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1. Long Time Reader, First time Poster Posted: September 16, 2006 at 01:53 PM (#2178729)

Hey Primates... I have 2 extra tickets to Mets home game 2 in Division Series that I'd like to trade for 2 tickets to Mets home game 1.... doesn't matter to me where the seats are.. I just want to be there:) Let me know if you are interested....

Thanks,

Joe

2. PatrickInTheWoods, Apostate Posted: September 16, 2006 at 02:07 PM (#2178737)

This Phillies fan would like to congratulate the Mets on a job well done (ahead of time). You've finally vanquished the godless Braves, a feat my star crossed Phils never seemed up to accomplishing, even though they gd well should have.

I better get outta here before I embarass my self any more...

3. Spencer Benedict Posted: September 16, 2006 at 04:30 PM (#2178792)

Let's get this started. I'll save Sam the keystrokes.

Sam M. Posted: September 15, 2006 at 10:18 AM (#2177606)

And here we go. The greatest magic number of all, <strike>Pedro</strike> El Duque back on the mound, a season's worth of wonderful games and great performances all leading to this. A game some of us (if we're old enough) have been waiting 18 years for the Mets to play.

Here's hoping they win, that the biggest contributions come from the guys who've meant the most all year (that means you, Carlos # 1, Jose, and David), that <strike>Pedro</strike> El Duque pitches well (and holds up), that he is able to go five and get the "W," and that it isn't too hard for poor Xavier Nady to watch from the opposite dugout.

And if the Mets don't win, I hope the Phillies do. I want to clinch on the field, not on the scoreboard.

4. Raskolnikov Posted: September 16, 2006 at 04:35 PM (#2178794)

Dammit, we're facing another lefty. Who are they going to throw out there next, Randy Tomlin?

5. manchestermets Posted: September 16, 2006 at 07:45 PM (#2178954)

Phillies have scored 4 in the top of the 7th to break up a scoreless game.

6. Old Matt Posted: September 16, 2006 at 09:14 PM (#2179012)

7. Sam M. Posted: September 16, 2006 at 10:21 PM (#2179048)

Let's get this started. I'll save Sam the keystrokes.

Thanks, Tom. But I'll be absent for the chat tonight. See last night's chat for details. I'd say I'm conflicted and part of me hopes they lose tonight so I can see them clinch tomorrow, but that'd be a lie: I NEVER want them to lose, period. If I miss it, I miss it. Worse comes to worse, if tonight is the clincher, I'll download, have it forever, and watch it at my leisure.

Oh, and how about them Cards??? Kicking Hurricane butt!

8. AJMcCringleberry Posted: September 16, 2006 at 11:08 PM (#2179094)

Well that wasn't good.

9. Raskolnikov Posted: September 16, 2006 at 11:13 PM (#2179096)

Beltran puts up the best ABs on this team.

10. Banta Posted: September 16, 2006 at 11:14 PM (#2179097)

There we go! First inning run off a lefthander!

11. AJMcCringleberry Posted: September 16, 2006 at 11:14 PM (#2179098)

Yay Delgado!

12. Raskolnikov Posted: September 16, 2006 at 11:15 PM (#2179101)

Delgado! Drawing early blood!

13. Orange & Blue Velvet Posted: September 16, 2006 at 11:16 PM (#2179102)

Tremendous AB by Wright.

14. Raskolnikov Posted: September 16, 2006 at 11:18 PM (#2179103)

Okay, we need "October" Duque tonight. No excuses.

15. Banta Posted: September 16, 2006 at 11:23 PM (#2179105)

Well, so far, so good.

16. Raskolnikov Posted: September 16, 2006 at 11:26 PM (#2179106)

Good 1st inning. Eight more to go for the champagne.

17. Raskolnikov Posted: September 16, 2006 at 11:28 PM (#2179108)

Floyd used to be good. What happened to those days?

18. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: September 16, 2006 at 11:29 PM (#2179109)

it's nice that sam stopped by at the start of a date to say hi and wish bonne chance.

