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   101. Sam M. Posted: July 30, 2006 at 05:47 PM (#2117877)
They have done everything short of dry-humping their legs.

Ew.
   102. Chris Dial Posted: July 30, 2006 at 05:48 PM (#2117882)
Seriously, did any of you think that Beltran would have this big of a season?

Did you not read my preview?
   103. Old Matt Posted: July 30, 2006 at 05:48 PM (#2117884)
Get Marrero in there to catch six innings or something. Lo Duca's played a lot recently.
   104. I have a man crush on David Wright Posted: July 30, 2006 at 05:49 PM (#2117888)
Whatever expectations I had of Beltran coming into this season, he just doubled it. Stache and Chavez doubled it twice.
   105. Raskolnikov Posted: July 30, 2006 at 05:49 PM (#2117890)
Beltran's taken his game to another level and a half. No doubt who the best baseball player in New York City is.
   106. AJMcCringleberry Posted: July 30, 2006 at 05:49 PM (#2117891)
Abreu was pulled from the lineup before the game today.
   107. PreservedFish Posted: July 30, 2006 at 05:49 PM (#2117892)
Seriously, did any of you think that Beltran would have this big of a season?

I didn't. I thought we were signing a very good but overpaid outfielder. I didn't expect one of the best 5 (best 2?) players in baseball.
   108. Sam M. Posted: July 30, 2006 at 05:52 PM (#2117898)
Abreu was pulled from the lineup before the game today.

Aha . . . .

I just got back from Montreal, and managed to come back with less than $1.00 in Canadian money without having to exchange any money at the airport. Pretty good, I think.
   109. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: July 30, 2006 at 05:52 PM (#2117901)
Beltran is having the best year by a Mets' position player ever. True or False?
   110. I have a man crush on David Wright Posted: July 30, 2006 at 05:52 PM (#2117902)
Does anyone still think Beltran should be hitting in the 2 hole? I mean with his low home run production and all.
   111. Old Matt Posted: July 30, 2006 at 05:52 PM (#2117903)
Can someone look up when the last time the Mets swept the Braves in Atlanta? It's never happened in Turner, right?
   112. rb's team is hopeful for the new year! Posted: July 30, 2006 at 05:52 PM (#2117907)
Yeah chris, the choice is between listening to a blowout on the internet while sitting in a chair at the computer or watching a 1-1 game on the couch. I guess that says that I'm not a braves fan. Actually, I'm goiing to go ahead and tell you, don't ever insult my fandom again. Just don't do it. That's a topic you know nothing about. You have no idea how I live and die with this team.
   113. Banta Posted: July 30, 2006 at 05:52 PM (#2117908)
Did you not read my preview?

That was months ago, Dial!

Beltran had to be the biggest flop of 2005. No one should have expected the 2005 Playoff Beltran (although Omar did), but Beltran’s performance was atrocious. He hit for a low average, didn’t walk much and showed a huge drop in power. His ISO fell from a three-year average of 240 to 150. Okay, some of that is Shea Stadium, but he really stunk. He also took it upon himself to bat third and proceeded to bunt with runners on base.

Beltran’s career progression was a nice 108, 126, 136 going into his 28-year old season, where he can be expected to post something similar to his age 27 season. He did not. He posted a 95. That a difference of 35 runs.

Is Beltran going to bounce back? Marcel-like predictors would say that Beltran should produce something like a 120 OPS+. That’d add another 20 runs to the Mets offense.

Okay, Beltran played excellent defense – it wasn’t a completely terrible season.


I don't see anything about a career year in there...
   114. Raskolnikov Posted: July 30, 2006 at 05:53 PM (#2117910)
The Beltran jackpot, along with the Pedro success and the Vlad failure, has convinced me that the Mets should only pursue the cream of any FA market, even if it may appear to be overpaying at the time.

