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   1. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: June 23, 2006 at 08:42 PM (#2073621)
As good a season as David Wright is having right now, it is entirely possible that Jose Reyes has been just as valuable as the Met third baseman so far this season when you factor in defense and baserunning. Reyes has been 6.2 runs better than average as a SS defensively whereas Wright has actually been 7.4 runs worse than average. Wright has been the better offensive player even when you adjust for position, holding the advantage in VORP by a 38-26 advantage.
   2. Paul D(uda) Posted: June 23, 2006 at 09:41 PM (#2073709)
Big test for Janssen tonight. The Jays are without Speir, Ryan and Schoenweis, they need alot of innings from their starter today.
   3. Free Rob Base Posted: June 23, 2006 at 10:07 PM (#2073740)
I'd love to see the Mets beat the snot out of the AL East -- starting tonight.
   4. Paul D(uda) Posted: June 23, 2006 at 10:22 PM (#2073759)
steve, I vote they wait till Monday.
   5. BTF's left-wing cheering section (formerly_dp) Posted: June 23, 2006 at 10:37 PM (#2073774)
The Mets and Jays are my two favorite teams- with both of them being in the race they are, a 2/3 split Jays would be the best thing. But the Mets have a better ballclub...
   6. Free Rob Base Posted: June 23, 2006 at 10:49 PM (#2073793)
steve, I vote they wait till Monday

I have nothing against the Jays -- and would prefer them to beat the Sox and Yanks -- but I think they have a chance to really make a statement and stake a claim as WS favorites.
   7. Paul D(uda) Posted: June 23, 2006 at 10:57 PM (#2073800)
And I have nothing against the Mets, but they'd really do the Jays a favour if they get swept this weekend, then sweep both the Sox and Yanks.
   8. Old Matt Posted: June 23, 2006 at 11:01 PM (#2073804)
I'm a huge fan of the Skydome. Awesome place; one of my favorites in the majors.
   9. Paul D(uda) Posted: June 23, 2006 at 11:03 PM (#2073806)
I'm a huge fan of the Skydome. Awesome place; one of my favorites in the majors.


Out of curiousity, why?

I always hear that it's not that great.
   10. Orange & Blue Velvet Posted: June 23, 2006 at 11:07 PM (#2073812)
but they'd really do the Jays a favour if they get swept this weekend, then sweep both the Sox and Yanks.
The Mets haven't been swept all year. They haven't lost three games in a row, either.

Personally, i'd take far more pleasure in the Mets beating the Sox and Yanks. The Jays have a great team, no bad apples and might be the reason the Yanks miss the playoffs. Hey, what Met isn't a fan of THAT scenario?
   11. Banta Posted: June 23, 2006 at 11:09 PM (#2073816)
Franco should definitely be playing the field over Delgado. But, I guess it's not that big of a deal.
   12. Banta Posted: June 23, 2006 at 11:11 PM (#2073817)
You know, this Reyes kid isn't that bad.
   13. Orange & Blue Velvet Posted: June 23, 2006 at 11:13 PM (#2073821)
What's with Jose and pickoffs? That's at least the fourth time he's been picked this year.
   14. Banta Posted: June 23, 2006 at 11:13 PM (#2073823)
Bleh. I had a bad feeling when Reyes didn't adjust his lead after the first close play.

And then LoDuca actually gets a hit.
   15. Paul D(uda) Posted: June 23, 2006 at 11:13 PM (#2073824)
The Mets haven't been swept all year. They haven't lost three games in a row, either.


Sounds like a good time to start. The Jays haven't won 4 games in a row, time to do it now.

You know, this Reyes kid isn't that bad.


Yeah, he could use some seasoning though. Heh. :)
   16. AJMcCringleberry Posted: June 23, 2006 at 11:16 PM (#2073831)
Did Reyes slip when he was picked off?
   17. Old Matt Posted: June 23, 2006 at 11:21 PM (#2073843)
Cohen uses our nickname for Franco! He's a secret Primate!
   18. Old Matt Posted: June 23, 2006 at 11:26 PM (#2073850)
Who is the youngest player ever to win the MVP?
   19. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: June 23, 2006 at 11:26 PM (#2073851)
I have no doubt that Cohen actually visits Metsgeek.com and other sites of the sort. I would not be shocked if he did see it there. A great nickname for Reyes would be flash.
   20. Paul D(uda) Posted: June 23, 2006 at 11:31 PM (#2073863)
Apparently Rios also has alot to learn.

