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   1. Bob Koo Posted: June 10, 2006 at 06:04 PM (#2059187)
This is a house money game. Pedro's due to win tomorrow (his mound opponent is Russ Ortiz, after all) and a 5-2 foray through LA and Arizona would be just dandy.
   2. Raskolnikov Posted: June 10, 2006 at 06:19 PM (#2059215)
The way everything is rolling for the Mets right now, I feel fairly good about this game - about as confident as one can feel going up against a Cy Young candidate. I think Soler can keep the Mets close, then the Mets bats try to take the game against the AZ bullpen. Beltran looks like one of the top 10 players in baseball again. Have the Mets ever had 2 players as good as Beltran and Wright at the same time?
   3. Benji Posted: June 10, 2006 at 06:31 PM (#2059228)
Never 2 hitters as good, but Seaver and Koosman for pitchers was a great duo.
   4. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: June 10, 2006 at 07:51 PM (#2059325)
Arizona has gone in the tank since the Grimsley incident. Here's to hoping it continues.
   5. Jay Is Simply Without Words Today... Posted: June 10, 2006 at 09:09 PM (#2059424)
I feel good about this game as well. I'm wondering if the middle of the MVP voting this year is going to be as divided as it was in 98 when Piazza, Fonzie, and Ventura all made the top 10. Beltran's gotta be top three right now, though.

On an unrelated note, if you guys haven't seen The Dugout yet today, it's great. "a bi-a bell, boible. holery" is now my new sig. :)
   6. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: June 10, 2006 at 11:12 PM (#2059480)
Carlos Delgado is 2nd in the NL in zone rating. Can't say I agree with that.
   7. Old Matt Posted: June 10, 2006 at 11:22 PM (#2059485)
Carlos Beltran has raised his batting average 28 points in the last three games.

Not bad.
   8. Ska Posted: June 11, 2006 at 12:27 AM (#2059511)
Great to see Game 3 of the NLCS from 1986 on SNY. What a wonderful thing to see, Strawsome (and then some) tying the game in the 6th with a 3 run HR of Bob Knepper. The scene is pure and innocent, no thoughts of the drug an alcohol and legal hassles to follow. No conjecture about whether the ball was juiced, or Straw's biceps were juiced. Now if someone hits a HR, you think "What are they taking?". And the folks who deserve the lion's share of the blame are the players for refusing testing and refusing to acknowledge a problem. Indeed, it's a sad day when Jose Canseco ends up being the prescient and sincere one.

s.
   9. Sam M. Posted: June 11, 2006 at 01:29 AM (#2059543)
Have the Mets ever had 2 players as good as Beltran and Wright at the same time?

I'd say Alfonzo and Piazza, 2000. Their value as a second baseman and catcher, respectively, each hitting as they did was enormous. Let's see where Carlos # 1 and DW end up come October fefore we compare.
   10. Sam M. Posted: June 11, 2006 at 01:33 AM (#2059545)
Oh, and two things for OFF if he's around:

Argentina!!!

And second, don't tell me again that goalkeepers can't make for entertaining, fantastic soccer. Because I'll just have two words for you: Shaka. Hislop.
   11. Шĥy Posted: June 11, 2006 at 01:34 AM (#2059547)
This morning, BP had the Mets having a 92% chance to make the playoffs.
   12. Sam M. Posted: June 11, 2006 at 01:43 AM (#2059550)
Good approach in that PA by Lo Duca. Make Webb bring the ball up, or you are doomed. He got ahead 3-1 by laying off the sinker.
   13. Banta Posted: June 11, 2006 at 01:43 AM (#2059551)
Wow, Beltran rocks!
   14. Sam M. Posted: June 11, 2006 at 01:44 AM (#2059552)
Scorching! Geez, even Webb can't stop Beltran. Can anyone right now???
   15. Sam M. Posted: June 11, 2006 at 01:45 AM (#2059554)
I wish Delgado had given Beltran a chance to steal third, get there with less than two outs. Oh, well.
   16. Sam M. Posted: June 11, 2006 at 01:47 AM (#2059556)
Wright and Beltran continue their pursuit of Fonzie/Piazza 2000! And the fun times continue to roll!
   17. Banta Posted: June 11, 2006 at 01:47 AM (#2059557)
And Wright!