That means Gourriel and Matsuzaka this offseason, IMO.
   115. villainx Posted: July 30, 2006 at 05:54 PM (#2117911)
I didn't expect one of the best 5 (best 2?) players in baseball.


Until he plays in Shea.
   116. AJMcCringleberry Posted: July 30, 2006 at 05:54 PM (#2117918)
Beltran is having the best year by a Mets' position player ever. True or False?

Piazza?
   117. rb's team is hopeful for the new year! Posted: July 30, 2006 at 05:55 PM (#2117920)
Mccann!
   118. I have a man crush on David Wright Posted: July 30, 2006 at 05:55 PM (#2117922)
Glavine still trying to do is best to let the braves catch up.
   119. Banta Posted: July 30, 2006 at 05:56 PM (#2117923)
Can someone look up when the last time the Mets swept the Braves in Atlanta?

I read somewhere today that it was 1985.
   120. PreservedFish Posted: July 30, 2006 at 05:56 PM (#2117927)
That means Gourriel and Matsuzaka this offseason, IMO.

Really? I would never call a player that hasn't played in the major leagues "the cream." Too much uncertainty.
   121. Old Matt Posted: July 30, 2006 at 05:56 PM (#2117928)
Beltran is having the best year by a Mets' position player ever. True or False?

True.

Rosenthal is saying the Abreu deal is all but done. Abreu and Lidle to the Yanks for nothing in return.
   122. villainx Posted: July 30, 2006 at 05:57 PM (#2117929)
Can someone look up when the last time the Mets swept the Braves in Atlanta? It's never happened in Turner, right?

According to the pre game, it was 85 or so that there was a 4 game sweep. A three game sweep occured in 79, I believe. There was a 2 game sweep more recently. But no one counts that, I guess.

One of the smarter guys no doubt can check with exact dates or something.
   123. AJMcCringleberry Posted: July 30, 2006 at 05:57 PM (#2117930)
ESPNews says the Yanks have reached a tentative deal for Abreu. Boo!
   124. Banta Posted: July 30, 2006 at 05:58 PM (#2117934)
Piazza?

Probably not. Piazza's best year with the Mets was 324/398/614. When you factor in defense, Beltran's got that beat (provided he stays close to his current pace, of course).
   125. Sam M. Posted: July 30, 2006 at 05:58 PM (#2117935)
Beltran is having the best year by a Mets' position player ever. True or False?

Hmmmmm . . . The candidates are, I think:

Piazza 2000
Alfonzo 2000
Olerud 1998
HoJo 1989
Strawberry 1988

Personally, I'd vote for Fonzie, 2000, as the best combination of offense and defense. But Beltran is on his way to topping that year, yes.
   126. Srul Itza At Home Posted: July 30, 2006 at 05:59 PM (#2117942)
Great. A free out.

"You stay out of the double play"

Dude, there was already one out, now you don't NEED a double play
   127. Banta Posted: July 30, 2006 at 06:00 PM (#2117943)
Damn it, Glavine.
   128. Srul Itza At Home Posted: July 30, 2006 at 06:00 PM (#2117947)
Tommy, GET AN OUT, DAMMIT.
   129. villainx Posted: July 30, 2006 at 06:01 PM (#2117953)
In the pre game, Willie mentioned something about having Beltran be more aggressive on the base path. I'm mixed about this because I would want Beltran to play his normal game, and if that means a bunch of steals, that's cool. But messing around with a potential injury right when the glory land (playoffs) is within reach. I don't know.