Gibbons needs to stop sending his runners.
   21. AJMcCringleberry Posted: June 23, 2006 at 11:35 PM (#2073877)
Who is the youngest player ever to win the MVP?

Of the guys I checked Musial and Bench were the youngest at age 22.
   22. Banta Posted: June 23, 2006 at 11:41 PM (#2073888)
Nady got another clutch hit?! That's insane!
   23. AJMcCringleberry Posted: June 23, 2006 at 11:42 PM (#2073890)
Nady!
   24. Old Matt Posted: June 23, 2006 at 11:42 PM (#2073891)
Nady does something!
   25. Sam M. Posted: June 23, 2006 at 11:43 PM (#2073896)
Rios has not looked like a particularly good outfielder thus far. And not knowing he just caught the third out is always a good way to impress visiting NL fans . . . .
   26. Paul D(uda) Posted: June 23, 2006 at 11:48 PM (#2073908)

Rios has not looked like a particularly good outfielder thus far.


Wait till someone tries to run on him.

Although, that said, his range is pretty incredible.
   27. Banta Posted: June 23, 2006 at 11:51 PM (#2073910)
Holy crap, Glavine hasn't gotten that pitch called a strike since 1999.
   28. Sam M. Posted: June 23, 2006 at 11:59 PM (#2073914)
That was close. I thought Rios might throw out Lo Duca at second. Whew.
   29. Banta Posted: June 24, 2006 at 12:04 AM (#2073919)
Wright is ####### incredible.
   30. AJMcCringleberry Posted: June 24, 2006 at 12:04 AM (#2073920)
THAT WAS CRUSHED!
   31. Sam M. Posted: June 24, 2006 at 12:04 AM (#2073922)
That's my MVP . . . Wow. What a shot! Oh, man.
   32. Old Matt Posted: June 24, 2006 at 12:06 AM (#2073925)
MVP! MVP! MVP!

With that, I'm out of here.
   33. Sam M. Posted: June 24, 2006 at 12:07 AM (#2073927)
For all of Jose's heroics, that right there is the answer to Russlan's comment # 1. David Wright is consistent (pretty much one slump all season long thus far), and he can do that. And that is why he will end up being the greatest position player in Mets' history before he's done. When you can get on base at a .400 clip, and have 40 HR power . . . well, that's been a lethal combo ever since 1920, and it still is.
   34. AJMcCringleberry Posted: June 24, 2006 at 12:18 AM (#2073940)
Milledge showing off his power!
   35. BTF's left-wing cheering section (formerly_dp) Posted: June 24, 2006 at 12:19 AM (#2073941)
i like milledge...
   36. Banta Posted: June 24, 2006 at 12:22 AM (#2073946)
I think I'm gonna blame Nady for that.
   37. Paul D(uda) Posted: June 24, 2006 at 12:26 AM (#2073948)
According to ESPN, NYM are leading the BJs by 4 to negative 1.
   38. Mark (Muad'Dib) S Posted: June 24, 2006 at 12:29 AM (#2073951)
According to ESPN, NYM are leading the BJs by 4 to negative 1.


That should lower Glavine's ERA.
   39. Sam M. Posted: June 24, 2006 at 12:31 AM (#2073954)
According to ESPN, NYM are leading the BJs by 4 to negative 1.

According to that thread where the AL is so much better than the NL, and the Mets would only be a .500 team in the AL, this game is actually tied.
   40. Banta Posted: June 24, 2006 at 12:37 AM (#2073960)
I feel bad when the Mets announcers rush Kiner out after two innings. He looks like he wants to stay half the time.
   41. Orange & Blue Velvet Posted: June 24, 2006 at 12:58 AM (#2073984)
Milo's first unintentional walk.
   42. Banta Posted: June 24, 2006 at 12:58 AM (#2073986)
And Milledge draws a walk!

