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   1. Fred Garvin is dead to Mug Posted: November 19, 2005 at 12:23 AM (#1738019)
I don't mean to threadjack so quickly out of the gate, but we've already got about 4 Eyre threads going so I think it's ok.

What I want to mention is the moves today to set the 40-man roster. The Cubs added to the 40-man:

Brian Dopirak, 1b
Scott Moore, 3b
Felix Pie, cf
Jose Reyes, c
Carlos Marmol, rhp
Sean Marshall, lhp
Ricky Nolasco, rhp
Jae Kuk Ryu, rhp

and outrighted:

Mike Fontenot, 2b
Richard Lewis, 2b
Russ Rohlicek, lhp

and designated Adam Greenberg, of for assignment (meaning they have 10 days to sign him to a minor league deal, trade him, or release him). This puts them at a roster level quite close to 40, by my understanding. Two notable omissions were Brandon Sing and Bobby Brownlie.

Frankly, I don't understand the need to have a 4th catcher on the 40-man and don't see any reason for them to add Jose Reyes. What gets me even more, though, is the Neifi situation.

As Christina Kahrl pointed out in BPro today, if the Cubs were planning on pushing the boundary of their 40-man roster, why did they need to sign Neifi last week? Why couldn't they have held off for a while? I can't imagine that Neifi's phone was ringing off the hook?

Furthermore, why on earth didn't they release Jose Macias? They can't be planning on renewing his contract/offering arbitration -- could they?

If these shenanigans result in the loss of Sing or Brownlie, it won't be as bad as the Andy Sisco loss, but it's still a bad signal, particularly if it leads to keeping Macias.
   2. Luke Jasenosky Posted: November 19, 2005 at 12:34 AM (#1738038)
Great points and you beat me to it as I planned to get to these issues tomorrow. Kahrl's point about Neifi is astute, and the Cubs' management of the 40-man roster is a long-time source of mystery. That Macias is still in the vicinity is a joke, and the 40-man including 4 backstops is ridiculous. These are terrible choices and, as you say, they have a legitimate chance of biting the Cubs in the ass.
   3. Fred Garvin is dead to Mug Posted: November 19, 2005 at 12:39 AM (#1738042)
We're pretty quick -- after I posted, I caught the on-going discussion in the "obliviousness" thread. :-)
   4. Moses Taylor loves a good maim Posted: November 19, 2005 at 12:40 AM (#1738044)
These are terrible choices and, as you say, they have a legitimate chance of biting the Cubs in the ass. AGAIN.

Honestly, roster management might be Hendry's biggest weakness. I'm not talking about the shitty signings, but the way the callups and all that nonsense works.

There's several posts about this in the last thread on this blog (and Sox one).
   5. Dusty's Least Favorite Base-Clogger (Roy Hobbs) Posted: November 19, 2005 at 02:06 AM (#1738113)
This just confirms that Hendry, Baker and the rest of the "braintrust" are happy with Macias' production. Look for Macias to get another raise this year to $1 million.

It's also surprising that Jerry Hairston, who makes about $2 million is still around. He's passable at 2B in a pinch, but is not OF material for a major league team. He certainly doesn't have any trade value either, now that Sammy Sosa is not on the block.

If he's got no trade value and he can't produce enough to play regularly, that's $2 million and yet another valuable 25-man roster spot that needs to be upgraded.
   6. Andere Richtingen Posted: November 19, 2005 at 02:42 PM (#1738475)
This just confirms that Hendry, Baker and the rest of the "braintrust" are happy with Macias' production.

I don't think they look at Macias in terms of production, I think they look at him in terms of a skill set. I agree that that's a mistake.
   7. SouthSideRyan Posted: November 19, 2005 at 03:18 PM (#1738492)
The 40 man is at 41 right now, so somebody's gotta go before Rule 5, I'm guessing it's Macias. Kahrl's point about Neifi makes no sense. The spot for Neifi has to be there, so if you sign him after rule 5 you wind up waiving somebody you just added to the roster, and they go for free without the need to stay on the 25 man roster.

Jose Reyes makes absolutely no sense. I defended the Soto rostering to the death last year because I wanted a 3rd catcher on the 40 man, but a 4th catcher who had roughly no chance of being selected it awful.

I also see very few scenarios in which Brian Dopriak gets taken and sticks for a season. Same with Moore, though I'm a big Moore fan so I forgive that one more easily due to biases.