Also, discussing playing with an injury and Lo Duca, Willie mentioned that sometimes players play there best when they are a little dinged up, saying he went through some of his better stretch while playing through an injury, and the same with Reyes earlier in the season. Thus Lo Duca plays on.
   130. Sam M. Posted: July 30, 2006 at 06:01 PM (#2117954)
Glavine is not getting the same outside pitches the Braves' pitchers are getting, by the way.
   131. AJMcCringleberry Posted: July 30, 2006 at 06:01 PM (#2117955)
Dammit Glavine.
   132. Banta Posted: July 30, 2006 at 06:01 PM (#2117958)
Maybe Glavine should go on the DL for a spell.
   133. Old Matt Posted: July 30, 2006 at 06:01 PM (#2117959)
Pedro's performance was "less than overpowering?" Um, no.
   134. rb's team is hopeful for the new year! Posted: July 30, 2006 at 06:02 PM (#2117961)
Gamecast's aybar picture looks alot like a betemit with some arodian lipstick on.
   135. Srul Itza At Home Posted: July 30, 2006 at 06:02 PM (#2117963)
Walk. Home Run. Just about Tied.
   136. PreservedFish Posted: July 30, 2006 at 06:02 PM (#2117965)
What happened to Tom Glavine pitching inside like a bulldog and striking out 6 batters every game? All the talk about his new approach?
   137. rb's team is hopeful for the new year! Posted: July 30, 2006 at 06:03 PM (#2117968)
97 marlin!
   138. Chris Dial Posted: July 30, 2006 at 06:04 PM (#2117972)
Yeah chris, the choice is between listening to a blowout on the internet while sitting in a chair at the computer or watching a 1-1 game on the couch. I guess that says that I'm not a braves fan. Actually, I'm goiing to go ahead and tell you, don't ever insult my fandom again. Just don't do it. That's a topic you know nothing about. You have no idea how I live and die with this team.

And with your dying breath, you change the channel. Spare me.
   139. Sam M. Posted: July 30, 2006 at 06:05 PM (#2117980)
Glavine outsmarted himself this inning. He pitched around Laroche, deciding he'd rather pitch to Aybar with second and third, two outs, and try to get out unscathed, instead of letting Laroche try to get the run home from third w/ less than two outs. Then when Aybar got the hit to drive the runs in, the strategy fell apart, and so did Glavine.
   140. Old Matt Posted: July 30, 2006 at 06:05 PM (#2117984)
Take Glavine out of the game.
   141. Banta Posted: July 30, 2006 at 06:05 PM (#2117985)
Oliver needs to start getting ready.
   142. rb's team is hopeful for the new year! Posted: July 30, 2006 at 06:06 PM (#2117987)
Glavine is not getting the same outside pitches the Braves' pitchers are getting, by the way.

Hilarious.

And with your dying breath, you change the channel. Spare me.

Chris, if you continue on in this vein, you should never again feel safe going to a meetup.
   143. AJMcCringleberry Posted: July 30, 2006 at 06:06 PM (#2117988)
Finally.
   144. Chris Dial Posted: July 30, 2006 at 06:08 PM (#2117994)
Glavine outsmarted himself this inning. He pitched around Laroche, deciding he'd rather pitch to Aybar with second and third, two outs, and try to get out unscathed, instead of letting Laroche try to get the run home from third w/ less than two outs. Then when Aybar got the hit to drive the runs in, the strategy fell apart, and so did Glavine.

Excellent analysis. I agree.
   145. villainx Posted: July 30, 2006 at 06:09 PM (#2118002)
Was 2000 Piazza that bad defensively? I think Piazza is the player to beat. If Piazza was average in 2000, catching just seems much more demanding than CF.
   146. Sam M. Posted: July 30, 2006 at 06:10 PM (#2118006)
Valentin with the good start on the "Don't even THINK about a comeback" response inning.
   147. Chris Dial Posted: July 30, 2006 at 06:11 PM (#2118009)
Chris, if you continue on in this vein, you should never again feel safe going to a meetup

