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   1. Ska Posted: September 13, 2006 at 12:09 PM (#2175426)
GO BRAVES! SWEEP.

s.
   2. David Wrightwing obstructionist Posted: September 13, 2006 at 03:46 PM (#2175608)
As great as the clinching the division is gonna be I would love to see Glavine get 2 more wins so he only needs 10 next season. Tonight might be one of his better shots considering our regulars are probably gonna get some good rest until October.

Lets Go Mets

AND

Braves? WTF?
   3. David Wrightwing obstructionist Posted: September 13, 2006 at 03:47 PM (#2175610)
Update now!
   4. David Wrightwing obstructionist Posted: September 13, 2006 at 04:25 PM (#2175651)
The Mets deployed scout Russ Bove to Japan this week to watch Daisuke Matsuzaka, who will be aggressively pursued this November if the Seibu Lions decide to make their star righthander available through the posting process.
-- Newsday
   5. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: September 13, 2006 at 06:04 PM (#2175815)
The Mets have put themselves in a position where they and their fans don't need to root for anyone, especially their long time rivals.
   6. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: September 13, 2006 at 06:10 PM (#2175823)
Unless Glavine exercises his 8.5 million dollar option, I can't see the Mets bringing him back.
   7. Sam M. Posted: September 13, 2006 at 06:18 PM (#2175833)
The Mets have put themselves in a position where they and their fans don't need to root for anyone, especially their long time rivals.

Unless you happen to have September 13th in the office pool . . . .
   8. Willinghammer Posted: September 13, 2006 at 07:49 PM (#2175939)
Glavine is historically tougher on righties, correct? Rubber match and damn do we need it. Rain cost us yet another game last night because JJ had to be removed after only 73 pitches and 5IP.
   9. Sam M. Posted: September 13, 2006 at 07:59 PM (#2175955)
Unless Glavine exercises his 8.5 million dollar option, I can't see the Mets bringing him back.

Well, let's think about this. Glavine has said there are only two teams he'll play for next year, Atlanta and the Mets. Do we really think the Braves -- with their payroll limitations -- are going to be in it for Glavine for more that $8.5M? Or even close to $8.5M? Even if Glavine gives them a hometown discount (possible), I can't imagine they'd come close to that amount, which Glavine can lock in with the Mets (who are almost certain to be a contender, which the Braves may or may not be in 2007) just with the wave of his finger.

I think the odds are pretty good Glavine's back at Shea next season, unless he decides he's willing to consider other teams.
   10. Dan Broderick Posted: September 13, 2006 at 08:41 PM (#2176020)
Has the wild card and 3 divisions sapped some of the excitement out of clinching the division? I remember being incredibly excited in 1986 (I was at the clinching game) and the Mets had even a bigger lead that year. Granted I was twelve years old then and had never seen the Mets in the playoffs and now I have responsibilities (job, wife, house, dog-not necessarily in that order) and I've experienced the playoffs a few times so I'm sure that is part of it. But I just think it was more of a cause for celebration when there was only one spot that a team was eligible for and they claimed it.
   11. Free Rob Base Posted: September 13, 2006 at 09:06 PM (#2176055)
'86 was also different because of the build up from the near misses in '84 and '85 and how long and painful the drought had been in the late 70's and early 80's.
   12. Sam M. Posted: September 13, 2006 at 09:11 PM (#2176058)
Interesting, Dan. I don't really feel the difference -- clinching in 1986 wasn't all that exciting (of course, I wasn't at that particular game, so that could make a difference). The whole regular season, in fact, felt somewhat joyless because the team was SO dominant. It felt methodical, and impressive -- but not emotional to me. Of course, I wasn't 12; I was 24. The post-season, OTOH, was nothing but an emotional roller coaster.

This regular season the team hasn't been quite as dominant, or at least not quite as impressive, as that one was. But in a way, its vulnerability at times (to injuries, if not really to the competition) has made it more human, and hence at least a little more emotional. Or maybe I'm just more that way in my 40s than I was in my 20s? Who knows. But I don't think the WC makes any difference, really, at least not in this particular case. The Mets would have long ago drained the season of any pennant-race drama, WC or not.
   13. Old Matt Posted: September 13, 2006 at 09:13 PM (#2176059)
Daily News said today Maine will be moved to the bullpen during the final week of the season.

Trachsel's starting in the playoffs, boys.
   14. Sam M. Posted: September 13, 2006 at 09:17 PM (#2176063)
Daily News said today Maine will be moved to the bullpen during the final week of the season.

Trachsel's starting in the playoffs, boys.


