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   1. Hendry's Wad of Cash (UCCF) Posted: March 19, 2006 at 11:24 PM (#1907667)
Agreed with all of that. If Hendry thinks this is suddenly new criticism of Baker, then he must have had his head in the sand since at least late 2003 (and really, it was very obvious around August 2004 when the Cubs started their late season collapse amid the problems with the broadcasters, with Sosa, etc.).

Dusty's gotten a lot of wrath from a lot of people, particularly around here. Frankly I was glad to see it reach more mainstream outlets like sports radio and the Chicago papers, because that's the only thing Cubs management has historically understood - public outcry. Unfortunately, that same public is unwilling to put their money where their mouth is. So long as the Cubs keep drawing 3M+ every year, I don't have high expectations of a housecleaning at any level of management. Sadly, I've pretty much accepted that, barring a 65-win season or another outbreak of Dusty's yipyap in the media (people aren't going to be so quick to brush off some of his verbal nonsense now that the team's not the perennial contender everyone thought it would be), Dusty will probably stick around at least through 2008.
   2. Dan The Mediocre is one of "the rest" Posted: March 20, 2006 at 02:27 PM (#1908291)
I'm sick of people like Dusty Baker and Albert Belle managing the Cubs into the toilet.
   3. diehard4life Posted: March 20, 2006 at 10:22 PM (#1908982)
Dusty will probably stick around at least through 2008.

Oh man... All the players (OK the popular/successful ones) swear that Dusty is great to work for. Anyone else is removed.

We are all talking Jim and Dusty into the ground. I think the problem is the shoulda coulda woulda pitching staff. I am at my wits ends with our two young bucks. I want to beleive so bad that they are going to become Kerry/Mark of '03 again, but It maybe time to cut the ties. Here we are again with no rotation this year. I even heard Crusty deflect that saying how now that the bullpen is fix, he doesn't need 5. Well Is it fixed? Dempster is having issues. I'm hoping the new addtions will work, or are we going to flip flop them and run them out of town when they fail?

2005 Starters:
<u>Z</u>- The only sure thing we have. Seemingly indestructable.
<u>MadDog</u>- Crafty Veteran. Is this the year the hitters figure him out? Let's nope not.
<u>Glendon Rusch</u>- I'm a fan. I love the underdog, but he too has been sputtering. I hope he gets it together.
<u>Jerome Williams</u>-Coming along, We need him.

Probables:
<u>Wood</u>- X Factor is more like it. The poor guy is so brittle, but who really knows what is happening.
<u>Prior</u>- Hurt... Needs Dusty Dust injection. See also brittle.
<u>Angel Guzman</u>- The devil we don't know. Maybe.
<u>Rich Hill</u>-See also Guzman. Maybe.
<u>John Koronka</u>-Like a white Sergio Mitre, Sometimes great, sometimes not.
<u>Wade Miller</u>-My friend pointed this out after beer #8 or so Friday watching March Madness. Possibly the savior of the rotation? Maybe?

So we have a 2 man rotation with open audtions. Sweet. We have the top 8 almost starters in the league.

It takes Pitching, Defense, and Runs Scored to win. We have to try to have 2 of 3 to have a chance, but it seems like we are coming out of the gate aiming for the wild card again...
   4. Hendry's Wad of Cash (UCCF) Posted: March 20, 2006 at 10:55 PM (#1909016)
it seems like we are coming out of the gate aiming for the wild card again...

It seems like we're coming out of the gate hoping to finish .500.
   5. Pops Freshenmeyer Posted: March 21, 2006 at 12:02 AM (#1909070)
Dusty will probably stick around at least through 2008.

I think a 2006 fourth place finish will end in a house cleaning. The problem from my POV is that this won't include MacPhail because he's been adept at maximizing revenue streams - the part of his job for which he is directly accountable.

I'm not rooting for a fourth place finish but a part of me would prefer it to an 80 win campaign that results in extensions all around.
   6. SouthSideRyan Posted: March 21, 2006 at 12:10 AM (#1909079)
John Koronka-Like a white Sergio Mitre, Sometimes great, sometimes not.

When has John Koronka ever been great?

Pops, 80 wins would've gotten 4th place last year, I think it'll take a 5th place finish for a house cleaning. If they finish in 5th and there isn't major housecleaning I have no clue what I'm going to do. Finishing below the Pirates or Reds this year would be beyond pathetic.
   7. Pops Freshenmeyer Posted: March 21, 2006 at 12:11 AM (#1909085)
I'm operating on the assumption that the 'Stros will be significantly weaker this year.
   8. Andere Richtingen Posted: March 21, 2006 at 01:04 AM (#1909187)
It wouldn't be too difficult to dig up the comments from some of the people posting on this very page made exactly as Baker was running Prior through the meat grinder in '03. Armchair quarterbacking, sure, but 20/20 hindsight, no.

I think 80 wins is likely to cost Baker his job, probably Hendry too, if it comes with the Poisoned Circus that has been the Cubs the last couple of years. I consider some combination of these things likely in 2006. I think more likely than not, Baker will not be managing the Cubs in 2007.
   9. Pops Freshenmeyer Posted: March 21, 2006 at 01:15 AM (#1909209)
It wouldn't be too difficult to dig up the comments from some of the people posting on this very page made exactly as Baker was running Prior through the meat grinder in '03

Anyone have Jim Hendry's email :)

I'm sure we could come up with a few other told-you-sos while we're at it.
   10. diehard4life Posted: March 21, 2006 at 06:32 PM (#1910818)
I wonder if Hendry is calling Soriano again.

We need another 2nd basemen like we need another fragile pitcher.

He slept through the Willy Mo sweepstakes.

