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   101. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: September 03, 2005 at 09:19 PM (#1595632)
I keep waiting for the game where he starts getting crushed but in never comes.

Just wait until ALCS Game 7 Darren, when the Sox score 15 off him in 2 innings
   102. incarnadine Posted: September 03, 2005 at 09:19 PM (#1595635)
A gapper would be very nice.
   103. incarnadine Posted: September 03, 2005 at 09:21 PM (#1595638)
That post would have been good incarnadine, if you had made it last night.

I was far too drunk to type last night.
   104. SM in DC Posted: September 03, 2005 at 09:21 PM (#1595639)
Just wait until ALCS Game 7 Darren, when the Sox score 15 off him in 2 innings

That's an interesting theory RB... no way Boston makes it to the ALCS. :-)
   105. TVerik - Dr. Velocity Posted: September 03, 2005 at 09:21 PM (#1595640)
If Small were 24 and pitching like this, fans would immediately anoint him "The One" and waiting for him to fly at the end of the movie for no reason.

I see a lot of similarities between Small's effectiveness and Wang's. It seems neither of them has wonderful stuff, and both have nearly absurdly low K rates. But both of them can get it done.
   106. bebop Posted: September 03, 2005 at 09:21 PM (#1595641)
It's pretty sad when you almost have to hope that Small pitches a shutout in order to get a W
   107. incarnadine Posted: September 03, 2005 at 09:22 PM (#1595642)
Small is proof positive that talent identification in MLB is a very very difficult job.

There are many guys in AAA who are better than many guys in MLB.
   108. TVerik - Dr. Velocity Posted: September 03, 2005 at 09:23 PM (#1595643)
My friend, a Sox fan and Yankee hater™ is getting married on October 7th. Without looking at the schedule, what are his odds of having an ALCS game (it would likely be Game Three) involving neither team during his wedding? I (optimistically, perhaps) think they're near zero.
   109. TVerik - Dr. Velocity Posted: September 03, 2005 at 09:24 PM (#1595646)
Because if the Yankees win the Marlin/Red Sox card™ they'd likely play the White Sox in the first round, while the Red Sox would play... Oakland.
   110. TVerik - Dr. Velocity Posted: September 03, 2005 at 09:26 PM (#1595648)
I really suspect the White Sox will be one and done this year - actually the first-round matchup against them might be an easier series. And Michael Kay told me that the A's don't know how to get it done.
   111. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: September 03, 2005 at 09:27 PM (#1595650)
At least Saarloos pitch count is in the 80s, I don't know who will be coming out of Oakland's bullpen, but the Yankees certainly can't look much worse aganist them than they do now
   112. incarnadine Posted: September 03, 2005 at 09:27 PM (#1595652)
Small is not only a great pitcher, he's a gold glove defender.
   113. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: September 03, 2005 at 09:28 PM (#1595656)
I think whoever wins the Wild Card beats Chicago, but then, I'm the man who thought Ozzie Guillen would have been fired by now, so what do I know?
   114. incarnadine Posted: September 03, 2005 at 09:28 PM (#1595657)
Small is not only a great pitcher, he's a gold glove defender.

Also, he's as soft as summer rain and as sweet as strawberry ice cream.
   115. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: September 03, 2005 at 09:30 PM (#1595658)
Alrighty, I'm off to the Nats game, I assume they will have blown it by the time I get there, so everyone try to contain yourselves.
   116. TVerik - Dr. Velocity Posted: September 03, 2005 at 09:30 PM (#1595659)
A straw poll of my work environment (which includes a few names that you would know) gives the White Sox no chance whatsoever of winning a first-round playoff series.

I believe even Galloro is on record predicting that.
   117. incarnadine Posted: September 03, 2005 at 09:31 PM (#1595660)
Jorge is still among the quick.
   118. incarnadine Posted: September 03, 2005 at 09:32 PM (#1595662)
erik, that's just silly.

