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   1. Joshemy Posted: September 27, 2006 at 02:09 PM (#2189088)
Pedro is the awesomeness.
   2. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: September 27, 2006 at 04:41 PM (#2189239)
It hasn't gotten much publicity due to his uncertain status for the playoffs but Pedro's only three strikeouts away from 3000 for his career.
   3. Corn On Ty Cobb Posted: September 27, 2006 at 07:28 PM (#2189395)
Tim Hudson is the opposite of awesomeness.
   4. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: September 27, 2006 at 09:34 PM (#2189555)
John Maine is starting on Saturday.
   5. Old Matt Posted: September 27, 2006 at 10:53 PM (#2189638)
Anyone other than Andrew Hintz win LCS tickets today?
   6. Benji Posted: September 27, 2006 at 11:16 PM (#2189657)
Just dropped in to do my first ".....sucks" for a Met.

Heath Bell sucks.
   7. rLr Is King Of The Romans And Above Grammar Posted: September 27, 2006 at 11:29 PM (#2189668)
Anyone other than Andrew Hintz win LCS tickets today?

I understand Dick Hertz won a pair, too.
   8. Benji Posted: September 27, 2006 at 11:32 PM (#2189671)
How about Mike Hunt or Al Bumin?
   9. rLr Is King Of The Romans And Above Grammar Posted: September 27, 2006 at 11:40 PM (#2189677)
How about Mike Hunt or Al Bumin?

Nope, they missed out, but I think Mick Ock is going to be there.
   10. AJMcCringleberry Posted: September 27, 2006 at 11:49 PM (#2189686)
Got up to 86 MPH to Giles.
   11. Banta Posted: September 27, 2006 at 11:50 PM (#2189688)
If Pedro isn't touching 88 for a decent period of time during this game, I'm gonna be very worried.

Great play by Reyes.
   12. Sam M. Posted: September 27, 2006 at 11:50 PM (#2189689)
I'm less worried about velocity in the first inning than I am in the third and thereafter. When he's right, Pedro usually has been able to bring it up in the later innings and when he needs it.
   13. AJMcCringleberry Posted: September 27, 2006 at 11:51 PM (#2189690)
86 again to Renteria. His curve doesn't look too bad.
   14. AJMcCringleberry Posted: September 27, 2006 at 11:54 PM (#2189695)
I'm less worried about velocity in the first inning than I am in the third and thereafter. When he's right, Pedro usually has been able to bring it up in the later innings and when he needs it.

Yup. Plus it still doesn't look like Pedro getting a lot of push off his leg.
   15. Banta Posted: September 27, 2006 at 11:55 PM (#2189696)
Green is awesome at making more than one out.
   16. Sam M. Posted: September 27, 2006 at 11:55 PM (#2189697)
I am getting so frigging sick of that, I can't begin to tell you. Inning Over™ is just a total disaster.
   17. AJMcCringleberry Posted: September 27, 2006 at 11:56 PM (#2189699)
Green sucks. Can someone kidnap him until the playoffs are over?
   18. Banta Posted: September 27, 2006 at 11:57 PM (#2189700)
I am very excited about Castro being back.
   19. Banta Posted: September 27, 2006 at 11:59 PM (#2189704)
Can someone kidnap him until the playoffs are over?

I suppose I could make alterations to my Lima kidnapping plan, but if I kidnap a Jew, don't I run the risk of getting nuked?
   20. Sam M. Posted: September 28, 2006 at 12:00 AM (#2189705)
He didn't look good against Jones -- at all. No follow through.
   21. Banta Posted: September 28, 2006 at 12:02 AM (#2189707)
I'm starting to think that Pedro shouldn't be starting in the playoffs.
   22. Sam M. Posted: September 28, 2006 at 12:02 AM (#2189708)
You just can't get behind hitters. Pedro, or anybody. Not good hitters; not even OK hitters. Not Brian McCann.
   23. AJMcCringleberry Posted: September 28, 2006 at 12:02 AM (#2189709)
Pedro can't leave that pitch up like that.
   24. Orange & Blue Velvet Posted: September 28, 2006 at 12:05 AM (#2189711)
I'm starting to think that Pedro shouldn't be starting in the playoffs.
Ditto. Shut Pedro down and get him ready for 2007. The Mets World Series chances are ostensibly nil, so it would be really stupid to risk further injury.
   25. Sam M. Posted: September 28, 2006 at 12:06 AM (#2189712)
The command just isn't there right now the way it was against Florida. That's what is troubling me. Forget velocity.
   26. rLr Is King Of The Romans And Above Grammar Posted: September 28, 2006 at 12:06 AM (#2189713)
Green sucks. Can someone kidnap him until the playoffs are over?