The box of tissues is in the mail.
   148. Banta Posted: July 30, 2006 at 06:12 PM (#2118012)
I still don't think that the Mets should throw too much money at Valentin next year, but I agree with Rask. He's done every so well, I'd be sad to see him go.
   149. villainx Posted: July 30, 2006 at 06:14 PM (#2118022)
Was 2000 Piazza that bad defensively? I think Piazza is the player to beat. If Piazza was average in 2000, catching just seems much more demanding than CF.
   150. Old Matt Posted: July 30, 2006 at 06:15 PM (#2118024)
Stand Pat Gillick got mugged. Mugged. He had no leverage and his hand was forced, but still...wow.
   151. PreservedFish Posted: July 30, 2006 at 06:15 PM (#2118026)
Piazza's bad throwing is probably outweighed by the fact that he was a catcher. And he was good at other non-throwing catcherly duties.
   152. AJMcCringleberry Posted: July 30, 2006 at 06:15 PM (#2118027)
How about another one Carlos?
   153. rb's team is hopeful for the new year! Posted: July 30, 2006 at 06:16 PM (#2118028)
Oh good.
   154. Jeff K. Posted: July 30, 2006 at 06:16 PM (#2118029)
If Beltran hits his 4th here, I will have seen all 4. Which is pretty amazing, considering I rarely watch the Mets.
   155. Sam M. Posted: July 30, 2006 at 06:17 PM (#2118034)
Was 2000 Piazza that bad defensively? I think Piazza is the player to beat.

It's not that he was that bad, but that Alfonzo was tremendous, and a great hitter, too (150 OPS+) -- only nine behind Piazza in OPS+. Piazza's WARP3 in 2000 was 7.8. Fonzie's was 12.1.
   156. Chris Dial Posted: July 30, 2006 at 06:17 PM (#2118038)
rb,
are you saying that the braves fans created in the last 15 years aren't going to be abandoning ship in the near future?

Wheter you plan to or not that IS "what a Braves fan does".

They bail on games like nobody's business. You dumping out in the second inning - ONLY TO HAVE THE BRAVES SCORE THREE, and you come back.

Be a real fan, stay and take your ass-whipping. I'd think if you "live and die with the team" tyou would never just switch off in a blow out.

But I think that because I live and die with the Mets, and not only do I watch games in which they get their ass kicked, I write down every play.
   157. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: July 30, 2006 at 06:18 PM (#2118039)
Boo! I'm kidding.
   158. rb's team is hopeful for the new year! Posted: July 30, 2006 at 06:19 PM (#2118048)
Well, gamecahtter appears to be blown.
   159. Sam M. Posted: July 30, 2006 at 06:20 PM (#2118052)
The ghost of Cleon Jones's shoe polish needed to haunt Bobby Cox!!!!
   160. Jeff K. Posted: July 30, 2006 at 06:22 PM (#2118060)
If Beltran hits his 4th here, I will have seen all 4. Which is pretty amazing, considering I rarely watch the Mets.
   161. Banta Posted: July 30, 2006 at 06:22 PM (#2118061)
Would have liked some more runs there. Hopefully Glavine settles down.
   162. Chris Dial Posted: July 30, 2006 at 06:22 PM (#2118063)
Well, gamecahtter appears to be blown.

I'm having similar posting, so it isn't you.

Why don't you have TBS?
   163. AJMcCringleberry Posted: July 30, 2006 at 06:24 PM (#2118074)
There are ############# snakes on the ############# plane!
   164. I Love LA (OFF) Posted: July 30, 2006 at 06:24 PM (#2118077)
Couldn't we have offered what the Yanks offered for Abreu? I love that guy.
   165. Old Matt Posted: July 30, 2006 at 06:24 PM (#2118078)
Damn you Yankees fans and Bobby Abreu for crashing game chatters.
   166. rb's team is hopeful for the new year! Posted: July 30, 2006 at 06:25 PM (#2118083)
Wheter you plan to or not that IS "what a Braves fan does".

But we're discussing me now, although you appear to want to change the subject because you know my fandom is without reproach.

You dumping out in the second inning - ONLY TO HAVE THE BRAVES SCORE THREE, and you come back.

You, as always, ignore the mitigating factors. A crappy game on the radio in an uncomfortable chair is almost always less interesting than a good game on tv on a comfortable couch, especially when you know you won't be able to see the end of either because you are going to a bbq in 20 minutes.