I thought Ryu was on Hendry's #### list so I'm pleasantly surprised to see him rostered.
   8. Fred Garvin is dead to Mug Posted: November 19, 2005 at 05:18 PM (#1738607)
Here's the 40-man roster -- I don't know who we were counting that isn't here:

<u>Pitchers (24)</u>
Aardsma
Dempster
Eyre
Guzman
Hill
Koronka
Maddux
Marmol
Marshall
Mitre
Nolasco
Novoa
Ohman
Pinto
Prior
Rusch
Ryu
Van Buren
Wellemeyer
Williams
Williamson
Wood
Wuertz
Zambrano

<u>Catchers (4)</u>
Barrett
Blanco
Reyes
Soto

<u>Infielders (9)</u>Cedeno
Dopirak
Hairston
Lee
Macias
Perez
Ramirez
Theriot
Walker

<u>Outfielders (3)</u>Murton
Patterson
Pie
   9. covelli chris p Posted: November 19, 2005 at 05:59 PM (#1738655)
As Christina Kahrl pointed out in BPro today, if the Cubs were planning on pushing the boundary of their 40-man roster, why did they need to sign Neifi last week? Why couldn't they have held off for a while? I can't imagine that Neifi's phone was ringing off the hook?

if they wait to sign neifi, then add some scrub to the 40 man that can't hack it in the majors anyway, then sign neifi, i believe they would have to waive the guy. then a team could claim him on waivers and wouldn't have to abide by the rules of the rule 5. i think htat's the way this stuff works.
   10. SouthSideRyan Posted: November 19, 2005 at 06:32 PM (#1738684)
You nailed it Chris, Kahrl's way off base.

And Moore is missing from the cubs.com list djf.
   11. Fred Garvin is dead to Mug Posted: November 19, 2005 at 06:38 PM (#1738691)
And Moore is missing from the cubs.com list djf.

That's weird. I took the list from the Cubs site, whose Transactions log includes Moore. They had until midnight to work it out, though, so perhaps someone was dropped and we don't know it.
   12. Fred Garvin is dead to Mug Posted: November 19, 2005 at 06:40 PM (#1738694)
I might have been misparaphrasing Kahrl. Here was a snippet of her comment (discussing the Leicester deal):

As for the decision to avoid getting to know the kids, because it's easier to board them in Texas and send postcards, dumping Leicester is an obvious bit of 40-man roster tweaking. However, beyond elaborate compensation gestures to cover up Dusty's feelings of bullpen inadequacy, I'm more than a little mortified that the Cubs have essentially disposed of a player because they felt a desperate, overriding need to avoid a gentleman's agreement with Neifi Perez. They could have let Perez know they'd be happy to sign him after the Rule 5 draft, but instead, they just had to have him, because god only knows what you'd do if you didn't have Neifi locked up instead of helping you win games by playing for somebody else.
   13. SouthSideRyan Posted: November 19, 2005 at 07:51 PM (#1738737)
Nope, you had it summed up pretty well and she's wrong. The roster rules are in place to prevent those kind of shenanigans so that you can't have prospects sitting on the 40 man just so they can be hidden there for Rule 5. If the Cubs kept Leicester(the very definition of fungible, nevermind that he was out of options on top of it all) and then signed Neifi after Rule 5 somebody would've had to go to make room for Neifi, and they would be had for free. Unless she believes that somehow Leicester would get more value in the days following Rule 5 compared to now, then her argument is severely flawed.

It's the same thing as people arguing on here last year that Sisco was lost to Rule 5 so that Neifi could have a spot. It was flawed; the Cubs were going to have a backup SS last year no matter what and odds were Sisco wasn't taking that spot. Neifi had nothing to do with Sisco last year, and assuming Hendry was bringing Neifi back this year, he has nothing to do with trading Leicester.
   14. Psychedelic Red Pants Posted: November 19, 2005 at 08:36 PM (#1738760)
I also see very few scenarios in which Brian Dopriak gets taken and sticks for a season. Same with Moore, though I'm a big Moore fan so I forgive that one more easily due to biases.

I'm a bit surprised that Moore is unprotected. He had a nice season in the FSL. I could see a hopeless team taking a flyer on him, at least in the 2nd rule-5 round.
   15. SouthSideRyan Posted: November 19, 2005 at 09:11 PM (#1738785)
Moore is protected, the cubs.com roster page just wasn't updated appropriately.
   16. Meatwad Posted: November 25, 2005 at 08:18 PM (#1746387)
whast the hell is going oin with the cubs?
   17. LSR Posted: November 28, 2005 at 08:36 AM (#1749392)
Sorry to jump in so late ...

"The roster rules are in place to prevent those kind of shenanigans so that you can't have prospects sitting on the 40 man just so they can be hidden there for Rule 5. If the Cubs kept Leicester(the very definition of fungible, nevermind that he was out of options on top of it all) and then signed Neifi after Rule 5 somebody would've had to go to make room for Neifi, and they would be had for free."