If he shows progress in his batting eye during these American League games, I think that will really count for something.
   43. AJMcCringleberry Posted: June 24, 2006 at 12:59 AM (#2073987)
A walk for Milledge. Good to see.
   44. Banta Posted: June 24, 2006 at 01:00 AM (#2073991)
If he shows progress in his batting eye

This sounds weird.
   45. Banta Posted: June 24, 2006 at 01:01 AM (#2073993)
Ahaha, LoDuca was hilarious right there.
   46. AJMcCringleberry Posted: June 24, 2006 at 01:02 AM (#2073995)
Lo Duca comes through!
   47. AJMcCringleberry Posted: June 24, 2006 at 01:06 AM (#2074003)
Milledge almost overran that.
   48. Banta Posted: June 24, 2006 at 01:06 AM (#2074006)
Well, I'd say Milledge is having a hell of a game.
   49. Banta Posted: June 24, 2006 at 01:09 AM (#2074009)
That's a great game from Glavine.
   50. Banta Posted: June 24, 2006 at 01:16 AM (#2074025)
That was a pretty sick inning from Tallet.
   51. AJMcCringleberry Posted: June 24, 2006 at 01:18 AM (#2074030)
Uh oh.
   52. Srul Itza Posted: June 24, 2006 at 01:21 AM (#2074039)
I don't know about it being a great game from Tommy -- 8 hits, 1 walk, 4 Ks in 7 innings.

I will not, however, argue with the results, 7 innings, 1 run.
   53. Orange & Blue Velvet Posted: June 24, 2006 at 01:21 AM (#2074042)
Henry Owens... paging Dr. Henry Owens.
   54. Sam M. Posted: June 24, 2006 at 01:24 AM (#2074047)
That looked very, very bad for Sanchez. I guess we can forget Heilman and the rotation, huh?
   55. Banta Posted: June 24, 2006 at 01:28 AM (#2074055)
I don't know about it being a great game from Tommy -- 8 hits, 1 walk, 4 Ks in 7 innings.


I meant it was a great game considering he was facing the Blue Jays in their park. With the way that the Jays hit against lefties, I was expecting him to get lit up.

That looked very, very bad for Sanchez. I guess we can forget Heilman and the rotation, huh?

I missed it. This is what I get for leaving for two minutes!
   56. Orange & Blue Velvet Posted: June 24, 2006 at 01:30 AM (#2074059)
I missed it. This is what I get for leaving for two minutes!
If Sanchez pitches for the Mets next year, i'll be thrilled.
   57. Sam M. Posted: June 24, 2006 at 01:31 AM (#2074064)
The Mets' infield is making a hash of this inning. Ugh.
   58. Banta Posted: June 24, 2006 at 01:31 AM (#2074065)
And there's the counterresponse to your post 33, Sam. A completely unacceptable error from Wright.
   59. Orange & Blue Velvet Posted: June 24, 2006 at 01:32 AM (#2074069)
LoDuca is a lunatic. WTF was THAT?
   60. Banta Posted: June 24, 2006 at 01:32 AM (#2074071)
Not that I'm in anyway arguing that I think that Reyes is more valuable than Wright, mind you.
   61. Sam M. Posted: June 24, 2006 at 01:34 AM (#2074074)
With Valentin dropping the ball to cost us one out, and Wright's bad throw costing us two outs, the Jays have really made five outs this inning, only two of which we've converted. That's not good . . . it'll be a miracle if we don't pay the price.
   62. Banta Posted: June 24, 2006 at 01:34 AM (#2074076)
LoDuca is a lunatic.


LoDuca really doesn't play fundemental baseball at all. He takes a lot of risks that sometimes work out and sometimes blow up. For some reason, the media only notices the good plays.
   63. Sam M. Posted: June 24, 2006 at 01:37 AM (#2074088)
And there's the counterresponse to your post 33, Sam. A completely unacceptable error from Wright.