And you also misunderstand my coming back. I never left. I stayed here for mccann's at bat, and then stuck around for the rest of the inning, because he is going to come up in this inning now.

Like I said, you have no idea. But if you really want to debate my fandom, let's doit in person someday.
   167. rb's team is hopeful for the new year! Posted: July 30, 2006 at 06:26 PM (#2118087)
Wheter you plan to or not that IS "what a Braves fan does".

But we're discussing me now, although you appear to want to change the subject because you know my fandom is without reproach.

You dumping out in the second inning - ONLY TO HAVE THE BRAVES SCORE THREE, and you come back.

You, as always, ignore the mitigating factors. A crappy game on the radio in an uncomfortable chair is almost always less interesting than a good game on tv on a comfortable couch, especially when you know you won't be able to see the end of either because you are going to a bbq in 20 minutes.

And you also misunderstand my coming back. I never left. I stayed here for mccann's at bat, and then stuck around for the rest of the inning, because he is going to come up in this inning now.

Like I said, you have no idea. But if you really want to debate my fandom, let's doit in person someday.
   168. Chris Dial Posted: July 30, 2006 at 06:27 PM (#2118092)
I think this is dead.
   169. Sam M. Posted: July 30, 2006 at 06:27 PM (#2118093)
By the way, the WARPs for the other seasons I mentioned:

Olerud, 1998: 11.4
HoJo, 1989: 9.9
Straw, 1988: 10.0

Wright, 2005: 9.1
Carlos Beltran (so far, 2006): 10.3

Fonzie wins -- but Beltran's comin' up fast!
   170. Srul Itza At Home Posted: July 30, 2006 at 06:28 PM (#2118098)
Come on Tommy, a three up, three down would be nice here.
   171. villainx Posted: July 30, 2006 at 06:29 PM (#2118100)
By the way, James performance has basically screwed my fantasy league team ERA. I've been in the lower half all season, points wise. And every time I take a step forward, James, or someone has basically knocked me back down.
   172. Banta Posted: July 30, 2006 at 06:29 PM (#2118102)
Is the site getting ready to crap out again? I'm having an awful time updating at the moment.
   173. I Love LA (OFF) Posted: July 30, 2006 at 06:29 PM (#2118105)
I can't believe no team is offering more for Abreu. Omar, make a call.
   174. Sam M. Posted: July 30, 2006 at 06:30 PM (#2118107)
Laroche is having a good PA here. Too good, damnit.
   175. Srul Itza At Home Posted: July 30, 2006 at 06:31 PM (#2118110)
Can we get the pitcher here?
   176. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: July 30, 2006 at 06:32 PM (#2118115)
Guess what Abreu's Slugging percentage is right now without looking.
   177. Old Matt Posted: July 30, 2006 at 06:33 PM (#2118118)
There are ############# snakes on the ############# plane!

Picked up my tickets yesterday. 10:00 pm on 8/17/06, the night before it hits everywhere.
   178. villainx Posted: July 30, 2006 at 06:34 PM (#2118119)
By the way, James performance has basically screwed my fantasy league team ERA. I've been in the lower half all season, points wise. And every time I take a step forward, James, or someone has basically knocked me back down.
   179. Banta Posted: July 30, 2006 at 06:34 PM (#2118121)
I can't believe no team is offering more for Abreu. Omar, make a call.

Seriously. This is a horrible trade. The Phillies suck at life.

Hell, you'd think giving Nady straight up for Abreu might be a better deal for them.
   180. IBleedMetsBlueandOrange Posted: July 30, 2006 at 06:34 PM (#2118123)
Start it off Nady!!!!
   181. Chris Dial Posted: July 30, 2006 at 06:35 PM (#2118125)
But we're discussing me now, although you appear to want to change the subject because you know my fandom is without reproach.

Actually, rb, *you* changed it to you.

