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   1. Hendry's Wad of Cash (UCCF) Posted: February 15, 2006 at 05:49 AM (#1862609)
First, pitchers and catchers! Yay!

Second, I do not have quiet confidence in this team. The front office frittered away about $30M in salary this offseason signing middling veteran relievers and middling position players, and that's going to come back to haunt them.

My only hope for right now is that they manage to get through spring training without signing Baker to an extension.
   2. Moses Taylor loves a good maim Posted: February 15, 2006 at 04:59 PM (#1862935)
A skeptic might argue that something like “hitters who get on-base” should have been somewhere on that list, but its heartening to imagine that Hendry and Baker could possibly be held accountable if Scott Eyre doesn’t lead us to the promised land.

Sure, but he's talking about what Dusty asked for. Dusty didn't ask for it, didn't really get. But we know Dusty doesn't really think he needs it. I like this point, and I hope the press keeps up on it.
   3. Fred Garvin is dead to Mug Posted: February 15, 2006 at 05:22 PM (#1862970)
The front office frittered away about $30M in salary this offseason signing middling veteran relievers and middling position players, and that's going to come back to haunt them.

While I agree with this, I'll take a slightly different view: The front office had many holes to fill. It also had $30MM (if not more) to spend, as well as a decent amount of minor league talent and serviceable players such as Hairston, Patterson, and Walker.

The problem was that this was the worst FA market in recent memory. For that reason, IMO, it was incumbent on Hendry to be proactive and creative this off-season -- looking both at the FAs as well as the trade markets. He did this with the Pierre deal, to some extent, but he needed to do more -- particularly in RF, but also perhaps in SS and in the MI, as well as in the bullpen and starting rotation. Don't even start with the bench. Hendry needed more than just "Plan A -- Furcal"; he needed Plans B, C, and D as well.

Hendry "frittered" away the $30MM, but this was not only because he overpaid for Howry, Dempster, Eyre, Jones, Perez, etc., but I believe it was also because he didn't seem to actively pursue other teams who may have been looking to make salary dumps or youth movements. At the end of 2004, he was looking to dump Sosa's contract on anyone who would take him -- not necessarily because he was a bad player (though he turned out that way), but for personality reasons. Hendry could have been on the other end of that this season, taking the same aggressive interest in Manny Ramirez, for instance, that he appeared to show in Miguel Tejada. Perhaps he could have matched or beaten the White Sox offer to get Javier Vazquez. Craig Wilson, while an injury risk, may still be available for the right price. Perhaps the Reds might be interested in dealing Austin Kearns for pitching. We'll never know.

In the end, Hendry had the $30MM to spend and, doggone it, he did. In that sense, he "frittered" it away when he could have spent better or perhaps not at all. Where this will "come back to haunt them," however, won't just be in 2006 -- it will be in the fact that he gave multi-year deals to most of these stiffs which will hurt the team in 2007 and 2008 as well.
   4. Spahn Insane Posted: February 15, 2006 at 05:24 PM (#1862975)
Screw the WBC. That's pretty irritating, that both Cub catchers are missing most of ST.
   5. Slivers of Maranville descends into chaos (SdeB) Posted: February 15, 2006 at 05:42 PM (#1863002)
Hendry could have been on the other end of that this season, taking the same aggressive interest in Manny Ramirez, for instance, that he appeared to show in Miguel Tejada.

Would the Cubs really be better off paying Manny his current salary and giving up on Matt Murton?
   6. Kiko Sakata Posted: February 15, 2006 at 05:54 PM (#1863020)
Would the Cubs really be better off paying Manny his current salary and giving up on Matt Murton?

Manny Ramirez used to be a rightfielder back in the day and the only positive I've really ever heard about his defense is that he's supposedly got a pretty decent arm (he had 17 assists last year, which is excellent for a left fielder, albeit fluky).
   7. Fred Garvin is dead to Mug Posted: February 15, 2006 at 05:55 PM (#1863023)
Would the Cubs really be better off paying Manny his current salary and giving up on Matt Murton?

I would say so, but I can understand differently. I don't necessarily think the two are mutually exclusive, however; for all we know, the Cubs may have been able to get Ramirez and keep Murton as a bench/semi-regular.

It would have been a bold move, though; one that is largely out of Hendry's character.
   8. Hendry's Wad of Cash (UCCF) Posted: February 15, 2006 at 06:03 PM (#1863033)
Would the Cubs really be better off paying Manny his current salary and giving up on Matt Murton?

I'd have much rather seen Corey Patterson in CF and Manny in RF than Pierre/Jones. I think the Cubs probably could have gotten Manny for some good pitching prospects (like Nolasco and Pinto and some of the relievers they basically cut for nothing) if they agreed to take on the lion's share of the salary. Murton wouldn't necessarily have had to be included in the deal.
   9. Fred Garvin is dead to Mug Posted: February 15, 2006 at 06:07 PM (#1863036)
Manny Ramirez used to be a rightfielder back in the day and the only positive I've really ever heard about his defense is that he's supposedly got a pretty decent arm (he had 17 assists last year, which is excellent for a left fielder, albeit fluky).

