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Gonfalon Cubs — Cubs Baseball for Thinking Fans Friday, October 21, 2016The Long WaitNo, not THAT one. I’m talking about the long wait until 7:08pm tomorrow. These waits with the offday in between are just so, so long. I already spend so much overthinking things, now I have another 24 or so hours to question and re-question everything I think I’ve convinced myself to think to feel. Anyhow, the Cubs are in position to clinch the pennant at home. It’s a big moment, and as much as I try, it’s impossible to ignore history. Luckily, history doesn’t really matter; or it doesn’t matter in how the game will play out. There’s going to be so much talk about what happened last time, and any little play that might be similar is going to be compared to then. It’s going to be hard to ignore all of that sort of nonsense. But like I’ve been saying all year, this team isn’t those teams; these players, aren’t those players. Now isn’t then. I don’t like speculating or trying to project what the players are thinking or feeling. So this next bit is out of character, but thinking about it does make me feel a little better. If there’s any evidence - a big *if* - of either team feeling the pressure here, or letting the pressure affect them, it sure doesn’t appear to be the Cubs. It was a silly, pointless moment, but last night there was a pop-up Rizzo caught, and Baez got a little too close, jokingly. Rizzo laughed and threw the ball of Baez. It likely means absolutely nothing, but it was a neat little exchange (that still made everyone a little nervous), but showed at least how those two were feeling. At the same time, I feel like pressure is getting to the Dodgers. They’re making a lot of little mistakes, things that seem out of character; Roberts appears to be overthinking -the IBBs in game 1, pulling Maeda before Lester’s AB, all the empty talk about bunting and running on Lester that led nowhere. Those aren’t the moves of a guy who feels like he’s in control as much as a guy who wants you to think he’s in control. Obviously, most of that paragraph is probably just useless bullshit. It would also be completely irrelevant if Kershaw comes out and is as dominant tomorrow as he was in game 2. On the other hand, I think the Cubs were starting to get to him. He only threw 84 pitches, but at the end he looked like he’d thrown more. Last night Smoltz talked about the mental stress on Lester, and how he probably felt like he’d thrown a lot more pitches. The Cubs couldn’t touch Kershaw early, but the end of the game they’d hit a bunch of rockets off him; Baez’s last flyout was the hardest hit ball of that entire game. I’m not going to predict the Cubs are going to knock Kershaw around, but I feel like they’ll look less helpless against him. I have faith in Hendricks, and the defense, and there really hasn’t been a lot from the Dodgers’ offense this series to scare me. Sure, I’m a little worried about Chapman, and maybe Rondon and Strop, but for the most part Maddon has put people in the best situations to succeed possible. It’s probably going to be another cool, wind blowing in sort of night. The Cubs offense can, and will, scratch enough out baserunners that they won’t need to count on the big home run, but they still could hit one. Here’s to a mostly stressless 34 hours or so until gametime… Moses Taylor loves a good maim
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With the exception of Jansen, we've hit pretty well against this Dodger bullpen. We need to get in there as early as possible.
That's from one of the other articles, and kind of reinforces what I was trying to say in post 1.
Agreed, but to Kershaw's credit, he doesn't make that easy. He pounds the zone so much, not only do you not get walks you just don't see many balls.
I had the same thought. For game 6, it looks like you pay $500 to try and find a spot where the ushers let you stand, hoping no one is standing in front of you. But also knowing you can't move the entire time.
I'm still considering it too...
When someone brought up 2003 in last night's chatter, I was surprised it didn't elicit any knots in my stomach. It's a different team. They could very well still fall short but I just don't get a whiff of panic or pressure from this team. Even when the bats were in the midst of their 20+ inning hibernation, it sure looked like they were keeping the panic/stress in check. Sure - they were perhaps getting a bit out of their game, but of course - Russ and Rizz have come roaring back in the last two games, so whatever depths of stress were felt near the end of game 3 - they sure didn't have a problem carrying it like a millstone around their necks.