19. Zeba Zeba Eata Posted: September 16, 2006 at 11:29 PM (#2179110)

Good hustle, Shawn!

20. Banta Posted: September 16, 2006 at 11:29 PM (#2179111)

That's some nice hustle from Green.

21. AJMcCringleberry Posted: September 16, 2006 at 11:29 PM (#2179112)

Green making like Reyes.

22. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: September 16, 2006 at 11:30 PM (#2179114)

WOW. how'd that happen?!

23. Banta Posted: September 16, 2006 at 11:30 PM (#2179115)

I'm thinking Valentin needs to give up this switch hitting again soon.

24. Raskolnikov Posted: September 16, 2006 at 11:32 PM (#2179116)

C'mon let's poke in one more. Green can be useful, I guess.

25. AJMcCringleberry Posted: September 16, 2006 at 11:34 PM (#2179117)

#### Bay.

26. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: September 16, 2006 at 11:36 PM (#2179118)

imagine if the mets had jason bay?

27. Raskolnikov Posted: September 16, 2006 at 11:41 PM (#2179120)

Damn you, Steve Phillips. (shaking fist at the heavens.)

28. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: September 16, 2006 at 11:47 PM (#2179123)

i do like the mets announcing tandems.

dunno how much i'd like em if they weren't my teams announcers.

29. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: September 16, 2006 at 11:48 PM (#2179124)

oh man, keith making fun of McCarver.

30. Banta Posted: September 16, 2006 at 11:49 PM (#2179125)

On SNY Keith was doing a Tim McCarver impression. It was outstanding.

31. AJMcCringleberry Posted: September 17, 2006 at 12:09 AM (#2179132)

Haha! He almost hit the pitcher on that throw.

32. Zeba Zeba Eata Posted: September 17, 2006 at 12:10 AM (#2179133)

Keith is in rare form tonight.

33. Zeba Zeba Eata Posted: September 17, 2006 at 12:10 AM (#2179134)

This ump's strike zone is awfully wide.

34. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: September 17, 2006 at 12:10 AM (#2179135)

the entire thing about sandwiches was excellent too.

35. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: September 17, 2006 at 12:20 AM (#2179141)

aww, nady will get a postseason share. that's nice.

36. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: September 17, 2006 at 12:23 AM (#2179142)

that wasn't a strike! but i'll take it.

37. Banta Posted: September 17, 2006 at 12:35 AM (#2179146)

I like it when Delgado is rolling.

38. AJMcCringleberry Posted: September 17, 2006 at 12:36 AM (#2179147)

Delgado with another hit.

39. Banta Posted: September 17, 2006 at 12:37 AM (#2179148)

Man, Wright has been having terrible at bats.

40. Orange & Blue Velvet Posted: September 17, 2006 at 12:37 AM (#2179149)

David Wright is turning into one overrated ballplayer.

41. Banta Posted: September 17, 2006 at 12:38 AM (#2179150)

David Wright is turning into one overrated ballplayer.

I wouldn't go that far, but unless he heats it up in the last two weeks, this is gonna be a pretty disappointing season in that he didn't show any improvement.

42. Banta Posted: September 17, 2006 at 12:44 AM (#2179153)

So, El Duque is basically the Mets ace now, eh?

43. Zeba Zeba Eata Posted: September 17, 2006 at 12:46 AM (#2179156)

Pretty much. He's probably the pitcher I would trust the most.

44. Zeba Zeba Eata Posted: September 17, 2006 at 12:47 AM (#2179158)

*starting* pitcher, that is. I'd trust pretty much every reliever first.

45. Orange & Blue Velvet Posted: September 17, 2006 at 12:56 AM (#2179161)

I wouldn't go that far, but unless he heats it up in the last two weeks, this is gonna be a pretty disappointing season in that he didn't show any improvement.

