, the first 9 rounds were sealed deck, then everyone with a record of 7-2 or better participated in two booster drafts (3 rounds each), then the 8 players with the best overall records drafted one more time.

91. Mattbert Posted: May 10, 2012 at 09:38 PM (#4128826)

Kotchman just bought himself a trip to first base with that acting job.

92. Answer Guy. Posted: May 10, 2012 at 09:40 PM (#4128828)

You know it's bad when there's 8 posts in a row in a Game Chatter about Magic: The Gathering.

93. Benji Gil Gamesh VII - The Opt-Out Awakens Posted: May 10, 2012 at 09:41 PM (#4128829)

We tried sealed deck a few times, but most of us enjoyed deck construction as much as the actual gameplay so that's usually what we played.

I built a blue deck once that was literally nothing but land, counters of all stripes, card-drawing mechanisms, Unsummon-type cards, and some deck recyclers like Feldon's Cane. There was absolutely no way to win other than the other guy running out of cards, but the "What the ####?" looks were worth it.

94. Dan Posted: May 10, 2012 at 09:43 PM (#4128830)

I first played casually at the lunchroom table in 4th grade or so, which would have been 1994-1995 when the game first came out in 1993. I stopped a couple years after, then I got to college in 2003 and one of my roommates showed me Magic Online. That was the beginning of the end and I was playing competitively by summer 2004.

The first half of this story was me. I played it with my friends, my brother, and his friends in 4th and 5th grade, then stopped playing.

95. Textbook Editor Posted: May 10, 2012 at 09:45 PM (#4128831)

You know it's bad when there's 8 posts in a row in a Game Chatter about Magic: The Gathering.

I'm rather enjoying this conversation I have no hope of understanding. It's almost a shame you guys couldn't break out a Magic game right here in the Chatter--I'd find it way more interesting than the product on the field... even if I'd have no idea what was going on.

96. Answer Guy. Posted: May 10, 2012 at 09:47 PM (#4128832)

Also, I'm in a better mood now.

It's hard to stay in a bad mood when you've got this playing.

97. Dan Posted: May 10, 2012 at 09:48 PM (#4128837)

Okay I put this game back on since the Nats game is over.

98. Jose is an Absurd Sultan Posted: May 10, 2012 at 09:50 PM (#4128838)

I've never played nor even seen magic played. Even having never played a dungeons and Dragons I have a loose understanding of the general concept but I am completely ignorant of Magic.

I love that though, it's a good reminder that there is a lot of stuff that is meaningful to a lot of people that I have no clue about. I can only assume tht there are many people out there similarly perplexed by my obsession with baseball which fascinates me.

99. Dan Posted: May 10, 2012 at 09:52 PM (#4128840)

The card game I have played lately is Dominion, which is a lot of fun. It doesn't involve personal decks though.

100. Jose is an Absurd Sultan Posted: May 10, 2012 at 09:53 PM (#4128842)

Tie run on deck!

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