Even the worst team can beat the best in a five games series. It's at least a 10% chance for the 2003 Tigers to beat the 1998 Yankees.
   119. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: September 03, 2005 at 09:33 PM (#1595663)
Why haven't any of the random crap pitchers the Red Sox have tried been good?
   120. incarnadine Posted: September 03, 2005 at 09:33 PM (#1595664)
I mean, don't you think so? Or am I hopelessly off base?
   121. bebop Posted: September 03, 2005 at 09:33 PM (#1595667)
Who's pitchin for the A's today Hudson or Harden?
   122. incarnadine Posted: September 03, 2005 at 09:33 PM (#1595668)
Biff, all your random crap hitters have been good.

Don't be greedy.

Cano!!
   123. incarnadine Posted: September 03, 2005 at 09:34 PM (#1595669)
I don't disagree with Crosby bunting.
   124. SM in DC Posted: September 03, 2005 at 09:34 PM (#1595670)
I heart that bunt there.
   125. incarnadine Posted: September 03, 2005 at 09:35 PM (#1595671)
Well done by Bubba Gump.
   126. incarnadine Posted: September 03, 2005 at 09:35 PM (#1595673)
I heart the manager if they take out Kirk with only PC 91.
   127. incarnadine Posted: September 03, 2005 at 09:36 PM (#1595674)
IBB'ing Jeter here is kinda silly.
   128. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: September 03, 2005 at 09:37 PM (#1595675)
Biff, all your random crap hitters have been good.

No, Kapler and Cora have been crap as anticipated. And they're not regulars.
   129. SG Posted: September 03, 2005 at 09:37 PM (#1595678)
I want to have Aaron Small's babies.
   130. incarnadine Posted: September 03, 2005 at 09:37 PM (#1595677)
Macha, Thanks for changing out an effective pitcher who's not in a PC danger zone.
   131. Ivan Grushenko of Hong Kong Posted: September 03, 2005 at 09:38 PM (#1595681)
I suppose they'd rather pitch to Sheffield than Jeter. I've no idea why.
   132. Orin Incandenza Posted: September 03, 2005 at 09:38 PM (#1595682)
IBB’ing Jeter here is kinda silly.

Seriously. Unless Matsui hits into a dp, that brings Sheff up and one batter closer to A-Rod.
   133. SG Posted: September 03, 2005 at 09:39 PM (#1595683)
It's smart to walk Skeets to get to Ground-zilla. I predict a double play.
   134. incarnadine Posted: September 03, 2005 at 09:39 PM (#1595684)
Biff, you did get two bombs from Jon "The Shovel" Olerud.
   135. TVerik - Dr. Velocity Posted: September 03, 2005 at 09:39 PM (#1595685)
IBB’ing Jeter here is kinda silly.

I disagree. DP-zilla could help them out here. I dislike the IBB heartily, but this is one of those times I think it's defensible.

Do you really think that the 2003 Tigers could beat the 1998 Yankees in a playoff series? I don't think so. I give them like a 2% chance.
   136. incarnadine Posted: September 03, 2005 at 09:40 PM (#1595686)
'Zilla is a much better hitter against lefties this year.

MUCH.
   137. SG Posted: September 03, 2005 at 09:40 PM (#1595688)
Well, he tried his durndest to hit into one.
   138. incarnadine Posted: September 03, 2005 at 09:40 PM (#1595689)
THANK GOD HE WAS HUSTLING.

That should've been a 2RBI single.

Great play, great baserunning, too.
   139. incarnadine Posted: September 03, 2005 at 09:41 PM (#1595690)
Shades of that ######## LaRussa, as we see three pitchers to get three outs.
   140. TVerik - Dr. Velocity Posted: September 03, 2005 at 09:41 PM (#1595691)
Way to pull an outside pitch, Hideki. No, push an inside pitch. I don't even know anymore!

*bursts into tears of frustration*
   141. TVerik - Dr. Velocity Posted: September 03, 2005 at 09:44 PM (#1595694)
I'm going to submit, "What odds do the 2003 Tigers have of beating the 1998 Yankees in a playoff series?" to Kay's next mailbag.

Because I don't know enough about particle physics, but will learn more when Michael whips out the percentage.
   142. incarnadine Posted: September 03, 2005 at 09:45 PM (#1595697)
You know, I don't think that was actually 112 mph.
   143. incarnadine Posted: September 03, 2005 at 09:45 PM (#1595698)
Close pitch.
   144. Orin Incandenza Posted: September 03, 2005 at 09:47 PM (#1595701)
This would be so like A-Rod to hit a meaningless grand slam with a 2-0 lead already.
   145. incarnadine Posted: September 03, 2005 at 09:48 PM (#1595702)
Is "Orin Incandenza" a real name?

