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1. Sam M. Posted: October 05, 2006 at 01:44 PM (#2198742)

And now we get the Dark Mirror game from yesterday. Veteran with a record of post-season glory pitches against an impressive rookie . . . only the uniforms are switched. I'll certainly be happy if Glavine gives the Mets five innings as good as Lowe gave the Dodgers yesterday.

And this one I should even be able to watch as it happens!

2. Spencer Benedict Posted: October 05, 2006 at 01:56 PM (#2198750)

And this one I should even be able to watch as it happens!

I had visions of the graded presentations being limited to twenty seconds or less.

3. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: October 05, 2006 at 02:13 PM (#2198769)

aw, I was hoping for Maddux vs. Glavine

4. Sam M. Posted: October 05, 2006 at 02:53 PM (#2198813)

I had visions of the graded presentations being limited to twenty seconds or less.

In keeping with my usual belief that what I do matters to the outcome of Mets' games, I have formed the belief that I/they were rewarded yesterday for my utterly responsible dedication to my job. Because I neither cancelled class nor gave my students short shrift, the baseball Gods made sure the Mets won that game. What else explains the Kent/Drew fiasco???

Yes, I know this is preposterous. Just leave me alone in my egoecentric little universe, and I'll be fine . . . .

5. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: October 05, 2006 at 03:03 PM (#2198822)

Yes, I know this is preposterous. Just leave me alone in my egoecentric little universe, and I'll be fine . . . .

Well, that's stupid Sam. Of course what you do matters to the outcome of your team's games. I'm sure the Yankee victory on Tuesday was well aided by my no only wearing a dress shirt with subtle pinstriping (to show my support) but also by my not selfishly grabbing seats on the subway but instead offering them to my fellow passengers.

6. Spencer Benedict Posted: October 05, 2006 at 03:23 PM (#2198845)

What else explains the Kent/Drew fiasco???

I was wearing my 1988 Eastern Division Champions shirt.

7. zack Posted: October 05, 2006 at 04:38 PM (#2198947)

I think the win was in fact rewarding me for doing the opposite, and skipping out of work early. I do not regret it, even if I'll be here all day to make up for it.

This isn't really the time, but did anyone notice that, along with Humber and Pelfrey, Fernando! is on the AFL team this year? He is essentially the youngest player in the league by a good 3 years, the only other player born after 1985 was Matt Tuiasosopo, who is 2 years older.

8. Bob Koo Posted: October 05, 2006 at 04:51 PM (#2198967)

In keeping with my usual belief that what I do matters to the outcome of Mets' games, I have formed the belief that I/they were rewarded yesterday for my utterly responsible dedication to my job.

I agree here, Sam. I believe the same will happen tonight as I bypassed a chance to go to tonight's game since I have class.

Certainly, yesterday's win takes some pressure off tonight, but hopefully it puts a little more pressure on Kuo. The Mets must stick to the plan of working the count and getting his pitch count high; they may not score a lot of runs, but if Kuo is out before the end of the 6th inning, that gives them a few innings to feast on whomever the Dodgers trot out in middle relief.

9. Joshemy Posted: October 05, 2006 at 05:28 PM (#2199052)

Man, 8 PM can't come fast enough.

10. Joshemy Posted: October 05, 2006 at 05:37 PM (#2199086)

Interesting link with stats from John Maine's start.

11. Sam M. Posted: October 05, 2006 at 05:49 PM (#2199125)

He gets an "F" for 78% of the time getting a strike on one of his first two pitches, when the average is 85%??? Tough grading scale! But that's a very interesting report card, definitely.

12. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: October 05, 2006 at 05:59 PM (#2199162)

It really is going to be fascinating to watch Randolph manage this postseason. He's obviously going to have to ride his bullpen and it'll be interesting to see how he hopes to both win games and give players rest. Ideally, today the plan should go something along the lines of this:

1) Glavine for six.
2) Kool-Aid for the seventh, with Chadro Feliciford in the wings in case he needs help.
3) Heilman for the eighth.
4) Wagner for the ninth.

13. Old Matt Posted: October 05, 2006 at 06:11 PM (#2199191)

They need Glavine to go six. I don't think it's too much to ask for.

Yesterday was the big game and they got it.