If that's accurate, I have just one thing to say about it.

Good to see that decisions are made on the merits in Metsville.

Not.
   15. David Wrightwing obstructionist Posted: September 13, 2006 at 09:19 PM (#2176064)
Dan were about the same age, I was 13 when we clinched in 86. 86 as a whole was just a different year, like steveb states the buildup to a great 86 team helped.

I'm sure others felt that way and though I was a kid, there was never any doubt in my mind we were gonna be World Champs(until game 6). The Cardiac Kids never failed that year, it was just a truly amazing year, pun intended. 88 I was pretty excited because like others I felt like we should be a dynasty.

I'm overjoyed this year, obviously more mature, but I will be pretty happy when we get the job done. Long time coming, Braves streak over, I will probably be more excited than I was for the 99 and 00 playoffs.

As far as Glavine, whether he is back with us or not, doesn't matter to me, fact is for as good as he looked start of this year he still only has 13 wins, which may make duplicating that next year(especially on a less talented team) very tough. I want to see him get his 300, he deserves it and deserves to be a first ballot HOF(for certain), IMO.

I'm more excited but I'm sure I just appreciate it more now than I did then.
   16. Old Matt Posted: September 13, 2006 at 09:21 PM (#2176069)
Willie from the article this morning:

Willie Randolph said he may use John Maine in the bullpen the final week of the season, giving him some comfort level there in case the Mets need him in that role in October.

“Right now he’s starting Sunday. After that we’ll see where we are,” the manager said. “There might come a point in time the last three or four or five days or whatever - his last start - I might put him in the bullpen. It’s a possibility.”

While curiosity among observers exists as to whether Maine can unseat Steve Trachsel in a four-man postseason rotation, the Mets may very well make that point moot. The Mets could require as few as three starters in the division series, especially if they draw another division winner in the first round, which would result in off days after Game 1 and Game 3.


Doesn't say Trachsel is starting, but Maine definitely isn't.
   17. Dan Broderick Posted: September 13, 2006 at 09:36 PM (#2176084)
Doesn't say Trachsel is starting, but Maine definitely isn't.

Well there are few a still unknowns. It should be obvious that Maine is the better choice to start but if he has a great start Sunday and Trachsel pitches like Trachsel then maybe Maine can work his way in and Trachsel his way out. Also we don't know for sure about Pedro. He's going to be fine (fingers crossed) but we don't know. Nothing wrong with keeping options open as long as Trachsel doesn't get a start.
   18. I Love LA (OFF) Posted: September 13, 2006 at 10:31 PM (#2176135)
So okay, when are the playoff games scheduled for? Inquiring minds want to know. Right now, i'm hearing Oct. 5th as one of the games, which is totally awesome because I can actually watch the game. At what time do you think the games would start? 5 PST?
   19. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: September 13, 2006 at 10:33 PM (#2176136)
Do you guys think the Mets are considering Perez as a possible option at all for the postseason? Is he even going to get another start in the regular season?
   20. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: September 13, 2006 at 10:34 PM (#2176139)
I think the playoffs begin on Oct. 3rd.
   21. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: September 13, 2006 at 11:40 PM (#2176188)
No clinching tonight.
   22. Banta Posted: September 14, 2006 at 12:42 AM (#2176232)
Who knows what the future may hold, but the Marlins are a pretty good team now. They might even be the second best team in the NL.
   23. Sam M. Posted: September 14, 2006 at 12:47 AM (#2176237)
The Mets could require as few as three starters in the division series, especially if they draw another division winner in the first round, which would result in off days after Game 1 and Game 3.

Exactly. If either the Phillies or the Fish win the WC, I think all our angst about the fourth starter will be moot. They'll go with three if they get that schedule, and neither Trachsel NOR Maine will be in the rotation. But if the WC comes from the other division, then it all becomes very important.

No clinching tonight.

Damn Braves bullpen.
   24. Sam M. Posted: September 14, 2006 at 12:51 AM (#2176238)
Valentin needs a few days off, IMHO.
   25. Orange & Blue Velvet Posted: September 14, 2006 at 12:52 AM (#2176240)
I think the odds are pretty good Glavine's back at Shea next season.
Unless Glavine is taking less than 8.5M, there is no way in hell I take him back. Guys like Glavine (read: mediocre K rates) generally suffer severe and sudden declines. The chance of him turning in a Trachsel type season in 2007 is much greater than the chance of pulling off a sub-3.50 ERA.
   26. Sam M. Posted: September 14, 2006 at 12:56 AM (#2176241)
Unless Glavine is taking less than 8.5M, there is no way in hell I take him back.

