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1. Old Matt Posted: August 30, 2007 at 01:14 PM (#2504525)

I'm surprised the way the NY media handled the play. Most defended the Mets in that, Anderson's foot touched the bag.

Anderson clearly made an attempt to shove Iguchi out of the way and I think the umps got it right.

I am scared shitless for today's game.

2. Banta Posted: August 30, 2007 at 01:59 PM (#2504559)

Just win, baby.

3. The usual palaver and twaddle (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: August 30, 2007 at 04:16 PM (#2504692)

Please?

4. Bob Koo Posted: August 30, 2007 at 04:21 PM (#2504695)

Ugh. Gotay should be hitting 2nd; Endy's not good enough to get the extra ABs. And I'm tired of Shawn Green; he's a total black hole. Willie's the only one that doesn't recognize this. Put Marlon out there.

5. Bob Koo Posted: August 30, 2007 at 05:00 PM (#2504734)

I have this feeling that we'll lose today. We should've won at least one of the last two, esp. because of the way Glavine and Perez pitched. I wouldn't be surprised to see El Duque get roughed a little. Of course, I wouldn't be surprised if he shuts them down, either.

6. Old Matt Posted: August 30, 2007 at 05:07 PM (#2504747)

I'd go ahead and say it's a must win.

7. Bob Koo Posted: August 30, 2007 at 05:11 PM (#2504753)

Has David Wright come up to the plate with runners on base at allduring this series?

8. AJMcCringleberry Posted: August 30, 2007 at 05:14 PM (#2504757)

Has David Wright come up to the plate with runners on base at allduring this series?

Once. Monday night Castillo singled in front of him.

9. AJMcCringleberry Posted: August 30, 2007 at 05:15 PM (#2504759)

30!

10. Old Matt Posted: August 30, 2007 at 05:15 PM (#2504758)

Halfway to 30-30.

11. Old Matt Posted: August 30, 2007 at 05:16 PM (#2504760)

Powerful stroke Carlos.

12. AJMcCringleberry Posted: August 30, 2007 at 05:20 PM (#2504762)

No matter how depressed this team makes me sometimes, looking at this page always puts a smile on my face.

13. Old Matt Posted: August 30, 2007 at 05:28 PM (#2504777)

Season over.

14. AJMcCringleberry Posted: August 30, 2007 at 05:29 PM (#2504779)

Great start.

15. Bob Koo Posted: August 30, 2007 at 05:30 PM (#2504781)

Should've worked around Howard. It's sure nice when your big hitters come to play.

16. Banta Posted: August 30, 2007 at 05:32 PM (#2504784)

Oh good god. This is not good. I'm getting a bit worried here, guys.

17. AJMcCringleberry Posted: August 30, 2007 at 05:35 PM (#2504789)

There's a break.

18. Banta Posted: August 30, 2007 at 05:36 PM (#2504790)

Cohen is right on. Clean play my ####### ass.

19. Conor Posted: August 30, 2007 at 05:39 PM (#2504794)

Oh good god. This is not good. I'm getting a bit worried here, guys.

One win would do wonders for that, but it seems like that isn't in the cards this week.

20. Old Matt Posted: August 30, 2007 at 05:41 PM (#2504796)

Season over.

21. Banta Posted: August 30, 2007 at 05:42 PM (#2504798)

Wow. "The Phillies continue to outplay the Mets on every level this series."

Say that again. This is... wow. I just... wow.

22. Conor Posted: August 30, 2007 at 05:43 PM (#2504799)

I'm following the game online; can someone explain to me how on earth Delgado gets picked off?

23. Bob Koo Posted: August 30, 2007 at 05:43 PM (#2504800)

You've got to be kidding me. Suckgado.

24. Banta Posted: August 30, 2007 at 05:43 PM (#2504801)

I think Willie needs to throw some chairs. Or maybe throw Blowduca.

25. will Posted: August 30, 2007 at 05:43 PM (#2504802)

The Phillies continue to outplay the Mets on every level this series (since you asked.....)