I would take it even further... I think this year has been a MASSIVE disappointment. Probably as bad as I could imagine his year could be. Dreadful defense. Lousy power production post-ASB. Swinging at garbage in the dirt. Terrible AB's.

46. AJMcCringleberry Posted: September 17, 2006 at 01:00 AM (#2179163)

Great throw!

47. Banta Posted: September 17, 2006 at 01:00 AM (#2179164)

Beltran is a hero to the masses.

48. Zeba Zeba Eata Posted: September 17, 2006 at 01:00 AM (#2179165)

Sweet throw by Carlos!

49. manchestermets Posted: September 17, 2006 at 01:00 AM (#2179166)

MVP!

50. Banta Posted: September 17, 2006 at 01:06 AM (#2179169)

I think this year has been a MASSIVE disappointment. Probably as bad as I could imagine his year could be.

He's having the same season as he did last year, which is why I wouldn't classify it as MASSIVELY disappointing, it would take a regression to do that. It do agree though that it is worrisome that he's having his season in the order that he's having it, meaning an excellent first half, followed by a poor (by his standards) second half. If he had started slowly and shown more progression, then I'd feel better. And his defense is very concerning too, since even though he looked more solid for a few weeks after the All Star break (resulting in the slight uptick in his Dial defensive stats), the last few weeks it looks like he's reverted. He simply gets a very poor read on balls and there almost a play a day to his right or left that should be made.

It's disappointing, but it's far too early to read into this very much, but if his defense doesn't improve and his offense stagnates, he won't be a top player like we've all expected. But I think it's unfair to expect that yet. He's still very young.

51. Orange & Blue Velvet Posted: September 17, 2006 at 01:08 AM (#2179172)

Great AB Carlos! What an offensive juggernaut we have!

52. AJMcCringleberry Posted: September 17, 2006 at 01:12 AM (#2179176)

What a weird slide.

53. Orange & Blue Velvet Posted: September 17, 2006 at 01:13 AM (#2179177)

He's having the same season as he did last year, which is why I wouldn't classify it as MASSIVELY disappointing.

But you are supposed to IMPROVE from your age 22 season to your age 23 season (something like 8%). Having the same year IS regressing.

54. Zeba Zeba Eata Posted: September 17, 2006 at 01:16 AM (#2179181)

Great outing for Duque... time to get him the W.

55. Orange & Blue Velvet Posted: September 17, 2006 at 01:18 AM (#2179182)

Great outing for Duque... time to get him the W.

He's thrown 113 pitches and just a few weeks ago complained of a tired arm. You think, maybe, Duque was left in too long?

56. Zeba Zeba Eata Posted: September 17, 2006 at 01:19 AM (#2179183)

Pittsburgh going with the all-lefty-pitcher strategy, which sadly seems wise.

57. Orange & Blue Velvet Posted: September 17, 2006 at 01:20 AM (#2179184)

Hey Wright... YOU ####### SUCK.

58. Banta Posted: September 17, 2006 at 01:22 AM (#2179186)

But you are supposed to IMPROVE from your age 22 season to your age 23 season (something like 8%). Having the same year IS regressing.

Yeah, on an average. Doesn't mean that every player will follow that trend. If Wright improves 16% next year or whatever the amount is from 22 to 24, it really won't matter.

The fact is he'll be a 24 year old player coming into next season with a career OPS of 900 in 1200 at bats. There's still a lot of room for growth there.

59. Zeba Zeba Eata Posted: September 17, 2006 at 01:22 AM (#2179187)

Ideally he would have thrown a few less, but he didn't look to be tiring at all. I'd make sure to give him an extra day or two before the next start, but I don't think 113 is a big problem.

60. Banta Posted: September 17, 2006 at 01:25 AM (#2179188)

Well, here's a good example of what I'm getting at.

A certain Mr. MVP's Age 23 season

61. Banta Posted: September 17, 2006 at 01:26 AM (#2179190)

I guess I'm cheating though since Beltran didn't get a full season's worth of ABs that year.

