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   1. Old Matt Posted: August 08, 2006 at 11:42 AM (#2131074)
Not Jose Cruz, but Ricky Ledee.
   2. Joshemy Posted: August 08, 2006 at 01:19 PM (#2131130)
Ledee is lefty, which makes him much more qualified than Eli Marrero for the Mets bench.

Welcome back Mikey.
   3. J. Cross Posted: August 08, 2006 at 05:51 PM (#2131480)
From Rob Neyer's chat earlier today:
Pete (NY): If you were managing the Mets, would you start John Maine or Trachsel in game 4? Thank You.

SportsNation Rob Neyer: I doubt if Trachsel would even make my postseason roster, let alone my rotation. 1-to-1 strikeout-to-walk ratio? I don't think so...
   4. Harris Posted: August 08, 2006 at 06:18 PM (#2131519)
uh-oh Neyer - Dial is gonna put a hit on you.
   5. J. Cross Posted: August 08, 2006 at 06:24 PM (#2131530)
In order to make up for comment #3 let me say that I trust Dial's defensive numbers much more than I trust the Baseball Prospectus numbers. Here's Joe Sheehan on David Wright:
He plays his position, third base, better than Reyes plays his; in fact, Wright is going to contend for the Gold Gloves that Ryan Zimmerman doesn’t win over the next decade.

Does any one here, among the consistent viewers, think Wright plays third better than Reyes plays short? I'm among those who think that Wright will improve enough to be average or better but I'm guessing that Sheehan hasn't watched a lot of Mets games this year.
   6. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: August 08, 2006 at 06:26 PM (#2131538)
<strike> Pedro</strike> Trachsel is the awesomeness.

What are the Mets going to do with respect to the rotation this offseason? For argument's sake, let's assume the Mets decline Glavine's option and don't re-sign El Duque or Trachsel. These are the guys who the Mets have who could start next season at some point.

Pedro, Maine, Pelfrey, Bannister, Heilman, Perez, Soler, and Humber.

Now, the Mets have a big enough payroll that they could sign two free agent starters. Even if they do sign just one, they are probably going to have to trade at least one of the aforementioned pitchers.
   7. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: August 08, 2006 at 06:30 PM (#2131551)
I'm among those who think that Wright will improve enough to be average or better but I'm guessing that Sheehan hasn't watched a lot of Mets games this year.

Anyone who watchs a week's worth of Met games would disagree with that statement.
   8. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: August 08, 2006 at 06:34 PM (#2131554)
Ah, I highlighted the wrong section. This is what I disagree with.

Wright plays third better than Reyes plays short.
   9. Sam M. Posted: August 08, 2006 at 06:43 PM (#2131573)
Here's Joe Sheehan on David Wright:

He plays his position, third base, better than Reyes plays his; in fact, Wright is going to contend for the Gold Gloves that Ryan Zimmerman doesn’t win over the next decade.


And people call me a David Wright fanboy??? Sheesh.

You can pull up any thread you want, since David Wright was first drafted by the Mets. You will never find a single comment I've made -- not one -- that is as over-the-top, unsupportable, what-was-he-smoking, about David Wright as that one. If that is indicative of the conclusions that BPro's defensive metrics produce, they are utterly worthless.

Anyway. This was otherwise a really nice Wallace Matthews column, but this particular statement struck me as pretty far off-base:

And by the time the Mets win the World Series, which could be this year, plenty of Mets fans will have forgotten Piazza ever even wore the uniform.

Matthews was saying it shouldn't be that way -- that Piazza should always be remembered by Mets' fans with great respect and affection -- but I really don't think there's any chance that Mets' fans currently between the ages of 10-60 are going to forget Mike Piazza.
   10. AJMcCringleberry Posted: August 08, 2006 at 08:34 PM (#2131769)
You can pull up any thread you want, since David Wright was first drafted by the Mets. You will never find a single comment I've made -- not one -- that is as over-the-top, unsupportable, what-was-he-smoking, about David Wright as that one.

What's Wright's OPS+ this year? ;-)

From that Piazza column:

The Mets will probably never retire Piazza's number.