Just get some Mets fan rabbi (of whom there are many) schedule some extra High Holy Days during October and leave him off the roster for reasons of "cultural sensitivity." Isn't the Jewish tradition all about reinterpretation?
   27. Sam M. Posted: September 28, 2006 at 12:07 AM (#2189715)
Ditto. Shut Pedro down and get him ready for 2007. The Mets World Series chances are ostensibly nil, so it would be really stupid to risk further injury.

Wow. Nothing more. Just . . . wow.
   28. Banta Posted: September 28, 2006 at 12:08 AM (#2189716)
Hopefully, the Mets decide not to go with Pedro in the playoffs, they decide that John Maine is the third starter and not Trachsel. Because I think the Mets could still be ok without Pedro, but having to start Trachsel twice in a 7 game series is a really bad idea.
   29. Banta Posted: September 28, 2006 at 12:09 AM (#2189717)
I meant to say IF the Mets decide not to start Pedro. I'm not encouraged right now, but I'm not counting Pedro out yet.
   30. AJMcCringleberry Posted: September 28, 2006 at 12:10 AM (#2189719)
There is no way that Pedro doesn't start if he's healthy enough to go out there.
   31. Banta Posted: September 28, 2006 at 12:12 AM (#2189720)
Whooo! We can root for benching LoDuca again!
   32. AJMcCringleberry Posted: September 28, 2006 at 12:13 AM (#2189722)
That wasn't a good bunt.
   33. Banta Posted: September 28, 2006 at 12:14 AM (#2189724)
Pedro doesn't start if he's healthy enough to go out there.

The thing is, it's very debateable whether he's even healthy enough to go out there NOW.
   34. Sam M. Posted: September 28, 2006 at 12:15 AM (#2189726)
That wasn't a good bunt.

Inning Over™ would have bunted into a DP. Guaranteed.
   35. Banta Posted: September 28, 2006 at 12:15 AM (#2189728)
I want Reyes to get two triples today. Give him a shot at 20.
   36. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: September 28, 2006 at 12:16 AM (#2189729)
Obviously, this is a chatter so it is going to be reactionary but let's see how he finishs the game before makign any judgements.
   37. AJMcCringleberry Posted: September 28, 2006 at 12:18 AM (#2189733)
I wish he would hit his 20th homer. I'm tired of waiting.
   38. Sam M. Posted: September 28, 2006 at 12:18 AM (#2189734)
it's very debateable whether he's even healthy enough to go out there NOW.

If I'm Randolph, I say this to Pedro: "Give me one inning like you're going to give me next week. Just one like you have it. Show me what you have. I need to see it, like I needed to see what Cliff could give me. If you're holding it back, that's OK, and even smart. But I need to see that you have something you're holding back. One inning."
   39. Banta Posted: September 28, 2006 at 12:19 AM (#2189736)
It's gonna be very disappointing if Beltran doesn't break the Mets homerun record.
   40. AJMcCringleberry Posted: September 28, 2006 at 12:20 AM (#2189740)
And I wish Beltran would hurry up and tie, then pass, Hundley.
   41. Orange & Blue Velvet Posted: September 28, 2006 at 12:22 AM (#2189743)
Wow. Nothing more. Just . . . wow.
It's not just Pedro i'm worried about. It's Glavine's flakiness, Wright's power outage, Valentin's regression, Green's presence, Floyd, Beltran and LoDuca hobbling and grimacing. Are these not valid reasons for pessimism?
   42. Banta Posted: September 28, 2006 at 12:23 AM (#2189745)
Are these not valid reasons for pessimism?

Not in the National League. For the World Series, sure!
   43. Шĥy Posted: September 28, 2006 at 12:23 AM (#2189746)
The Mets are the best team in the NL by a fairly large margin. How can you be pessimistic?
   44. Sam M. Posted: September 28, 2006 at 12:24 AM (#2189748)
Are these not valid reasons for pessimism?