You might need to adjust what you said about Fonzie and Piazza if this keeps up, Sam. Wright and Beltran are out of this world right now.

Two runs in the first against Webb?! That's incredible.
   18. Old Matt Posted: June 11, 2006 at 01:47 AM (#2059558)
I'm about to go out, but I thought I'd stop by and say WOW!
   19. Free Rob Base Posted: June 11, 2006 at 01:49 AM (#2059560)
Wow -- we are hot right now.
   20. Banta Posted: June 11, 2006 at 01:49 AM (#2059561)
Holy crap. This is awesome. Valentin is some sort of god.
   21. Old Matt Posted: June 11, 2006 at 01:49 AM (#2059562)
Mustacho!
   22. AJMcCringleberry Posted: June 11, 2006 at 01:49 AM (#2059563)
I love this team!
   23. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: June 11, 2006 at 01:49 AM (#2059564)
Mustache!
   24. Sam M. Posted: June 11, 2006 at 01:49 AM (#2059565)
Valentin does it, too! And Wright comes all the way home -- good baserunning.
   25. Sam M. Posted: June 11, 2006 at 01:51 AM (#2059566)
Since the Lo Duca AB, Webb hasn't really been getting the ball down consistently. He doesn't look like the same pitcher he was in New York.
   26. Free Rob Base Posted: June 11, 2006 at 01:52 AM (#2059568)
That woulda been fun.
   27. Sam M. Posted: June 11, 2006 at 01:53 AM (#2059569)
Wow, that was incompetent, but effective, by Byrnes.
   28. AJMcCringleberry Posted: June 11, 2006 at 01:53 AM (#2059570)
That would've been an inside the park homer.
   29. Old Matt Posted: June 11, 2006 at 01:53 AM (#2059571)
Would have loved to see Ender rounding the bases on that one.

Leaving now, bring it home Alain.
   30. AJMcCringleberry Posted: June 11, 2006 at 01:54 AM (#2059572)
28 pitches for Webb. Nice.
   31. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: June 11, 2006 at 01:55 AM (#2059573)
Brynes makes an easy play a lot harder than necessary. BTW, I was surprised by how well TnT played against Sweden today.
   32. Eric in Madison Posted: June 11, 2006 at 01:58 AM (#2059574)
Yeah, great result for TnT today. Their keeper was out of his mind.
   33. Banta Posted: June 11, 2006 at 01:59 AM (#2059575)
Good inning, Soler!
   34. Free Rob Base Posted: June 11, 2006 at 01:59 AM (#2059576)
I can't believe I am just noticing this now, but the d'backs sleeveless uni's are a joke.
   35. Sam M. Posted: June 11, 2006 at 01:59 AM (#2059577)
Wonderful start for Soler! Just what the doctor ordered with a 3-0 lead.
   36. Banta Posted: June 11, 2006 at 02:03 AM (#2059578)
Soler is gonna hit a homerun someday. Might take ten years, but it will happen.
   37. Sam M. Posted: June 11, 2006 at 02:04 AM (#2059579)
Yeah, against poor Reyes, Webb finds his A+ sinker. Against everybody else, he's leaving the ball thigh-high.
   38. Raskolnikov Posted: June 11, 2006 at 02:07 AM (#2059581)
I just want to see Beltran come to bat again. Also, try to make Webb waste as many pitches as possible.
   39. Raskolnikov Posted: June 11, 2006 at 02:09 AM (#2059582)
England looked strong in its first match. If Owen and Rooney are close to their peak form, they're top 3 in this tourney and one of the few with a shot against Brazil. Gerrard and Lampard just owned the midfield against Paraguay,
   40. Eric in Madison Posted: June 11, 2006 at 02:10 AM (#2059583)
Note from another game: Joe Mauer just set a rather obscure major league record. He has reached base 4 times in 5 straight games, which is a record. Ruth, Bonds, a couple other guys had done it 4 straight.
   41. Raskolnikov Posted: June 11, 2006 at 02:13 AM (#2059584)
Joe Mauer is possibly the best story this year. A catcher who is challenging .400? I don't think there's any historic comparable to Mauer, and that is a good indication of greatness.
   42. AJMcCringleberry Posted: June 11, 2006 at 02:13 AM (#2059585)
Nice play by Valentin.
   43. Raskolnikov Posted: June 11, 2006 at 02:14 AM (#2059586)
5 out of the 6 retired on the ground by Soler. Isn't Webb supposed to be the groundball machine?
   44. Sam M. Posted: June 11, 2006 at 02:15 AM (#2059587)
England looked strong in its first match.