Why wouldn't they? He's the best position player in team history (for now) and will probably go into the HoF as a Met.
   11. David Wrightwing obstructionist Posted: August 08, 2006 at 08:35 PM (#2131771)
tips cap to Piazza

Thank you Mikey for bringing us back to legitimacy after years of pain and anguish

My all your bombs this series be solo.

Lets Go Mets!
   12. Dan Broderick Posted: August 08, 2006 at 08:53 PM (#2131802)
Thanks for linking that column Sam. I agree with Matthews that the HR against the Braves on Sept 21, 2001 was his most memorable moment as a Met. That was a miserable 10 days and the Piazza HR made a lot of people, at least for a little while, very happy and that is what baseball is all about.
   13. Bob Koo Posted: August 08, 2006 at 09:03 PM (#2131824)
Piazza remains my favorite Met ever, although either of the golden boys on the left side of the infield are competing vigorously for the top spot.

I remember the day when they traded for him- I was going to the game that night (against the Brewers) with a friend. He called me that afternoon and gave me the great news. We were both ecstatic and high-fiving each other over the phone. There was a great buzz at the stadium that night (along with the fun we had in the right field seats chanting, "Huskey's got a big fat ass, doo-dah, doo-dah"); we all couldn't wait till he arrived the next day.
   14. Old Matt Posted: August 08, 2006 at 09:13 PM (#2131839)
Why wouldn't they? He's the best position player in team history (for now) and will probably go into the HoF as a Met.

And the number was worn for much of John Franco's career. I can't think of a more proper number to retire than 31, in honor of both Piazza and Franco.

But alas, the Mets don't retire numbers.
   15. Sam M. Posted: August 08, 2006 at 09:24 PM (#2131850)
But alas, the Mets don't retire numbers.

Tom Seaver says, "Hi," and asks you to look out to the outfield wall next time you're at Shea.
   16. Old Matt Posted: August 08, 2006 at 09:29 PM (#2131855)
Tom Seaver says, "Hi," and asks you to look out to the outfield wall next time you're at Shea.

Duh, I know they have retired numbers. When was the last time they did it Sam, huh? They don't make a habit of it.
   17. Sam M. Posted: August 08, 2006 at 09:41 PM (#2131870)
Duh, I know they have retired numbers. When was the last time they did it Sam, huh? They don't make a habit of it.

June 24, 1988. Seaver's 41 is the only number they've retired for a guy as a Mets' player.

So I'd say: go in as a Met HOFer, and you get your number retired. Or at least that could be the standard. Piazza's got a shot. He's certainly the first guy since Seaver who does.
   18. Old Matt Posted: August 08, 2006 at 09:44 PM (#2131873)
I guess, but I'm of the opinion that both Carter and Hernandez should have their numbers retired by the Mets.
   19. Banta Posted: August 08, 2006 at 09:52 PM (#2131882)
Here's a good lesson in stupidity: I remember when the Mets first got Piazza, I was happy, but I wasn't particularly overjoyed. I knew that he was a great player, a .300 hitter, but when I glanced at his stats, he was only batting around .280 at the time of the trade. Would he be another superstar Mets acquistion that withered under the pressure of New York City? I mean, we already HAD an All-Star power-hitting catcher! What would happen when Hundley returned from the DL? Would getting Piazza mean that we'd be throwing away a guy who was just coming into his own?

Obviously, it didn't take long for me to come around to the realization that I was an idiot, a realization that has been repeated many times since then.
   20. Sam M. Posted: August 08, 2006 at 10:03 PM (#2131891)
I'm of the opinion that both Carter and Hernandez should have their numbers retired by the Mets.

Carter: No way. He spent only FOUR full years with the Mets (1985-88), and then played 50 games in an injury-plagued 1989. Carter played exactly 600 games in a Met uni. That's it. I cannot imagine retiring the number of a position player who played that few games, and in Carter's case, most of those were past-his-prime games, at that. His last two full years, Carter had OPS+ numbers (83, 93) that were pretty damned pedestrian. So you'd really be retiring the guy's number for TWO seasons -- 1985 and 1986. OK, those were magical seasons, but to be honest, Carter wasn't even the best player on the team either of those years. He wasn't one of the two best players.