26. Banta Posted: August 30, 2007 at 05:44 PM (#2504804)

can someone explain to me how on earth Delgado gets picked off?

I wish I could.

27. Banta Posted: August 30, 2007 at 05:45 PM (#2504806)

This team has just fallen apart.

28. billyshears Posted: August 30, 2007 at 05:50 PM (#2504814)

I'm sorry, but Howard is not THAT good. And neither is Jimmy Rollins. I feel like Mets pitchers sometimes just want to see what happens if they throw a pitch belt high over the middle.

29. Conor Posted: August 30, 2007 at 05:54 PM (#2504818)

Ever since Reyes popped out to lead off game 2 of the series for some reason I have had a bad feeling about the series.

I hate being right.

30. Old Matt Posted: August 30, 2007 at 05:55 PM (#2504819)

DiFelice is like our only hope.

31. Russlan is not Russian Posted: August 30, 2007 at 05:56 PM (#2504821)

What a horrible series for Reyes.

32. Bob Koo Posted: August 30, 2007 at 05:56 PM (#2504822)

That's now 15 for 15 (in terms of making out, at the plate or on the bases) by Reyes in this series.

33. Conor Posted: August 30, 2007 at 05:56 PM (#2504823)

Reyes is just killing us this series; 1-14 with a BB, and he's been picked off both times he's gotten on base.

34. Conor Posted: August 30, 2007 at 05:57 PM (#2504827)

We haven't won a game since LoDuca came off the DL.

Coincidence?

I think not.

35. Bob Koo Posted: August 30, 2007 at 05:58 PM (#2504828)

I'm so glad that Endy's hitting 2nd today.

36. Banta Posted: August 30, 2007 at 05:58 PM (#2504830)

If the Mets lose today, I don't know if they'll be in first by Monday, given the way Atlanta has PWNED us this year.

37. Conor Posted: August 30, 2007 at 06:00 PM (#2504833)

If the Mets lose today, I don't know if they'll be in first by Monday, given the way Atlanta has PWNED us this year.

If we lose today, and Atlanta PWNS us the way they always do even if Philly sweeps their series we'd be tied.

For us to not be in first place on Monday we would have to drop 8 games in 8 days and I just refuse to believe that can happen.

38. Banta Posted: August 30, 2007 at 06:02 PM (#2504835)

I know that Reyes is killing us, but it really sucks that we can't pick him up when he's in a slump.

39. Conor Posted: August 30, 2007 at 06:03 PM (#2504836)

Mets are hitting 238/297/312 this series.

40. Banta Posted: August 30, 2007 at 06:07 PM (#2504839)

I just keep on thinking back to the last four game series with the Phillies and how the Mets really could have buried them if they would have won the last game.

41. Banta Posted: August 30, 2007 at 06:07 PM (#2504840)

Season over. We aren't scoring 5.

42. Russlan is not Russian Posted: August 30, 2007 at 06:08 PM (#2504841)

I liked the Phillies better when Burrell wasn't good.

43. Conor Posted: August 30, 2007 at 06:10 PM (#2504846)

Mets are 3-20 this series with RISP and 2-13 with RISP and 2 outs.

The return of the clutch hitting.

44. Lassus Posted: August 30, 2007 at 06:10 PM (#2504847)

You know, I appreciate reverse-jinxes and insane pessimism as much as anyone, but this "season over" sh1t is beyond tiresome by now.

45. Banta Posted: August 30, 2007 at 06:10 PM (#2504848)

Russlan, say something optimistic.

46. Conor Posted: August 30, 2007 at 06:11 PM (#2504849)

You know, I appreciate reverse-jinxes and insane pessimism as much as anyone, but this "season over" sh1t is beyond tiresome by now.

Agreed.

47. Old Matt Posted: August 30, 2007 at 06:12 PM (#2504850)

We're ######. So ######.

48. Russlan is not Russian Posted: August 30, 2007 at 06:13 PM (#2504853)

Russlan, say something optimistic.