I missed that game, but most commentators didn't see it quite that way. They bemoaned the lack of finishing & creativity, a perennial complaint against England (especially in the Erickson era).

Soler got squeezed a touch on some close pitches that inning (not the walk), and didn't let it bother him a bit. Very good to see.
   45. Banta Posted: June 11, 2006 at 02:18 AM (#2059588)
Not much Beltran could do about that pitch. That was disgusting.
   46. Orange & Blue Velvet Posted: June 11, 2006 at 02:20 AM (#2059589)
Well... Webb is officially on cruise control.
   47. AJMcCringleberry Posted: June 11, 2006 at 02:20 AM (#2059590)
5 straight K's, I think he found his groove.
   48. Raskolnikov Posted: June 11, 2006 at 02:20 AM (#2059591)
I think Webb has found his groove. I don't know if we're going to score on him again. At least we made him burn some pitches.
   49. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: June 11, 2006 at 02:21 AM (#2059592)
Webb doesn't look like he's going to give up too much the rest of the night.
   50. Sam M. Posted: June 11, 2006 at 02:21 AM (#2059593)
Well, Webb is now Webb. Glad we got three runs before he showed up. The questions are, can we make them stand up long enough to force them to pinch-hit, and then can we do some business against their bullpen?
   51. Sam M. Posted: June 11, 2006 at 02:23 AM (#2059594)
Maybe Hudson will get picked off of second base tonight.
   52. Banta Posted: June 11, 2006 at 02:24 AM (#2059595)
And that's LoDuca's best throw of the year.
   53. Sam M. Posted: June 11, 2006 at 02:24 AM (#2059597)
Damn, that was a risky play by Lo Duca. Not a good risk, even though it worked. Whew.
   54. AJMcCringleberry Posted: June 11, 2006 at 02:25 AM (#2059598)
Nice throw!
   55. Sam M. Posted: June 11, 2006 at 02:33 AM (#2059601)
Way to direct it, Gonzo. Soler living a little lucky there, with the call at third base and then that liner right to Valentin. Works for me, certainly.
   56. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: June 11, 2006 at 02:34 AM (#2059602)
Well, everything is going right for the Mets. I have a feeling the Mets are going to win tonight.
   57. Sam M. Posted: June 11, 2006 at 02:39 AM (#2059605)
Welke says, "Take that, rookie." And Milledge gives him a look he probably shouldn't have.
   58. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: June 11, 2006 at 02:42 AM (#2059606)
I know it is easier said than done, but Milledge shouldn't be swinging at that pitch with Endy stealing and two strikes.
   59. Banta Posted: June 11, 2006 at 02:43 AM (#2059609)
Soler is getting squeezed.
   60. Sam M. Posted: June 11, 2006 at 02:44 AM (#2059610)
Lead-off walk = bad. Three walks now, in 3+ innings = very bad. This was what Soler avoided against LA. Command is going to be his key issue, obviously.
   61. Sam M. Posted: June 11, 2006 at 02:47 AM (#2059611)
Soler again pitches around some tight calls. Notwithstanding the walks, that is just a great thing for a young pitcher to be able to do.
   62. Raskolnikov Posted: June 11, 2006 at 02:54 AM (#2059613)
After tonight, I hope we don't have to see Webb again this year.
   63. Banta Posted: June 11, 2006 at 02:56 AM (#2059614)
That was a great inning.
   64. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: June 11, 2006 at 02:59 AM (#2059618)
If the Mets don't score here, they won't score against Webb again.
   65. Banta Posted: June 11, 2006 at 03:02 AM (#2059619)
Well, this game is moving right along.
   66. Raskolnikov Posted: June 11, 2006 at 03:04 AM (#2059620)
For all the criticism that Beltran doesn't run as much as he used to, he's still the smartest runner in the game.