Hernandez: Much closer case. His arrival in 1983 was integral to turning the team around starting in 1984, and he spent much more time as a Met. He WAS the best player on at least one Mets' team (1984), and might have been in 1986 as well. The problem with Keith was that he isn't a Hall of Famer, and he also brought some real baggage with him. His leadership was a mixed bag in a lot of ways; he taught those young guys how to play the game on the field, but the off the field stuff was not good. He may have cleaned up his act 50% from what it had been in St. Louis, but that left a lot of ugly . . . . I'm pretty conservative when it comes to retiring numbers. I say a guy should be pretty much a slam-dunk case, and Keith isn't. If they did it, I wouldn't object too much, but I'm OK with saying no and keeping that honor really, REALLY exclusive.
   21. Old Matt Posted: August 08, 2006 at 10:20 PM (#2131907)
Okay, how about Koosman?

I'm not challenging you on any level. You're the expert here, and I'm curious to see what you think.
   22. Old Matt Posted: August 08, 2006 at 10:25 PM (#2131910)
No Floyd again.
   23. J. Cross Posted: August 08, 2006 at 10:46 PM (#2131923)
Any predictions on the next Met to have his number retired? Beltran, Wright and Reyes all have a chance? Will someone else get in first?
   24. Rob Base Posted: August 08, 2006 at 10:54 PM (#2131933)
Kevin Elster. Man that guy had some fluid moves.
   25. J. Cross Posted: August 08, 2006 at 10:58 PM (#2131940)
Let's not forget that Elster was part of the '86 team.
   26. Rob Base Posted: August 08, 2006 at 11:04 PM (#2131949)
That's true. Not even Leiter was on that.
   27. Old Matt Posted: August 08, 2006 at 11:05 PM (#2131951)
This is bullshit. #### SNY. They didn't show the video. Disgraceful.
   28. Rob Base Posted: August 08, 2006 at 11:05 PM (#2131952)
So, Mike looks pretty big. Back on the juice?
   29. Joshemy Posted: August 08, 2006 at 11:07 PM (#2131955)
I'm hoping they show the video tribute every night (since you know, I'll be there tomorrow), but I think that is just wishful thinking on my part.
   30. Banta Posted: August 08, 2006 at 11:08 PM (#2131956)
So, Mike looks pretty big. Back on the juice?

Nah, watching LoDuca's shrimpy ass running around has skewed your judgement.
   31. Rob Base Posted: August 08, 2006 at 11:08 PM (#2131957)
Trash is pitching. Bet Piazza hits 6 home runs.
   32. Orange & Blue Velvet Posted: August 08, 2006 at 11:10 PM (#2131960)
I'm hoping they show the video tribute every night (since you know, I'll be there tomorrow), but I think that is just wishful thinking on my part.
I actually have a wmv of that. If y'all have a place I can upload it, i'd be glad to share.
   33. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: August 08, 2006 at 11:11 PM (#2131961)
Somebody might youtube it.
   34. AJMcCringleberry Posted: August 08, 2006 at 11:12 PM (#2131963)
Looking through the Mets career leaders, it's hard to find guys that should get their numbers retired. It looks like the only guys you can make a case for are Strawberry, Hernandez, Piazza, Franco, and, of course, Trachsel.
   35. Old Matt Posted: August 08, 2006 at 11:12 PM (#2131964)
Ernad, e-mail it to me. I'll upload it.

magelb@gmail.com
   36. Orange & Blue Velvet Posted: August 08, 2006 at 11:14 PM (#2131965)
Ernad, e-mail it to me. I'll upload it.
Consider it done.
   37. AJMcCringleberry Posted: August 08, 2006 at 11:14 PM (#2131968)
Cheers for Cameron. Nice.
   38. Rob Base Posted: August 08, 2006 at 11:16 PM (#2131973)
Nice inning, Trash!
   39. Old Matt Posted: August 08, 2006 at 11:16 PM (#2131974)
Trachsel!?!?!
   40. Joshemy Posted: August 08, 2006 at 11:16 PM (#2131975)
Cameron striking out. Never seen that before.
   41. J. Cross Posted: August 08, 2006 at 11:16 PM (#2131976)
Nice inning for Trax.
   42. Banta Posted: August 08, 2006 at 11:16 PM (#2131977)
That was a good inning from Trachsel. Really!
   43. Banta Posted: August 08, 2006 at 11:18 PM (#2131979)
Oh boy, Dial's gonna be so happy that we're all trained now.
   44. Old Matt Posted: August 08, 2006 at 11:18 PM (#2131980)
Woody Williams doesn't dye his hair. Nah.
   45. Rob Base Posted: August 08, 2006 at 11:21 PM (#2131984)
Former Mets great Howard Johnson has been suspended from his job as the Norfolk Tides hitting coach. A Mets spokesman said Johnson’s status is “under review.’’

