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Wednesday, April 25, 2012

RedSox (6-10) @ Twins (5-13), Wednesday, April 25, 2012, 8:10pm

BOS:Clay Buchholz (27, RHP, 1-1, 9.00)
MIN:Liam Hendriks (23, RHP, 0-0, 3.86)

The Primer Chimp Posted: April 25, 2012 at 10:00 AM | 172 comment(s)
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1. Captain Joe Bivens, Pointless and Wonderful Posted: April 25, 2012 at 06:26 PM (#4116184)

Time to take a deep breath and relax.

2. Jose is an Absurd Sultan Posted: April 25, 2012 at 07:00 PM (#4116210)

#### that, I want to see Buchholz pitch like someone who doesn't have his head shoved up his ass.

Game seven for the Bruins tonight, I'm wound a bit tight.

3. Jose is an Absurd Sultan Posted: April 25, 2012 at 07:39 PM (#4116239)

Attention to detail the Bobby V way;

• The original Red Sox lineup had Darnell McDonald playing left field, Kelly Shoppach catching, and David Ortiz hitting sixth. Seemed a little strange given that the Twins were starting a righthander.

Then, after a while, bench coach Tim Bogar posted a new lineup. Ryan Sweeney was back in there, as was Jarrod Saltalamacchia. And Ortiz was hitting sixth.

"The one that was posted was for the lefthander that I thought was pitching today,” Valentine admitted with a hearty laugh.

Salty caught the mistake

(extra bases)

4. Phil Coorey. Posted: April 25, 2012 at 07:49 PM (#4116250)

Got a bad feeling about the Caps game - they ####### scare me - been a crazy hockey playoffs already - go Bruins

5. Gamingboy Posted: April 25, 2012 at 08:01 PM (#4116263)

Save us Liam Hendriks, you're our only hope.

6. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: April 25, 2012 at 08:23 PM (#4116278)

I think Gonzalez has started hitting foul balls for fun.

7. Answer Guy. Posted: April 25, 2012 at 08:35 PM (#4116288)

Jeebus, it's gonna suck if the Caps win. All those ####### yuppie Caps fans on the Red Line all next week. I cannot wait until they suck again.

8. Answer Guy. Posted: April 25, 2012 at 08:38 PM (#4116292)

This would be something of a house money game for the Sox having taken the first two, except that:
1. They've pissed away a big chunk of their margin for error by starting 4-10. It was a tough stretch on the schedule, esp. with the injuries, but they're about three games behind where they should be already.
2. I really want to see Buccholz put together a decent game at some point.

9. Jose is an Absurd Sultan Posted: April 25, 2012 at 08:41 PM (#4116294)

Buchholz is huge for this team, he needs to figure out these early problems.

10. booond Posted: April 25, 2012 at 08:41 PM (#4116295)

This would be something of a house money game for the Sox

I almost feel this is a big game for them. If they leave 7-10 they can see .500, if they leave 6-11 they're a week, at best, from .500.

11. Answer Guy. Posted: April 25, 2012 at 08:49 PM (#4116305)

I almost feel this is a big game for them. If they leave 7-10 they can see .500, if they leave 6-11 they're a week, at best, from .500.

That's a good way of looking at it. When you've notched double bogeys on the first two holes and have a shot at a birdie on #3, you shouldn't be happy with par for the course.

12. Phil Coorey. Posted: April 25, 2012 at 08:51 PM (#4116307)

There are no more house money games left this season

Aviles !

13. Jose is an Absurd Sultan Posted: April 25, 2012 at 08:52 PM (#4116308)

Mike Aviles isn't going to want to leave Minnesota.

14. booond Posted: April 25, 2012 at 08:52 PM (#4116309)

Buchholz is huge for this team, he needs to figure out these early problems.

Lester, too. If this team's going to compete they need a solid rotation to minimize bullpen use. While I was against the Bard switch, at this point they have to run him out there every fifth day to see if he can pull it off.

15. Answer Guy. Posted: April 25, 2012 at 08:55 PM (#4116312)

Nice inning there. The offense is starting to click it seems.

16. Jose is an Absurd Sultan Posted: April 25, 2012 at 08:58 PM (#4116314)

Lester I'm not worried about. He's got a track record and April is always an up and down month for him at best. Buchholz is coming off a major injury, there is reason to worry.

Hey cool, yet another XBH on an 0-2 pitch.

17. booond Posted: April 25, 2012 at 08:59 PM (#4116316)

Goal!

18. Answer Guy. Posted: April 25, 2012 at 09:00 PM (#4116317)

Seguin has really stepped it up.

19. Jose is an Absurd Sultan Posted: April 25, 2012 at 09:00 PM (#4116318)

Bruins tie it at one 5 minutes left in the second.

