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   1. Hendry's Wad of Cash (UCCF) Posted: March 11, 2006 at 11:46 PM (#1893785)
More news:

Baker Wants to Stay

That's the last thing I needed to see today.
   2. Pops Freshenmeyer Posted: March 12, 2006 at 12:01 AM (#1893790)
What the hell is this?

If he's hitting like Neifi it's a point in his favor.

ignorance of analytical tools is a genetically homozygous trait within this organization

It's especially infuriating that the few areas where the Cubs utilize statistics are frought with determinations based on miniscule sample sizes.
   3. Pops Freshenmeyer Posted: March 12, 2006 at 12:23 AM (#1893793)
Augie Ojeda is hitting .273/.364/.273 this spring. I think we have a new frontrunner.
   4. Fred Garvin is dead to Mug Posted: March 12, 2006 at 07:19 AM (#1894182)
More news:

Baker Wants to Stay


I was thinking about this the other day. When the issue about Mark Prior arose, the local media first embraced Will Carroll's report, then threw him and BPro under the bus. Whenever BPro is discussed in the media (or in BTF as well), it is frequently mentioned that they were the ones to announce that Pete Rose was negotiating a deal with MLB. It never came to be -- perhaps because of Rose's book -- and BPro has frequently been made to look like crackpots because of this.

Last fall, Mike Kiley of the Sun-Times "broke the story" that Jim Hendry was going to have his contract renewed in Spring Training and that he would then extend Dusty's contract as well. The Tribune and other local papers followed with similar stories, IIRC.

It hasn't happened yet (thankfully) -- how come no one is calling Mike Kiley or Paul Sullivan crackpots?
   5. Swedish Chef Posted: March 12, 2006 at 10:10 AM (#1894228)
how come no one is calling Mike Kiley or Paul Sullivan crackpots?

Conspiracy theory: they were useful idiots who floated a trial balloon for... somebody.
   6. Misirlou cut his hair and moved to Rome Posted: March 12, 2006 at 12:19 PM (#1894239)
If he's hitting like Neifi it's a point in his favor.

No it isn't. Neifi and every other veteran is immune. I'm pretty sure Dubois was hitting better than Holly, and Bellhorn better than Lenny harris when they lost their jobs.
   7. SouthSideRyan Posted: March 12, 2006 at 01:54 PM (#1894255)
It hasn't happened yet (thankfully) -- how come no one is calling Mike Kiley or Paul Sullivan crackpots?

I AM!
   8. Hendry's Wad of Cash (UCCF) Posted: March 12, 2006 at 03:51 PM (#1894335)
From the Robothal article in the newsblog:

News flash: A Cubs pitcher is healthy! Right-hander Angel Guzman, who pitched only 18 innings last season after undergoing arthroscopic surgery on his pitching shoulder, is throwing 93-96 mph with improved command, "showing signs of the guy we all fell in love with," G.M. Jim Hendry says. Guzman, 25, could become a rotation option later in the season.

The Cubs' bullpen, meanwhile, looks deep enough for the team to move right-hander Scott Williamson to the Braves or another club, but a rival scout says, "If I'm Hendry, I keep the guy." Right-hander Todd Wellemeyer, on the other hand, is throwing with less velocity and less life, according to the same scout. Wellemeyer, out of minor-league options, seems likely to be traded. ...


I hope Guzman really is healthy. Seems like he's been in the system and hurt forever. Hard to believe he's now 25 and still yet to appear in the majors.
   9. Spahn Insane Posted: March 12, 2006 at 03:56 PM (#1894337)
Meanwhile, Neifi Perez is hitting a robust .200.
   10. Fred Garvin is dead to Mug Posted: March 12, 2006 at 04:18 PM (#1894348)
how come no one is calling Mike Kiley or Paul Sullivan crackpots?

--Conspiracy theory: they were useful idiots who floated a trial balloon for... somebody.


So what? Isn't it possible that someone within MLB was using Carroll and Zumsteg in a similar fashion?
   11. Pops Freshenmeyer Posted: March 12, 2006 at 06:24 PM (#1894472)
I hope Guzman really is healthy.

I'm amazed that he's suffered so many injuries and every time he comes back, he pitches with velocity and effectiveness.

It is astonishing that he can still dial it up to 96.
   12. Fred Garvin is dead to Mug Posted: March 12, 2006 at 08:25 PM (#1894734)
I hope Guzman really is healthy. Seems like he's been in the system and hurt forever. Hard to believe he's now 25 and still yet to appear in the majors.

At this point, I have about as much faith in Guzman as I do in Luis Montanez.
   13. diehard4life Posted: March 13, 2006 at 03:07 PM (#1896726)
The Cubs' bullpen, meanwhile, looks deep enough for the team to move right-hander Scott Williamson to the Braves or another club, but a rival scout says, "If I'm Hendry, I keep the guy." Right-hander Todd Wellemeyer, on the other hand, is throwing with less velocity and less life, according to the same scout. Wellemeyer, out of minor-league options, seems likely to be traded. ...