I'm actually excited about Pagan and Restovich. Dopirak is backup for the backup's backup too.

I'm hearing:

Hill, Ryu, Guzman, or Sean Marshall are fighting for the 5th starter spot while we try to get the horses healthy. What I saw in 3 days of ST made me feel pretty good about all those guys. Not Roger Clemens good, but they seem servicable.

Hill and Guzman are most likely, but Ryu was electric and Marshall is what everyone loves, a HUGE durable Farmboy throwing gas.

Marmol is also getting attention, he switched from catching to pitching only 3 years ago, but is emerging as a soon to be elevated guy. Not so good on the english. Him and Novoa just smile a lot.

Anyway, as one can tell, I'm getting a little fired up!

Go Cubs!
   11. Hendry's Wad of Cash (UCCF) Posted: March 22, 2006 at 07:10 AM (#1911800)
I ran across this on the SI website:

Rumors have circulated around the Cubs' camp recently that Tribune Co. could be positioning itself to sell the team. -- Chicago Sun-Times

I can't find an article, which makes me think maybe it will be in the Wednesday paper. Interesting news if it's true.
   12. diehard4life Posted: March 22, 2006 at 04:46 PM (#1912127)
Rumors have circulated around the Cubs' camp recently that Tribune Co. could be positioning itself to sell the team. -- Chicago Sun-Times

Old news, 2-3 years now they have been trying to do that. Kinda odd, you sell a sure money maker...Personally, I'd welcome someone with some passion for Baseball buying the team. A zealot like Mark Cuban or something.

Too bad the Cubs couldn't become public like the Packers. I think that is verboten by MLB.

The other way to look at it is the Sun Times, WSCR, and Sox are so damn excited they might piss themselves. They beleive they are gonna repeat and are looking to rub our noses in it. The radio and paper have been going out of their way to bolster anything negative they can get their mitts on. The band wagon is rolling.
   13. Hendry's Wad of Cash (UCCF) Posted: March 22, 2006 at 05:04 PM (#1912154)
Too bad the Cubs couldn't become public like the Packers. I think that is verboten by MLB.

With this fan base, they could sell shares for pretty much whatever they wanted. I'd buy some, definitely, if only to frame the certificate and hang it on my wall.
   14. Pops Freshenmeyer Posted: March 22, 2006 at 11:14 PM (#1912797)
I think that is verboten by MLB.

I think the Padres tried to do this in the 90's

The issue might be the opening of a teams' books and, theoretically following this, the right of the shareholders to be privy to a lot of now restricted MLB information.
   15. Andere Richtingen Posted: March 23, 2006 at 12:45 AM (#1912877)
Rumors have circulated around the Cubs' camp recently that Tribune Co. could be positioning itself to sell the team. -- Chicago Sun-Times

Old news, 2-3 years now they have been trying to do that.


I've only been hearing it for the last several months, and only an off mention here and there.

Kinda odd, you sell a sure money maker.

Selling it nets them several hundred million in cash, which they need right now pretty desperately.
   16. mjs Posted: March 24, 2006 at 05:09 AM (#1915471)
If no one minds, I have a small question : what is the general consensus, if any, about what the Cubs should be doing? Should they be trying to compete this year, with a hopefully healthy Prior and Zambrano, should they try to build for the future, or should they just get a plan and stick with it?

I've been trying to follow the Cubs recently, and it seems like they have a team that could compete, but keep trying to sabotage that.

I'm not trying to be snarky or anything, I'm just trying to get a better understanding from Cubs fans (though I did become a Cubs fan one day in St. Louis when a cute brunette sat next to me, wearing a Grace jersey).
   17. Hendry's Wad of Cash (UCCF) Posted: March 25, 2006 at 02:41 PM (#1917689)
Speaking of the Twilight Zone:

Baker unphased by predictions

Apparently the experts have started weighing in, and they're putting the Cubs 4th.

There's also a story on Jerry Hariston suggesting that he's won the second base job (the article calls Walker the likely "loser" in the second base lottery). I see it's a couple of days old, but I don't think I ever saw it mentioned here.
   18. Pops Freshenmeyer Posted: March 25, 2006 at 04:49 PM (#1917756)
There's also a story on Jerry Hariston suggesting that he's won the second base job

Better than Perez at least...
   19. Dr. Vaux Posted: March 26, 2006 at 06:52 AM (#1918762)
At least Cub fans can look forward to the White Sox's inevitable disappointing season. Even if they win in the high 80s and go down to the wire with the Indians and/or Twins, it will be perceived as underachievement by the media, and that's their upside.
   20. Hendry's Wad of Cash (UCCF) Posted: March 26, 2006 at 04:49 PM (#1919033)
Today's Sun-Times Offering

Nice roundup of things that remain unsettled going into the last week of ST -

Trade Walker?
What to do with Grissom?
Lee's extension
Who's the fifth starter?
Who fills the last two spots in the bullpen?

I think they will move Walker, but they'll get a terrible deal in return. It's going to be the 2006 version of the Sosa trade, where they've talked themselves into it and feel like they need to do it. I also think, in the end, Grissom goes north and Restovich ends up in Iowa. There's no dustier Dusty guy than Grissom, and balky hamstring or not he's off the charts on veteran presence and leadership. I could see Dusty convincing Hendry that's worth $800K.

The rest of it... meh. They'll sign Lee at some point. The fifth starter won't be an issue until mid-April, and whoever gets those back of the bullpen slots will likely be very underused as Dusty puts his faith in the veterans 95% of the time. So I'm not sure it matters whether it's Wuertz, Ryu, or Wellemeyer (except that if it's not Wellemeyer he'll be gone).

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