So hey, 2003... Nazi Child Molester in '84... whatever. Really doesn't faze me because none of it seems to faze this team.
The Cubs have scored 18 runs in the last two games. Tough to keep that going against Kershaw, but the back of my mind worrying about the lack of offense - except when timely needed late - is no longer something that concerns me. The bats are back.
Let's get it done.
Here's hoping I get a refund on Game 7.
Obviously, you can wander around (in a somewhat limited fashion, of course... you can't exactly walk up and down the aisles) - but yeah, you're basically standing against the back rails around the diamond. The SRO sections are pretty clearly marked -- but it's basically that back railing in between the 100 and 200 sections. You actually get not-terrible views of the field (you're technically close than people in the 200 level seats), but you have virtually no sight lines on flyballs. Anything in the air, and you're either watching the fielders/crowd reaction or looking up at the monitors.
The tough part - if you get a single ticket - is you need to get friendly with people standing around you... obviously - concessions and bathroom, etc - so leaving your spot means you may very well need to find another spot. People in my experience were really good about it - at least in the area I was in... you didn't have lots of people trying to save 5 spots, etc. The delirium of it all makes people a lot more friendly about that sort of stuff.
On one level, it seems like a lot of money to spend to have a not great view of the game... but, well.. Cubs... possibly clinching their first pennant since '45. I can think of a lot of stupider things I've spent too much money on.
I'm kinda kicking myself -- I think I'm going to do an SRO, too -- you could actually find bleacher tix in the 350 range as late before last night.
Just sayin'.
I'm still considering it too...
Is it really going to be $500(ish)? I will save my bullets for the hypothetical next series then.
EDIT: Oh, they are on stubhub right now? I thought they only did it the morning of the game. I am old.
That's actually how Ron Cey became my favorite player as a kid -- he homered in the first three Cubs games I ever attended... plus - I was told as a kid that I looked like I waddled when I ran.
So, Cubs fans: Which drought is more important to break? 1945 or 1908? I mean to ask, if the Cubs win the pennant and lose the World Series, will you be satisfied with the season? Personally, I would think so. You break a long drought, you play in the World Series. I'm sure no one would be happy to lose the Series but you must still feel pretty good, no?
(Full disclosure, I'm a Braves fan and 1991 is still one of my favorite seasons of all time. I didn't get disappointed about losing the World Series until 1992. And then many years thereafter. But 1991 was special even if it ended badly).
As to actual strategy, sure try to make Kershaw work. But, as stated above, he throws strikes. Hitting behind in the count is also not good against him. I think I'd tend not to tell everyone to take and might even tell the first 3 to take their hacks in the first inning to make Kershaw think he needs to nibble more.
So, I'm clearly rooting for the Cubs and very envious of those of you who will be on hand. Good luck.
Take out the back riding monkey fully and completely.
One step at a time, though. Get the pennant, celebrate that, and then move on to the last peak.
Quite different than what you guys have gone through.
Yeah, but at least he was protected by Howie Kendrick.
Weeks, where are your seats?
They were up 3-1 in that series, in fact; Beckett threw a 2-hit shutout at them in game 5 in Florida before the horror show of Games 6 and 7 went down.
So, this'll be the second NLCS game 6 I've attended; I feel confident in saying this one will turn out better than the first. Further the affiant sayeth not...
The music that played over the clips of the 84 Cubs clinching the old NL East was Prince's Let's Go Crazy... and that's the song I think I'm going to playing on continuous loop for the next ~30 hours.
It's going to be a long day.
I'll just have him put it on his card and then stiff him since he would be costing me the opportunity to see the Cubs clinch the WS in person by getting me to skip game 6.
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I see some standing room for $360 now. The cheapest non-SRO ticket I see is section 538, row 7, for $440. Cheapest bleacher is section 311, $498.