You're never as good as it seems when you are doing well and you're never as bad as it seems when you are doing badly.

49. Banta Posted: August 30, 2007 at 06:13 PM (#2504854)

I apologize and I guess I shouldn't say anything at all then. It's just that this game is ridiculously huge. Losing this one really makes me doubt the playoffs more than at any other point in the season. Like, I've gone from 95% to 60%.

50. Conor Posted: August 30, 2007 at 06:14 PM (#2504855)

I still think we're fine.

51. will Posted: August 30, 2007 at 06:14 PM (#2504856)

It seems like many of the Mets fans here swing wildly from unrealistically confident, to unnecesarily despondent, depending on their team's last three innings...though I guess that is true of fans everywhere. From the perspective of a Pennsylvanian, "season over" is an overreaction, but also the comments early this week, that this week would be a nice tune up for the playoffs, gave the Mets too much credit.....Unlike last year, they are in for a fight to the finish....

52. Lassus Posted: August 30, 2007 at 06:15 PM (#2504857)

How about this, Banta: A sweep will make everyone take what they're doing seriously enough to break out. And as far as I'm concerned, a battle for the past month will make us better in the playoffs.

53. Russlan is not Russian Posted: August 30, 2007 at 06:17 PM (#2504859)

From the perspective of a Pennsylvanian, "season over" is an overreaction, but also the comments early this week, that this week would be a nice tune up for the playoffs, gave the Mets too much credit.....Unlike last year, they are in for a fight to the finish....

I don't think there's anything wrong with thinking that way prior to the series. The Mets entered the series with a very big lead. A 6-game lead with about 40 to go is more than a substantial lead. Heck, a split probably would have ended the NL East race. To the Phillies credit, they've done what they needed to do to make the NL East competitive again.

54. Lassus Posted: August 30, 2007 at 06:17 PM (#2504860)

Yikes - this is NOT the good El Duque. But, he's been very good, he's due a bad game.

It's our offense that's the problem throughout these games. Hojo gonna be taken to task? Not that I think many hitting coaches are worth a damn, but man, someone's gotta do something.

55. Banta Posted: August 30, 2007 at 06:17 PM (#2504861)

From the perspective of a Pennsylvanian, "season over" is an overreaction, but also the comments early this week, that this week would be a nice tune up for the playoffs, gave the Mets too much credit

Well, losing five games in the standings in five days will do that to you.

I've never thought that the playoffs were a foregone conclusion because I haven't particularly liked what I've seen out of this team this year. Now, obviously, with a seven game lead, I was feeling better, but that's pretty gone now.

It really is a day to day thing because the Mets have shown me very little ability to stay consistent. I've been worried for awhile that if the Mets didn't get on a real hot streak that either Atlanta or Philly could at the right time and that would be that.

56. billyshears Posted: August 30, 2007 at 06:18 PM (#2504862)

If we can't hit Kyle Lohse, I will break something.

57. TheUFactor Posted: August 30, 2007 at 06:19 PM (#2504863)

The Mets can't seriously finish behind a team whose rotation features Durbin, Eaton, Moyer, and Lohse... can they? When the Sillies compete against actual MLB caliber offenses, they should be getting pounded by football scores.

58. Conor Posted: August 30, 2007 at 06:20 PM (#2504864)

It's our offense that's the problem throughout these games. Hojo gonna be taken to task? Not that I think many hitting coaches are worth a damn, but man, someone's gotta do something.

The offense just finished a 2 week stretch where they scored over 5 runs every game; the offense can't be clicking every game.

59. Banta Posted: August 30, 2007 at 06:20 PM (#2504865)

You're never as good as it seems when you are doing well and you're never as bad as it seems when you are doing badly.

A sweep will make everyone take what they're doing seriously enough to break out. And as far as I'm concerned, a battle for the past month will make us better in the playoffs.

