Baseball for the Thinking Fan

Login | Register | Feedback

btf_logo
You are here > Home > Gonfalon Cubs > Discussion
Gonfalon Cubs
— Cubs Baseball for Thinking Fans

Reader Comments and Retorts

Go to end of page

Statements posted here are those of our readers and do not represent the BaseballThinkFactory. Names are provided by the poster and are not verified. We ask that posters follow our submission policy. Please report any inappropriate comments.

   1. Andere Richtingen Posted: July 20, 2006 at 09:39 PM (#2105363)
My dad lived in Chicago in the early 50s and frequently referred to Cavarretta's heroics as a manager/pinch-hitter back then. That would be fun, seeing the manager come off the bench in the late innings. Sometimes I wish Dusty would do this.
   2. Fred Garvin is dead to Mug Posted: July 20, 2006 at 09:55 PM (#2105383)
Nice comments on Cavarretta, but Andere beat me to the punch -- in addition to being a fine player, he was a player/manager for three seasons as well.

I can't help but laugh at this, though:

"He won the MVP and led the final Cubs’ team of the 20th century to the World Series . . . ."

It's important which century was specified, to clear up the confusion of all those World Series the Cubs won this century.
   3. Fred Garvin is dead to Mug Posted: July 20, 2006 at 09:57 PM (#2105386)
Oh, and while Ross touched on the fact that Phil debuted at the age of 18, it should also be mentioned that he came to the Cubs straight from Lane Tech, about a mile west of Wrigley on Addison, at Western.
   4. KB JBAR (trhn) Posted: July 20, 2006 at 10:18 PM (#2105404)
Pierre has hit 387/406/500 in July and 283/352/381 in June. Baseball Prospectus did an analysis of Jose Reyes that found that his baserunning was equivalent to about 20-30 points of OBP. I'd imagine the same is true for Pierre. Assuming he can hit as well as he did in June down the stretch, I see no reason to move him off the leadoff spot.

Barrett has been hitting for average and power (200 IsoP). The ability to move baserunners generated by that power would be wasted in the leadoff spot. And unlike Pierre, he's not an asset once he reaches first base.

A novel approach would be to put Lee in the leadoff spot. Lee's power has been down a bit since his injury, so it's not like he would be hitting a bunch of solo HRs. Lee's walk rate is good and he's fairly decent on the basepaths.


Maybe a top of the lineup of
Lee
Pierre
Barrett
Jones
Ramirez
etc.
   5. Neil M Posted: July 20, 2006 at 10:55 PM (#2105435)
"He won the MVP and led the final Cubs’ team of the 20th century to the World Series . . . ."

I had completely forgotten that the 2000 Cubs (or 1999, YMMV) had reached the World Series - and with an octagenarian at the helm!
   6. vortex of dissipation Posted: July 20, 2006 at 11:35 PM (#2105512)
(please don’t take this statement as an endorsement of the dropping of the atomic bombs on Japan).

Fair enough. I'll endorse it, then...
   7. vortex of dissipation Posted: July 20, 2006 at 11:45 PM (#2105540)
Amazing to think that Cavarretta was playing when Babe Ruth still swung the lumber.

Babe Ruth hit home run #711 against the Cubs at Wrigley Field off Tex Carleton on May 21, 1935. I don't know if Cavarretta was in the lineup that day, but as he missed only 8 games all year, it's likely he was.
   8. tfbg9 Posted: July 21, 2006 at 04:42 AM (#2106215)
"Just get him out, gutless."
   9. Al Tiller the Hun Posted: July 21, 2006 at 05:19 AM (#2106237)
Thanks for the post Ross. I read it just in time to make a birthday toast.

Phil was also the 5th Cub. In the 131 years of the Chicago National League franchise, at least one of these 10 men has played in each season:

Cap Anson 1876-97
Frank Chance 98-1912
Hippo Vaughn 13-21
Gabby Hartnett 22-40
Phil Cavaretta 34-53
Ernie Banks 53-71
Rick Reuschel 72-81
Leon Durham 81-88
Mark Grace 88-2000
Kerry Wood 00-06

It breaks my heart that we'll probably have to find an 11th next year.

Worst. Season. Ever.
   10. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: July 21, 2006 at 12:17 PM (#2106344)
I saw Phil play several times. As a quick refresher, my uncle lived in Chicago and my dad would take me to visit once a year or so. We always saw some ballgames be it the Sox or Cubs. Anyway, I remember the last time I saw Phil play. It was 1948 and the Cubs split a doubleheader. Retrosheet tells me it was against the Phillies.

Phil was a straight shooter. My uncle told me about how earlier that season somebody asked him about the team's chances and Phil said "Not good." When asked why Phil replied, "Other teams have better players. And more of them."

Sounds right when you remember that Phil got fired as manager for predicting a second division finish for the Cubs in 1954. He wasn't into sugarcoating.
   11. Andere Richtingen Posted: July 21, 2006 at 01:59 PM (#2106409)
Cap Anson 1876-97
Frank Chance 98-1912
Hippo Vaughn 13-21
Gabby Hartnett 22-40
Phil Cavaretta 34-53
Ernie Banks 53-71
Rick Reuschel 72-81
Leon Durham 81-88
Mark Grace 88-2000
Kerry Wood 00-06

It breaks my heart that we'll probably have to find an 11th next year.


You don't have to:

Ryne Sandberg 82-94
Sammy Sosa 92-04
Carlos Zambrano 01-???
   12. Al Tiller the Hun Posted: July 21, 2006 at 04:40 PM (#2106579)
Andere, you just made my day.
   13. Misirlou cut his hair and moved to Rome Posted: July 21, 2006 at 04:51 PM (#2106587)
Ryne Sandberg 82-94
Sammy Sosa 92-04
Carlos Zambrano 01-???


Yeah, with Sosa taking you to 04, there are lots of options:

Prior
Murton
Cedeno
Ramirez
Lee
Neifi
   14. Al Tiller the Hun Posted: July 21, 2006 at 08:10 PM (#2106778)
And by typing the N-word, you, Miserlou, have ruined it again.

Ahh, the mercurial existence of the Cub fan.

You must be Registered and Logged In to post comments.

 

 

<< Back to main

BBTF Partner

Dynasty League Baseball

Support BBTF

donate

Thanks to
Dock Ellis
for his generous support.

Bookmarks

You must be logged in to view your Bookmarks.

Hot Topics

Syndicate

Page rendered in 0.3176 seconds
35 querie(s) executed