14. Free Rob Base Posted: October 05, 2006 at 06:12 PM (#2199195)

Is Ring on the post season roster over Dave Williams? (Sorry I have missed out on some of these details). Seems like Williams is someone who could have eaten up alot of innings out of the bullpen if necessary. Maybe they will use him the NLCS. I agree if the Mets go deep into the playoffs their will be alot of bullpen innings pitched and I don't know where they are all going to come from. Darren Oliver?

My worst fear is getting to the WS and having to face the Yanks. I would almost rather not get that far. The Yanks lineup will eat up our staff and embarass us. Lets go Tigers.

15. HowardMegdal

Posted: October 05, 2006 at 06:48 PM (#2199302)

My worst fear is not getting to the WS. I am wearing my lucky Mr. Met hat (wore it to a press conference today) and I took a picture of some tourists. I'm doing my part.

16. Dan Broderick Posted: October 05, 2006 at 07:34 PM (#2199418)

today the plan should go something along the lines of this:

You forgot the part where the Mets score 8 runs in the first three innings. Kuo has certainly been impressive and the Mets have had trouble with lefties but this is the playoffs and I think he'll have a bit more trouble this time against the Mets. Kuo may be one of those guys with ice water in his veins but I think (hope) the atmosphere will affect him. I was there yesterday (going again tonight) and it was LOUD. 8-3 Mets, HRs for Reyes and Beltran.

17. AJMcCringleberry Posted: October 05, 2006 at 08:01 PM (#2199505)

These FOX games usually start at 8:20 right? The later the better since I'll be out until probably 9.

18. Шĥy Posted: October 05, 2006 at 09:38 PM (#2199708)

The later the better

Definately not. I'm hoping the game ends no later than 10:45 because I want to go out to a frat party, get drunk, and hook up with this girl who I should have hooked up with last weekend.

19. Bob Koo Posted: October 05, 2006 at 09:46 PM (#2199720)

Endy's starting in right tonight over Green! Yay Willie!

20. HowardMegdal

Posted: October 05, 2006 at 09:48 PM (#2199722)

I predict a good night for both the Mets and Why.

21. Old Matt Posted: October 05, 2006 at 10:29 PM (#2199751)

Endichiro!

8:19 is first pitch. Let's get it on.

22. Шĥy Posted: October 05, 2006 at 11:13 PM (#2199781)

Trachsel might not start Game 3. From a WFAN transcript of Omar Minaya. It might be a typo though.

I talked to Willie yesterday and he had not decided on game three's pitcher yet. I'm not worried because he (Oliver Perez) is the best option. We are in a situation, you have to go with your best option. Don't get me wrong, stuff wise, he has great stuff. What going on here is, not only does the pitching coach help out, we have players helping each other out.

23. J. Cross Posted: October 05, 2006 at 11:18 PM (#2199785)

First off, I love what Willie did yesterday taking Maine out early and going to the pen. We have 8 relievers and the higher % of the innings that our thrown by our relievers in this series the better. Kool-Aid should be reserved for games when we're down by 3 or more or up by 4 or more, IMO. Ring should face individual lefties and he and Feliciano can bookend Bradford performances to help chare key innings with Mota and Heilman.

1) Glavine for six.
2) Kool-Aid for the seventh, with Chadro Feliciford in the wings in case he needs help.
3) Heilman for the eighth.
4) Wagner for the ninth.

We have tomorrow off so I don't mind Heilman throwing 2 innings today if need be. I thought Mota might have been getting a little gased yesterday so ideally he doesn't pitch but of course he's an option.

In a perfect world, if we have a lead, I'd say:

1) Glavine for 5
2) Situational Felicano, Bradford and (maybe) Oliver for 6th and possibly 7th.
3) Heilman for 7th (if needed) and 8th
4) Wagner for 9th.

If we're down I'd consider letting any of Feliciano, Bradford and Oliver throw a full inning depending on matchups. One advantage to Glavine only pitching 5 (in addition to getting the strength of the staff, the reliever, in earlier) is that he could then pitch a possible game 5.