I'd point out Reyes also made an error earlier this game . . . . Not in that situation, I grant you.
   64. Banta Posted: June 24, 2006 at 01:38 AM (#2074090)
I'd point out Reyes also made an error earlier this game . . . . Not in that situation, I grant you.

Nor was it an "easy error" or whatever you'd like to call it. Wright's errors are almost always headscratchers. Reyes's mostly come on tough plays, like the one tonight.
   65. Sam M. Posted: June 24, 2006 at 01:38 AM (#2074092)
Great, I mean GREAT, job by Bradford. Coming in unexpectedly after the injury, the infield going KA-BOOM around him. The guy had to get 43 outs, and he did it without missing a beat. Steve Trachsel should have to watch that half-inning 100 times and write a 5,000 word essay entitled, "I Want to Be a Chad Bradford Wannabe."
   66. Orange & Blue Velvet Posted: June 24, 2006 at 01:39 AM (#2074096)
Duaner Sanchez left Friday night's game in the eighth inning with an apparent right shoulder injury.
Rotoworld
   67. Banta Posted: June 24, 2006 at 01:41 AM (#2074101)
I, for one, didn't realize until I looked up his career stats the other day, just how good Chad Bradford has been in his career. Guy has a career era+ of 129 coming into his season.
   68. Sam M. Posted: June 24, 2006 at 01:41 AM (#2074103)
I am surprised it was Sanchez's right shoulder. I thought elbow for sure.
   69. AJMcCringleberry Posted: June 24, 2006 at 01:43 AM (#2074104)
I did too, Sam. So is that good news or bad?
   70. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: June 24, 2006 at 01:44 AM (#2074107)
What happened to Sanchez? Did he just throw two pitches and leave the game a la Zambrano?
   71. Sam M. Posted: June 24, 2006 at 01:45 AM (#2074109)
So is that good news or bad?

If it's a labrum, it's bad, right? But who knows -- maybe it's just a muscle pull and he's back after the ASB or something. Knock on wood, I guess.
   72. Sam M. Posted: June 24, 2006 at 01:48 AM (#2074114)
Did he just throw two pitches and leave the game a la Zambrano?

Pretty much. He threw his second pitch, and bent over on the mound in pain. He was shaking his hand/arm gingerly, the trainer came out, and that was that. Not pretty. But he didn't jog off the way Zambrano did.
   73. Sam M. Posted: June 24, 2006 at 01:49 AM (#2074121)
With the Phils down 6-0 in the 7th, we could well be looking at an 11-game lead in a little while. Except for the Sanchez thing, a very nice night.
   74. Sam M. Posted: June 24, 2006 at 01:50 AM (#2074123)
Oops. Make that 6-2, Red Sox. Utley just hit a 2-run homer.
   75. Banta Posted: June 24, 2006 at 01:51 AM (#2074125)
You know, with Bradford and Feliciano, the Mets can definitely weather Sanchez being hurt. Especially if that means Owens is gonna be brought up.

The bullpen really is something.
   76. AJMcCringleberry Posted: June 24, 2006 at 01:53 AM (#2074134)
According to Lo Duca Sanchez said he felt a tingle run down his arm. Doesn't sound like a muscle pull.
   77. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: June 24, 2006 at 01:55 AM (#2074141)
Well, it's smart of Sanchez to leave the game as quickly as possible. Hopefully this is a precautionary thing.
   78. Orange & Blue Velvet Posted: June 24, 2006 at 01:55 AM (#2074142)
Didn't Felix Heredia have the same problem last year? Numbness in his pitching arm?
   79. Banta Posted: June 24, 2006 at 01:57 AM (#2074148)
Well, it's smart of Sanchez to leave the game as quickly as possible.

I'd imagine that the Zambrano incident has to have spooked some of the Mets pitchers into being more responsible for their health.

