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   1. Bunny Vincennes Posted: April 13, 2009 at 04:44 PM (#3136125)
I agree with all of that, Moses. I'm very concerned about DLee. In the two games I was at this weekend he looked lost at the plate. I was wondering if it might be a vision thing. Or he's just old. Its tough to watch, as I think he's a good guy, and the work he's done for his daughter is admireable.

Reed Johnson. That was unreal. We were sitting in the first row on the RF foul pole and we were incredibly close to that play. I can't remember a defensive play like that where I was so close.

And my Girl called the Soriano HR on Saturday. What a great couple of nights of baseball. Just amazing.
   2. Bunny Vincennes Posted: April 13, 2009 at 04:56 PM (#3136133)
Oh, and I also have some mixed thoughts on beaning Reed Johnson in the next inning after he made the catch. I kind of understand it, but it seemed unnecessary. And it caused all kinds of uproar amongst the fans. The Cubs-Brewers fan situation is going to get very, very ugly, if it hasn't already. I sat in pretty good seats all weekend but even there it was a less than pleasant experience at times, and having beer thrown at my girlfriend who doesn't root for either team is a little over the top. Luckily she was wearing her Barbour waxed cotton jacket.
   3. Moses Taylor loves a good maim Posted: April 13, 2009 at 05:08 PM (#3136150)
When they were showing the replay of the Johnson catch, you could see all the pitchers in the bullpen were looking up at a monitor or something and didn't turn the see Johnson's glove reach over the wall right in front of them. The bullpen catcher saw Johnson's glove, but no one else did. If Johnson didn't catch it, the ball was going to hit one of the pitchers (maybe on a bounce).

I don't know why they threw at Johnson either. Prince tipped his batting helmet, so he wasn't bitter about it. I guess it's possible it wasn't intentional, but a first pitch fastball right between the shoulder blades is almost always intentional. Actually, so far this season, the Cubs already have 5HBP. That seems high. That one looked like the first on purpose though (I remember a couple hitting guys in the feet).

Your second post is yet another post that could have been made by J. Pederman.
   4. Bunny Vincennes Posted: April 13, 2009 at 05:19 PM (#3136164)
That's funny.

Since we had a good view of the Cubs bullpen it was kind of funny to look down there, and they weren't paying attention to the game at all, and yes, somebody would have gotten hit by that ball had Johnson not caught it.

The comment about the fan situation is that I don't really talk or cheer during the game. I might jump up to see something (I'm short), but outside of my Cubs cap, it would be hard to tell my allegiance. As Jill would say, baseball is several hours of tense bookeeping for me when we are at the park.
   5. Moses Taylor loves a good maim Posted: April 13, 2009 at 05:24 PM (#3136177)
I wonder if it's more noticeable when you're the visiting fan. I get pretty annoyed with lots of the Cubs fans at Wrigley, even though I'm a Cubs fan. I wonder how the visiting fans view the ######### Chads and Trixies.

I'm not very vocal either, but I don't keep score. Usually only stand when the people in front of me stand, but I have been known to get pretty involved in the games (the more beer, the more likely that is).
   6. Bunny Vincennes Posted: April 13, 2009 at 05:33 PM (#3136190)
It might be, but there is a huge contingent of Cub fans at Miller, and that might be part of the problem. I get annoyed with Cub fans too, but the attitude is different. I feel like douchey Cub fans want to get their drink on and have a good time. The Brewer fans are angry and hostile. I see 20+ games at Miller each year as my friends are season ticket holders and while that attitude is certainly worse during Cubs games, they are an angery lot.

Funny enough, there was a woman in a St. Louis Cards 2006 WS t-shirt in the row in front of us. That was someone all of us could hate. ; )
   7. Pops Freshenmeyer Posted: April 13, 2009 at 05:34 PM (#3136191)
Lee looks cooked to me. I hope his stature as a leader on the team won't prevent Lou from installing a platoon at first if the performances warrant.
   8. Meatwad Posted: April 13, 2009 at 05:36 PM (#3136195)
half hour delay today
   9. Meatwad Posted: April 13, 2009 at 05:58 PM (#3136222)
did anyone else just see that on wgn? heres to you in men in blue? its so terrible its funny
   10. McCoy Posted: April 13, 2009 at 05:58 PM (#3136223)
Milwaukee fans have never struck me as an "angry lot" and I never saw any problems between Cubs and Brewers fans when I went to games. I have never sat in the nosebleed seats so perhaps I've missed it, but the lower ring has been very mild and cordial for the many years I attended games at Miller Park.
   11. SouthSideRyan Posted: April 13, 2009 at 06:11 PM (#3136243)
It's sad, but I was encouraged by Lee's flyout to the warning track yesterday. He took the ball the opposite field which he seems to have abandoned over the past 5 playing months.
   12. McCoy Posted: April 13, 2009 at 06:12 PM (#3136245)
As for the team:

Lee looks like a 7 spot batter right now. He is basically living on his rep right now and if the Cubs weren't winning for the last couple of years his placement in the batting order would be a bigger deal than it is right now. I"m almost praying for a pulled hammy or something so Hoff can get a shot at first base on a regular basis.