20. Jose is an Absurd Sultan Posted: April 25, 2012 at 09:01 PM (#4116319)

He's been their best forward since the start of game five,

21. booond Posted: April 25, 2012 at 09:03 PM (#4116320)

Lester I'm not worried about.

My concern with Lester is he hasn't been good since last August. Plus, April 2011 he was lights out. He needs to get it together and run off a month of good starts.

22. UnclePab Posted: April 25, 2012 at 09:09 PM (#4116324)

Plus, April 2011 he was lights out.

I'm feel like he started strong, but then had some bad starts late April/May-ish. I remember thinking he just shifted his bad month over a few weeks.

23. Chip Posted: April 25, 2012 at 09:10 PM (#4116327)

Everything you're seeing from Buchholz points to continued back problems. Way too many pitches left up, and even more when he has to pitch out of the stretch. Out of the stretch he's constantly yanking off pitches and then looking down like it's his footing. But it's not a particular mound problem because it's happened both home and round, and with different opposing pitchers digging up landing spots different than his. That causes him to leave even more stuff up. It's the most consistent part of his performance in all his starts.

24. Jose is an Absurd Sultan Posted: April 25, 2012 at 09:14 PM (#4116330)

Nice job by Saltalamacchia to get in the rundown and make sure Gonzalez scores

25. Answer Guy. Posted: April 25, 2012 at 09:18 PM (#4116334)

6-1 is a good start, but Buc is living dangerously.

26. Phil Coorey. Posted: April 25, 2012 at 09:18 PM (#4116335)

Post 23 scares the hell out of me

27. Jose is an Absurd Sultan Posted: April 25, 2012 at 09:21 PM (#4116340)

Did Buchholz just wink at Jenny Dell?

28. UnclePab Posted: April 25, 2012 at 09:24 PM (#4116341)

Lester's 2011 starts
Looked it up - Lester had 4 bad starts out of 6 last May. Hopefully he's done with his bad stretch for this year.
And I really hope Chip is wrong.

29. Chip Posted: April 25, 2012 at 09:26 PM (#4116343)

I think the Sox staff is trying to set a record for hard contact surrendered in 0-2 and 1-2 counts.

30. Chip Posted: April 25, 2012 at 09:30 PM (#4116345)

Jason Repko doesn't get that.

31. Tim Dawson Posted: April 25, 2012 at 09:34 PM (#4116347)

I really wish Clay would find a pitch that could get a ground ball out on occasion. It might be just dumb luck on the games I've seen, or it might be just selective memory, but I just can't remember him throwing any ground ball outs.

32. Chip Posted: April 25, 2012 at 09:35 PM (#4116348)

He's had a ton of ground all outs in this game.

33. Tim Dawson Posted: April 25, 2012 at 09:37 PM (#4116349)

That's what I get for turning on the game in the third inning!

34. Tim Dawson Posted: April 25, 2012 at 09:40 PM (#4116352)

Now, I've gone back and looked at the game so far. Damn, have I ever been more wrong?

35. Chip Posted: April 25, 2012 at 09:43 PM (#4116356)

The pitches to Casilla have been awful. Twice he's left something up and outside, allowing Casilla to do the only thing he's capable of, slapping it to left.

36. Chip Posted: April 25, 2012 at 09:47 PM (#4116361)

Way to turn a DP into nothing, Clay.

37. Phil Coorey. Posted: April 25, 2012 at 09:47 PM (#4116362)

JESUS CHRIST

Let the ball go - you have one of the best defensive second basemen in the game behind you

38. Chip Posted: April 25, 2012 at 09:50 PM (#4116364)

Good pitch to Mauer.But stranding 8 baserunners through 4 IP is not a formula for success. This is like a bad rookie start against a crap team.

39. Phil Coorey. Posted: April 25, 2012 at 09:53 PM (#4116368)

Pedroia really does have some sneaky good opposite field power although that should have been caught

...and there is the 'fundamentally sound' quote I have been waiting for from the clown factory in the booth.

40. Jose is an Absurd Sultan Posted: April 25, 2012 at 09:57 PM (#4116372)

Bruins are going to drive me to drink

41. Answer Guy. Posted: April 25, 2012 at 09:58 PM (#4116374)

Hockey is just such a crapshoot.

42. UnclePab Posted: April 25, 2012 at 10:04 PM (#4116380)

A much needed 9-pitch inning.

43. Answer Guy. Posted: April 25, 2012 at 10:05 PM (#4116382)

Yep..maybe they can get one more outta Buc.

44. Chip Posted: April 25, 2012 at 10:06 PM (#4116383)

[rubs eyes] A 1-2-3 inning?!? [/rubs eyes]

45. Answer Guy. Posted: April 25, 2012 at 10:06 PM (#4116385)

Cripes...another OT game.