From everything I've heard/read, Manny's defense is an absolute joke. Still, I'd have a more visceral excitement over a team with an outfield of Manny/Corey/Murton (or whomever) than Murton/Pierre/Jones.
   10. Bunny Vincennes Posted: February 15, 2006 at 06:12 PM (#1863050)
Screw the WBC. That's pretty irritating, that both Cub catchers are missing most of ST.

I completely agree. I think the whole thing is robustly stupid.
   11. Kiko Sakata Posted: February 15, 2006 at 06:14 PM (#1863053)
From everything I've heard/read, Manny's defense is an absolute joke.

Oh, I absolutely agree. I just think that Murton-Patterson-Manny would be a much better outfield, even given his horrific defense, than Murton-Pierre-Jones. Of course, Manny would have cost more than Pierre, too (in terms of players), so it's hard to say if overall the Cubs would have been better.
   12. CFiJ Posted: February 15, 2006 at 06:26 PM (#1863071)
Derrek, Michael, and Henry:

Give 'em hell in the WBC, boys!
   13. Slivers of Maranville descends into chaos (SdeB) Posted: February 15, 2006 at 09:24 PM (#1863381)
I'd have much rather seen Corey Patterson in CF and Manny in RF than Pierre/Jones. I think the Cubs probably could have gotten Manny for some good pitching prospects (like Nolasco and Pinto and some of the relievers they basically cut for nothing) if they agreed to take on the lion's share of the salary. Murton wouldn't necessarily have had to be included in the deal.

That's assuming Manny would be willing to play in right. And I think the Cubs would have had to take on all of his salary.
   14. Hendry's Wad of Cash (UCCF) Posted: February 15, 2006 at 09:27 PM (#1863389)
And I think the Cubs would have had to take on all of his salary.

I don't think the Cubs would have had any trouble taking on the salary. The money spent on Jones and Pierre makes up a pretty decent chunk of it, and (assuming more room was needed - there's talk that the Cubs still have money to spend but no place to spend it) forego some of the veteran relievers who are taking the place of younger guys (or guys who were DFA'd and/or traded for nothing prospects to make room on the 40-man roster). The money was there.
   15. Bunny Vincennes Posted: February 15, 2006 at 09:50 PM (#1863437)
Jacque Jones is my new least favorite Cub.
   16. Kiko Sakata Posted: February 15, 2006 at 09:55 PM (#1863445)
I don't think the Cubs would have had any trouble taking on the salary. The money spent on Jones and Pierre makes up a pretty decent chunk of it, and (assuming more room was needed - there's talk that the Cubs still have money to spend but no place to spend it) forego some of the veteran relievers who are taking the place of younger guys (or guys who were DFA'd and/or traded for nothing prospects to make room on the 40-man roster). The money was there.

This is what's so damn frustrating about the Cubs. Coming out of last season, their most glaring holes were OBP and the outfield, yet somehow they convinced themselves that their problems were speed and middle relief.

From what they had at the end of last season, their only really glaring hole was right field. I don't know that I'd have gone for Manny Ramirez to fill it -- he's got his problems, certainly -- but when you plug your biggest hole with Jacque Jones or, at best (worst?), a Jacque Jones / Marquis Grissom platoon, that's incredibly frustrating.
   17. Fred Garvin is dead to Mug Posted: February 15, 2006 at 10:14 PM (#1863476)
I would've put Manny in LF and moved Murton to RF. He doesn't have the arm for it, but (a) his glove is better and (b) Manny doesn't have a RF arm either. Heck, I'd be tempted to put Murton in CF and Patterson in RF if I had to.
   18. Sweet Posted: February 16, 2006 at 12:27 AM (#1863631)
I would have signed the best RF in baseball last year, who just happened to be a free agent. There was a price at which he would have left San Diego. OBP? Solved. Right field? Solved. Wildcard? Favorites.

Oh well.
   19. Pops Freshenmeyer Posted: February 16, 2006 at 04:15 AM (#1863840)
I would've put Manny in LF and moved Murton to RF. He doesn't have the arm for it, but (a) his glove is better and (b) Manny doesn't have a RF arm either.

Manny's arm is quite good.

Don't fewer balls go to RF anyway? Isn't LF the place for the more mobile defender all else being equal?
   20. Cabbage Posted: February 16, 2006 at 04:37 AM (#1863858)
Hey! even the likely crappiness of the cubs can't daunt my enthusiasm on Pitchers and Catchers Day. Who cares if they suck! At least they'll suck while playing baseball!