Fontenot is a bit of a streaky hitter and right now he is up. That is good but I don't really expect it to continue.

Theriot is doing what we hoped or expected him to do with the bat and he is basically the defender that we expected out of him as well. Like others have said if he can keep his batting average above .300 he isn't a problem at all and is a good player for this team.

Aramis is looking like Aramis. No complaints, don't really need him to have a monster season or anything like that. Just want him to play 150+ games and hit like he always hits.

Soriano is looking good and healthy.


Fukudome still hasn't really convinved me of anything. He still can look awful at the plate and I think we will find out what the real Fukudome truly is after some more series and pitching adjustments. His defense is ok and I think that is about the best we can expect out of him out there.

Bradley can hit and I don't expect to have the low stats for long. But I also don't expect to see a lot of him this season. He is getting dinged it seems almost every game.

Soto/Hill: Soto's injury worries me because if his shoulder acts up the Cubs don't have the flexibility to stick him in elsewhere. I guess they could slot him in at first but that would cause a huge clubhouse uproar. Hill as a sub looks pretty good for a backup but if the injuries are prolonged and LEe stays in his funk I expect the offense to start sinking.


Pitching:
Lou seems to always churn through his pen in the beginning. I'm not really worried about it, outside of the usual eventual overuse of two or three guys.

Hopefully Lilly and Dempster don't turn back into pumpkins or else the Cubs are going to be in trouble.
   13. SouthSideRyan Posted: April 13, 2009 at 06:23 PM (#3136264)
The key to Ryan Theriot having a successful season is his continuing to turn on the pitches he's been turning on. As long as he continues to shoot the occassional LF-CF gap, or LF line, it'll keep the Theriot hole open on the right side and he can continue to be a productive hitter. If he starts trying to dump that inside pitch into RF, he's screwed.

Course, if he starts trying to drive everything out of the park he's screwed too.

In summary, keep doing what you're doing and hit 500 Ryan.
   14. Moses Taylor loves a good maim Posted: April 13, 2009 at 06:29 PM (#3136277)
Only a half hour delay, meat? It's still raining out by me (O'Hare area).
   15. Meatwad Posted: April 13, 2009 at 06:32 PM (#3136286)
the tarp is off the field
   16. SouthSideRyan Posted: April 13, 2009 at 06:41 PM (#3136302)
Is this the game thread?

We've got a Dusty lineup going today thanks to minor injuries

Soriano
Theriot
Fukudome - RF(Bradley groin)
Lee
Fontenot - 3B(Ramirez - sore back)
Johnson
Miles
Hill
Lilly
   17. SouthSideRyan Posted: April 13, 2009 at 06:42 PM (#3136305)
Johnson
Miles
Hill


So what I'm saying is pray for rain.
   18. Moses Taylor loves a good maim Posted: April 13, 2009 at 06:46 PM (#3136318)
Lee is moved out of the 3 hole? That was quicker than I expected.
   19. Walt Davis Posted: April 13, 2009 at 06:49 PM (#3136330)
Fontenot might well outhit DeRosa this year ... but that wasn't the choice. DeRosa on the team would mean no Miles, he'd get some of Fontenot's PAs and he'd back up Bradley and Ramirez. As long as DeRosa outhits Miles and some combination of Fuku/Johnson/Gathright, then in a strict baseball sense, the Cubs would have been better off with him.

And while Fontenot is off to a great start, he's 0 for 5 vs. lefties so far. It's still far from clear that he can be a full-timer.
   20. McCoy Posted: April 13, 2009 at 07:01 PM (#3136354)
Lee is moved out of the 3 hole? That was quicker than I expected.

Perhaps, or perhaps Lou is an extreme Nazi when it comes to his L/R/L/R fetish
   21. Moses Taylor loves a good maim Posted: April 13, 2009 at 07:04 PM (#3136359)
Fontenot might well outhit DeRosa this year ... but that wasn't the choice. DeRosa on the team would mean no Miles, he'd get some of Fontenot's PAs and he'd back up Bradley and Ramirez. As long as DeRosa outhits Miles and some combination of Fuku/Johnson/Gathright, then in a strict baseball sense, the Cubs would have been better off with him.