Sounds cool.
   146. incarnadine Posted: September 03, 2005 at 09:49 PM (#1595704)
MV ####### P!
   147. Greg Maddux School of Reflexive Profanity Posted: September 03, 2005 at 09:49 PM (#1595705)
I ####### hate you, offense. You're getting blanked by a guy who routinely gets torched in AAA. You should be ashamed.
   148. incarnadine Posted: September 03, 2005 at 09:51 PM (#1595708)
That Alex guy can play baseball, a little.

Too bad he has better hitting guys in more important defensive positions blocking him from an MVP award, like David Ortiz.
   149. incarnadine Posted: September 03, 2005 at 09:52 PM (#1595709)
Jason is a shell of a player!
   150. SG Posted: September 03, 2005 at 09:52 PM (#1595710)
It's July in September!
   151. incarnadine Posted: September 03, 2005 at 09:53 PM (#1595711)
Lawton got jobbed on the second strike.
   152. Orin Incandenza Posted: September 03, 2005 at 09:53 PM (#1595712)
Too bad he has better hitting guys in more important defensive positions blocking him from an MVP award, like David Ortiz.

Alex isn't clutch enough. He didn't double or homer because he wanted to keep Sheff from scoring. That's how selfish and un-True-Yankee-like he is.

Is Mendoza up? Could we see him if Giambi homers?
   153. Orin Incandenza Posted: September 03, 2005 at 09:53 PM (#1595713)
Holy ####. Spoke too soon.
   154. Orin Incandenza Posted: September 03, 2005 at 09:54 PM (#1595716)
Is “Orin Incandenza” a real name?

Nope, it's a character from a book.
   155. TVerik - Dr. Velocity Posted: September 03, 2005 at 09:55 PM (#1595717)
Hell, Mendoza's their fourth starter if Mussina is hurt.
   156. incarnadine Posted: September 03, 2005 at 09:55 PM (#1595718)
Alex is the easiest pick for MVP since Jeter in 1999.

Doesn't mean that the BBWAA won't #### it up, though. In fact, I almost guarantee that they will.
   157. incarnadine Posted: September 03, 2005 at 09:56 PM (#1595719)
Orin... which book?
   158. SG Posted: September 03, 2005 at 09:56 PM (#1595720)
Is Mendoza up? Could we see him if Giambi homers?

I saw enough of Mendoza on Thursday night.
   159. Orin Incandenza Posted: September 03, 2005 at 09:56 PM (#1595721)
Hell, Mendoza’s their fourth starter if Mussina is hurt.

Sweet. I love Mendoza.
   160. incarnadine Posted: September 03, 2005 at 09:56 PM (#1595722)
Tris Crosby... your New York Yankee center fielder.
   161. SG Posted: September 03, 2005 at 09:57 PM (#1595725)
Alex is the easiest pick for MVP since Jeter in 1999.

But, he has frosted hair. And he slapped Brandon Arroyo. And...
   162. incarnadine Posted: September 03, 2005 at 09:58 PM (#1595726)
Orin, you're BTF page is the first hit in Google for "orin incandenza"
   163. Orin Incandenza Posted: September 03, 2005 at 09:58 PM (#1595727)
I saw enough of Mendoza on Thursday night.

Yikes, I missed the box score that night. Dammit. Maybe Mo can work his magic on him.
   164. incarnadine Posted: September 03, 2005 at 09:59 PM (#1595730)
Why is Gordon getting up?

Say it with me. "Seven runs."
   165. Orin Incandenza Posted: September 03, 2005 at 10:00 PM (#1595731)
Orin, you’re BTF page is the first hit in Google for “orin incandenza”

I noticed that a couple weeks ago - I knew it wasn't a common name but didn't think that would happen. That's a testament to BTF, methinks.