Thanks guys. And I don't mean to be such a pessimistic ass. The Mets just have had many moments this season where they simply haven't looked like a playoff team this year. And I've always tempered my anxiety by saying "Well, none of the other teams in the NL do either". But Philly looks damn good right now and that worries me.

60. Lassus Posted: August 30, 2007 at 06:22 PM (#2504870)

Conor - that is sooooo right. I should actually know better. It was just three - this one ain't over yet - bad offensive games against the one team it mattered the most against.

61. Conor Posted: August 30, 2007 at 06:24 PM (#2504874)

But Philly looks damn good right now and that worries me.

They look good right now. That doesn't mean they're gonna look good for the rest of the season.

The Mets just have had many moments this season where they simply haven't looked like a playoff team this year.

Nearly every single team that makes the playoffs has multiple stretches where they don't look like a playoff team. The Yankees are tied for the WC; they spent about 2 months where they didn't look like a playoff team. If you're worried about Philly, for the worst 2 weeks of the season they were awful. Etc etc. To expect a team to always look good and never have bad stretches (especially a team like the Mets that is good, but by now means a dominant team) is an impossible standard.

62. TheUFactor Posted: August 30, 2007 at 06:24 PM (#2504875)

But Philly looks damn good right now and that worries me.

Can you really be afraid of a team that pitches JD Durbin, Adam Eaton, Jamie Moyer, and Kyle Lohse against their chief rival in their biggest series to date?

63. Russlan is not Russian Posted: August 30, 2007 at 06:25 PM (#2504878)

Haha, that was kind of funny.

64. Banta Posted: August 30, 2007 at 06:25 PM (#2504879)

Was that a mirage?

65. Russlan is not Russian Posted: August 30, 2007 at 06:26 PM (#2504880)

This is a typical Green AB.

66. Lassus Posted: August 30, 2007 at 06:26 PM (#2504881)

Conor - your sensible newsletter frightens the membership and they would like to cancel their subscription.

67. Russlan is not Russian Posted: August 30, 2007 at 06:26 PM (#2504882)

Ok, I'm obviously behind. That was not a typical Green AB.

68. Russlan is not Russian Posted: August 30, 2007 at 06:28 PM (#2504889)

The Mets need to get these runners in.

69. Banta Posted: August 30, 2007 at 06:28 PM (#2504891)

To expect a team to always look good and never have bad stretches (especially a team like the Mets that is good, but by now means a dominant team) is an impossible standard.

Understandably. This comes back to what I was saying the other night about brutal losses. Just a few too many to make me comfortable.

Can you really be afraid of a team that pitches JD Durbin, Adam Eaton, Jamie Moyer, and Kyle Lohse against their chief rival in their biggest series to date?

True.

70. Lassus Posted: August 30, 2007 at 06:28 PM (#2504892)

YAY I got to see Green #####-slap all of you before I went back to work.

71. billyshears Posted: August 30, 2007 at 06:29 PM (#2504893)

If it becomes an issue, I would almost consider pinch hitting for El Duque, if there was anyone in our bullpen worth a damn. Where have you gone Darren Oliver?

72. Banta Posted: August 30, 2007 at 06:30 PM (#2504895)

I admire your guys' ability to stay objective.

73. Conor Posted: August 30, 2007 at 06:31 PM (#2504896)

Can I ask the people on this board what their expectations were for the season? I post a lot on another Mets board and I've come across an interesting phenomenon; before the season we did a thing where we all predicted how many wins the Mets would have. The majority of the people had them in the 88-92 range or so. Then when we hit June or so and the Mets hit their first real skid, and we were right on that pace, lots of complaining crept up about how they were playing and stuff. I didn't understand it; they were playing to expectations and people were complaining.

Well, we got our 2 runs for today.

74. TheUFactor Posted: August 30, 2007 at 06:31 PM (#2504897)

Oh, joy. We've scored our daily allotment of two runs, now we can continue losing.

75. Russlan is not Russian Posted: August 30, 2007 at 06:33 PM (#2504901)

I would love to see Lastings hit a homer here and Cohen describe it.