46. Answer Guy. Posted: April 25, 2012 at 10:14 PM (#4116389)

I guess this is better than Clay's other starts. Would love another quick 1-2-3 here; probably his last inning of work either way unless he gets three first-ball swinging outs or something.

47. Chip Posted: April 25, 2012 at 10:15 PM (#4116393)

Maybe he just needs to throw 70 pitches before his back loosens.

48. Jose is an Absurd Sultan Posted: April 25, 2012 at 10:15 PM (#4116394)

Thought Buchholz could ave made the play. Eh, on replay probably not.

49. Chip Posted: April 25, 2012 at 10:18 PM (#4116396)

Burned again by the bottom of the lineup.

50. Answer Guy. Posted: April 25, 2012 at 10:20 PM (#4116398)

That's 11 baserunners now for Minnesota.

51. Chip Posted: April 25, 2012 at 10:23 PM (#4116401)

Another terribly located 2-strike pitch.

52. Answer Guy. Posted: April 25, 2012 at 10:26 PM (#4116403)

Bruins lose. ####.

53. Jose is an Absurd Sultan Posted: April 25, 2012 at 10:29 PM (#4116404)

Up by five and I don't feel remotely confident right now.

54. Jose is an Absurd Sultan Posted: April 25, 2012 at 10:31 PM (#4116405)

This is just a ridiculous baseball team.

55. Answer Guy. Posted: April 25, 2012 at 10:31 PM (#4116406)

And even this game is slipping away it seems. Buc isn't right. Maybe he gets bounced from the rotation when someone comes off the DL.

56. Jose is an Absurd Sultan Posted: April 25, 2012 at 10:32 PM (#4116408)

Are you ####### kidding me? Thomas?

57. Jose is an Absurd Sultan Posted: April 25, 2012 at 10:34 PM (#4116409)

There's a shocker.

58. Jose is an Absurd Sultan Posted: April 25, 2012 at 10:34 PM (#4116410)

####### terrible baseball team.

59. Answer Guy. Posted: April 25, 2012 at 10:35 PM (#4116411)

Justin Thomas in a high-leverage situation. This is why I still think this team finishes 4th.

60. Chip Posted: April 25, 2012 at 10:36 PM (#4116412)

5.3 IP, 10 hits, 5 ER against a dreadful offense.

61. Tim Dawson Posted: April 25, 2012 at 10:36 PM (#4116413)

Hmmm...interesting bringing Atchison in to face Mauer, especially since he worked 2 innings yesterday. Hope the Sox manage to pull out the game, but that just looked like a bonehead move.

62. Chip Posted: April 25, 2012 at 10:36 PM (#4116414)

Not to mention the walks. Go to the DL Clay.

63. Jose is an Absurd Sultan Posted: April 25, 2012 at 10:36 PM (#4116415)

Release this ####### guy

64. Jose is an Absurd Sultan Posted: April 25, 2012 at 10:37 PM (#4116417)

Sox didn't have a lefty ready. Ridiculous.

65. Tim Dawson Posted: April 25, 2012 at 10:39 PM (#4116418)

Again, we waived Michael Bowden to keep Justin Thomas. I don't get that.

66. Jose is an Absurd Sultan Posted: April 25, 2012 at 10:39 PM (#4116419)

Bases loaded, Albers, how can this end badly?

67. Ray (CTL)

Posted: April 25, 2012 at 10:39 PM (#4116420)

Parmalee down for the count.

Who is the Twins color announcer? Tom Kelly?

68. Phil Coorey. Posted: April 25, 2012 at 10:39 PM (#4116421)

This team is kidding themselves - I'm not going to get angry - I'm just not going to watch

Bye

69. Jose is an Absurd Sultan Posted: April 25, 2012 at 10:41 PM (#4116424)

Just hit the grand slam so I can go to bed in peace.

70. Answer Guy. Posted: April 25, 2012 at 10:42 PM (#4116425)

That's 8 people reaching safely in a row.

71. Ray (CTL)

Posted: April 25, 2012 at 10:42 PM (#4116426)

Lol. You guys are really too much. Why do you watch, if you get this stressed about it?

72. Jose is an Absurd Sultan Posted: April 25, 2012 at 10:43 PM (#4116427)

whew.

73. Answer Guy. Posted: April 25, 2012 at 10:44 PM (#4116428)

I was watching hockey and knew the Sox had a big lead so figured I'd switch to following that. Bad idea.

74. Jose is an Absurd Sultan Posted: April 25, 2012 at 10:44 PM (#4116429)

Because the same emotional response that makes me insane on a night like this is what made October 27, 2004 one of the two or three best nights of my life. I wouldn't want to go through my day to day life without emotion.

75. Tim Dawson Posted: April 25, 2012 at 10:45 PM (#4116430)

Is Bard still in the bullpen tonight?