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I won lottery to buy single game tickets, too. Couldn't get any for NLDS, got through for NLCS and got 2 for game 1. So I will be in the lottery again for the next round and can get 2 tickets (there's a limit of 4 total through this lottery), so hopefully they win and I can start worry about getting through for that. It was $125 face value (plus another $20ish BS fees) for section 525. I'm sure it'll be a bit more next round, and there's no stopping me for splurging for that. The decision is whether or not to splurge now...
That's your listing, isn't it?
I'm not him, but he has seats 1/2.
Moses has my seats correct. Party in 528!
EDIT: And I'm talking the respectable Goose Islands, not the Bud Lights.
I noticed that, too, but don't think anyone mentioned it in the chatter.
We hear so much about youth/inexperience being a detriment, but sometimes, it seems to have its advantages. I mean, I was in my first semester of college when the 03 NLCS went down and a lot of these guys make ME feel old. Addison Russell was 9! Javy Baez was 10! Kris Bryant was 11! Anthony Rizzo was 14! David Ross was 60!
Point is, most of these guys were children when the Bartman game happened. No, they aren't oblivious to that situation and the Cubs' history. I just don't think they care/think about it nearly as much as most of us do.
I'm in 527, row 2.
Count me in on the party .... Someone BBTF mail me and we can trade info.
EDIT: Paydirt! Let's gooooooooooo Cubs.
But we made it back again. With the best team in my life, with the most fun group of players I have experienced. It's been a lot of fun. #8 talks about confidence. Sure, I have faith in this team. The players have shown a lot of talent and heart.
But I was very confident in 2003, also. In many ways the Cubs were in a much more favorable situation then. Unlike in 2016, they were able to pitch their top two starters in Wrigley. And they didn't have to face a Kershaw or even a Rich Hill. They had to beat Carl Freakin' Pavano and Mark Redman.
Fun facts: Carl Pavano's career ERA is two full run's below Kershaw's. Pavano had an ERA+ of 98 in 2003, Kershaw put up a 230 this year. They've pitched almost the same number of innings in their career. Pavano gave up 450 more runs than Kershaw has.
More fun facts: Mark Redman's career ERA+ is 93, worse than Pavano. He's a whole half-run worse than Rich Hill has been, but Hill has had an up-and-down career. Redman had a career year in 2003, with an ERA+ of 117. Hill this year put up a 214.
So the Cubs might win, or lose, or the baseball gods might make another appearance, and I might have a new worst day of my life this weekend.
Let's spare my heart, please.
Let's Go Cubs!
I'm gonna reach out to some friends and see if I can scare up someone else willing to do the deed, if not - I see a number of singles a couple sections over in 530 at the same price, so I think I'll join you fellas.
EDIT: Paydirt! Let's gooooooooooo Cubs.
Nice. I was trying to comment on your being victimized by the inferior Ohio Valley interweb service, but my own Ohio Valley interwebs weren't allowing me to connect for a few minutes there.
Done.
I've been saying this to no avail all postseason but pitching matchups are way overrated. For a single game it just doesn't matter that much. Great pitchers commonly have bad playoff games and nobodies occasionally throw gems. It's all part of the "crapshoot" style. Sure, if you let me choose, I'd rather face peak Pavano than peak Kershaw. But I'd rather face Kershaw having a bad night than Pavano having one of his best. And you just don't know what you're going to get. And it isn't like the Cubs are pitching AAA-filler.
Definitely down for that... I just saw your e-mail -- I can shot over a chase quikpay with the total. I'm cool with either
528, row 3, seats 5 & 6...
Elroy's beer bill grows larger!
Gonna be a long day tomorrow... tailgating in the AM in Evanston, then breathlessly counting the hours till evening.
Spot to meet up pre-game?
BTW - for anyone driving in, if anyone wants to try street parking in the neighborhood -- I've got a sheet and a half left of zone 383 daily stickers that expire in 2 months anyway. While I'll be out of pocket in the AM until early afternoon - the zone ticketing doesn't start till 6 PM, so I'm happy to provide a sticker to anyone who needs one.
Amen, brother!