You'd have no choice, Emad. That is the figure of Glavine's option. The Mets' option -- after they renegotiated his deal this year -- is at a pricey $14M, IIRC.

Woodward is just a bad, bad hitter. Sometimes gives good, competitive ABs, but rarely gets good results.
   27. Banta Posted: September 14, 2006 at 12:59 AM (#2176242)
Guys like Glavine (read: mediocre K rates) generally suffer severe and sudden declines.

I'm not sure I want Glavine back for next year either, but I think pointing out Glavine's K rate is unfair to him. People have been predicting a big dropoff for Glavine for years and it has yet to come.
   28. Banta Posted: September 14, 2006 at 01:00 AM (#2176243)
The Kool-Aid was very tasty that inning.
   29. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: September 14, 2006 at 01:04 AM (#2176246)
Reyes has been so good this year at starting rallies.
   30. Orange & Blue Velvet Posted: September 14, 2006 at 01:05 AM (#2176247)
You'd have no choice, Emad. That is the figure of Glavine's option. The Mets' option -- after they renegotiated his deal this year -- is at a pricey $14M, IIRC.
I was under the impression the Mets could decline their option and resign him for a more reasonable amount, one considerably lower than the aforementioned figure(s).

IFF not, then it's an incredibly simple decision. 8.5M is much too much.

PECOTA has Glavine's MORP at 2.7M for 2007. OUCH.
   31. Banta Posted: September 14, 2006 at 01:06 AM (#2176248)
Reyes is my favorite Met too. Wright is cool, but Reyes is so damn exciting and upbeat. Plus, I respect small guys who have as much power as he does. I'm a guy of relatively small stature, so we gotta stick together.

That's why Pedro was one of my favorite pitchers even before the Mets got him.
   32. Banta Posted: September 14, 2006 at 01:07 AM (#2176251)
Blowduca, you just suck, pal.
   33. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: September 14, 2006 at 01:09 AM (#2176254)
Emad, it is Glavine's choice to pitch next season at that price.
   34. Banta Posted: September 14, 2006 at 01:12 AM (#2176255)
It's not the money with Glavine... with a one year deal especially, the Mets can really spend just about anything. It's that if Glavine sucks completely, he'll still be in the rotation, no matter what. That's why I'd be concerned about him returning. He could pose a bigger problem next year than Trachsel has at any point this season.
   35. Sam M. Posted: September 14, 2006 at 01:15 AM (#2176257)
I was under the impression the Mets could decline their option and resign him for a more reasonable amount, one considerably lower than the aforementioned figure(s).

IFF not, then it's an incredibly simple decision. 8.5M is much too much.


Here's the deal:

Tom Glavine and the New York Mets have restructured his contract, delaying some payments and adding an option for 2007.
Glavine had been due to make $10.5 million this year, of which $5.25 million was to be deferred at 6 percent interest.

Under the new deal, which the Mets confirmed Monday, Glavine's salary this year is reduced to $7.5 million, of which $2.25 million is payable during the season, with the rest deferred at 6 percent.

The new contract contains a 2007 player option at $5.5 million and a $12 million team option, both with a $3 million buyout. The player option would increase by $1 million each for 180, 190 and 200 innings this year, and the team option would increase by $2 million if he throws 180 innings this year.

If either option is exercised, and Glavine's 2007 salary is less than $14 million, he could have performance bonuses that would raise his earnings that year to $14 million.


So: Glavine came into tonight with 172 IP. His player option is going to be somewhere between $6.5-8.5M, depending on where he ends up between 180 and 200 innings. That's totally up to Glavine: he tells the Mets he's coming back, and he has a contract for up to $8.5M, depending on the innings. If he says no, then it's up to the Mets to decide whether to invoke THEIR option at $14M (once he reaches 180 innings).
   36. Banta Posted: September 14, 2006 at 01:16 AM (#2176260)
That's such a stupid throw from #######.
   37. Sam M. Posted: September 14, 2006 at 01:17 AM (#2176261)
The defense has been most unkind to Mota. Good for the defense.
   38. Banta Posted: September 14, 2006 at 01:24 AM (#2176269)
That was just an incredible job from Mota.
   39. Orange & Blue Velvet Posted: September 14, 2006 at 01:24 AM (#2176270)
Thanks for the clarification, Sam.