Orin is from Infinite Jest, a long bastard of a novel but worthwhile if you have time on your hands.
   166. incarnadine Posted: September 03, 2005 at 10:01 PM (#1595733)
But, he has frosted hair. And he slapped Brandon Arroyo. And…

SG, you know darn well that the vast majority of fans, even Boston fans, would leap at the opportunity to slap Arroyo.
   167. incarnadine Posted: September 03, 2005 at 10:02 PM (#1595735)
Aaron Small is a god, if not the God.
   168. SG Posted: September 03, 2005 at 10:02 PM (#1595736)
7 innings, 83 pitches. Small should be able to pitch nine. Why the #### does Torre have Gordon up? He is a ####### crackhead.
   169. TVerik - Dr. Velocity Posted: September 03, 2005 at 10:02 PM (#1595737)
Rank the following players for their contributions to the Yankees from late March until now.

Aaron Small
Shawn Chacon
Carl Pavano
Chin-Ming Wang
Jaret Wright
   170. Orin Incandenza Posted: September 03, 2005 at 10:02 PM (#1595738)
How is Small only at 82 pitches? He's like the anti-Leiter.
   171. TVerik - Dr. Velocity Posted: September 03, 2005 at 10:04 PM (#1595739)
Ah. And Al Leiter.

I might go with

1. Chacon
2. Wang
3. Small
4. Pavano
5. Leiter
6. Wright

But the next few weeks might change my mind.
   172. incarnadine Posted: September 03, 2005 at 10:04 PM (#1595740)
Orin, you're right.

Someone should be assigned the task of making sure Leiter and Small never come into physical contact, as I'm certain they would disappear in a shower of gamma rays and neutrinos.
   173. Orin Incandenza Posted: September 03, 2005 at 10:04 PM (#1595741)
Wang
Small
Chacon
Pavano
Wright

There's a bit of a drop between #3 and #4.
   174. TVerik - Dr. Velocity Posted: September 03, 2005 at 10:05 PM (#1595743)
Particle physics and neutrinos in the same thread! We're great.
   175. SG Posted: September 03, 2005 at 10:05 PM (#1595744)
1) Chien-Ming Wang
2) tie between Shawn Chacon and Aaron Small
3) Carl Pavano
4) Jaret Wright
   176. TVerik - Dr. Velocity Posted: September 03, 2005 at 10:06 PM (#1595745)
You really think Chacon has made a greater contribution than Small? I won't argue, but that's strong, Orin.
   177. TVerik - Dr. Velocity Posted: September 03, 2005 at 10:06 PM (#1595746)
take my #2/76 and reverse it. You know what I meant.
   178. TVerik - Dr. Velocity Posted: September 03, 2005 at 10:07 PM (#1595748)
I think Chacon has been substantially better than Small, but the last start for each gives me pause going forward.
   179. Orin Incandenza Posted: September 03, 2005 at 10:08 PM (#1595749)
You really think Chacon has made a greater contribution than Small? I won’t argue, but that’s strong, Orin.

It's close, but I have a mancrush on Small today and Chacon has recently sucked so he gets the nod.
   180. SG Posted: September 03, 2005 at 10:08 PM (#1595750)
Ranking them by VORP as Yankees:

Wang: 14.2
Chacon: 12.9
Small: 11.2
Pavano: -0.9
Wright: -1.8
   181. incarnadine Posted: September 03, 2005 at 10:09 PM (#1595751)
If Bubba fell out of a canoe, could he hit water?
   182. TVerik - Dr. Velocity Posted: September 03, 2005 at 10:10 PM (#1595755)
What's Leiter's VORP as a Yankee, SG?
   183. incarnadine Posted: September 03, 2005 at 10:10 PM (#1595756)
I'm shocked that Joe is sending Aaron out for the 8th.