24. Bob Koo Posted: October 05, 2006 at 11:21 PM (#2199786)

Dodgers' lineup (with their lifetime AVG/OBP/SLG numbers vs. Glavine, when applicable):

Furcal, ss (275/341/625, 2 HR/2 3B in 40 AB)
Lofton, cf (000/083/000, 11 AB)
Nomar, 1b (207/258/276, 29 AB)
Kent, 2b (259/298/352, 1 HR in 54 AB)
Drew, rf (250/400/313, 16 AB)
Martin, c (1-for-2)
Anderson, lf (286/297/426, 35 AB)
Lugo, 3b (294/333/294, 17 AB)
Kuo, p

Well, based on those numbers (small sample size, I know), it'd be quite disappointing if Glavine doesn't at least record a quality start. I'm really surprised that Anderson is starting. He doesn't hit lefties at all.

25. Rob Base Posted: October 05, 2006 at 11:22 PM (#2199787)

Also, presumably, Maine could come back on short rest in a game 4 if, god forbid, it is an elimination game (for us). He only threw 80 pitches and I hell of prefer that to Perez.

Haven't heard any talk of this, so I'm just speculating.

26. J. Cross Posted: October 05, 2006 at 11:28 PM (#2199790)

Rob, if Glavine gets out of there early tonight, I see no reason why we should plan on Maine/Glavine in 4 and 5 even if we're up 2-1 at the time. Why not give yourself the best chance to win each game? That is, unless you think Glavine is worse on short rest even when he hasn't thrown many pitches.

27. Banta Posted: October 05, 2006 at 11:45 PM (#2199801)

Guys, I'm not gonna be able to chat tonight, but I just wanted to say...

Endy over Green! Willie is really impressing me. I didn't think for a second that Endy would get the chance. This is fantastic.

28. Rob Base Posted: October 05, 2006 at 11:46 PM (#2199804)

Not that crazy an idea I guess, J.

29. Old Matt Posted: October 05, 2006 at 11:57 PM (#2199810)

Trachsel might not start Game 3. From a WFAN transcript of Omar Minaya. It might be a typo though.

Why not pitch Perez if the Mets are up 2-0?

30. J. Cross Posted: October 06, 2006 at 12:07 AM (#2199814)

Endy Chavez time!

Green wasn't going to hit the lefty so I'm glad Willie decided to get some defense in there.

31. Rob Base Posted: October 06, 2006 at 12:10 AM (#2199815)

Carter punching Eric Davis is great footage.

32. Sam M. Posted: October 06, 2006 at 12:10 AM (#2199816)

Right at this moment, I LOVE Fox. Little roller up along first . . . .

33. Rob Base Posted: October 06, 2006 at 12:12 AM (#2199817)

It will be so cool if we win the World Series.

34. Sam M. Posted: October 06, 2006 at 12:12 AM (#2199818)

Of course Kennedy would pick Kuo, since he picked the Dodgers to win the series. His prediction does kind of ride on tonight's outcome, doesn't it?

OTOH, there is a solid logic to it, given the problem we've had w/ lefties. Let's put that behind us once and for all. TONIGHT.

35. Orange & Blue Velvet Posted: October 06, 2006 at 12:15 AM (#2199821)

Oh, so WE get the scrubbier announcers. *mutes tv and turns on radio*

36. Sam M. Posted: October 06, 2006 at 12:17 AM (#2199824)

Is it too much to ask that -- if we do win this series -- the Padres at least force the Cardinals to start Carpenter once more in that set-to? I'd really rather they NOT be in a position to open up the NLCS with him. (Actually, I feel the same way even if the Dodgers win this series. Either way, I'll be rooting for the winner of this if they are playing the Cardinals . . . .).

37. Rob Base Posted: October 06, 2006 at 12:19 AM (#2199826)

Because of Jack Clark and Vince Coleman and John Tudor, Sam?

38. Bob Koo Posted: October 06, 2006 at 12:20 AM (#2199828)

Let's Go Mets!

39. Sam M. Posted: October 06, 2006 at 12:20 AM (#2199829)

Welcome back to the post-season, Tommy. Be the man!

40. Sam M. Posted: October 06, 2006 at 12:22 AM (#2199830)

Maybe Grady was looking for Pedro?

41. Zeba Zeba Eata Posted: October 06, 2006 at 12:23 AM (#2199833)

Grady was just looking for help reading the lineup card.

42. Sam M. Posted: October 06, 2006 at 12:23 AM (#2199834)

Because of Jack Clark and Vince Coleman and John Tudor, Sam?