Be anything you like, Emad. I see the best team in the NL, and I'm not going to worry about games that are the equivalent of spring training games.
   45. Banta Posted: September 28, 2006 at 12:25 AM (#2189750)
Pedro is toast.
   46. Sam M. Posted: September 28, 2006 at 12:25 AM (#2189751)
Re. Pedro, OTOH, there is substantial reason for pessimism. And it's growing.
   47. Orange & Blue Velvet Posted: September 28, 2006 at 12:25 AM (#2189752)
Pedro's calf is torn. Get him the #### off the mound before you ruin him for 2007. Please!
   48. Sam M. Posted: September 28, 2006 at 12:26 AM (#2189756)
It's not helping that Castro is calling for fastball after fastball. But that's not the big issue, of course.
   49. Corn On Ty Cobb Posted: September 28, 2006 at 12:29 AM (#2189761)
McCann is a beast.
   50. Banta Posted: September 28, 2006 at 12:30 AM (#2189764)
Guys, there's just no way that Pedro can start in the playoffs. Frankly, Oliver Perez has a better chance of turning in a good start. Pedro has NOTHING and although Emad is awfully pessimistic, it's very possible that Pedro's calf problem is considerably worse than suspected.
   51. AJMcCringleberry Posted: September 28, 2006 at 12:31 AM (#2189766)
At this point I'm glad the FSN video feed is out.
   52. Bob Koo Posted: September 28, 2006 at 12:32 AM (#2189768)
I'm only tracking the game online, but it seems like at this point in time, the Mets are better off with Maine starting a game instead of Pedro.
   53. Sam M. Posted: September 28, 2006 at 12:32 AM (#2189769)
Honestly, I'm going to get ripped for this, or people will say I'm making excuses, but I'm going to say it anyway: I blame Ramon Castro. He just keeps calling for fastballs. This is ludicrous. He hasn't thrown hardly any change-ups, and maybe a handfull of curves. It's BP out there.

Now, the stuff is awful, too. But if you don't mix up the pitches, what do you expect??? There is something strange going on with the pitch calling here.
   54. Textbook Editor Posted: September 28, 2006 at 12:34 AM (#2189771)
I suspect Pedro will have a chance to have his very own "bloody sock" moment in the playoffs, and if the Mets win the WS I think no one will care if he doesn't throw another meaningful pitch over the last 2 years of the contract...

Having him be a 2- or 3-inning "long reliever" in the playoffs is an interesting idea, though. Have him shadow Trachsel in the games he starts and bring him in after the 3rd or 4th inning and see if he can take you to Wagner. It's completely unorthodox and there's not a chance in hell Randolph does it, but it is an interesting idea, because maybe if you told him "just give me everything you have for 2 innings" you might yield a better return than him trying to will his body through 5 or 6 innings.
   55. NTNgod Posted: September 28, 2006 at 12:35 AM (#2189772)
Once again, Turner Field might prove to be the place where the Mets' hopes took a hit.

Not in the way that was expected coming into the year, of course.
   56. Sam M. Posted: September 28, 2006 at 12:36 AM (#2189774)
Well, this is sad now. I hope that's the end of Pedro's season right there. Ouch.
   57. Banta Posted: September 28, 2006 at 12:36 AM (#2189775)
Sam, the pitch calling hasn't been good, but ####, Pedro isn't located ANY of his pitches at ANY point in this game. Odds are he was gonna get beat up no matter what.
   58. Banta Posted: September 28, 2006 at 12:37 AM (#2189777)
Isn't? Hasn't!
   59. Chip Posted: September 28, 2006 at 12:38 AM (#2189779)
Honestly, I'm going to get ripped for this, or people will say I'm making excuses, but I'm going to say it anyway: I blame Ramon Castro. He just keeps calling for fastballs. This is ludicrous. He hasn't thrown hardly any change-ups, and maybe a handfull of curves. It's BP out there.

Now, the stuff is awful, too. But if you don't mix up the pitches, what do you expect??? There is something strange going on with the pitch calling here.


The Renteria double, at the very least, was a 74 MPH piece of junk - a changeup that did nothing, I'd guess - so it hasn't ALL been fastballs.

And anyway, since when did Pedro let a catcher dictate what he was going to throw? There's only one decider in a Pedro start, and it ain't Ramon Castro.
   60. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: September 28, 2006 at 12:38 AM (#2189781)
Well, that was a beatdown. Does he make a start in the LDS or not?
   61. Bob Koo Posted: September 28, 2006 at 12:39 AM (#2189783)
In a way, this can be a good thing. It could be worse if Pedro's stuff was bad, but he was getting lucky.
Now, if only Willie realizes a similar problem concerning our starting corner outfielders...
   62. Sam M. Posted: September 28, 2006 at 12:39 AM (#2189784)
# 54 -- Not a bad thought. Creative, and it gives some hope of some value he might be able to contribute. But I doubt it at this point. We're all guessing here, but my guess is that if he could do it ONCE for two innings, at that point he'd need a week before he'd be able to do it again.