See, guys, between remaking the Mets front office and serving as a warning to other pitchers, the Zambrano trade is the trade that just keeps on giving!
   80. Sam M. Posted: June 24, 2006 at 02:07 AM (#2074170)
You know, I know it's not polite to speak ill of the dead. But I was just looking at the standings. And the Mets right now have a 16 game lead on the Atlanta Braves. I just can't get my mind around that, really. Sixteen games. The Braves are going to the 10th inning against the D-Rays, so it may be 15.5, or 16.5 by tomorrow morning. Either way.

Last year, we finished seven back of the Braves. The year before that, 25. The year before that (hide your eyes, folks) . . . 34.5. So in successive years, the Mets made up 9.5 games and 18 games . . . and this year, it appears fairly likely they will make up in one year more than that. We're already 23 games to the good compared to last year (7 down to 16 up).

This must just be killing Bobby Cox. Darn.
   81. Sam M. Posted: June 24, 2006 at 02:54 AM (#2074232)
It's official: 11 game lead. For those keeping track at home, the NL East record for biggest margin is held by your 1986 New York Mets, who finished 21.5 games ahead of the Phillies. How rude would it be for the team to celebrate the 20th anniversary of that club by breaking its record? I'll say this: if the Phillies trade Abreu, and if the Mets stay relatively healthy, it could happen.
   82. Paul S Posted: June 24, 2006 at 03:43 AM (#2074268)
I was at the game, and Lo Duca's baserunning was the weirdest thing I've ever seen. He had NO PRAYER of making it, yet he ran anyway. He was a dead duck when he got there, so he gave up and ran out of the the baselines and was called out. But the truly weird part was that he ran back to Glaus to get tagged. What the hell was that?

I can't believe Gibbons will pull a pitcher at the drop of a hat and burn out the bullpen at an alarming rate (he seemed to get the memo to not do that tonight, though) but he'll let Chad Bradford face five righties in a row. There was no reason to not put Hinske in for Shea and Zaun in for Molina. I'm not even a Jays fan and he is starting to irritate me.
   83. Sam M. Posted: June 24, 2006 at 04:11 AM (#2074284)
Re. Sanchez: From ESPN.com:

Sanchez said he felt a shock in his neck and felt the sensation all the way to his fingertips on a wayward pitch in the eighth inning. He crouched down behind the mound and came out of the game without even trying a test pitch.

"It's something I've never felt before. It was like a shock. I don't want to take a chance," Sanchez said. "Right now I'm fine. I'm not worried about it."

Sanchez said a couple pitchers told him it's a normal thing caused by tightness.

Tony Bernazard, special assistant to the general manager, said the Mets will send Sanchez to New York on Saturday for further evaluation and an MRI.

Bernazard said the team didn't have an indication of how serious the problem is.

"He's been huge for us. He's been awesome," catcher Paul Lo Duca said. "You don't want to lose a guy like that for an extended period of time."


Sounds like it could be nothing serious . . . or ominous. To be continued, I guess.
   84. Sam M. Posted: June 24, 2006 at 04:31 AM (#2074303)
And also on the injury news front:

Philip Humber, the Mets' No. 1 draft pick in 2004, pitched in his first game Thursday night since having reconstructive elbow surgery last July. Pitching for the rookie-league Gulf Coast Mets, Humber allowed seven hits and four runs and struck out seven in four innings.

Not the most impressive outing, obviously, but just getting him back on the mound is a big step. Excellent.
   85. Raskolnikov Posted: June 24, 2006 at 05:10 AM (#2074362)
Philip Humber, the Mets' No. 1 draft pick in 2004, pitched in his first game Thursday night since having reconstructive elbow surgery last July. Pitching for the rookie-league Gulf Coast Mets, Humber allowed seven hits and four runs and struck out seven in four innings.

Not the most impressive outing, obviously, but just getting him back on the mound is a big step. Excellent.


That's fantastic news. I don't care about the results for the next month. The hardest part after this type of long lay-off is just getting back on the saddle again.

And I've cooled off on my insane, irrational infatuation with Fernando Martinez. He appears to be a pretty fragile player, and I fear these nagging injuries will end up stunting his potential.
   86. Free Rob Base Posted: June 24, 2006 at 05:44 PM (#2074516)
if the Phillies trade Abreu<i>

some team is going to steal him.

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