Some things never die . . . . don't forget the White Rat, too.

Nice start.

43. Rob Base Posted: October 06, 2006 at 12:24 AM (#2199835)

Can't say I hated beating them down in 2000.

44. Chris Dial Posted: October 06, 2006 at 12:24 AM (#2199838)

Glavine looks good so far.

Anyone know what Grady was asking about?

45. Sam M. Posted: October 06, 2006 at 12:25 AM (#2199839)

Davidnity!!!!!

46. Infinite Yost (Voxter)

Posted: October 06, 2006 at 12:25 AM (#2199840)

Nice play by Wright.

47. Bob Koo Posted: October 06, 2006 at 12:26 AM (#2199842)

What was the play?

48. Zeba Zeba Eata Posted: October 06, 2006 at 12:26 AM (#2199843)

Great start!

49. Old Matt Posted: October 06, 2006 at 12:26 AM (#2199844)

Tommy G!

50. Rob Base Posted: October 06, 2006 at 12:26 AM (#2199845)

Nice inning.

51. Richie Posted: October 06, 2006 at 12:26 AM (#2199846)

Do other Dodger fans exist?

52. Sam M. Posted: October 06, 2006 at 12:26 AM (#2199847)

As I've said, Wright's positioning is perfect. None of this hugging the line nonsense! ;-)

53. Orange & Blue Velvet Posted: October 06, 2006 at 12:27 AM (#2199849)

I hope Tommy goes to his curve in the latter innings. It's really a fine pitch for him.

54. J. Cross Posted: October 06, 2006 at 12:27 AM (#2199850)

Nice!

This Kuo guy has had some impressive K:BB ratios since coming back to the majors and starting. Still, I'm hoping a little patience, a walk or two, and he starts to combust.

55. Sam M. Posted: October 06, 2006 at 12:28 AM (#2199851)

What was the play?

Wright took a quick dive to his left, into the hole towards short, to stab a sharp grounder hit by Lofton and then throw him out.

56. Joshemy Posted: October 06, 2006 at 12:29 AM (#2199852)

Here! Nice start for Tommy.

57. J. Cross Posted: October 06, 2006 at 12:29 AM (#2199853)

Pitches entirely out of the stretch? Can't help his stamina, I figure.

58. Bob Koo Posted: October 06, 2006 at 12:30 AM (#2199855)

Thanks Sam. I'll be able to watch on TV starting around 10pm.

59. Sam M. Posted: October 06, 2006 at 12:31 AM (#2199856)

Kuo does have sharp stuff, no doubt about that.

60. Joshemy Posted: October 06, 2006 at 12:31 AM (#2199857)

On the other hand, I would have liked a better offensive start.

61. Bob Koo Posted: October 06, 2006 at 12:32 AM (#2199860)

Well that didn't go as planned. 10 pitches.

62. Zeba Zeba Eata Posted: October 06, 2006 at 12:32 AM (#2199861)

Yuck, only 10 pitches - not good.

63. Sam M. Posted: October 06, 2006 at 12:40 AM (#2199864)

Great PA by Martin. Man, he's an impressive player.

64. Richie Posted: October 06, 2006 at 12:40 AM (#2199865)

Nice, a 10-pitch walk.

65. Zeba Zeba Eata Posted: October 06, 2006 at 12:41 AM (#2199867)

Marlon Anderson starting in the LDS in LF against a LHP... well, that's probably not something that would have been predictable.

So far, so good.

66. Joshemy Posted: October 06, 2006 at 12:41 AM (#2199868)

Solid inning again from Tom. 31 pitches through 2.

67. Sam M. Posted: October 06, 2006 at 12:41 AM (#2199869)

That was as bad a PA by Anderson as Martin's was terrific.

Glavine looks excellent.

68. Bob Koo Posted: October 06, 2006 at 12:44 AM (#2199871)

Are they still using the shift against Delgado?

69. Joshemy Posted: October 06, 2006 at 12:45 AM (#2199872)

Everything is going right for Delgado right now.

70. Sam M. Posted: October 06, 2006 at 12:45 AM (#2199873)

Carlos # 2 keeps right on keepin' on!

71. Greg Maddux School of Reflexive Profanity Posted: October 06, 2006 at 12:46 AM (#2199874)

Uh, Kevin Dillon is the one from "Entourage," Psycho...