And that's just not enough. Remember the Maine.

The only hope I have now is if this was a totally intentional decision to come out, throw almost nothing but fastballs for the sole purpose of just working on that pitch, and not worry about the results. The chances of that? Zero.
   63. Chip Posted: September 28, 2006 at 12:40 AM (#2189786)
The pitch on the Hudson double also came in at 74 MPH.
   64. Sam M. Posted: September 28, 2006 at 12:44 AM (#2189790)
The pitch on the Hudson double also came in at 74 MPH.

Are you sure that wasn't his fastball, Chip? :-(

Look, I don't really dispute the overall consensus here: the uncertainty that was left after the Florida start really was erased by this disaster. At least we know. Now it's up to Randolph (and Minaya, I suppose) to do what has to be done, isn't it?
   65. AJMcCringleberry Posted: September 28, 2006 at 12:44 AM (#2189791)
I don't even know what to say. It really sucks to see Pedro struggling like this.
   66. Banta Posted: September 28, 2006 at 12:44 AM (#2189792)
We're all guessing here, but my guess is that if he could do it ONCE for two innings, at that point he'd need a week before he'd be able to do it again.

Exactly. At this point, every reliever in the bullpen is far more reliable than Pedro.
   67. Banta Posted: September 28, 2006 at 12:47 AM (#2189796)
If Trachsel throws a game three, I'm gonna be very disappointed in the Mets braintrust.
   68. Bob Koo Posted: September 28, 2006 at 12:49 AM (#2189798)
Anyone other than Andrew Hintz win LCS tickets today?

Man, I didn't even know that we had to re-register for the NLCS. The cool thing is that my friend, who I registered since she didn't sign up for the NLDS, won! Woot!
   69. Banta Posted: September 28, 2006 at 12:50 AM (#2189799)
I can't really say this enough... starting Trachsel over Maine in a game four situation, while maybe not the best choice, most likely isn't gonna kill you. Starting Trachsel in a game three situation, leaving him the possibility of starting a GAME SEVEN... that's something completely different.
   70. Benji Posted: September 28, 2006 at 12:51 AM (#2189803)
Benson was worse than Pedro tonight. I still thank God we're not saddled with those two maroons.
   71. Old Matt Posted: September 28, 2006 at 12:52 AM (#2189804)
Oh good god.

I just checked the score.
   72. Textbook Editor Posted: September 28, 2006 at 12:52 AM (#2189805)
Sam M.--true enough. But look at it this way: is it worth the 11th pitcher spot on the roster to have Pedro available for 2 key innings in a short series? I'd argue that, extra-inning games aside (which you can't reasonably plan for when you construct your roster for a 5-game series), the 11th guy in the pen might not see 2 innings of work the entire series. So you basically say, "Pedro, at some point we're going to call on you to go 2 innings as hard as you can. Be ready." And then you think of him as your emergency, 11th guy in the pen guy. Maybe Game 1 goes into extra innings and he comes out and gets you through the 10th and 11th and gives the rest of the pen a break so it's not taxed for Games 2-5 even if you lose Game 1. Or maybe he gets you to the 5th when Maine or Trachsel gives up 5 runs in the first 2 innings of Game 3. If they can just think of Pedro in these terms, I think they'll be OK.

I would just hate to see him start a game, get shelled, find out later he did it with a torn calf, and then watch him be a shell of himself the rest of his career. That would stink.
   73. NTNgod Posted: September 28, 2006 at 12:55 AM (#2189809)
Starting Trachsel in a game three situation, leaving him the possibility of starting a GAME SEVEN

In a five-game series?

There'd be time to reshuffle a bit before the NLCS, if events warranted...
   74. rLr Is King Of The Romans And Above Grammar Posted: September 28, 2006 at 12:55 AM (#2189810)
That wasn't Pedro, boys. That was Dick Hertz.
   75. Banta Posted: September 28, 2006 at 01:04 AM (#2189821)
Jesus Christ, Wright, your errors are ####### outrageous.
   76. Joshemy Posted: September 28, 2006 at 01:12 AM (#2189826)
Um, I just saw the score. ####.

So, Glavine, El Duque, Maine, Trachsel, then Glavine again for the 5 games?

I put Pedro on the playoff roster, no matter what, by the way. Even if he is the last reliever or shadows a starter in the bullpen, he should get a spot, even if he isn't starting. He is still one of the 11 best pitchers the Mets have.

My feeling on this from the Mets perspective is that as long as Pedro says he's healthy, he'll start a game, but not game 1 so he doesn't possibly have to pitch twice. And he will have Maine or Trachsel shadowing him.

