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   1. John DiFool2 Posted: October 03, 2008 at 02:38 PM (#2966106)
We came back, twice in 4 years when we looked dead in the water. You can too.
   2. Walks Clog Up the Bases Posted: October 03, 2008 at 03:00 PM (#2966154)
I hate to throw in the towel, but last night was one of the more painful, embarrassing evenings I've had as a Cubs fan. It suddenly seems like it's en vogue to just kick this team while it's down. I got so many texts about the Dodgers winning. I saw so many people clapping for the Dodgers in the bar (I live in god damn Michigan). It was just like some awful dream. Seeing the usually sure-handed DeRosa and Lee botch plays high school players would've made. Having to realize that Soriano is the most expensive postseason singles hitter you could have. Having the patient approach the Cubs utilized all season completely revert to the Dusty Baker era. Yes, we can give credit to LA, but let's not act like the Cubs haven't beaten themselves the last two nights. It's just a mess and I could ramble on and on about it.

After watching the last 2 nights, I'm almost glad the Cubs are on the cusp of elimination. It's reminded me of all the better ways I can spend my time, and to be thankful my life isn't dependent on the success of these jokers. Good riddance.


I won't be this harsh, but the second sentence is something I thought of, too. We're all upset about the Cubs laying a total dud in the playoffs and securing what looks to be another season of futility. But here's what got me through the night:

Next Friday will mark the two-year anniversary of the night I came home to find my mom lying on her bed, incomprehensible and on the verge of passing out. We later found out she had suffered a ruptured brain aneurysm during the two hours I had been gone. During her life, she had put up with far too much nonsense out of me because of the Cubs. Temper tantrums as a kid, broken things as I got older, sour moods the rest of the day after certain losses. She took it all in stride, even though she had every right to tell me off and put me in my place.

Later that night, our family gathered around her as a priest read her her last rites. A neurosurgeon performed an emergency procedure to see if there was anything he could do. There was. She lived through the night and though she remained in a medically induced coma for the next several weeks, we were told she would likely survive. Over the next several months, I had to adjust to seeing an intellectual woman I had known to read several books a week and beautifully play the piano relearn how to do things such as read and walk.

It was a taxing several months, but she continued to make great progress in her rehab. She was able to move into her own apartment in February 2007. Two months later, she was allowed to drive again. Today, she suffers from occasional short-term memory issues, but other than that, shows no ill effects of the aneurysm. She's having the time of her life now, free of work and able to do all the things she never had time to do before.

Last night, I was able to call her and tell her that the Cubs had lost. But I had realized that it meant more that I was able to call her and tell her this. I'll get as upset as anyone over Cub losses around here. But I try to never lose focus that ultimately, this is just a game. And even though it's a source of great anguish, there are things outside of baseball that are still more important and should be the source of great thanks.

We'll see what happens in Game 3. Either way, life will go on.
   3. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: October 03, 2008 at 05:04 PM (#2966341)
I just realized that the Cubs fielded for the cycle last night (E3,E4,E5,E6)
   4. phredbird Posted: October 03, 2008 at 05:27 PM (#2966367)
boy, walks, you're taking all the fun out of this. but my hat's off to you for your bracing perspective. i guess i'd give about anything to be able to talk to my mom about how i got to see the cardinals play this year in L.A.
   5. Slivers of Maranville descends into chaos (SdeB) Posted: October 03, 2008 at 11:52 PM (#2966596)
I know from doomed, and the Cubs had the black cloud of disaster over them from the top of the first last night. There's that moment when you can sense that the gods have descended from Mount Olympus to throw their weight on the scales of human endeavor, and that was such a moment. It sucks to see the best Cubs team of my lifetime go down like this, but it felt exactly the same way in 1989. I just wish they would put up a fight.

Harden's new to the team, so there's a faint chance he'll have escaped the hoodoo and will be able to resuscitate the Cubs, but I'm not couting on it.