Not much to say when Webb and Soler have been pitching like they have tonight.
   67. Sam M. Posted: June 11, 2006 at 03:07 AM (#2059621)
Well, I'm sold. Soler's for real. Poise, a good array of off-speed pitches, just enough velocity and movement to have an honest fastball the hitters have to respect. He can be a back-end rotation guy for the rest of the year, and I'm comfortable with that.
   68. Raskolnikov Posted: June 11, 2006 at 03:11 AM (#2059622)
I wonder if Soler is still rounding back into shape. He did have an extended period away from competitive ball.
   69. Sam M. Posted: June 11, 2006 at 03:12 AM (#2059623)
I hope we don't have to see Webb again this year.

I'd be thrilled to see Webb again this year. It would mean we're facing the Snakes in the play-offs, and this is a team, even with Webb, I wouldn't mind the Mets seeing in October. They're very talented, but I don't think they're very well managed and they don't play good defense. Compared to other teams we might face, the Diamondbacks would be OK, that's for sure.
   70. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: June 11, 2006 at 03:13 AM (#2059624)
That's an intriguing idea, Rask. I don't know if it's true or not but I think he could be a number 2-3 type starter with just a little more velocity on his fastball.
   71. Raskolnikov Posted: June 11, 2006 at 03:13 AM (#2059625)
Facing Webb twice in a short span should be a good learning experience for Milledge. I think his promotion to the top of the lineup is inevitable.
   72. Dr. Vaux Posted: June 11, 2006 at 03:14 AM (#2059626)
Yep, he'll make a good mop-up man when Bannister gets back.

(Why do I keep hammering that? Hernandez will get injured soon enough even if Willie wants to stay with him...)
   73. Sam M. Posted: June 11, 2006 at 03:17 AM (#2059628)
One word: wow.
   74. Banta Posted: June 11, 2006 at 03:18 AM (#2059629)
Yep, he'll make a good mop-up man when Bannister gets back.

(Why do I keep hammering that? Hernandez will get injured soon enough even if Willie wants to stay with him...)

I don't think Willie has said anything to indicate that he'll stick with El Duque, even if he sucks. If there's one thing management has shown this year is that they are only willing to stick with something that sucks for so long. Therefore, your only reason for thinking that El Duque is one of "Willie's guys" is because of his time with the Yankees. And I think that's pretty weak.
   75. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: June 11, 2006 at 03:20 AM (#2059631)
A Reyes run would be huge right about now.
   76. Raskolnikov Posted: June 11, 2006 at 03:21 AM (#2059632)
A one hitter so far for Soler.

