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   1. zack Posted: September 21, 2006 at 04:17 PM (#2184052)
So did anyone manage to get NLDS tickets? I tried that second chance carp but they sold out long before I could connect.

I need friends in higher places.
   2. Bob Koo Posted: September 21, 2006 at 06:29 PM (#2184168)
There was a second chance thing? This Sherman piece on Mota makes me happy. Great job by Omar & Co.
   3. Joshemy Posted: September 21, 2006 at 07:01 PM (#2184195)
Pedro is the awesomeness.
   4. Chris in Wicker Park Posted: September 21, 2006 at 07:50 PM (#2184272)
Anyone see this in the Times this morning? Ha.

The Marlins may be fading from the wild-card hunt, but they do not lack for confidence. While Manager Willie Randolph was speaking with the news media before the game, Miguel Cabrera poked his head into the interview room and said, “We’re going to win today.” Randolph stared at him before responding: “You’re going to win today? That’s good. It doesn’t matter much.” Cabrera left, and then Randolph said: “I like his confidence. We’re going to win today, huh? So what? A little too late.”

If anyone would like my two tickets to Saturday's game, email me. I can't likely go.
   5. Old Matt Posted: September 21, 2006 at 09:58 PM (#2184462)
I may have tickets to a NLDS game. Still unsure though.

Go here to download the clincher for free.
   6. Old Matt Posted: September 21, 2006 at 10:01 PM (#2184468)
There was a second chance thing? This Sherman piece on Mota makes me happy. Great job by Omar & Co.

Wow. That rocks. Omar you magnificent bastard!
   7. Joshemy Posted: September 21, 2006 at 10:58 PM (#2184541)
Go here to download the clincher for free.

That is truly awesome.
   8. Banta Posted: September 21, 2006 at 10:59 PM (#2184545)
Man, Pedro needs to rock today.
   9. Sam M. Posted: September 21, 2006 at 11:07 PM (#2184551)
I'll settle for Pedro being solid today, and rocking in his last outing. I ain't asking for much.
   10. Sam M. Posted: September 21, 2006 at 11:09 PM (#2184552)
That "Clinch Time" really sucks. I already downloaded that game for $3.95! Geez . . . .
   11. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: September 21, 2006 at 11:12 PM (#2184553)
Shawn Green is a bad outfielder.
   12. Banta Posted: September 21, 2006 at 11:12 PM (#2184555)
Green's defense really isn't that bad, but maybe I'm just comparing that to Nady.
   13. Banta Posted: September 21, 2006 at 11:13 PM (#2184557)
Russlan, his range isn't good, but he does everything else alright.
   14. Sam M. Posted: September 21, 2006 at 11:15 PM (#2184558)
The change up looks great tonight, but the other stuff? Not convinced yet.
   15. Orange & Blue Velvet Posted: September 21, 2006 at 11:15 PM (#2184559)
Pedro might be the only pitcher in baseball that could dominate with an 83 MPH FB. It boggles the mind.
   16. Bob Koo Posted: September 21, 2006 at 11:16 PM (#2184560)
I'm tracking the game online. How did Pedro look in the first inning?
   17. Banta Posted: September 21, 2006 at 11:17 PM (#2184562)
By Green's range too, I mean, I think he takes a bad first step, because it looks like his routes to the ball are ok. It's just that he isn't very fast anymore, which hurts him overall.
   18. Rob Base Posted: September 21, 2006 at 11:18 PM (#2184564)
He looks like he's throwing the baseball very slowly. That's how he looks.
   19. Banta Posted: September 21, 2006 at 11:19 PM (#2184565)
The change up looks great tonight, but the other stuff? Not convinced yet.