I'll still root for the Cubs, though I wish there were a few fewer stomach-punch moments.
   6. fatchef Posted: October 04, 2008 at 12:52 PM (#2967711)
As a lifelong die-hard Cubs fan, I go all the way back to 69 having to deal with dissapointment. There are a lot more older fans than me that are hurting a lot worse. Bottom line is that the older you are the more ups and downs (mostly downs)you've experienced. The expectations in Chicago are so strong it's almost surreal. You turn on the TV and see Pep Rallys with the likes of Ernie Banks, Ferguson Jenkins, and Billy Williams gracing the deius. Ron Santo is the anaylst for the radio. Crane Kenney who is now chairman of the Tribune Company is convincing owner Sam Zell to extend contracts and Jim Hendry the GM is signing free-agents to long-term deals. As a really stupid manuver Crane Kenney secretly tries to hire a Greek Orthodox Priest to sprinkle Holy Water on the clubhouse only the Priest gets caught in the act and mysteriously dissapears. The logic behind all this is that the owner of the goat was the Greek owner of the Billy Goat Tavern which was what Bill Murray used as his inspiration for the skits everyone remembers on SNL.CHEESE-BOOGER-CHEESE-BOOGER-CHEESE-BOOGER.

Here's what a lot of people don't realize. The 2008 group of players are of a different generation and weren't around to witness goats and blackcats and they really don't understand any of it. Even Lou Pinnella dismisses it as a bunch of bull. While nobody can accuse this years team of not trying, Fans and watchers can't expect these guys to understand any of the past events as a reason for extra motivation. All they care about is this year, this team, and themselves and you can't blame them. That was then and this is now.

To finish my point is that all that are feeling sorry for themselves and think that this current bunch of players owes them a championship should truly have their collective heads examined. My feeling is that we give our full support and understanding to this team as it exists in 2008, not to fantasyland. We should consider ourselves fortunate for having something to cheer for and not being stuck with ownership that doesn't do anything for fans and year after year laugh all the way to the bank just knowing that whatever kind of product they put out there, their fans will pay to see it. I know what I'm talking about because that was our very Chicago Cubs until the new administration changed direction and started spending money and building a team that was something to take pride in.

Lets give credit to these guys for going as far as they brought us. Teams like the Yankees and Boston took more than one year to build their legacies and conversley and coincidentley the Dodgers took years to revive themselves after years of neglecting and not paying attention to their fans and players.---------------And by the way the talk radio shows here in Chi-town land lead the world in promoting negativity and being fair weather fans when the Cubs win. Shame on them, shame on us.
   7. Rowland Office Supplies Posted: October 04, 2008 at 01:09 PM (#2967715)
Enjoy your CHEESE-BOOGER. I'll have a cheeboygah.
   8. Lassus Posted: October 04, 2008 at 01:39 PM (#2967720)
Well, I still think you guys are going to win this series.
   9. tfbg9 Posted: October 04, 2008 at 02:39 PM (#2967748)
Harden needs to hit the glove. Its that simple.
Good luck Cubbies.

Oh, and chin music for Manny. Gammo sez he hates it big time--
nothing else seems to be working as far as he's concerned.
   10. McCoy Posted: October 04, 2008 at 02:45 PM (#2967751)
Cub fans should be at one win at a time mode right now. If Harden wins you say "that's nice", if Lilly wins you say "that's nice" and if Zambrano wins you go "yeah!".

I said it in the other thread, I think Harden can win this game for the Cubs and if that happens I think Lilly can win a matchup against Maddux, I doubt it would be Lowe but if it is and he isn't tired then it would be tough. Anyway if it is Maddux I think the Cubs can win, which means game 5. Lowe vs Zambrano in Chicago.
   11. Slivers of Maranville descends into chaos (SdeB) Posted: October 04, 2008 at 03:06 PM (#2967756)
The 2008 group of players are of a different generation and weren't around to witness goats and blackcats and they really don't understand any of it.


Most of them were around for the playoff choke of last year, Lee and Ramirez and Wood and Z were around for 2003.

My feeling is that we give our full support and understanding to this team as it exists in 2008, not to fantasyland.


Who's not giving support? I have to say that I have never in my life seen a crowd try to pick up a dying team like I did in game 2. The fans at Wrigley were clapping, cheering and chanting even when the Cubs were down 7 in the bottom of the 9th with two outs. I had never been so proud to be a Cubs fan. It's the players who have let down the fans, not vice versa.
   12. scareduck Posted: October 04, 2008 at 03:08 PM (#2967759)
We went to see the Cubs at Wrigley this year and they proceeded to not only get swept by the Astros but start a season-long seven- or nine-game losing streak.
   13. scareduck Posted: October 04, 2008 at 03:17 PM (#2967762)
Incidentally, dunno if you guys have noticed, but Lee hasn't hit more than two home runs in a single month since May.
   14. scareduck Posted: October 04, 2008 at 03:19 PM (#2967764)
I said it in the other thread, I think Harden can win this game for the Cubs and if that happens I think Lilly can win a matchup against Maddux, I doubt it would be Lowe but if it is and he isn't tired then it would be tough. Anyway if it is Maddux I think the Cubs can win, which means game 5. Lowe vs Zambrano in Chicago.

