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Hall of Merit — A Look at Baseball's All-Time Best Tuesday, November 11, 20031913 Results - Bid McPhee electedBid McPhee has been elected to the Hall of Merit by the narrowest margin in the 16-year history of the voting. McPhee defeated Cal McVey 751-747. The previous closest balloting was in 1906 when Al Spalding defeated Ezra Sutton 758-749.5. Sutton was elected in 1908. McPhee and McVey were separated by 8 points in the 1912 balloting. Harry Stovey broke out of what had been a neck-and-neck battle with Charlie Bennett since 1909, to move solidly into 3rd place. Hugh Duffy moved into the #5 spot, while Sam Thompson leaped over Frank Grant and Jimmy Ryan into 6th place. Newcomer Jake Beckley finished 9th, one point ahead of Lip Pike who rounded out the top 10 by passing George Van Haltren in the balloting. Other first-year eligibles to receive votes were Lave Cross, who finished a disappointing 20th and Kid Gleason who finished tied for 39th. Rk LY Player Pts Bal 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 1 3 Bid McPhee 751 40 16 5 6 4 1 1 1 1 1 2 2 2 4 Cal McVey 747 40 13 11 2 4 1 1 2 1 2 2 1 3 6 Harry Stovey 635 39 4 5 6 5 6 1 3 3 1 2 1 2 4 5 Charlie Bennett 573 34 4 5 6 7 3 2 2 2 2 1 5 7 Hugh Duffy 515 39 3 4 4 3 4 5 3 3 4 3 2 1 6 10 Sam Thompson 488 34 2 2 1 4 3 6 2 4 2 2 1 2 3 7 8 Frank Grant 394 30 1 2 2 4 3 3 1 2 5 2 1 1 2 1 8 9 Jimmy Ryan 391 30 1 1 3 3 5 3 1 2 2 3 3 1 2 9 n/e Jake Beckley 336 29 2 2 2 2 6 2 1 2 5 2 3 10 12 Lip Pike 335 22 1 2 1 4 2 5 1 2 1 2 1 11 11 George VanHaltren 329 27.5 1 1 3 5 2 1 2 2 2 2 2 1 3.5 12 13 Hughie Jennings 295 25.5 1 2 1 1 2 2 3 1 1 2 4 4 1.5 13 15 Dickey Pearce 260 20 1 2 1 2 1 2 1 5 1 1 1 2 14 17 Clark Griffith 220 21 1 1 2 1 1 1 4 4 2 3 1 15 14 Cupid Childs 218 20 1 1 1 1 2 2 3 3 1 1 1 3 16 18 Pete Browning 212 18 2 3 3 1 1 2 1 1 1 3 17 16 Mike Tiernan 200 20 1 2 3 2 1 3 5 2 1 18 19 Jim McCormick* 186 17 2 1 1 1 2 1 2 2 1 2 2 19 20 Bob Caruthers 186 14 3 2 1 1 1 3 2 1 20 n/e Lave Cross 177 18 1 1 1 1 2 2 1 4 2 3 21 22 Mike Griffin 131 13 2 2 1 3 1 3 1 22 24 Charlie Jones 116 12 1 1 2 1 3 1 2 1 23 21 Mickey Welch 112 10 2 1 1 3 2 1 24 23 Joh McGraw 85 8 1 3 4 25 26 Tony Mullane 64 7 1 1 1 1 1 2 26 25 Harry Wright 61 4 1 1 1 1 27 27 Ed Williamson 59 7 1 1 3 2 28 30 Herman Long 48 5.5 1 1 1 1 1.5 29 28 Deacon McGuire 43 5 2 1 2 30 29 Jim Whitney 42 3 1 1 1 31 31 Tip O'Neill 37 4.5 1 2 1.5 32 36 Fred Dunlap 21 2 1 1 33 34 Tommy Bond 17 2 1 1 34 38 Tom York 14 2 1 1 35T 39 Bill Hutchison 11 1 1 35T -- Bobby Mathews 11 1 1 37 37 Levi Meyerle 10 1 1 38 -- Noodles Hahn 8 1 1 39T 33 Billy Nash 7 1 1 39T n/e Kid Gleason 7 1 1 41 -- Kip Selbach 6 1 1 *won tiebreaker (ahead 15-10 on individual ballots) Dropped Out: Duke Farrell (32), Jack Clements (35). JoeD has the Imperial March Stuck in His Head
Posted: November 11, 2003 at 03:02 PM | 38 comment(s)
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1. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: November 11, 2003 at 03:10 PM (#518907)It's Marc's fault, and he know it and no matter how we try to cover it up for him, he is going to have to live with the shame all of him days.
Take it like a man, Marc.
:-)
a LOTTA tongue in cheek going on in here today...
I mean whichever of tactical and strategic voting is the sneaky one.
Entire exercise most interesting, and great fun. Thank you, Joe and other inventors!