I agree. We really need to see at least five good innings from Pedro tonight.
   20. Sam M. Posted: September 21, 2006 at 11:19 PM (#2184566)
Bob -- He looked like he had excellent command/location on the change. The fastball peaked at 84, and the curve was only so-so (the break was not sharp, but not terrible, and the control not the best). It was good, but nothing like what I want to see by the middle innings.
   21. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: September 21, 2006 at 11:19 PM (#2184567)
I am as big a Pedro-phile as anyone else but 83 isn't good enough for him to dominate.
   22. Rob Base Posted: September 21, 2006 at 11:24 PM (#2184570)
85! Light it up!
   23. Sam M. Posted: September 21, 2006 at 11:25 PM (#2184571)
Pedro with the tailor-made!
   24. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: September 21, 2006 at 11:26 PM (#2184573)
There was an 89 reading on the gun but I don't think it was right.
   25. Sam M. Posted: September 21, 2006 at 11:28 PM (#2184574)
Pedro goes to 86 back-to-back. I think he's warming to the occasion. Nice.
   26. Banta Posted: September 21, 2006 at 11:28 PM (#2184575)
Delgado obviously told Pedro to start throwing a bit harder.
   27. Sam M. Posted: September 21, 2006 at 11:29 PM (#2184577)
I think Delgado told Pedro if he didn't start throwing harder, Giambi would tell Torre to stop coddling him, and then Verducci would be on the phone . . . .
   28. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: September 21, 2006 at 11:31 PM (#2184578)
Is this gun slow? Sanchez is only hitting 88-89.
   29. Sam M. Posted: September 21, 2006 at 11:33 PM (#2184579)
Come and get 'em, Cornelius!!! All yours, baby!
   30. Bob Koo Posted: September 21, 2006 at 11:37 PM (#2184582)
Two scoreless innings from Pedro is quite encouraging...
   31. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: September 21, 2006 at 11:37 PM (#2184583)
I fear I might be rationalizing here but Sanchez didn't hit 90 that inning. Isn't he a guy who is usually at 92-93 and who can hit 95?
   32. Bob Koo Posted: September 21, 2006 at 11:38 PM (#2184587)
Cliff hasn't hit much since he came back. I think Endy needs to play everyday in the playoffs, whether it's in place of Green or Floyd.
   33. Old Matt Posted: September 21, 2006 at 11:42 PM (#2184588)
Petey!
   34. Sam M. Posted: September 21, 2006 at 11:43 PM (#2184589)
Well, the results are perfect. The stuff still isn't where it will need to be. It is MUCH better, though. It's a big step forward, that's certain.
   35. Orange & Blue Velvet Posted: September 21, 2006 at 11:44 PM (#2184591)
Isn't he a guy who is usually at 92-93 and who can hit 95?
Did you watch the game last night? I remember thinking the gun was a tad slow.
   36. Rob Base Posted: September 21, 2006 at 11:50 PM (#2184599)
Wow. How the hell did he get to that.
   37. Banta Posted: September 21, 2006 at 11:51 PM (#2184600)
There are no words for Endy's defense.
   38. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: September 21, 2006 at 11:51 PM (#2184601)
Chavez is clearly better than even Beltran, and Beltran is arguably the best CFer in the league.
   39. Banta Posted: September 21, 2006 at 11:53 PM (#2184605)
Pedro's starting to make me pretty happy.
   40. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: September 21, 2006 at 11:55 PM (#2184606)
5 strikeouts in 4 innings and he hasn't thrown a single pitch harder than 86.
   41. Sam M. Posted: September 21, 2006 at 11:55 PM (#2184607)
His curve ball that inning was a cut above where it's been up until then. This is starting to make me happy, too, Banta.
   42. Orange & Blue Velvet Posted: September 21, 2006 at 11:55 PM (#2184608)
I am as big a Pedro-phile as anyone else but 83 isn't good enough for him to dominate.
Yeah, technically, it shouldn't, but Pedro bends reality with his mind.
   43. Joshemy Posted: September 21, 2006 at 11:56 PM (#2184609)
I have no idea how his stuff looks, but the results from Pedro look mighty fine following online.
   44. Sam M. Posted: September 21, 2006 at 11:59 PM (#2184612)
Well, when you need a little dribbler and hardly any contact, Shawn Green's your man!
   45. Rob Base Posted: September 22, 2006 at 12:00 AM (#2184616)
Yeah, there's a big fork sticking out of Delgado's back. Whatever.
   46. Sam M. Posted: September 22, 2006 at 12:01 AM (#2184617)
Carlos # 2!!! Nice contact, right ON that pitch.
   47. Sam M. Posted: September 22, 2006 at 12:02 AM (#2184618)
Keep it goin', David! That's the way!
   48. Bob Koo Posted: September 22, 2006 at 12:04 AM (#2184620)
I have no idea how his stuff looks, but the results from Pedro look mighty fine following online.

Ditto!
   49. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: September 22, 2006 at 12:10 AM (#2184624)
You got to like Sanchez as a pitcher. Anyone who can throw a quality curveball for a strike behind in the count is going to be good.
   50. Sam M. Posted: September 22, 2006 at 12:16 AM (#2184628)
Darling's all over this: the pitches are starting to get a bit up.
   51. Rob Base Posted: September 22, 2006 at 12:17 AM (#2184630)
Darling: "tantamount"