Rich Harden of the same 6.43 career postseason ERA?

If you think the Dodgers are sending Greg Maddux out there for a start you're crazy.
   15. Moses Taylor loves a good maim Posted: October 04, 2008 at 03:24 PM (#2967766)
And what's your point? Don't you have your own team to worry about?
   16. McCoy Posted: October 04, 2008 at 03:45 PM (#2967773)
If you think the Dodgers are sending Greg Maddux out there for a start you're crazy.

They going to go with Lowe on short rest? Are they going to go with Kershaw?
   17. Justin T's pasta pass was not revoked Posted: October 04, 2008 at 03:50 PM (#2967776)
All discounting of their claims aside, I have heard many a commentator claim that sinkerballers pitch better when they're a little tired. An arm too fresh that throws too hard won't get as much sink on the ball.
   18. rr Posted: October 04, 2008 at 03:53 PM (#2967777)
FWIW, I think that the Cubs are the most likely of the four teams down 2-0 to mount a serious comeback.
   19. Tom Goes to the Ballpark Posted: October 04, 2008 at 06:08 PM (#2967843)
They going to go with Lowe on short rest? Are they going to go with Kershaw?


Lowe will go on short rest for game 4 and Billingsley would go on regular rest for game 5.
   20. SouthSideRyan Posted: October 04, 2008 at 06:48 PM (#2967854)
Source #19?
   21. Andere Richtingen Posted: October 04, 2008 at 06:53 PM (#2967856)
Incidentally, dunno if you guys have noticed, but Lee hasn't hit more than two home runs in a single month since May.

No, I didn't notice that. Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm going to stick a stethoscope up my butt to see if I need to take a dump.
   22. 1k5v3L Posted: October 04, 2008 at 06:56 PM (#2967861)
Lowe will go on short rest for game 4 and Billingsley would go on regular rest for game 5.
That makes perfect sense. Lowe has been absolutely dominant at home this season.
   23. SouthSideRyan Posted: October 04, 2008 at 07:00 PM (#2967864)
That makes perfect sense. Lowe has been absolutely dominant at home this season.


Except, generally guys are terrible on short rest. Lowe doesn't have much of a track record to try and refute the sinkerballers do it better, but in 4 starts in his career he's more than a run worse starting on short rest compared to normal.
   24. rr Posted: October 04, 2008 at 07:20 PM (#2967874)
Lowe will go on short rest for game 4 and Billingsley would go on regular rest for game 5.


I heard this on the ESPN radio broadcast late in Gm 2.
   25. Tom Goes to the Ballpark Posted: October 04, 2008 at 07:20 PM (#2967875)
Source #19?


Torre has said that he won't announce a game 4 starter until after game 3, but Lowe mentioned the other day that a decision has already been made.

So you won't find a source for what I said.
   26. McCoy Posted: October 04, 2008 at 07:38 PM (#2967882)
I read that Torre asked Lowe before the series if he was willing to pitch game 4. Lowe said he would do it if asked. But why would Torre ask Lowe to pitch game 4 if the Dodgers are up 2-1? I can see if it was reversed but having Lowe pitch game 4 doesn't really make sense when they are up 2-1. If you pitch Lowe and he doesn't do well then you spent that bullet and force the Dodgers to spend Billingsley as well in game 5. Send someone else to the mound and maybe they win maybe they don't. If they win you got Lowe and Billingsley for game 1 and game 2 then game 5 and 6 which would be perfect. If they lose you pitch Lowe in game 5 and if they win it it only pushes Lowe back to game 3 in the LCS and then game 6.

Pushing Lowe up on short rest to try and win 3-1 and risking a 4 inning 6 run outing doesn't seem worth it to me.
   27. Justin T's pasta pass was not revoked Posted: October 04, 2008 at 08:10 PM (#2967896)
If they win you got Lowe and Billingsley for game 1 and game 2 then game 5 and 6 which would be perfect. If they lose you pitch Lowe in game 5 and if they win it it only pushes Lowe back to game 3 in the LCS and then game 6.

These are 5 game series, bud. If you pitch Lowe in Game 5, Billingsley only gets 1 start in the series. Not too hot.
   28. Justin T's pasta pass was not revoked Posted: October 04, 2008 at 08:11 PM (#2967898)
Nevermind, I'm dumb.

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