I know that wasn't the choice, and in the strictest sense, I agree. I don't prefer Miles to DeRosa, that's just my reaction to hearing DeRosa's name brought up all the time. I think it's time to let it go, and 2008 DeRosa was never going to be duplicated. There's also the money issue (although as we've said, eating Gaudin's salary just about makes up the difference between Miles and DeRosa's paychecks).
   22. Walks Clog Up the Bases Posted: April 13, 2009 at 07:44 PM (#3136416)
Did Soriano successfully steal a bag in ST? I know it's a goal of his to steal more this season, but every time I've seen him attempt one this year, he's been gunned down.
   23. SouthSideRyan Posted: April 13, 2009 at 08:02 PM (#3136428)
Aaron Miles, everybody!
   24. Moses Taylor loves a good maim Posted: April 13, 2009 at 08:11 PM (#3136434)
Another bases loaded walk though. That's something else. 32 walks in 6 games and 2 innings. Good to see that quality carried over from last season.
   25. Bunny Vincennes Posted: April 13, 2009 at 08:13 PM (#3136437)
Agreed, Moses. Tough to see them not do anything with the bases loaded there, but I'll take that. Soriano's AB kind of sucked but he did hit a GWHR on Saturday, so he's not on notice yet. : )
   26. Bunny Vincennes Posted: April 13, 2009 at 08:15 PM (#3136440)
So they aren't growing the infield grass long at Wrigley? I thought that was a feature...?
   27. Bunny Vincennes Posted: April 13, 2009 at 08:27 PM (#3136452)
4 walks in three innings. Nice.
   28. SouthSideRyan Posted: April 13, 2009 at 08:33 PM (#3136456)
Ball magent.
   29. Bunny Vincennes Posted: April 13, 2009 at 08:34 PM (#3136457)
70 pitches not quite through the 3rd, and yet only one run. Hmm.
   30. Bunny Vincennes Posted: April 13, 2009 at 08:34 PM (#3136458)
And Johnson with another HBP.
   31. SouthSideRyan Posted: April 13, 2009 at 08:36 PM (#3136460)
I'm going to assume that Yahoo's gametrackers is effed up and that Miles didn't just foul out on a 3-0 count.
   32. Moses Taylor loves a good maim Posted: April 13, 2009 at 08:38 PM (#3136461)
ESPN says it was a 3-1 count. Either way, WTF. 1 run after bases loaded and no outs and 0 runs after 2nd/3rd with 1 out. Cubs are a clutch walking team (besides Miles), but not a clutch hitting team.
   33. Bunny Vincennes Posted: April 13, 2009 at 08:40 PM (#3136464)
This isn't exactly their best hitting lineup, but ##########, you expect a little more than that in those two situations. On the other hand, the gimps that are not playing today, I'm fine with.

I hate the name Spilbourgs. #### that guy.
   34. SouthSideRyan Posted: April 13, 2009 at 08:40 PM (#3136465)
How embarrassed is Koyie to be batting below Miles?
   35. McCoy Posted: April 13, 2009 at 08:41 PM (#3136466)
Another chance at a no-hitter for Lilly?
   36. Moses Taylor loves a good maim Posted: April 13, 2009 at 08:45 PM (#3136467)
Way too early on that one, McCoy. Any opening day no-hitters before? Not that today is a true opening day, but just wondering.
   37. name_pending Posted: April 13, 2009 at 08:49 PM (#3136470)
Whats up with Miles? 2 bases loaded foul outs?
   38. McCoy Posted: April 13, 2009 at 08:49 PM (#3136472)
Hey, aren't you the optimist?
   39. SteveM. Posted: April 13, 2009 at 08:49 PM (#3136473)
I still think that Hendry cleared salary because he will make another run at Peavy soon.
   40. McCoy Posted: April 13, 2009 at 08:50 PM (#3136474)
Whats up with Miles? 2 bases loaded foul outs?
DeRosa wouldn't have done that.
   41. Kiko Sakata Posted: April 13, 2009 at 08:51 PM (#3136475)
Any opening day no-hitters before? Not that today is a true opening day, but just wondering.


I think Bob Feller threw one back when my dad was a kid in Cleveland.
   42. name_pending Posted: April 13, 2009 at 08:53 PM (#3136477)
"DeRosa wouldn't have done that."