Pleasantly shocked, but shocked nonetheless.
   184. TVerik - Dr. Velocity Posted: September 03, 2005 at 10:11 PM (#1595757)
Gotta save the bullpen for... uh...
   185. SG Posted: September 03, 2005 at 10:11 PM (#1595758)
Erik, 0.9. So better than Pavano and Wright. That does include yesterday's abomination too.
   186. TVerik - Dr. Velocity Posted: September 03, 2005 at 10:12 PM (#1595760)
Is Mussina better than 11.2? Or even 14.2? I'd guess in the middle there, but last time I checked, VORP loves playing time. So it might be higher than both of them.
   187. TVerik - Dr. Velocity Posted: September 03, 2005 at 10:14 PM (#1595764)
If the playoffs started tomorrow, I might go with RJ/Chacon/Small/Mendoza. It doesn't have to be Ramiro, but not Al Leiter.
   188. TVerik - Dr. Velocity Posted: September 03, 2005 at 10:15 PM (#1595767)
By the way, thank goodness that this West Coast swing is almost over. I really hated staying up, and I really hated going to bed before the game was decided (last night was pretty easy, and I don't think I missed much).
   189. incarnadine Posted: September 03, 2005 at 10:15 PM (#1595768)
I'd give Proctor a shot before Ramiro, no question.
   190. incarnadine Posted: September 03, 2005 at 10:16 PM (#1595769)
Let Small close it out for the CG.
   191. SG Posted: September 03, 2005 at 10:16 PM (#1595770)
This may be faster Erik.

VORPS for all Yankees who have thrown a pitch this season:

NAMEVORP
Randy Johnson31.3
Mike Mussina25.0
Mariano Rivera25.0
Tom Gordon21.7
Chien-Ming Wang14.2
Shawn Chacon12.9
Aaron Small11.2
Tanyon Sturtze9.3
Felix Rodriguez5.2
Scott Proctor2.7
Buddy Groom2.6
Al Leiter0.9
Colter Bean0.3
Carl Pavano-0.9
Steve Karsay-1.1
Alex Graman-1.1
Alan Embree-1.3
Jason Anderson-1.3
Ramiro Mendoza-1.4
Wayne Franklin-1.5
Jaret Wright-1.8
Mike Stanton-1.9
Jorge DePaula-2.6
Paul Quantrill-3.3
Tim Redding-5.3
Darrell May-8.5
Sean Henn-8.6
Kevin Brown-9.3
   192. incarnadine Posted: September 03, 2005 at 10:19 PM (#1595773)
Looks like Aaron will get a shot at the CG.
   193. SG Posted: September 03, 2005 at 10:19 PM (#1595775)
Let's try that again...

NAME    VORP
Randy Johnson   31.3
Mike Mussina    25.0
Mariano Rivera  25.0
Tom Gordon      21.7
Chien
-Ming Wang 14.2
Shawn Chacon    12.9
Aaron Small     11.2
Tanyon Sturtze  9.3
Felix Rodriguez 5.2
Scott Proctor   2.7
Buddy Groom     2.6
Al Leiter       0.9
Colter Bean     0.3
Carl Pavano     
-0.9
Steve Karsay    
-1.1
Alex Graman     
-1.1
Alan Embree     
-1.3
Jason Anderson  
-1.3
Ramiro Mendoza  
-1.4
Wayne Franklin  
-1.5
Jaret Wright    
-1.8
Mike Stanton    
-1.9
Jorge DePaula   
-2.6
Paul Quantrill  
-3.3
Tim Redding     
-5.3
Darrell May     
-8.5
Sean Henn       
-8.6
Kevin Brown     
-9.3 
   194. TVerik - Dr. Velocity Posted: September 03, 2005 at 10:19 PM (#1595776)
Did Ramiro earn that -1.4 the other night?
   195. Orin Incandenza Posted: September 03, 2005 at 10:20 PM (#1595778)
VORPS for all Yankees who have thrown a pitch this season:

That's bizarre that Felix has a positive number by his name.
   196. SG Posted: September 03, 2005 at 10:20 PM (#1595780)
Did Ramiro earn that -1.4 the other night?

Yep, it was a doozy of an outing.
   197. TVerik - Dr. Velocity Posted: September 03, 2005 at 10:21 PM (#1595781)
That's a pretty representative list. I don't really quibble with any of them.
   198. incarnadine Posted: September 03, 2005 at 10:23 PM (#1595783)
I'm amazed that Henn did so much damage in so little time.

Never has so much sucking been done so hard, by so few.
   199. SG Posted: September 03, 2005 at 10:26 PM (#1595788)
That’s bizarre that Felix has a positive number by his name.

If you're surprised, imagine how shocked Joe Torre would be.
   200. incarnadine Posted: September 03, 2005 at 10:26 PM (#1595789)
Lawton should've been able to cut that.
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