I haven't been impressed with the Williamson experiment. Last year when everything else was falling apart, I remember getting a littel excited to have Scott come in on a white horse... Never happened... Hopefully, we can get someone decent for him. I'm bummed that Wellemeyer is failing. I liked his moxie, but he is surely moving in the wrong direction.

I beleive we are still owed a "player to be named" or two. Too bad we can't trade up with these two guys and actually get someone we can use in the next couple years.

While I'm headed out on my tanget...Has anyone else heard about a supposed blockbuster moved by Hendry before opening day? The radio guys were talking about Sorianno again. I'm not sure he's what we need.
   14. Moses Taylor loves a good maim Posted: March 13, 2006 at 03:46 PM (#1896772)
I haven't been impressed with the Williamson experiment. Last year when everything else was falling apart, I remember getting a littel excited to have Scott come in on a white horse... Never happened...

Why in the world were you expecting that? He had just had TJ surgery within the last 12 months. No one ever comes back and is good that soon.

I'm bummed that Wellemeyer is failing. I liked his moxie,

moxie=the sauce
   15. Hendry's Wad of Cash (UCCF) Posted: March 13, 2006 at 03:52 PM (#1896778)
The radio guys were talking about Sorianno again.

That's not surprising. Hendry's always coveted him, the Cubs have an unsettled 2B situation, and Soriano's causing problems in Washington.

I hate the idea personally. He's a malcontent and another guy who will swing for the fences every time and never draw a walk. With his speed, you know Dusty would want him near the top of the lineup, which probably means 2nd behind Pierre. And that's just a mess waiting to happen for the guy who, even in his best season, couldn't post a .340 OBP.
   16. JPWF13 Posted: March 13, 2006 at 04:22 PM (#1896801)
Cedeno watch: Ronny Cedeno went 0-for-3 as his averge dipped to .188.

What the hell is this? Is someone in the bowels of the Tribune company in the pay of Neifi Perez? Good grief, Cedeno has had 16 at bats this spring - a sample size not even worth talking about in private conversation,


But you see it all the time-
"prospect" comes up- someone (fan/reporter/manager) for whatever reason wants prospect to fail (prove a point/prefer someone else, etc)

prospect goes 0 for 8-
Reporter says "see, not ready/ not that good"
Fan says "see, not ready/ not that good"
Manager says, "not ready, but we still think highly of him" (Really thinking, "gee don't get caught under the wheels of the minor league team bus").

The Mets had a complete soul sucking blackhole at 2b last year- KazMat was awful, Cairo was worse. (Cairo in 2004, suprisingly didn't suck too badly- no range- but hit enough to stay above replacement level overall- in 2005 he was below replacement level in every facet of the game- KazMat- well he was bad in every facet as well...)

Late in the year some reporters and fans began agitating to see Anderson Hernandez- who seemed to me to be having a batting average driven flukey year in AA/AAA- but what the hell- he couldn't be worse. (Having seen him- he WOULD have been an improvement- it;'s not like he would have hit much worse than Cairo/Matsucky and his DEE more than makes up for that)-

So he got a cup of coffee, went 0 for 8- and immediately reporters began posting and fans began blogging, "see obviously not ready yet" sned him back down.
He probably wasn't (and may never be) ready- but basing that on 8 at bats was absurd. (it was also absurd in that Met production at 2B was so gut wrenchingly awful there was literaally no downside to letting Hernandez play in September).
   17. Moses Taylor loves a good maim Posted: March 13, 2006 at 05:18 PM (#1896867)
This may deserve its own thread...

In an interview with WSCR-AM 670 on Sunday, Todd Walker reportedly said that manager Dusty Baker told him he'd be his starting second baseman on Opening Day in Cincinnati.

But that was news to Baker, who said he hasn't decided yet.

"I don't recall saying that," Baker said. "I've got to talk to 'Walk' about that. I don't even know who's pitching for [the Reds] on Opening Day."


Well, that's wonderful. I think Todd may be trying to help them get him out of there.
   18. Randy Watson and Sexual Chocolate Posted: March 13, 2006 at 05:33 PM (#1896887)

That's not surprising. Hendry's always coveted him, the Cubs have an unsettled 2B situation, and Soriano's causing problems in Washington.

I hate the idea personally. He's a malcontent and another guy who will swing for the fences every time and never draw a walk. With his speed, you know Dusty would want him near the top of the lineup, which probably means 2nd behind Pierre. And that's just a mess waiting to happen for the guy who, even in his best season, couldn't post a .340 OBP.