Johnson, who is still scheduled to attend the 1986 World Series championship celebratory event Aug. 19 at Shea Stadium, apparently left the team for a couple days to attend a family function. According to the club, he was not given permission to leave.



Great.
   46. Joshemy Posted: August 08, 2006 at 11:22 PM (#2131986)
MVP! MVP! MVP!
   47. Old Matt Posted: August 08, 2006 at 11:22 PM (#2131987)
Let's get retarded!
   48. AJMcCringleberry Posted: August 08, 2006 at 11:24 PM (#2131989)
Dammit Delgado, how do you screw that up?
   49. Old Matt Posted: August 08, 2006 at 11:26 PM (#2131990)
And they're still going to a commercial...SNY blows.
   50. Old Matt Posted: August 08, 2006 at 11:27 PM (#2131992)
*standing ovation*
   51. Orange & Blue Velvet Posted: August 08, 2006 at 11:29 PM (#2131995)
Take this chump deep, Mikey!
   52. Joshemy Posted: August 08, 2006 at 11:29 PM (#2131996)
MIKE PI-AZZA CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP
   53. Harris Posted: August 08, 2006 at 11:29 PM (#2131997)
that's pretty sweet (even for a phils fan to watch)
   54. Banta Posted: August 08, 2006 at 11:30 PM (#2131998)
Trachsel just struck out Piazza? Huh?
   55. Rob Base Posted: August 08, 2006 at 11:31 PM (#2132001)
Trash is filthy tonight!
   56. AJMcCringleberry Posted: August 08, 2006 at 11:35 PM (#2132005)
The Piazza tribute video is on youtube.
   57. AJMcCringleberry Posted: August 08, 2006 at 11:37 PM (#2132009)
How the hell did that get out?
   58. Banta Posted: August 08, 2006 at 11:37 PM (#2132010)
What the hell was that?
   59. Rob Base Posted: August 08, 2006 at 11:37 PM (#2132011)
Pads are taking out the Trash!
   60. Joshemy Posted: August 08, 2006 at 11:37 PM (#2132012)
Wow, that ball carried a lot more than I expected.
   61. Banta Posted: August 08, 2006 at 11:38 PM (#2132014)
That last one looked hit better than Blum's homerun.
   62. J. Cross Posted: August 08, 2006 at 11:39 PM (#2132016)
Well, not as good of an inning from Traz. I'll say this in his defense, the Blum flyball wasn't exactly killed.
   63. I Love LA (OFF) Posted: August 08, 2006 at 11:39 PM (#2132017)
Trash is filthy tonight!

You are telling me. Tbis guy has been filthy all year. Ohhh...you mean against the opposition?
   64. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: August 08, 2006 at 11:39 PM (#2132018)
That ball totally fooled Milledge. He probably pulls that back if he runs to the wall and times his jump.
   65. Chris Dial Posted: August 08, 2006 at 11:40 PM (#2132019)
I started to say Endy would have caught Blum's, and wondered why he wasn't in left - oh, there's Endy in left...
   66. Old Matt Posted: August 08, 2006 at 11:40 PM (#2132020)
   67. I Love LA (OFF) Posted: August 08, 2006 at 11:42 PM (#2132027)
Fernando 2-2, double, HBP. Carlos who?
   68. Rob Base Posted: August 08, 2006 at 11:43 PM (#2132029)
Well, not as good of an inning from Traz.