76. Banta Posted: August 30, 2007 at 06:33 PM (#2504903)

I sort of thought that the Mets would end up being nearly as good or possibly BETTER than last year. I know that was just wishful thinking, but I was expecting a big upgrade in the rotation (which happened), slight regression in the bullpen (turned out to be bigger), and a slight regression in the offense (turned out to be bigger).

77. Banta Posted: August 30, 2007 at 06:34 PM (#2504905)

Well, how about this.

78. Russlan is not Russian Posted: August 30, 2007 at 06:35 PM (#2504907)

<strike> EMAD!!!!</strike> Lastings!!!!!

79. Russlan is not Russian Posted: August 30, 2007 at 06:36 PM (#2504910)

Come on, Jose. A homer would be awesome.

80. Banta Posted: August 30, 2007 at 06:37 PM (#2504912)

A homer would be awesome.

A hit in general would be awesome. Hell, a walk would be decent the way he's going.

81. billyshears Posted: August 30, 2007 at 06:38 PM (#2504913)

Why does my Game Cast say that Milledge is up again? Did CJ Bucknor get upset that he got a hit and call a do-over?

82. Conor Posted: August 30, 2007 at 06:39 PM (#2504918)

Reyes is still killing us.

83. Banta Posted: August 30, 2007 at 06:40 PM (#2504919)

Bah. Good inning though.

84. Conor Posted: August 30, 2007 at 06:40 PM (#2504922)

Now we have to pitch though. Sele against this lineup? Scary.

85. Banta Posted: August 30, 2007 at 06:41 PM (#2504924)

Is Reyes sucking because McCarver called him one of the best players in the last 50 years?

86. Russlan is not Russian Posted: August 30, 2007 at 06:42 PM (#2504926)

Reyes is going to get hot before the season ends. I couldn't be more confident about something than I am about that. The only thing is I don't know when it's going to happen.

It's nice the Mets got back in this game but the bullpen doesn't inspire much confidence.

87. billyshears Posted: August 30, 2007 at 06:43 PM (#2504929)

See, Aaron Sele is why I wouldn't have actually pinch hit for El Duque.

88. billyshears Posted: August 30, 2007 at 06:44 PM (#2504931)

I think Sele can handle Geary though.

89. Russlan is not Russian Posted: August 30, 2007 at 06:44 PM (#2504932)

Sele has been in the postseason, quite a bit.

90. Conor Posted: August 30, 2007 at 06:45 PM (#2504934)

I think Sele can handle Geary though.

Not so sure about Mr. Rollins though.

91. billyshears Posted: August 30, 2007 at 06:45 PM (#2504936)

But he's got no chance against Rollins.

92. Russlan is not Russian Posted: August 30, 2007 at 06:45 PM (#2504937)

Sele pitched in the post season 4 straight seasons.

93. Banta Posted: August 30, 2007 at 06:45 PM (#2504938)

Yeah, why were they comparing Sele to Easley as far as playoffs go? Sele's been in the playoffs four times.

94. Russlan is not Russian Posted: August 30, 2007 at 06:46 PM (#2504940)

He was also part of the 2002 Angels even though eh didn't play in the post season that year.

95. Conor Posted: August 30, 2007 at 06:46 PM (#2504941)

Or Mr. Utley

96. billyshears Posted: August 30, 2007 at 06:46 PM (#2504942)

That was predictable.

97. billyshears Posted: August 30, 2007 at 06:47 PM (#2504946)

Utley hasn't homered against us since game one of this series. He's due.

98. Banta Posted: August 30, 2007 at 06:47 PM (#2504948)

Come on, Sele.

99. Banta Posted: August 30, 2007 at 06:51 PM (#2504956)

I like it when I get sunburned because peeling the dead skin away really gives you something to do.

100. Banta Posted: August 30, 2007 at 06:52 PM (#2504957)

If Burrell gets us again, my head might implode. That's right. Implode.

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