Well, it is kinda hard, no?
   43. Moses Taylor loves a good maim Posted: April 13, 2009 at 08:53 PM (#3136478)
Call me crazy, but there's something different about Soriano with runners on base. I, for one, will never bring up the subject of moving him down in the lineup.
   44. SouthSideRyan Posted: April 13, 2009 at 08:53 PM (#3136480)
Aaron Miles is the only Cub to not reach base today.
   45. Moses Taylor loves a good maim Posted: April 13, 2009 at 08:55 PM (#3136482)
Unclutch hitters still, but clutch walkers and clutcher error-drawers.
   46. Moses Taylor loves a good maim Posted: April 13, 2009 at 08:56 PM (#3136483)
Clutch balk-drawers, too.
   47. Meatwad Posted: April 13, 2009 at 08:57 PM (#3136485)
glendon rusch is comming in, i think this lead may get bigger
   48. Moses Taylor loves a good maim Posted: April 13, 2009 at 08:57 PM (#3136486)
I am shocked Glendon Rusch is still in baseball.
   49. name_pending Posted: April 13, 2009 at 08:58 PM (#3136488)
Soriano is a clutch out-maker.

And I worry that there is a large woman humming every time Lee comes up to bat...
   50. name_pending Posted: April 13, 2009 at 08:59 PM (#3136490)
The gamecast makes it seem like it should be 7-0
   51. Moses Taylor loves a good maim Posted: April 13, 2009 at 09:03 PM (#3136492)
It should be 7-0. 5 hits, 6 walks, 1 HBP, and 1 reached on error.
   52. name_pending Posted: April 13, 2009 at 09:09 PM (#3136497)
What happened that Hurdle got ejected? Was it after the runs scored?
   53. Moses Taylor loves a good maim Posted: April 13, 2009 at 09:11 PM (#3136500)
He must not want to watch a no-hitter today.
   54. McCoy Posted: April 13, 2009 at 09:14 PM (#3136505)
12 outs to go
   55. Cabbage Posted: April 13, 2009 at 09:15 PM (#3136507)
I feel bad for hoping for a cancellation. I've got a lot of homework to do, and the game is making that difficult.

Its not my fault I have no self control, I blame the Cubs!
   56. Moses Taylor loves a good maim Posted: April 13, 2009 at 09:16 PM (#3136510)
As long as you're still not hoping for a cancellation, that's ok.
   57. Cabbage Posted: April 13, 2009 at 09:17 PM (#3136512)
and what's with the Chimp? I'm going to give Furtado a piece of my mind for not immediately fixing every tiny little issue on this website that he provides for free.
   58. Cabbage Posted: April 13, 2009 at 09:17 PM (#3136513)
No Moses, I have just given in.
   59. Meatwad Posted: April 13, 2009 at 09:18 PM (#3136515)
now he gets a hit
   60. McCoy Posted: April 13, 2009 at 09:20 PM (#3136517)
I'm sure when they do the 2009 Chicago Cubs World Champs DVD they will start off with this no-hitter as the prelude to the greatness to come.
   61. SouthSideRyan Posted: April 13, 2009 at 09:20 PM (#3136518)
Any particular reason the Rockies just pulled Brad Hawpe from the game?
   62. Bunny Vincennes Posted: April 13, 2009 at 09:20 PM (#3136519)
Furtado is too busy facebooking.
   63. McCoy Posted: April 13, 2009 at 09:20 PM (#3136521)
So is this where Lilly legs it out and gets tired and gives up a hit in the beginning of the next inning?
   64. SouthSideRyan Posted: April 13, 2009 at 09:21 PM (#3136522)
According to Gameday:

Ted Lilly loves to face: Four-seam
Ted Lilly hates to face: Four-seam
   65. Meatwad Posted: April 13, 2009 at 09:24 PM (#3136527)
75 pitches for lilly so far
   66. SouthSideRyan Posted: April 13, 2009 at 09:25 PM (#3136528)
11 left on base through 5.
   67. Moses Taylor loves a good maim Posted: April 13, 2009 at 09:26 PM (#3136531)
75 through 5? That would mean 135 for the game at this pace. I don't think that's going to happen.
   68. McCoy Posted: April 13, 2009 at 09:27 PM (#3136534)
I'll take a combined effort no-hitter.
   69. Moses Taylor loves a good maim Posted: April 13, 2009 at 09:28 PM (#3136537)
Like there's anyone in this bullpen that can go an inning without giving up a hit.
   70. McCoy Posted: April 13, 2009 at 09:29 PM (#3136539)
Like there's anyone in this bullpen that can go an inning without giving up a hit.