Is this short for "Trazodone," the sleeping pill? If so, well played.
   69. Chris Dial Posted: August 08, 2006 at 11:44 PM (#2132030)
This is going to be rude to Piazza, and borderline disrespectful.
   70. Joshemy Posted: August 08, 2006 at 11:44 PM (#2132031)
The Mets are probably going to run wild on Mikey P.
   71. Old Matt Posted: August 08, 2006 at 11:45 PM (#2132032)
I agree Chris, unfortunately.
   72. Chris Dial Posted: August 08, 2006 at 11:45 PM (#2132033)
Come on - a wind-blown HR like that?
   73. Chris Dial Posted: August 08, 2006 at 11:46 PM (#2132035)
Ah, yes. Endy got my memo. BUNT!
   74. Old Matt Posted: August 08, 2006 at 11:46 PM (#2132037)
Endy rubbed his magic pixie dust all over that ball.
   75. AJMcCringleberry Posted: August 08, 2006 at 11:46 PM (#2132038)
Endy with the bunt hit, he needs to do that more.
   76. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: August 08, 2006 at 11:46 PM (#2132039)
Endy magic.
   77. Joshemy Posted: August 08, 2006 at 11:47 PM (#2132041)
Endy magic forced that bobble!
   78. I Love LA (OFF) Posted: August 08, 2006 at 11:47 PM (#2132043)
chavez needs toteach Reyes how to do that
   79. Banta Posted: August 08, 2006 at 11:47 PM (#2132044)
Oh, Lastings. At least that's one run, I guess.
   80. Chris Dial Posted: August 08, 2006 at 11:47 PM (#2132045)
Milledge has to do better than that.
   81. Old Matt Posted: August 08, 2006 at 11:47 PM (#2132046)
####### Milledge. Dammit.
   82. AJMcCringleberry Posted: August 08, 2006 at 11:49 PM (#2132051)
Only one run, that's disappointing.
   83. Joshemy Posted: August 08, 2006 at 11:50 PM (#2132052)
That was not good at all for bases loaded with no outs.
   84. AJMcCringleberry Posted: August 08, 2006 at 11:51 PM (#2132053)
Is it me or does Milledge swing at the curveball down and away too much?
   85. I Love LA (OFF) Posted: August 08, 2006 at 11:51 PM (#2132054)
Its getting harder and harder to be patient with Milledge. I don't remember taking this long with Jose or David.
   86. Joshemy Posted: August 08, 2006 at 11:52 PM (#2132057)
Dial,

Did you see my note in the DC meetup thread?
   87. Chris Dial Posted: August 08, 2006 at 11:53 PM (#2132060)
I knwe I needed to get back to that.
   88. Chris Dial Posted: August 08, 2006 at 11:56 PM (#2132068)
Got the note, Heit. Good to go.
   89. Chris Dial Posted: August 08, 2006 at 11:59 PM (#2132071)
Is it me, or does Trax work slowly?
   90. Old Matt Posted: August 09, 2006 at 12:00 AM (#2132074)
Aight, I'm out for tonight. People to see.

I get to see nine innings of Mikey P live tomorrow.
   91. Swoboda is freedom Posted: August 09, 2006 at 12:01 AM (#2132076)
Like watching freakin paint dry
   92. Joshemy Posted: August 09, 2006 at 12:02 AM (#2132078)
I really thought Reyes would get that though I doubt he would have gotten Cameron anyway.
   93. Chris Dial Posted: August 09, 2006 at 12:02 AM (#2132079)
What happened?
   94. Chris Dial Posted: August 09, 2006 at 12:03 AM (#2132083)
Little pitch around for Piazza. Bad idea.
   95. Chris Dial Posted: August 09, 2006 at 12:04 AM (#2132084)
attaboy, Trax.
   96. Banta Posted: August 09, 2006 at 12:05 AM (#2132086)
Whew. Thought that Piazza was gonna hit one there.
   97. AJMcCringleberry Posted: August 09, 2006 at 12:06 AM (#2132090)
I'm glad Piazza is saving his homer until the Mets are up and the bases are empty.
   98. J. Cross Posted: August 09, 2006 at 12:08 AM (#2132097)
If you know that Piazza always takes 3-0, as Trachsel undoubtedly does, it makes sense to nibble 2-0 knowing that if you miss you can at least get to 3-1.
   99. Joshemy Posted: August 09, 2006 at 12:08 AM (#2132099)
Good work from Trax to get out of that jam.
   100. Chris Dial Posted: August 09, 2006 at 12:10 AM (#2132105)
What happened on teh bloop double?
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