Mota holding it down nicely.
   40. Sam M. Posted: September 14, 2006 at 01:24 AM (#2176271)
Borowski has to be one tired pitcher tonight. Let's get him, boys.
   41. Sam M. Posted: September 14, 2006 at 01:27 AM (#2176275)
Excellent start. Keep it going, Father Time.
   42. Sam M. Posted: September 14, 2006 at 01:32 AM (#2176279)
OK, now we're in business . . . but the bottom of the order. And Valentin is slumping badly.
   43. Banta Posted: September 14, 2006 at 01:34 AM (#2176281)
Pinchhitting for Milledge, but not for Franco. I guess I shouldn't be surprised.
   44. Sam M. Posted: September 14, 2006 at 01:34 AM (#2176282)
Carlos # 2. Can't ask for a better match-up than this . . . .
   45. Joshemy Posted: September 14, 2006 at 01:36 AM (#2176284)
Come on Willie, this is a perfect spot to let Milledge hit and see what he can do. And it's not like he has sucked today. He's been 2-3.
   46. Banta Posted: September 14, 2006 at 01:36 AM (#2176285)
Whoo!! That was very lucky!
   47. Sam M. Posted: September 14, 2006 at 01:37 AM (#2176286)
Gotta love it!!!!!!!!
   48. Orange & Blue Velvet Posted: September 14, 2006 at 01:39 AM (#2176289)
Ricky Ledee? Was Tucker too busy?
   49. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: September 14, 2006 at 01:39 AM (#2176290)
Considering the other options, it might have been prudent from the Marlins point of view to walk Delgado.
   50. Joshemy Posted: September 14, 2006 at 01:39 AM (#2176291)
Ricky Ledee is pretty much a useless piece of ####.
   51. Sam M. Posted: September 14, 2006 at 01:40 AM (#2176293)
Ledee is awful.

I agree w/ the decision to PH there, by the way. With a right-handed closer, you can't leave the Delgado bullet unfired. The Mets may be playing out the string, but the Marlins aren't. I think you have to play the game with some seriousness; you owe that to the Padres, Phillies, etc. Not bringing in Delgado in that situation would cross the line, I think. It's an arguable point, though.
   52. Sam M. Posted: September 14, 2006 at 01:42 AM (#2176295)
Throw strikes, Aaron.
   53. Sam M. Posted: September 14, 2006 at 01:44 AM (#2176304)
Jacobs is very dangerous here . . . .
   54. Sam M. Posted: September 14, 2006 at 01:47 AM (#2176305)
Good stuff, Aaron. But I wish you'd quit pitching from behind, my man.
   55. Orange & Blue Velvet Posted: September 14, 2006 at 01:49 AM (#2176308)
This bullpen is tremendous. Very rarely do they spit the bit.
   56. Banta Posted: September 14, 2006 at 01:50 AM (#2176310)
With a right-handed closer, you can't leave the Delgado bullet unfired.

Definitely, I just would have hit Delgado over Franco instead of over Milledge.
   57. Sam M. Posted: September 14, 2006 at 01:52 AM (#2176314)
Definitely, I just would have hit Delgado over Franco instead of over Milledge.

But at that point, you didn't have the tying run in scoring position; Wright was still at first base. I think that would've been firing the bullet too soon. It wasn't until Floyd walked that using Delgado became the right strategy, I think, and then not until after Valentin.
   58. Raskolnikov Posted: September 14, 2006 at 01:52 AM (#2176315)
Battle of the bullpens. I like our chances.

That pickup of Mota has been tremendous. I like Mota/Heilman/Wagner a lot.
   59. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: September 14, 2006 at 01:53 AM (#2176317)
Heilman falls in love with his changeup. It's a nasty pitch so I can't blame him but that's why he tends to fall behind. He's got a great fastball as well that he should use more.
   60. Raskolnikov Posted: September 14, 2006 at 01:55 AM (#2176320)
Beltran is so good...
   61. Sam M. Posted: September 14, 2006 at 01:56 AM (#2176323)
How annoying is it, by the way, that we've gotten the Marlins' broadcast for all of the games in this series on MLB.tv? I mean, the Mets could have been going for the clincher tonight -- I'd have loved to have heard the Mets' announcers for that game, at least.