I'm guessing no. But I'd really like to be wrong.

76. Textbook Editor Posted: April 25, 2012 at 10:45 PM (#4116431)

[sigh]

Well, if Buchholz is all messed up, we'll need Bard in the rotation for sure, so at least there's that.

Gonna haveta win a lotta 10-9 games this year...

77. Jose is an Absurd Sultan Posted: April 25, 2012 at 10:48 PM (#4116434)

And of course the offense is done. Unreal the way this team just shuts it down, the add on runs they got from 2003-2009 no longer happen.

78. plink Posted: April 25, 2012 at 10:48 PM (#4116435)

Who is the Twins color announcer? Tom Kelly?

Indeed. Blyleven is apparently on vacation.

79. UnclePab Posted: April 25, 2012 at 10:48 PM (#4116436)

A) Why is Justin Thomas still on this team?!?
B) Free Aaron Cook!

80. Chip Posted: April 25, 2012 at 10:48 PM (#4116437)

Ross down with a sore knee. That figures.

81. Jose is an Absurd Sultan Posted: April 25, 2012 at 10:50 PM (#4116438)

Way to go guys.

82. plink Posted: April 25, 2012 at 10:50 PM (#4116439)

And of course the offense is done. Unreal the way this team just shuts it down, the add on runs they got from 2003-2009 no longer happen.

Not sure what makes you say this. They've had great offenses each of the past two years.

83. Ray (CTL)

Posted: April 25, 2012 at 10:50 PM (#4116441)

Silly Tim Dawson. Your closer can't be used until the 9th inning. It's a rule.

84. Answer Guy. Posted: April 25, 2012 at 10:50 PM (#4116442)

And the offense is going to sleepwalk because they got out to a big lead. Hopefully they've noticed it's gone.

85. Jose is an Absurd Sultan Posted: April 25, 2012 at 10:51 PM (#4116443)

A) Why is Justin Thomas still on this team?!?

Pictures of Cherington in Jenny Dell's thong?

86. Answer Guy. Posted: April 25, 2012 at 10:51 PM (#4116444)

Who knew that being a Red Sox outfielder is apparently as perilous as being the drummer in Spinal Tap? Or the #3 man in al-Qaeda?

87. Ray (CTL)

Posted: April 25, 2012 at 10:52 PM (#4116445)

Because the same emotional response that makes me insane on a night like this is what made October 27, 2004 one of the two or three best nights of my life. I wouldn't want to go through my day to day life without emotion.

I was ecstatic when they came back to win in 2004. I watched every pitch, even of the 19-8 game. I am probably the last person ever to give up on a big game; I always think the team can come back.

Yet, funnily enough, I don't feel the need to jump off a bridge when they are losing or blow a big lead. Huh.

88. Ray (CTL)

Posted: April 25, 2012 at 10:53 PM (#4116446)

Yeah, Tom Kelly sounds like he's asleep.

89. Jose is an Absurd Sultan Posted: April 25, 2012 at 10:54 PM (#4116447)

You're just a better man than me I guess. The fact that I keep watching should tell you that for all my ######## I don't stop rooting.

90. Textbook Editor Posted: April 25, 2012 at 10:54 PM (#4116448)

Relax, guys. Vincente's got this.

91. Tim Dawson Posted: April 25, 2012 at 10:54 PM (#4116449)

Well, the good thing about Padilla...he's good in close games.

Oh, and he was safe.

92. Ray (CTL)

Posted: April 25, 2012 at 10:55 PM (#4116450)

Yes, he was safe.

93. Tim Dawson Posted: April 25, 2012 at 10:57 PM (#4116451)

Why do they cut to Jenny Dell with just audio?

94. Chip Posted: April 25, 2012 at 10:57 PM (#4116452)

Jenny Dell couldn't sound more metronomic reading the notes written for her by a producer.

95. Jose is an Absurd Sultan Posted: April 25, 2012 at 10:57 PM (#4116453)

Nice work by Padilla

96. Tim Dawson Posted: April 25, 2012 at 10:58 PM (#4116455)

That was some nice pitching by Vicente. The blown call at first might've given him some confidence.

97. UnclePab Posted: April 25, 2012 at 10:58 PM (#4116456)

Nice work by Padilla

Indeed. I had almost forgotten what an effective inning of relief pitching looks like.

98. Tim Dawson Posted: April 25, 2012 at 11:04 PM (#4116459)

I think Youk will do some damage here.

99. Tim Dawson Posted: April 25, 2012 at 11:06 PM (#4116461)

And I have an odd amount of faith in Morales in the upcoming inning.

Should I be saying that after Youk K'd?

100. Rafael Bellylard: The Grinch of Orlando. Posted: April 25, 2012 at 11:06 PM (#4116462)

I think Youk will do some damage here.

Only to his batting average.

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