Let the New Yorkers have their softball... we'll do our meetups in the playoffs!
It's usually 2 hours before start when gates open, right?
I didn't click, but I assume that's the game where Bryant and Szczur homered off Kershaw. I think I remember reading that Bryant's was the only home run Kershaw's ever allowed on a curveball? (Or maybe it was just the only one last year. Whatever.)
Fine with trying further west on southport, too. Or maybe Guthries on Addison, a block west of racine?
I suspect I'll be back in the neighborhood by 3ish, so whatever time works for me.
Ever since I spent some time in PR (played catch with a few kids there as well although basketball seems more popular now) I try and follow PR born players a bit more. Absolutely loving Baez. Hopefully his fame keep the youth in PR into baseball, the island has such a rich history of players.
In my experience with crowded games, this is the best option, though, again, LCS.
Also, it's weird that some people pronounce the word as "thee" and some pronounce it as "thuh". It's a ####### three-letter word, probably the most common word in the English language, let's get on the same ####### page here, people.
No, I don't have anything meaningful to contribute to this conversation. I hate off days, especially when things are going well.
It's oodles of fun to respond to a self-identifying Buckeye with "Oh Really? Which one? Miami of Ohio? Kent State? Bowling Green?"
I'm still considering it too...
If you get SRO in the bleachers, I think you can get there early and get a spot at the bar at the top of the CF bleachers, under the scoreboard. A pretty decent view. When I was there for the NLDS games virtually no one was up there 60-90 min before game start, so it would have been easy to claim a spot. Who knows if you can come and go though.
This might sound dumb, but I was surprised how ridiculously full the bars were before Game 2 of the NLDS. Wrigleyville North at Sheffield and Byron was not too bad. A very divey place with a fairly low for Wrigleyville douche factor, but not a great beer selection, but they had a couple of Goose Island selections on tap and it did the job for me.
Also, I met Charles S and crew at a place called Dive Bar on Halsted between Cornelia and Newport before NLDS game 1; small place but few people there. The food was actually pretty good; similarly limited beer options but they also had Goose Island. Pregaming in Boystown is probably a smart plan if you really want to minimize the douche factor.
There are some interesting looking places now on Clark south of Addison with sprawling indoor/outdoor layouts, but it was prime ######### territory.
Anyway, you guys are killing me with this conversation. I'm not a Cub fan and I'd love to be there. But it's your party, I'm over a thousand miles away and I have plans Saturday night. Have fun. I'll be looking for you all on screen.
My preference would be Guthrie's - mainly because of the excellent beer list - but no idea how packed it will be and when (and Guthries gets pretty miserable if it's packed... not so much the clientele, but it's just not built for crowds).
Always liked that place... and Baby Atlas!
Sheffields is somewhat bro-ish, sure - and probably crowded, but it's a pretty big space (and a good beer list).
It's been quite a few years since I've been in it -- but the old Laundry Ball/Newport Bar & Grill on Newport, just around the corner from Southport might escape the crowds because there's a salon or somesuch fronting ON southport, so if you don't know it's there, it doesn't draw in a lot of foot traffic. Not sure if it's got any IFS affiliations.
The L&L Tavern most certainly will not be packed! Fairly certain its regular do not like sunlight.
EDIT: Scratch Newport... the interwebs inform it has recently closed. Sigh.
That place terrifies me.
Bar on Buena definitely works for me...
Oh, you just say that because it's a reflection of the darkest, most despairing part of the human soul.
My bad news from the lottos arrived the day after the clinchers... so hopefully - you and me both will know Sunday if we're paying face value or selling a kidney.
Bar on Buena certainly works for me, and as it's a 3 block walk - times immaterial to me... I expect to be back in the hood around 3ish, so I'm also happy to take point on recon, too but I'll check back in on any decisions.
Primer mail appears to be working and Moses has all my info, so see/meet some of you tomorrow, expect and have no doubts the rest of you will do the chatter proud, and GO CUBS!
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