Two out hits are such a mixed blessing . . . . even doubles. Come on, David -- make this one count!
   62. Banta Posted: September 14, 2006 at 01:59 AM (#2176330)
David should have taken a hack at one of those intentional balls.
   63. Sam M. Posted: September 14, 2006 at 02:02 AM (#2176333)
Great pitching there. Got ahead, worked it.
   64. Sam M. Posted: September 14, 2006 at 02:05 AM (#2176336)
Nasty!!!! Two wonderful innings from Heilman.
   65. Banta Posted: September 14, 2006 at 02:05 AM (#2176337)
Excellent work from Heilman.
   66. Joshemy Posted: September 14, 2006 at 02:06 AM (#2176339)
Heilman rocks my socks.
   67. Sam M. Posted: September 14, 2006 at 02:12 AM (#2176343)
A WP there would have been far better than an HBP. Darnit.
   68. Sam M. Posted: September 14, 2006 at 02:18 AM (#2176349)
And the Fish help us out, big-time!
   69. Orange & Blue Velvet Posted: September 14, 2006 at 02:19 AM (#2176350)
Hey, Jose. STOP SWINGING LIKE AN #######.
   70. Sam M. Posted: September 14, 2006 at 02:20 AM (#2176351)
Good idea by Hanley, but really bad execution. And they help us out even more.
   71. Banta Posted: September 14, 2006 at 02:21 AM (#2176352)
Well then, I guess the Marlins aren't that good afterall.
   72. Orange & Blue Velvet Posted: September 14, 2006 at 02:21 AM (#2176353)
Would you look at HanRam? Kid looks devastated. Almost makes you feel sorry for him... almost.
   73. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: September 14, 2006 at 02:22 AM (#2176354)
Emad, Reyes was 2-5 tonight when you criticized him.
   74. Sam M. Posted: September 14, 2006 at 02:22 AM (#2176355)
Well, it looks like we're on the verge of claiming scalp # 3, even if the Braves didn't help us out with the clinching thing . . .
   75. Orange & Blue Velvet Posted: September 14, 2006 at 02:25 AM (#2176358)
Emad, Reyes was 2-5 tonight when you criticized him.
Those first two swings were just dreadful. I overreacted.
   76. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: September 14, 2006 at 02:27 AM (#2176359)
Remember last year when Cabrera pretty much offically ended the Mets' playoff chances when he hit a double against Takatsu?

I think the Mets are doing the same thing right now.
   77. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: September 14, 2006 at 02:31 AM (#2176363)
this bullpen is just a little fantastic.
   78. Sam M. Posted: September 14, 2006 at 02:33 AM (#2176367)
First the Nats.

Then the Braves.

Now the Marlins.

One more to go . . . . we're coming for you, Phillies. The magic number is two.
   79. Banta Posted: September 14, 2006 at 02:34 AM (#2176368)
Another great win. Magic number 2. 10-7 to go for 100 victories.

Pedro starting on Friday with a great chance of the clinch happening then. Life is good.
   80. Sam M. Posted: September 14, 2006 at 02:35 AM (#2176369)
First time in the majors to 90 wins, by the way. 10-7 to 100 wins. Magic.
   81. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: September 14, 2006 at 02:37 AM (#2176371)
I hope the Mets beat up on the Marlins in their series in Shea. Plant some doubt doe next season.
   82. Joshemy Posted: September 14, 2006 at 02:39 AM (#2176375)
Win! Magic Number is Brian Leetch!
   83. Old Matt Posted: September 14, 2006 at 02:48 AM (#2176381)
Two.
   84. AJMcCringleberry Posted: September 14, 2006 at 03:11 AM (#2176394)
I see I missed a good one. Our bullpen is incredible.

Pedro starting on Friday with a great chance of the clinch happening then.

Seems like the perfect time to bring out my Pedro shirt, it's been in the back of the closet since he's been hurt.
   85. Sam M. Posted: September 14, 2006 at 03:15 AM (#2176399)
The Marlins are a good, solid team. If Loria keeps them together (questionable), they have a very good chance to keep getting better, though I'd bet that by 2008 (if not before) at least a couple of the key pieces are gone. If they didn't still have four games left with the Mets (in New York, no less), I'd say that despite these last two games they were still right in the heart of the WC race. As it is, they still have a shot, but it's going to be a real uphill climb now, after the outcomes of the Phillies and Padres games tonight.

The Mets had to really fight hard (and take advantage of their HUGE bullpen superiority) to win the last two nights, which is a real tribute to them that they didn't just mail it in (last night in particular, in the slop). Now, I hope it's really set up to clinch in Pedro's return Friday . . . let's hope the Braves help out a bit tomorrow, reduce it to one, and give us total control Friday.
   86. Willinghammer Posted: September 14, 2006 at 07:54 AM (#2176511)
man, good series yall. i just got home from work so missed another Marlins bullpen meltdown...hope yall clinch soon. ive got real respect for anyone who is a mets fan considering all the NYY bandwagoners.

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