And you also misunderstand my coming back. I never left.

I misunderstand? You *stated* you were leaving. How did I misunderstand?

Laroche is having a good PA here. Too good, damnit.

It was a good AB, and a good hit.
   182. AJMcCringleberry Posted: July 30, 2006 at 06:35 PM (#2118131)
Guess what Abreu's Slugging percentage is right now without looking.

It's lower than his OBP, right? .430?
   183. IBleedMetsBlueandOrange Posted: July 30, 2006 at 06:37 PM (#2118134)
Start it off Nady!!!!
   184. Old Matt Posted: July 30, 2006 at 06:39 PM (#2118136)
There are ############# snakes on the ############# plane!

Picked up my tickets yesterday. 10:00 pm on 8/17/06, the night before it hits everywhere.
   185. PreservedFish Posted: July 30, 2006 at 06:39 PM (#2118138)
Jose Valentin is ####### phenomenal.
   186. Sam M. Posted: July 30, 2006 at 06:39 PM (#2118140)
The posts do eventually make it. But it takes a while, and it does make conversation difficult.

Good to clear the pitchers' spot here.
   187. Old Matt Posted: July 30, 2006 at 06:41 PM (#2118141)
It would be nice if Glavine could make it through five.
   188. I Love LA (OFF) Posted: July 30, 2006 at 06:41 PM (#2118143)
What are we going to do at 2b next year? I love the Stache, but can we count on him being this good next year?
   189. Banta Posted: July 30, 2006 at 06:44 PM (#2118150)
Larry Mahnken said in the Abreu thread:

To unstick posts, add some sort of character at the end of the page's address, like so:

http://www.baseballthinkfactory.org/files/newsstand/discussion/espncom_mlb_yankees_have_tentative_deal_for_abreu_lidle/a

That will show them to you.


That works, but now I'm having trouble getting my posts to send. Bleh.
   190. I Love LA (OFF) Posted: July 30, 2006 at 06:45 PM (#2118151)
What are we going to do at 2b next year? I love the Stache, but can we count on him being this good next year?
   191. Old Matt Posted: July 30, 2006 at 06:45 PM (#2118154)
What are we going to do at 2b next year? I love the Stache, but can we count on him being this good next year?

Two words: Yulieksy. Gourriel.
   192. Banta Posted: July 30, 2006 at 06:47 PM (#2118157)
Well, things seem to be working now.
   193. AJMcCringleberry Posted: July 30, 2006 at 06:47 PM (#2118158)
Utley extended his hit streak to 30.
   194. Orange & Blue Velvet Posted: July 30, 2006 at 06:47 PM (#2118159)
Two words: Yulieksy. Gourriel.
Three words: New. York. Yankees.
   195. Old Matt Posted: July 30, 2006 at 06:47 PM (#2118160)
Looks like everything is fixed.
   196. Banta Posted: July 30, 2006 at 06:48 PM (#2118162)
Neat stat on Sutter there. 188 of his 300 saves were more than one inning.
   197. Old Matt Posted: July 30, 2006 at 06:49 PM (#2118164)
Three words: New. York. Yankees.

Oh come on. They've got Robbie Cano and now with Abreu added, the payroll will be over $200 million and the luxury tax will be enormous. Omar could easily use his Latino pixie dust and woo Yuliesky.

It'll get done.
   198. Banta Posted: July 30, 2006 at 06:49 PM (#2118165)
Three words: New. York. Yankees.

Replacement. For. Arod?

Or Trade. Robinson. Cano?
   199. I Love LA (OFF) Posted: July 30, 2006 at 06:49 PM (#2118168)
I thought I read the Gourriel news weren't true. If he's available, though, you go for him.
   200. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: July 30, 2006 at 06:49 PM (#2118169)
There's no way Stache is going to be as good as he's been this year. That said, he doesn't have to be as good to be an important part of a good team. Gourriel is an option. Lugo and Castillo are free agents as well.
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