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   1. Chest Rockwell Posted: July 27, 2006 at 10:14 PM (#2114895)
Are we really going into next year with rotation spots for Guzman and Marhsall. Ick.
   2. Hendry's Wad of Cash (UCCF) Posted: July 27, 2006 at 10:18 PM (#2114899)
Are we really going into next year with rotation spots for Guzman and Marhsall. Ick.

I think Marshall's a definite. Guzman is still a question mark. Both Dusty and Hendry have been quick to place blame for some of this year's sucky performance on the fact that they were "forced" to use a lot of rookie pitchers in the starting rotation. I don't think you can say that, then turn around and pencil in more rookies for next year.

I suspect the Cubs will make at least one ill-advised veteran SP signing this offseason, even if Maddux does sign a one-year deal to come back.
   3. Fred Garvin is dead to Mug Posted: July 27, 2006 at 10:21 PM (#2114901)
I'm not sure if Dempster is ideal as a closer either, but I don't begrudge him for being upset at being taken out. I'd want him to have that kind of fire. Nor do I begrudge Dusty for taking him out either.

It just seems to me to be one of those things that happens. Let's see how Dempster responds -- will he pitch like he did last year or like he did last month?
   4. Chest Rockwell Posted: July 27, 2006 at 10:40 PM (#2114913)
What's the upside for Marshall next year - league average? And I would think similarly for Guzman. And if we're rooting for Hill to make a good enough showing to be considered for a rotation spot next year, then probably same for him. So we're "hoping" for three league average pitchers in our rotation with Z?

Could be worse and there's probably some potential with Guzman or Hill, but I can't see us particularly competitive if that happens.
   5. Spahn Insane Posted: July 27, 2006 at 10:45 PM (#2114917)
What's the upside for Marshall next year - league average? And I would think similarly for Guzman.

Yeah, probably, but screw next year. I think Marshall's a good bet to be a solid #3 at some point, even if it's 2 or 3 years from now. I don't really see the Cubs competing next year anywya.
   6. 1k5v3L Posted: July 27, 2006 at 10:48 PM (#2114921)
Before this season started, I traded RDempster and MGiles for ADunn and EEncarnacion in my NL only keeper league. Heh heh.
   7. dcsmyth1 Posted: July 27, 2006 at 10:53 PM (#2114925)
"Marshall has earned a spot in the rotation for next year.

Then I guess you are not trying to use the standard of a contending team. Marshall has a 4.98 ERA, with a mediocre K rate. If you want to say that this is decent, considering his age and experience, and so he should be "in the mix", that's fine with me. But pitchers with a 4.98 ERA and no prior record of success haven't 'earned' anything, other than an invitation to spring training.

As far as Dempster, if this were the White Sox, Ozzie would not have said something like "he's frustrated because he is so competitive, and we like competitive players". He would have said, "If you want to be my closer with a long leash, you have to stop blowing saves and stop walking so many batters". As a starter, Dempster had poor control, among the worst in baseball. I guess they figured it would be different as a short reliever, but his BB rate is still poor. If you ask me, in a closer I want a guy who might get beat once in a while, but who won't often beat himself. That means good control. I suspect that Dempster had a run of good luck in his save streak, and he that is now going to likely perform at his true level of ability, which, according to the projections I've seen such as PECOTA, is not at the level of a top reliever.

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