I did my own count of the votes this week (which I don't usually do), and I decided to do some comparisons for similarity, or lack thereof, between ballots. What I did was simply to sum up the difference in points for each candidate. So if John has McVey 2nd (19) and Dan has McVey 5th (16), that's 3 points, and you just add them all up. And here's some results, first compared to the voters as a whole:
Compared to a "Consensus Ballot" - Mcphee 1st, McVey 2nd, Stovey 3rd, stopping at 15th:
Most Similar:
1st - DanG (66)
2nd - Esteban Rivera (72)
3rd - Michael D (78)
4th - RMc (80)
5th - Ron Wargo/Andrew Siegel/favre (84)
Least Similar:
42nd - Mark McKinniss (256)
41st - Clint (238)
40th - yest (202)
39th - KJOK (188)
38th - Brian Hodes (178)
Compared to an Average Ballot (Total points/42)
Most Similar:
1st - DanG (99.8)
2nd - Esteban Rivera (101.6)
3rd - Andrew Seigel (109.2)
4th - Sean Gilman (110.6)
5th - Patrick W (112.1)
Least Similar:
42nd - Mark McKinnis (242.4)
41st - Clint (203.4)
40th - yest (196.1)
39th - Jim Spencer (185.2)
38th - KJOK (184.1)
And now, for the individual comparisons (B means the comparison is the most similar for both voters):
Most Similar to DanG is Sean Gilman (60)B
Most Similar to favre is Esteban Rivera (66)B
Most Similar to Devin McCullen is favre (72)
Most Similar to Howie Menckel is DanG (76)
Most Similar to Rob Wood is Michael D (80)B
Most Similar to Joe Dimino is Patrick W (80)B
Most Similar to Andrew Seigel is Sean Gilman (84)
Most Similar to RobC is Patrick W (84)
Most Similar to TomH is Ron Wargo (84)B
Most Similar to OCF is Michael D (88)
Most Similar to Philip is TomH (96)B
Most Similar to RMc is Esteban Rivera (98)
Most Similar to RickA is Esteban Rivera (98)
Most Similar to John Murphy is JustinB (100) B
Most Similar to Al Peterson is Esteban Rivera (100)
Most Similar to redsox1912 is Sean Gilman(102)
Most Similar to MattB is JeffM (104) B
Most Similar to Adam Schaefer are DanG and Michael D (104)
Most Similar to Carl Goetz is Chris Cobb (106)B
Most Similar to jimD is Patrick W (112)
Most Similar to Marc is Carl Goetz (116)
Most Similar to Ken Fischer is RMc (118)
Most Similar to dan b is Michael D (124)
Most Similar to Rusty Priske is Ken Fischer (130)
Most Similar to Yardape is Rusty Priske (132)
Most Similar to yest is Brian Hodes (136) B
Most Similar to karlmagnus is Esteban Rivera (144)
Most Similar to EricC is favre (144)
Most Similar to Clint is Brian Hodes (156)
Most Similar to Jim Spencer is Rob Wood (158)
Most Similar to KJOK is Andrew Siegel (158)
Most Similar to Mark McKinnis is Brian Hodes (204)
Least Similar:
Okay, pretty much the answer is "Mark McKinnis". That's not entirely true, but for 24 out of 42 voters, it is, so I'm not going to list it for everyone. Here are some of the most dissimilar pairs (the largest possible score is 398):
Mark McKinnis and Jim Spencer (310)
Mark Mckinnis and EricC (310)
Mark McKinnis and Devin McCullen (302)
Mark McKinnis and KJOK (294)
Mark McKinnis and Marc (292)
Mark McKinnis and favre (292)
dan b and Marc (292)
The lowest least similar score for a voter belongs to Michael D, with a 232 for (surprise!) Mark McKinnis.
Proud of what?
LOL
I'm most similar to the most similar guy on the board.
But I'm not ANYONE's most similar, and I'm not terribly similar to a consensus ballot, either.
Ohh, I get it. So, your ballots aren't really serious!?!
Dan (unless I'm missing the tongue in your cheek), Mark was being facetious about the honor of having the least similar ballot.
Thanks Devin, fun stuff! And thank goodness for Carl Goetz, he is one really smart dude.
Nice work. One question, though
<i>(B means the comparison is the most similar for both voters)
...
Most Similar to TomH is Ron Wargo (84)B
...
Most Similar to Philip is TomH (96)B
I suppose that the second 'B' shouldn't be there, since the most similar to TomH can't be both Ron and Philip.
I also can't figure out the difference between a consensus ballot and an average ballot...? Devin?
Most Similar to ed is Michael D (80) (so Michael D has a tie for his Most Similar)
The rankings are OK.
I had counted it up before, saw I was one short, and somehow decided that the Philip-Tom H match was a 2-fer.
Oh, and for the people who were wondering: Howie Menckel ranked 8th or 9th, and OCF was 14th or 15th. I probably should have just picked one and listed everybody, but I couldn't decide which way was better. And it does make a difference for some people - RMc goes from 4th to 13th, and Sean Gilman goes from 12th to 5th.
In honor of Cal McVey and Bid McPhee's close close race, we've got the Cincinnati Reds against the Chicago Cubs, Larry Cheney vs. Red Ames:
http://www.whatifsports.com/mlb/boxscore.asp?GameID=11512942&ad=1
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