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Hall of Merit — A Look at Baseball's All-Time Best Sunday, November 30, 20031914 Results - Cal McVey electedCal McVey has been elected to the Hall of Merit. As will read on his plaque (courtesy of John Murphy), “The toughest and most consistent of Boston?s ?Big Four, he played on three championship teams for that city (1872, 1874-75), plus one more with Chicago during the inaugural NL season of 1876.” Harry Stovey maintained his position among the returnees and outpolled newcomer Joe Kelley to finish 2nd. Kelley edged Charlie Bennett for 3rd. Jimmy Collins finished 5th in his first year of eligibility. Sam Thompson moved ahead of Hugh Duffy to finish 6th. Joe McGinnity finished third among the newcomers and 8th overall. Frank Grant and Jimmy Ryan rounded out the top 10. Thanks to John Murphy, Patrick W and Eric C for adding everything up and getting it to me. Sorry for the delayed posting. RK LY Player Pts Bal 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 1 2 Cal McVey 723 37 17 7 2 3 1 1 2 1 1 1 1 2 3 Harry Stovey 627 40 5 7 4 2 5 1 3 3 1 2 2 1 1 3 3 n/a Joe Kelley 562 37 1 5 4 3 6 1 5 4 4 1 1 2 4 4 Charlie Bennett 557 33 5 9 4 3 1 2 2 1 1 1 2 1 1 5 n/a Jimmy Collins 483 33 2 1 1 5 6 2 3 8 2 1 1 1 6 6 Sam Thompson 457 32 4 3 5 2 4 2 3 3 1 1 4 7 5 Hugh Duffy 440 35 3 2 3 5 3 1 3 6 1 2 2 4 8 n/a Joe McGinnity 377 25 4 4 2 2 1 2 1 5 3 1 9 7 Frank Grant 357 28 1 2 1 6 3 2 2 4 1 4 1 1 10 8 Jimmy Ryan 342 26 1 1 2 1 5 4 4 4 2 2 11 10 Lip Pike 306 21 1 2 3 2 3 1 1 2 2 2 1 1 12 9 Jake Beckley 290 24 2 1 1 2 2 6 1 4 3 1 1 13 11 George Van Haltren 282 24 1 1 2 2 2 1 1 3 4 2 2 1 2 14 12 Hughie Jennings 258 22 1 2 1 1 3 1 3 1 2 2 3 2 15 13 Dickey Pearce 238 19 1 3 3 1 1 1 3 2 1 2 1 16 19 Bob Caruthers 193 13 1 4 1 1 1 3 1 1 17 14 Clark Griffith 181 18 1 2 1 2 1 2 4 2 3 18 15 Cupid Childs 169 18 1 1 1 3 1 1 6 4 19 16 Pete Browning* 166 14 1 3 2 2 2 2 1 1 20 18 Jim McCormick 166 13 1 4 2 1 2 1 1 1 21 17 Mike Tiernan 123 12 1 2 1 5 1 1 1 22 23 Mickey Welch 95 9 1 1 1 1 1 1 3 23 22 Charley Jones 89 9 1 1 1 1 3 2 24 20 Lave Cross 87 10 1 1 3 2 1 2 25 n/a Fielder Jones 83 10 1 1 2 1 1 4 26 27 Ed Williamson 75 10 1 1 2 4 2 27 24 John McGraw 73 7 1 1 1 2 2 28 21 Mike Griffin 64 6 1 1 2 1 1 29 28 Herman Long 53 7 2 2 1 2 30 25 Tony Mullane 49 5 1 2 1 1 31 30 Jim Whitney 40 3 1 1 1 32 26 Harry Wright 37 3 1 1 1 33 31 Tip O'Neill 35 3 1 1 1 34 29 Deacon McGuire 22 3 1 1 1 35 33 Tommy Bond 20 2 1 1 36 32 Fred Dunlap 14 1 1 37T 35T Bill Hutchison 9 1 1 37T 37 Levi Meyerle 9 1 1 39 35T Bobby Mathews 8 1 1 *won tie-breaker 12-11 on individual ballots. Dropped Out: Tom York (34), Noodles Hahn (38), Billy Nash (39T), Kid Gleason (39T), Kip Selbach (41). JoeD has the Imperial March Stuck in His Head
Posted: November 30, 2003 at 05:27 PM | 10 comment(s)
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1. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: December 01, 2003 at 01:54 AM (#519474)Joe, I noticed that I left a quotation mark off from this sentence. This line should read:
The toughest and most consistent of Boston?s ?Big Four," he played on three championship teams for that city (1872, 1874-75), plus one more with Chicago during the inaugural NL season of 1876.
Same here! To be honest, I wasn't sure if you were a new voter or a computer glitch because of your split (and abbreviated) ballot. :-)
Stovey was left off one ballot.
I had nine outfielders on my last ballot, but Kelley doesn't do anything for me. Not really anything spectacular peak-wise as a leftfielder, he had very good, but not outstanding, career numbers.
I'm just hoping that a few more candidates in the coming "years" create some distance between Kelley and the top slot. He would be my pick as the worst position player elected by a comfortable margin.
1. McVey 19.5
2. Bennett 16.9
3. Stovey 15.7
4. Kelley 15.2
5. McGinnity 15.1
6. Caruthers 14.8
7. Collins 14.64
8. Pike 14.57
9. Thompson 14.3
10. Dunlap 14
11. Whitney 13.3
12. Ryan 13.2
13. McCormick 12.8
14. Grant 12.75
15. Duffy 12.6
This of course is the number of points per ballot cast for the player in question--a measure of intensity (as opposed to breadth) of support, you might say. Dunlap, of course, received just 1 ballot for 7th place. The top 15ers in total points not on the top 15 per ballot are Pearce and Beckley next (>12 per ballot) and Van Haltren and Jennings (12 is Harry Wright at 12.3.
This is apropos of nothing, of course, because my sense is that a better predictor of who might get elected eventually would be, well, first, the total points but then, secondly, the number of ballots. The intensity would only be the third indicator, I would think. This is because in a down year the player in question will move up most of those ballots he's already on while he may not necessarily suddenly appear on a ballot he is not already on (he might be #25 instead of #16). In number of ballots it was:
1. Stovey 40
2. McVey and Kelley 37
4. Duffy 35
5. Bennett and Collins 33
7. Thompson 32
8. Grant 28
9. Ryan 26
10. McGinnity 25
11. Beckley and Van Haltren 24
13. Jennings 22
14. Pike 21
15. Pearce 19
My theory is buttressed by the fact that all 15 who appeared on the most ballots are also in the top overall ranking. Stovey is next on both points and ballots, then Kelley. My theory will be tested by whether Bennett (4th with 557 points) or Duffy (7th with 440 points, but 4th in number of ballots with 35) might get elected after Stovey and Kelley. (Of course, it is entirely possible that Kelley might experience the same sophomore slump that many players do--after being overrated in their initial year in the voting. Stovey and Bennett and Duffy have already passed through that particular crucible, so maybe Bennett vs. Duffy is not a good test of my theory. That at least will be my claim if Bennett in fact preceeds Duffy.)
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