I guess Yale didn't care much about his SATs.
   52. Sam M. Posted: September 22, 2006 at 12:18 AM (#2184631)
Damn, I hate when Pedro does that with men on base. Ugh.
   53. Orange & Blue Velvet Posted: September 22, 2006 at 12:18 AM (#2184632)
Paramount. Yeah, I caught that, too.
   54. Orange & Blue Velvet Posted: September 22, 2006 at 12:19 AM (#2184634)
Shawn Green is garbage. Hit the cut-off man!
   55. Banta Posted: September 22, 2006 at 12:19 AM (#2184635)
Bah. Pedro's control is completely gone this inning. Not good if he's fatigued this early.
   56. Dr. Vaux Posted: September 22, 2006 at 12:22 AM (#2184636)
Wouldn't it have been nice to let him leave feeling good?
   57. Sam M. Posted: September 22, 2006 at 12:22 AM (#2184637)
This is a HUGE hitter. Difference between a solid outing and a four-run bruising.
   58. Rob Base Posted: September 22, 2006 at 12:23 AM (#2184638)
Thanks, Sam.
   59. Sam M. Posted: September 22, 2006 at 12:25 AM (#2184640)
Damnit. Cohen made a good point, though, comparing to spring training outings. Sometimes that last inning is tough while a guy builds up arm strength. But it's a race against time for Pedro, isn't it?
   60. Dr. Vaux Posted: September 22, 2006 at 12:25 AM (#2184641)
That HAD to happen...
   61. Banta Posted: September 22, 2006 at 12:25 AM (#2184642)
Well, I guess this was a somewhat encouraging start, but Pedro's gonna have to show that he can go more than 70 pitches in his last start without getting tired...
   62. Chris in Wicker Park Posted: September 22, 2006 at 12:26 AM (#2184643)
I still think it was a good outing. Clearly Pedro's putting it together. It was better than his last outing. He's going longer. I'd like to see the velocity come back, but I consider this progress.
   63. Banta Posted: September 22, 2006 at 12:27 AM (#2184644)
I will say though, that Pedro is doing everything that could be realistically expected of him to this point and he's on pace to be "alright" for the playoffs, but I know I was hoping that he was defy expectation...
   64. Sam M. Posted: September 22, 2006 at 12:28 AM (#2184645)
Nice job on Uggla. All in all, OK. He had an excellent change-up. The curve he lost somewhat in that last inning, no doubt. Clearly, he tired as he reached the 70 pitch mark, but hopefully this will build him past that point and he'll sustain it next outing into the 90 pitch range, and then be good for the play-offs. The first four innings were solid.

Besides stamina, though, the velocity is the question mark. Did he reach only 85 because he was keeping it in check, or because that's all he has? Big difference, and we just don't know.
   65. Banta Posted: September 22, 2006 at 12:32 AM (#2184647)
Did he reach only 85 because he was keeping it in check, or because that's all he has?

I'd like to believe that he was keeping it in check, because even in his last start he was throwing a bit faster.

But even more than that, he just wasn't locating his fastball well, which was the only thing he was locating in his first start. He just needs to put everything together, which is easier said than done.

You've got to feel better about his chances for the playoffs after tonight, but he still needs to take one more big step forward in his last start. As Ron just said, ideally, Pedro would have two more starts to sort this out.
   66. Bob Koo Posted: September 22, 2006 at 12:35 AM (#2184652)
Endy > Floyd > Green
   67. Sam M. Posted: September 22, 2006 at 12:41 AM (#2184655)
But even more than that, he just wasn't locating his fastball well, which was the only thing he was locating in his first start. He just needs to put everything together, which is easier said than done.

He was consistently just off the outside corner with the fastball, as if he kept expecting Eddings to call it (or the Marlins' hitters to chase it), and neither thing happened -- except the latter a couple of times. But you could at least say he was consistent with the location, so he was apparently hitting the spot he wanted; it just wasn't getting the result he was after.
   68. Sam M. Posted: September 22, 2006 at 12:45 AM (#2184658)
Endy Chavez: the Anti-Cedeno™.
   69. Orange & Blue Velvet Posted: September 22, 2006 at 12:47 AM (#2184660)
Green just can't start over Endy Chavez...
   70. Banta Posted: September 22, 2006 at 12:48 AM (#2184663)
The way Green is going right now, I highly doubt he'll be a starter on this team next year. He shouldn't be in the playoffs either, but I'm less optimistic about a move being made there.
   71. Sam M. Posted: September 22, 2006 at 12:51 AM (#2184666)
The way Green is going right now, I highly doubt he'll be a starter on this team next year. He shouldn't be in the playoffs either, but I'm less optimistic about a move being made there.

I'm actually getting MORE optimistic day by day. Willie is giving Green every possible opportunity, and all Green is doing is giving Randolph absolutely no excuse but to bench him. Cross your fingers that Green doesn't suddenly get lucky/hot the last week and foul it up.
   72. Orange & Blue Velvet Posted: September 22, 2006 at 12:51 AM (#2184668)
David hasn't hit a HR at home since the ASB and nobody's worried?
   73. Sam M. Posted: September 22, 2006 at 12:53 AM (#2184670)
David hasn't hit a HR at home since the ASB and nobody's worried?

You know what, Emad? If we have to worry about Wright, we may as well call it a post-season right now. He'll either hit productively, or we're probably not going to last long. I have faith -- home runs or not -- he'll hit productively and make his mark.
   74. Sam M. Posted: September 22, 2006 at 12:56 AM (#2184672)
That is hysterical! Cohen just said it is against New York state law to implode Shea (or any other building) once the new stadium is built. So they have to haul it off, piece by piece, which will take 2-3 months. That is ridiculous. I wonder if they can get them to change the law by then?
   75. Old Matt Posted: September 22, 2006 at 12:56 AM (#2184673)
What's the consensus on Pedro?
   76. Orange & Blue Velvet Posted: September 22, 2006 at 01:16 AM (#2184692)
I loathe Shawn Green.
   77. AJMcCringleberry Posted: September 22, 2006 at 01:21 AM (#2184699)
I just walked in. What I gather from here, Pedro got 7 K's in 5 innings with a bad fastball and without his good curve? That sounds like reason to be optimistic.
   78. Rob Base Posted: September 22, 2006 at 01:45 AM (#2184718)
I assume chatter will pick up in the postseason.

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