But, really, who knows at this point. Damnit.
   77. Bob Koo Posted: September 28, 2006 at 01:16 AM (#2189828)
I would go El Duque in games 1 & 5, Glavine in Game 2 (since he wants to stay on schedule), then Maine and Trachsel. If we get an extra off day, then it's dependent on if we're up 2-1 or down 2-1. If up 2-1, start Trachsel. If down 2-1, start El Duque and then Glavine on short rest in Game 5.
   78. Banta Posted: September 28, 2006 at 01:16 AM (#2189829)
He is still one of the 11 best pitchers the Mets have.

Watching him tonight, I'm definitely not convinced of that.
   79. Bob Koo Posted: September 28, 2006 at 01:21 AM (#2189830)
I know that these games don't matter, but it sure would be nice to see the team score some runs. Or at least a couple.
   80. rLr Is King Of The Romans And Above Grammar Posted: September 28, 2006 at 01:25 AM (#2189834)
They just wouldn't be the Mets if they didn't find a way to rain on their fans' parade.
   81. Banta Posted: September 28, 2006 at 01:26 AM (#2189836)
Getting carpetbombed by the Braves doesn't have the same ZING it used to.

Still doesn't feel great though.
   82. Cutter Posted: September 28, 2006 at 01:27 AM (#2189839)
Pedro is the awesomeness.
Not lately, it seems.
   83. Banta Posted: September 28, 2006 at 01:29 AM (#2189841)
Well, uh, holy ####.
   84. Zeba Zeba Eata Posted: September 28, 2006 at 01:30 AM (#2189846)
This sucks.
   85. Banta Posted: September 28, 2006 at 01:31 AM (#2189847)
If this doesn't piss the Mets off, they're dead.
   86. Banta Posted: September 28, 2006 at 01:32 AM (#2189849)
They're gonna kill Oliver's ERA tonight.
   87. Chris Dial Posted: September 28, 2006 at 01:34 AM (#2189851)
You guys suck as fans.

HTH.
   88. rLr Is King Of The Romans And Above Grammar Posted: September 28, 2006 at 01:36 AM (#2189855)
You guys suck as fans.

I think they've just been traumatized by years of Mets ineptitude and bumbling. They expect the worst and it's not an unreasonable expectation. I think Mets fans should be on mood stabilizers.
   89. Banta Posted: September 28, 2006 at 01:38 AM (#2189857)
You guys suck as fans.

That seems uncalled for!
   90. Chris Dial Posted: September 28, 2006 at 01:38 AM (#2189858)
it's not an unreasonable expectation.

This season it most certainly is. We're a very good team that is slumping briefly.
   91. rLr Is King Of The Romans And Above Grammar Posted: September 28, 2006 at 01:41 AM (#2189861)
This season it most certainly is. We're a very good team that is slumping briefly.

But they are still trapped in the memories of all the carnage that came before. Not everybody is blessed with an evaporating memory.
   92. Banta Posted: September 28, 2006 at 01:44 AM (#2189868)
I just want to say, I might be critical, but I'm still expecting this team to win the World Series. It won't be easy, but I have several hundred bucks saying that it will.
   93. Kyle S Posted: September 28, 2006 at 01:44 AM (#2189869)
Man, where were these Braves in June? Sheesh.

That McCann might turn into a decent player someday.
   94. Banta Posted: September 28, 2006 at 01:48 AM (#2189877)
Langerhans is really quite a defensive player.
   95. Chris Dial Posted: September 28, 2006 at 01:50 AM (#2189878)
But they are still trapped in the memories of all the carnage that came before

WTF? We've only clinched like this twice before, and most of these guys were snot-nosed kids - if that.

They don't *have* any memories of Mets' collapses. There's no carnage - it's just pure silliness.
   96. Chris Dial Posted: September 28, 2006 at 01:52 AM (#2189882)
Langerhans is great defensively. Even chasing down Wright's drive earlier. Andruw wouldn't have gotten there. He's a player a smart team will trade for.
   97. Chris Dial Posted: September 28, 2006 at 01:54 AM (#2189888)
Humber looks pretty good at least.
   98. Banta Posted: September 28, 2006 at 01:55 AM (#2189892)
Humber looked pretty sweet.
   99. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: September 28, 2006 at 01:56 AM (#2189893)

They don't *have* any memories of Mets' collapses.



Uh...clearly you've blacked out September of 1998!
   100. Banta Posted: September 28, 2006 at 02:00 AM (#2189895)
Holy crap, the Astros have tied it up.
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