Which would make it all the more sweeter. What killed the optimist in you?
   71. Meatwad Posted: April 13, 2009 at 09:30 PM (#3136540)
87 pitches so far
   72. Moses Taylor loves a good maim Posted: April 13, 2009 at 09:31 PM (#3136542)
Oh, I'm still an optimist. It hasn't worked so far, so consider it a reverse jinx.
   73. Meatwad Posted: April 13, 2009 at 09:31 PM (#3136543)
lets hope he can make it through the 7th under 100 pitches, if he does that then he has a chance
   74. McCoy Posted: April 13, 2009 at 09:34 PM (#3136544)
Well, if he is dealing then I'd say being uner 100 through 7 is definitely possible. If he isn't then he will lose the no-hitter and will probably not come out for the 8th.
   75. Moses Taylor loves a good maim Posted: April 13, 2009 at 09:42 PM (#3136552)
Last out at 3rd? WTF, Kosuke?
   76. McCoy Posted: April 13, 2009 at 09:44 PM (#3136556)
Meat of the order coming up
   77. Meatwad Posted: April 13, 2009 at 09:45 PM (#3136558)
routine grounder would have been out at first koskie got in a run down and almost got out of it
   78. Bunny Vincennes Posted: April 13, 2009 at 09:47 PM (#3136561)
Sometimes Kosuke makes me think they have different rules in Japan. WTF was he thinking there?
   79. Cabbage Posted: April 13, 2009 at 09:47 PM (#3136562)
ah nuts.
   80. Meatwad Posted: April 13, 2009 at 09:47 PM (#3136564)
on pitch 98 its broken up. great outing for lilly
   81. McCoy Posted: April 13, 2009 at 09:47 PM (#3136565)
So is ESPN going to pick this up in the 8th or the 9th?
   82. McCoy Posted: April 13, 2009 at 09:47 PM (#3136566)
never mind.
   83. Meatwad Posted: April 13, 2009 at 09:47 PM (#3136567)
len just noted in 3 of his last 5 starts he has taken a no hitter into the 7th
   84. SouthSideRyan Posted: April 13, 2009 at 09:48 PM (#3136570)
Sorry guys, I told my boss.
   85. McCoy Posted: April 13, 2009 at 09:49 PM (#3136573)
Second time Lilly has lost a no hitter in the 7th as a Cub.
   86. McCoy Posted: April 13, 2009 at 09:50 PM (#3136576)
Three? I don't remember the third time.
   87. Sebastian Posted: April 13, 2009 at 09:50 PM (#3136577)
Sometimes Kosuke makes me think they have different rules in Japan. WTF was he thinking there?

That you run on contact with two outs?
   88. Moses Taylor loves a good maim Posted: April 13, 2009 at 09:52 PM (#3136579)
I have a feeling Lilly will throw one sometime. That's crazy, meatwad.
   89. McCoy Posted: April 13, 2009 at 09:54 PM (#3136582)
And so it begins again.
   90. Cabbage Posted: April 13, 2009 at 09:55 PM (#3136584)
Nice catch ... couldn't have been easy on wet ground.
   91. SouthSideRyan Posted: April 13, 2009 at 09:55 PM (#3136585)
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/MIL/MIL200809270.shtml

Lilly's other 6 inning no hitter.
   92. Meatwad Posted: April 13, 2009 at 09:56 PM (#3136587)
its nice to see the cubs get into the rockies pen so earily to open the series. should mean good things for the rest of the series if they can jump on the starters
   93. SouthSideRyan Posted: April 13, 2009 at 09:57 PM (#3136590)
Aaron Miles is also schizophrenic about the 4 seamer
   94. Moses Taylor loves a good maim Posted: April 13, 2009 at 10:00 PM (#3136593)
Cubs sale looks like it'll drag out past May. Geez, get it over with already.
   95. SteveM. Posted: April 13, 2009 at 10:01 PM (#3136596)
Holy crap, Mark Fidrych also died today, Another part of my youth gone.
   96. SouthSideRyan Posted: April 13, 2009 at 10:03 PM (#3136598)
Lou just pulled a Dusty.
   97. SouthSideRyan Posted: April 13, 2009 at 10:04 PM (#3136600)
I understand that Gathright and Hoff are the only 2 healthy bats on the bench, but are you really that paranoid that this is going to extras and we'll 2 more pinch hitters?
   98. Moses Taylor loves a good maim Posted: April 13, 2009 at 10:06 PM (#3136604)
Lou is really off his game so far.
   99. Moses Taylor loves a good maim Posted: April 13, 2009 at 10:11 PM (#3136612)
Actually, I don't think it was that bad to let Guzman hit for himself with 2 outs.
   100. SteveM. Posted: April 13, 2009 at 10:14 PM (#3136615)
At least Phil Spector was found guilty of murder. What a crappy day, aside from the score so far.
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