I think it could be worse. Soriano is a nightmare with the glove and his OBP sucks rocks but even in terms of park-adjusted stats that incorporate on-base skills, viz. OPS+, he's a better hitter than any of the three guys the Cubs are looking at for 2B. Soriano's flyball hitting style should suit him well in Wrigley, at least when the wind is up.

Furthermore, Hendry, who I think is a mediocre GM overall, has nonetheless shown a more than decent ability to extract value in trades, especially trades with teams that are compelled (for budget or PR reasons) to make a move. Soriano is grotesquely overpaid, of course, but that helps as much as it hurts: if the Nats think of Soriano as a $10m albatross/troublemaker, the trade market will be limited to those teams willing to take on a grotesquely overpaid player's salary.

As for his lineup usage: Pierre precludes his use as a leadoff man, and Dusty has shown a proclivity towards weak-hitting "bat control" guys in the two-hole, which is dumb but may inadvertently lead to Soriano being IMO optimally used in a lineup like this:

Pierre
Cedeno/Perez
Lee
Jones
Ramirez
Soriano
Barrett
Murton

Soriano, AFAIK, does exactly two things well: hit home runs and steal bases. Two of the three guys ahead of him in that lineup are safe bets to get on base at a reasonable clip, which will make Soriano's homers productive, and his stealing ability will mean that a lot of singles and walks will result in a man on second for Murton and Barrett to drive in with singles.

I'm not advocating the Cubs actually do this trade, but I don't see it being an unmitigated disaster if it does happen. (If they're really hot to trot to get Soriano, of course, they should wait a month or two into the season, after RFK's park effects make him look especially mortal. But that seems a bit too clever for the Cubs, who seem to enjoy buying high and selling low.)
   19. Pops Freshenmeyer Posted: March 13, 2006 at 09:23 PM (#1897201)
I'm not advocating the Cubs actually do this trade, but I don't see it being an unmitigated disaster if it does happen.

I'm intrigued by the possibility but only because I think Washington is in a position of weakness. If he can't be used in DC he could be had for little more than absorbing his salary. In that case I'd be all for it.
   20. Pops Freshenmeyer Posted: March 13, 2006 at 09:27 PM (#1897212)
I was rather encouraged by Williamson's performance. He posted 23 Ks in 14 /3 IP. That's phenomenal and suggests to me that the second TJ didn't cost him his stuff.

Mariano Rivera wouldn't have saved the Cubs in 2005.
   21. Fred Garvin is dead to Mug Posted: March 14, 2006 at 03:50 PM (#1898271)
For those upset at the Cedeno note, you'll like this even less.

While I understand and share the concern about sample size and for giving Cedeno more than a shot, the fact is that as long as he keeps hitting <.250, we're going to be seeing a lot of these articles and hearing a lot of talk about getting Neifi back in the SS role.

Yes, I don't want to see Cedeno benched after a 2-17 streak, but if he begins the season that way, it's gonna happen much sooner than if the streak took place in June.
   22. Meatwad Posted: March 14, 2006 at 04:07 PM (#1898285)
Brannon, 23, was 9-7 with a 4.45 ERA in 29 games at Class A Bakersfield last season, splitting time between the rotation and bullpen.



we didnt even get a bag of used baseballs for leicster
   23. Boomer Posted: March 14, 2006 at 04:59 PM (#1898364)
Whenever BPro is discussed in the media (or in BTF as well), it is frequently mentioned that they were the ones to announce that Pete Rose was negotiating a deal with MLB.

Actually it's worse than this. They reported that the deal was totally done and that it even allowed to Rose to come back to manage in a year. Oops. Well, at least they are always right on injuries.
   24. Slivers of Maranville descends into chaos (SdeB) Posted: March 14, 2006 at 05:34 PM (#1898423)
Brannon, 23, was 9-7 with a 4.45 ERA in 29 games at Class A Bakersfield last season, splitting time between the rotation and bullpen.

FWIW, he went 3-2 record with a 0.59 ERA in 61 innings for Spokane of the Northwest League in 2004 (from the Cub Reorter).
   25. Fred Garvin is dead to Mug Posted: March 15, 2006 at 02:44 PM (#1899349)
Whenever BPro is discussed in the media (or in BTF as well), it is frequently mentioned that they were the ones to announce that Pete Rose was negotiating a deal with MLB.

--Actually it's worse than this. They reported that the deal was totally done and that it even allowed to Rose to come back to manage in a year. Oops. Well, at least they are always right on injuries.


Thanks for proving my point. BPro gets labeled as crackpots for things like this (when it was actually possible that a deal was in place before Rose came out with his book), but when Paul Sullivan or Mike Kiley say that the Cubs have vowed to extend Dusty's deal in Spring Training, no one calls them on the carpet when it doesn't happen.
   26. Pops Freshenmeyer Posted: March 15, 2006 at 04:56 PM (#1899535)
I am patting myself on the back for not buying any tickets this year.

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