72. zack Posted: October 06, 2006 at 12:47 AM (#2199875)

What's with the space cadet pinball sound effects?

Did Fox run out of money?

73. Sam M. Posted: October 06, 2006 at 12:48 AM (#2199876)

If Kuo gets that pitch, Glavine better get the pitch three inches outside to RH hitters . . . . geez.

74. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: October 06, 2006 at 12:48 AM (#2199877)

I'm pretty sure that wasn't even close to a strike.

75. Chris Dial Posted: October 06, 2006 at 12:49 AM (#2199878)

Oh, that's low, Blue.

76. Sam M. Posted: October 06, 2006 at 12:51 AM (#2199879)

Tough PA by Floyd here.

77. Don August(us) Cesar Geronimo Berroa Posted: October 06, 2006 at 12:54 AM (#2199881)

nice at-bat by floyd, even with the K

78. Joshemy Posted: October 06, 2006 at 12:54 AM (#2199882)

Bad result, but good tough AB by Floyd there.

79. Zeba Zeba Eata Posted: October 06, 2006 at 12:56 AM (#2199884)

Well, at least 27 pitches. The faster we get to crappy RH relievers, the better.

80. Sam M. Posted: October 06, 2006 at 12:56 AM (#2199885)

Much better from a pitch perspective.

Note to Omar: Get a platoon partner for Valentin for '07.

81. Bob Koo Posted: October 06, 2006 at 12:57 AM (#2199886)

37 pitches for Kuo through 2 innings. That's good.

82. Sam M. Posted: October 06, 2006 at 01:00 AM (#2199888)

Love ya', Kuo. First-ball swinging. Too bad you fouled it off, though.

83. Zeba Zeba Eata Posted: October 06, 2006 at 01:02 AM (#2199889)

3 down

84. Chris Dial Posted: October 06, 2006 at 01:02 AM (#2199890)

Way to shoot, glav!

85. Sam M. Posted: October 06, 2006 at 01:02 AM (#2199891)

Tommy, can you hear me???

Great stuff!!!!!

86. Bob Koo Posted: October 06, 2006 at 01:02 AM (#2199892)

Tommy's dealin'. Lovin' it.

87. Joshemy Posted: October 06, 2006 at 01:04 AM (#2199893)

Endy magic!

88. Zeba Zeba Eata Posted: October 06, 2006 at 01:04 AM (#2199894)

Endy MAGIC

89. Rob Base Posted: October 06, 2006 at 01:04 AM (#2199895)

Endy = $$$

90. J. Cross Posted: October 06, 2006 at 01:05 AM (#2199897)

No wasted time: Endy Magic!!!

91. Sam M. Posted: October 06, 2006 at 01:05 AM (#2199898)

I love it -- Endy knows what he can do, and how to do it! Excellent.

92. AJMcCringleberry Posted: October 06, 2006 at 01:05 AM (#2199899)

Endy magic!

93. Chris Dial Posted: October 06, 2006 at 01:05 AM (#2199900)

And I hate Shawn Green even more.

94. Srul Itza Posted: October 06, 2006 at 01:05 AM (#2199901)

Tommy's looking good.

Isn't it about time we scored off Kuo?

95. Sam M. Posted: October 06, 2006 at 01:06 AM (#2199902)

Damnit, Glavine. That is supposed to be automatic for you. Come on, get that down.

96. Jorge Luis Bourjos (Walewander) Posted: October 06, 2006 at 01:07 AM (#2199903)

As someone who followed the Expos extremely closely, I am shocked and overjoyed that Endy Chavez is a valuable member of a playoff team.

97. Chris Dial Posted: October 06, 2006 at 01:07 AM (#2199905)

Chavez is really f'ing with Kuo. that'll hurt him with Reyes up.

98. Sam M. Posted: October 06, 2006 at 01:08 AM (#2199906)

So much for needing the bunt!!! Thank you, Mr. Kuo!

99. Joshemy Posted: October 06, 2006 at 01:08 AM (#2199907)

Wild pitch!

Let's get him to third Tommy.

100. AJMcCringleberry Posted: October 06, 2006 at 01:08 AM (#2199908)

Glavine is usually automatic with those.

The wild pitch is huge.

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