Now let me see if I understand this correctly. The Cubs currently have 3 OFers on the 40 man roster: Patterson, Murton and Pie (all three of which by the way spent all or part of the 2005 season in the minors - what a confidence builder for Dusty!). If we assume that even the Cubs won't go to war with less than 4 OFers then at least one other member of the current 40 Man must be let go for nothing in order to have at least one backup. If they want two backups, then 2 must go.

Hmmmm .... Now if Hendry doesn't want Felix to turn into the second coming of Corey it'd be a good idea for him to at least start the year in AAA and get some real seasoning before before replacing Corey in CF. The guy that replaces Felix on the 25 man roster would of course have to be on the 40 man roster as well. That scenario brings us to at least 2 and maybe three of the current players on the 40 man roster that would have to be dumped for nothing.

So what (if anything) is Hendry planning to do?

The likely case:

Hendry is looking at Hairston and Macias as his other two outfielders. Felix will start the season on the Cubs bench. On July 20 Dusty will notice that Hairston and Macias's combined OPS is half that of Carlos Zambrano's and he will grudgingly give Felix two starts in a row to show what he's worth. Pie will hit a triple and a single in 9 ABs with 2 BBs and promptly be returned along with his paltry .222 BA to the bench. Dusty will explain sagaciously that rookies that start poorly should be brought along slowly. At the same time he will bench Murton in favor of the Hairston/Macias combo. He will then explain sagaciously that even though Murton had been batting a respectable .310/.389/.485, the team wasn't winning and he had to do something to shake up the team's chemistry. But Murton will sit only 3 games because on July 27 the Cubs will announce that Patterson and $2M in cash have been traded to the Marlins for their starting ball girl and a backup trainer. The Cubs will finish the year with only Murton, Hairston, Macias and Pie on the 40 man roster - the ball girl will take Patterson's place. The backup trainer will be designated for assignment and later traded to the Cubs (Don't know how they'll swing a deal with themselves, but come on, look at our pitchers! What we really need to improve is the medical staff).

The unlikely case:

Hendry is planning on trading Patterson, a pitcher and Soto for a corner outfielder and a piece of spare change. The outfielder will take Patterson's spot and Soto's and the pitcher's will be available for a FA CF (Damon?) and a warm body to keep Hairston company on the bench. Macias and the piece of spare change will be dumped. Pie won't be called up until late August.

The real case:

Hendry hasn't noticed that there's an issue.
   18. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: November 28, 2005 at 08:46 AM (#1749405)
This isn't really relevant to this discussion but why didn't the Cubs re-sign Moises Alou last year?
   19. Fred Garvin is dead to Mug Posted: November 28, 2005 at 01:52 PM (#1749556)
Hmmmm .... Now if Hendry doesn't want Felix to turn into the second coming of Corey it'd be a good idea for him to at least start the year in AAA and get some real seasoning before before replacing Corey in CF. The guy that replaces Felix on the 25 man roster would of course have to be on the 40 man roster as well. That scenario brings us to at least 2 and maybe three of the current players on the 40 man roster that would have to be dumped for nothing.

Pie isn't on the 25 man roster; only the 40 man. It's a bit of a moot point at the moment, though.

Either way, though, these players won't be "dumped for nothing" -- whomever gets pushed out will be put on waivers (either by being outrighted or DFA'd). They won't necessarily be released.


This isn't really relevant to this discussion but why didn't the Cubs re-sign Moises Alou last year?

A few reasons, some monetary (I don't think the Cubs were looking to spend the kind of money it would have taken to keep him, particularly when they had not yet dealt Sosa), others based on the roster (they were planning to go with the Hollandsworth/Dubois tandem) or perhaps personal (in the '04 season, Alou acted like a jerk).
   20. Moses Taylor loves a good maim Posted: November 28, 2005 at 03:03 PM (#1749613)
in the '04 season, Alou acted like a jerk

Quite the understatement, I'd say.
   21. Fred Garvin is dead to Mug Posted: November 28, 2005 at 03:09 PM (#1749621)
I wanted to use a stronger word, but was wary of BTF standards and practices.
   22. SouthSideRyan Posted: November 28, 2005 at 06:34 PM (#1749981)
I can't complain about Alou not being brought back, as I, and I'd guess most of the BTF Cub contingent had no desire to bring him back in '05. His home/road splits were ludicrous, and he seemed prime to fall off of a cliff.

And yeah, he was a huge jagoff.
   23. The Balls of Summer Posted: November 28, 2005 at 07:35 PM (#1750031)
His home/road splits were ludicrous, and he seemed prime to fall off of a cliff.


Yet another lesson in how not to use home/road splits.
   24. SouthSideRyan Posted: November 28, 2005 at 09:18 PM (#1750212)
Alou hit more home runs in '04 than he did in '02 and '03 combined, based largely on home #s that he'd never come close to in any previous year, all while putting up abysmal #s in half of his games. He was also entering his age 38 season. That wasn't prime to fall off of a cliff?

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