Speaking of great pitching, with another 2 K/1 IP for Owens tonight his overall numbers are 39K in 17 IP. As long as they're okay with his health, it's time to move him up to AAA. I know that short relievers are inherently limited in value, but he looks to be like an "A" prospect. There can't be too many unhittable pitchers like him around.
   77. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: June 11, 2006 at 03:22 AM (#2059634)
Why does anyone think Bannister a better option than El Duque or Soler anyway?
   78. Sam M. Posted: June 11, 2006 at 03:22 AM (#2059635)
This could now turn into a BIG inning, if things go well. That ought to be a sacrifice and an error on Webb. More shaky defense by the Diamondbacks.
   79. AJMcCringleberry Posted: June 11, 2006 at 03:22 AM (#2059636)
Let's go Beltran!
   80. Raskolnikov Posted: June 11, 2006 at 03:22 AM (#2059638)
Awesome. Just push across one more run and I think it seals the game.
   81. Sam M. Posted: June 11, 2006 at 03:23 AM (#2059639)
Webb used Beltran that AB. Nasty pitches, beginning to end.
   82. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: June 11, 2006 at 03:23 AM (#2059640)
Those first two strikes to Beltran were nasty. You can't hit that pitch.
   83. AJMcCringleberry Posted: June 11, 2006 at 03:24 AM (#2059641)
Delgado hit that pretty far, too bad it was to center.
   84. Sam M. Posted: June 11, 2006 at 03:24 AM (#2059642)
But Carlos # 2 picks him up! Tough to do, get a long fly ball against Webb. Nice, nice work.
   85. Banta Posted: June 11, 2006 at 03:24 AM (#2059643)
Glad Reyes's run got in anyway.
   86. Raskolnikov Posted: June 11, 2006 at 03:24 AM (#2059644)
I'm usually not a big fan of Sac flies, but that was a very useful SF.
   87. Sam M. Posted: June 11, 2006 at 03:25 AM (#2059645)
Two hits for the NL hit leader!
   88. Rob Base Posted: June 11, 2006 at 03:25 AM (#2059646)
Hey Vaux, Why always hating on the Mets? They are clearly an excellent team right now.
   89. Orange & Blue Velvet Posted: June 11, 2006 at 03:27 AM (#2059649)
If Webb ever sees Free Agency, he's going to make a fortune.
   90. Banta Posted: June 11, 2006 at 03:28 AM (#2059650)
Hey Vaux, Why always hating on the Mets? They are clearly an excellent team right now.


And management has definitely earned itself some goodwill. I mean, the worst move of the last year probably is that Lima got three starts. That's pretty solid.
   91. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: June 11, 2006 at 03:28 AM (#2059651)
Base, I think it's because they are using Heilman in the bullpen.
   92. Raskolnikov Posted: June 11, 2006 at 03:29 AM (#2059653)
9 K and 0 walks - he gave up 4 runs and I still felt like Webb dominated us.
   93. Rob Base Posted: June 11, 2006 at 03:29 AM (#2059654)

Base, I think it's because they are using Heilman in the bullpen.


Heilman hasn't even been that good lately/ Did Vaux and Heilman take a shower together?
   94. Raskolnikov Posted: June 11, 2006 at 03:32 AM (#2059655)
I mean, the worst move of the last year probably is that Lima got three starts.


Probably?! Having Lima start 3 times was an act of insanity. My blood boils just thinking about it.
   95. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: June 11, 2006 at 03:32 AM (#2059656)
I mean, the worst move of the last year probably is that Lima got three starts.

It's not like the Mets were hoping Lima would get a shot. Look what happened for him to get a shot.

1) Zambrano got hurt.
2) Bannister got hurt.
3) Maine got hurt.
4) All three of those guys got hurt before Soler/Pelfrey were ready.
   96. Tike Redman's Shattered Dreams Posted: June 11, 2006 at 03:33 AM (#2059658)
This is almost like that game Peavy lost when he struck out 16. Webb has owned the Mets for most of tonight, though the 8 flyouts are a lot by his standards.
   97. Raskolnikov Posted: June 11, 2006 at 03:33 AM (#2059659)
C'mon, Soler. Buckle down and preserve your shutout.
   98. Rob Base Posted: June 11, 2006 at 03:34 AM (#2059660)
This is almost like that game Peavy lost when he struck out 16. Webb has owned the Mets for most of tonight, though the 8 flyouts are a lot by his standards.

Some of the ground balls just shot through the infield. That's gonna happen sometimes with Webb. He's great. There's no pitcher in the NL I'd rather have right now.
   99. Rob Base Posted: June 11, 2006 at 03:36 AM (#2059663)
I dont think he's an ace, but Soler sure looke like a major leaguer. Hail Jim Duquette.
   100. Raskolnikov Posted: June 11, 2006 at 03:37 AM (#2059664)
Let's take down Mr. Hustle. Soler deserves a shutout with his masterpiece tonight.

Alright!
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