62. Zeba Zeba Eata Posted: September 17, 2006 at 01:28 AM (#2179191)

I'm not saying I would start El Duque in Game 1, but I'm not saying I wouldn't, either.

63. Banta Posted: September 17, 2006 at 01:32 AM (#2179194)

I'm not saying I would start El Duque in Game 1, but I'm not saying I wouldn't, either.

That's pretty much how I'm feeling today. Let's hope Glavine and Pedro finish strong to render that idea moot.

64. Old Matt Posted: September 17, 2006 at 01:36 AM (#2179195)

Hey, just turned it on. Did El Duque really pitch that well?

65. Zeba Zeba Eata Posted: September 17, 2006 at 01:38 AM (#2179196)

Pretty much a standard good Duque performance - hitters off balance, throwing strikes. Just one bad pitch to Bay that got hammered, really.

66. Banta Posted: September 17, 2006 at 01:39 AM (#2179197)

Did El Duque really pitch that well?

He pitched as well as he always does when he isn't blown up early.

67. Zeba Zeba Eata Posted: September 17, 2006 at 01:40 AM (#2179199)

I agree with Keith on the pinch-running opportunity - get Chavez or Milledge in there.

68. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: September 17, 2006 at 01:42 AM (#2179201)

Remember when Delgado was struggling and people began wondering whether it would have been better to keep Jacobs? Remember last year when everyone thought Glavine was done last year?

Pedro, even post prime Pedro, is still an incredible talent. He put a 2.50 ERA in the first two months of the season with the similar stuff to what he had last night. He was a little rusty last night.

Trust me, Pedro is going to pitch very well in the playoffs.

69. Zeba Zeba Eata Posted: September 17, 2006 at 01:46 AM (#2179203)

I wouldn't be concerned about Pedro if I knew he was (even mostly) healthy, but his own words and actions do not indicate that he is. I'm still pretty confident, but he seems worried, and that makes me worried.

70. Orange & Blue Velvet Posted: September 17, 2006 at 01:58 AM (#2179206)

I ####### hate this team.

71. Zeba Zeba Eata Posted: September 17, 2006 at 01:58 AM (#2179207)

####

72. Banta Posted: September 17, 2006 at 01:59 AM (#2179208)

Well, these last couple days have really taken the wind out of our sails. I'm not feeling very optimistic about the postseason anymore. We'll see how I feel tomorrow.

73. AJMcCringleberry Posted: September 17, 2006 at 01:59 AM (#2179209)

Dammit. Maybe they want to clinch at home...

74. Old Matt Posted: September 17, 2006 at 01:59 AM (#2179210)

Wow. ####.

75. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: September 17, 2006 at 02:00 AM (#2179211)

Well, that sucked.

I'm still pretty confident, but he seems worried, and that makes me worried.

I think he's more annoyed/frustrated at his performance than worried.

76. Old Matt Posted: September 17, 2006 at 02:01 AM (#2179212)

1:35 start tomorrow. Phils start at 2:05. I like that.

Unfortunately, the Eagles are playing a big game tomorrow at 1:05.

77. Banta Posted: September 17, 2006 at 02:04 AM (#2179215)

I can't watch the game tomorrow no matter what, because of the stupid WB11!

78. 1k5v3L

Posted: September 17, 2006 at 02:09 AM (#2179216)

It's a good thing for the Mets that the Pirates won't win the wild card...

79. Dog on the sidewalk has an ugly bracelet Posted: September 17, 2006 at 03:29 AM (#2179233)

It's just too bad they won't get to play the Diamondbacks either.

80. 1k5v3L

Posted: September 17, 2006 at 04:04 AM (#2179238)

the dbacks lost all hope once they sent their heart and soul shawn green to the mets...

how's he doing these days, btw?

[checks stats]

whoa, 2 homers! is he on pace to break the career home run mark for mets rightfielders? it's a given that he's the best defensive right fielder in mets history...

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