It was damn warm on tuesday and as I felt the sun on my back, I thought I smelled spring for a moment.

Baseball's comin' hide your heart girl.
   21. Hendry's Wad of Cash (UCCF) Posted: February 16, 2006 at 05:03 AM (#1863875)
Don't fewer balls go to RF anyway? Isn't LF the place for the more mobile defender all else being equal?

I would guess yes b/c I think there are more right handed hitters (and IIRC flyballs tend to be pulled).
   22. The Polish Sausage Racer Posted: February 16, 2006 at 08:10 PM (#1864792)
Did Chad Fox retire like he was threatening to do? I see he's not on the 40-man roster.
   23. diehard4life Posted: February 22, 2006 at 08:21 PM (#1871636)
We have so many issues, it is hard to sort them all out.

1. Excuses: Crusty has had excuses for everything. Clubhouse tension, Alou, Scammy, and his boombox are gone. Leaks 'n' snitches, Hendry has removed all Crusty's old toys and tried to replace them with baseball players. We get only spin and lies from the front office and media, of course we are dying to get real news from a player or two. So as of 2004 all the bad apples are gone. No Clubhouse Leader, We'll if Crusty gets his way, Grisom will be there. I kinda like the idea. But what we really could use is Lofton, circa 2003. He was the real deal. Leadership, and lead off singles. Bartman, I was there. I couldn't see from my angle, but like everyone else, it was apparent that this had nothing to do with anything. Alou even said that he would not have mad this play. I mean did Vegas get involved? Everyone knows Alou's muligan ball was in the Ivy, so he couldn't of even faked it.

2. Quality players: Last year I knew the platoon schmeme was not going to work. I like younger players, but did Mulletsworth or DuBois catch ANY ball hit to left before it bounced? It's not tennis is it? We need starters and bench players. They do different things. Use them correctly. We made some strides, but what happened to another REAL starting pitcher? In November Rothschild sounded like we need one. Then, we could count on Kerry, now we aren't sure again. WTF? I may have forgotten, but didn't we learn last year that catch up doesn't work unless you are Houston. I love Glendon Rusch, he is like the everyman that can also pitch pretty well. Jerome Williams has some potential. But we really needed another horse. Let's hope I'm wrong!

3. Health: No one could see Nomore's body melting down before we signed him. I know I was totally jacked when we signed him. But Prior and Wood continue to worry me. If Prior says he's OK, then let's let him play. He has perfect throwing motion right? Let's let Woody get back on track. They should have shut him down much earlier. Instead, it was the media circus. He'll never pitch in the pen. He makes too much to pitch in the pen. We're gonna try him in the pen. We need him for the penant race. What a bunch of BS. Aramis' legs worry me, I hope he comes back ready to roll.

4. Management errr uhh not: I'm not paid millions to make baseball decisions, but the toothpick chewer is. And he usually makes a no call or is too late in making a call. Like when a pitcher is starting to tire and loads up the bases. The Crusty call is usually after we have lost the game, then we through the whole damn pen at them. He's not consistent either. Last year a new trick was started. If you blow up an inning, say you don't feel well and come out. While this turned out to be true for Wood. It carried over to other guys. Remember after Remlinger's first bad spell. "oh he broke his pinky in a lawn chair." HUH?

5. WBC: On paper, this is the best idea ever. I looked into tickets, but it starts after I'm in Mesa. Now that I see who is going, this is STUPID! I think our boys deserve the honor of playing for their countries. But we have had so many injuries, I worry about loosing one of them to this sideshow. Also, We have new pitchers and pitchers that need to dial in. I also fear that with all of the above, the last thing we need is to have guys MIA for a few weeks.

6. Lies: I'm sick of all the BS from the front office. Nothing is more insulting than going to a game, watching the outcome, then walking home and hearing crap coming from the press. We are not all stupid. Let's give the fans a little credit. Are we really trying to win it all? Or are we aiming for an even 100 years? One lie that burns me is the Money lie. Suddenly, we don't have the money to get top notch guys. What about the extra 4.8 Million in bleacher ticket revenue? Add in whatever it's gonna cost for the as*clowns to rent out the batter's eye lounge. If you have a few beers, the tix should be free. Crummy Bud Scheit really costs less than 50 cents a glass. Maybe we should blame the Tribune. If we do that we could blame the LA Times which is like a cinder block attached to the Trib's neck. I mean are they selling the Cubs or not? Anyone beside Wirtz would treat us season ticket holders better. Heck, blame the fans, I have paid 28.5% more per seat this year than in 2003. And the team has done progressively worse.

All this ######## aside, I'll be headed to Mesa next week to watch whoever is playing. Spring will be around the corner and I can not wait to check out the new bleachers.

Let's stop spinning our wheels and play ball!

GO CUBBIES!

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