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Hall of Merit — A Look at Baseball's All-Time Best Wednesday, February 11, 20041919 Results - Keeler & Kelley gain immortalityA couple of old Baltimore Orioles, Wee Willie Keeler and Joe Kelley have been elected to the Hall of Merit. Keeler made it in his fourth year of eligiblity and Kelley was on the ballot 6 years. First year eligible Jimmy Sheckard (the only new player to receive a vote) moved in at #6, between holdovers Joe McGinnity and Bob Caruthers. Other than that, the pecking order remained largely unchanged. In 1920 Jimmy Collins will be the top returning candidate, followed by Charlie Bennett and McGinnity. Bob Caruthers finished 7th. Frank Grant moved past Sam Thompson into 8th place. Rube Waddell finished 10th. Rk LY Player Pts Bal 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 1 2 Willie Keeler 827 45 11 7 6 4 4 5 1 2 1 1 1 1 1 2 3 Joe Kelley 768 45 7 7 4 6 3 3 2 1 4 3 5 3 4 Jimmy Collins 718 44 4 9 4 3 4 2 2 3 3 2 4 2 1 1 4 5 Charlie Bennett 638 36 11 2 5 3 2 2 5 1 1 1 1 1 1 5 6 Joe McGinnity 616 43 2 4 4 4 6 2 2 2 2 4 2 2 3 2 2 6 n/e Jimmy Sheckard 501 39 2 3 6 5 3 3 2 3 3 2 2 1 4 7 7 Bob Caruthers 495 35 4 3 4 2 3 1 1 1 2 3 2 6 3 8 9 Frank Grant 476 36 1 5 3 4 3 1 6 1 1 1 2 5 2 1 9 8 Sam Thompson 460 33 2 3 4 2 4 1 3 2 3 4 1 1 3 10 10 Rube Waddell 389 32 1 1 3 4 1 2 3 4 3 1 4 1 4 11 11 Lip Pike 331 24 1 3 3 2 3 2 3 3 3 1 12 12 Hughie Jennings 326 23 1 2 4 2 3 3 1 1 1 2 2 1 13 13 George Van Haltren 315 28 2 1 3 4 1 2 1 2 5 4 1 2 14 14 Jimmy Ryan 288 25 1 1 2 1 4 2 5 3 3 2 1 15 15 Jake Beckley 284 24 1 2 2 1 3 2 6 4 1 1 1 16 16 Dickey Pearce 274 20 2 1 3 2 1 1 1 3 3 1 2 17 18 Clark Griffith 266 28 3 2 1 4 4 3 2 5 4 18 17 Hugh Duffy 257 21 4 4 3 1 3 2 3 1 19 19 Pete Browning 170 13 1 1 1 1 1 1 3 1 1 1 1 20 20 Cupid Childs 146 15 1 2 3 4 4 1 21 23 Frank Chance 102 9 1 1 2 2 1 1 1 22 21 Addie Joss 101 8 1 2 2 1 1 1 23 24 Mickey Welch 99 7 2 1 1 1 1 1 24 22 Vic Willis 89 10 1 2 1 1 3 2 25 26 Jim McCormick 67 8 1 1 5 1 26 25 Sol White 61 6 1 1 2 2 27 29 Charley Jones 58 5 2 1 2 28 34 Ed Williamson 54 7 1 1 2 3 29 27 John McGraw 47 3 1 1 1 30 31 Harry Wright 44 3 1 1 1 31 30 Lave Cross* 33 4 1 1 1 1 32 32 Fielder Jones 33 4 2 1 1 33 28 Herman Long 28 3 1 2 34 33 Mike Tiernan 25 3 1 1 1 35 38T Tom York 24 2 1 1 36 41T Roy Thomas 23 3 1 1 1 37 35 Tony Mullane 22 2 1 1 38T 38T Jim Whitney 14 1 1 38T 37 Denny Lyons 14 1 1 40 40 Levi Meyerle 12 1 1 41T 41T Jimmy Williams 9 1 1 41T 43T Deacon Phillipe 9 1 1 43 43T Cy Seymour 8 1 1 44T -- Fred Dunlap 7 1 1 44T 45 Harry Davis 7 1 1 46 46T Silver King 6 1 1 *won tie-breaker 4-3 on individual ballots. Dropped Out: Tip O'Neill (36), Sam Leever (46T), Jack Powell (46T). JoeD has the Imperial March Stuck in His Head
Posted: February 11, 2004 at 12:16 AM | 21 comment(s)
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1. Marc Posted: February 11, 2004 at 01:02 AM (#521825)With this in mind, I counted how many times each player clearly was rated in voters' top 25s. This is a very unscientific method because many voters did not clearly identify their runners-up, but I'd say about 2/3 identified at least some. So here goes.
(There were 46 ballots, a record I believe!)
Name Ballots 1-15 Ballots 16-25 Total Ballots 1-25
I count 47 first place votes, including the McGraw-er way down below.
Tom H, Rusty, daryn, Karlmagnus, MattB, Andrew Siegel, Craig B, John Murphy, Marc, Chris J., Chris Cobb, Jim Spenser, Sean M., Rick A., dan b, Eric C., Clint, Yardape, sean gilman, Rob C., OCF, Rob Wood, Dan G., Al Peterson, Favre, ed, Ron Wargo, Patrick W, Philip, Brad G., jimd, Adam Schafer, Mark McKinniss, Howie Menkel, KJOK, yest, RMc, Don F, Esteban Rivera, Jeff M., Ken Fischer, JoeDimino, MichaelD., Devin McCullen, Brian H., Max Parkinson, Carl Goetz
Elected in 1st year (* indicates finished 1st in voting): Anson, Barnes, Brouthers*, Clarke, Clarkson*, Connor*, Dahlen, Davis*, Delahanty*, Ewing, Gore, Hamilton*, Hines, Kelly, Nichols*, O'Rourke*, Rusie, Ward, White*, Young*
For the record--9 players finished 1st in the voting in their 1st year on the ballot.* 11 others were elected in their 1st shot. And 16 were elected 2nd year or later. 9 out of 36 = 25%. So it's interesting if not perfect.
*Brouthers, Clarkson, Connor, Davis, Delahanty, Hamilton, Nichols, O'Rourke, White, Young
A "real" Inner Circle would almost surely have Anson in place of O'Rourke and/or White, but it's close.
First, estimate the number of future HoMers on a given ballot. By my reckoning, this has varied from 7 to 14 during the course of our elections. For 1919 let?s guess ten. So any Top 10 vote puts you in the money -- a voter is saying, de facto, that you belong in the HoM. Recent elections indicate likely future induction for: Collins (36 top ten votes), Bennett and McGinnity (32), Sheckard (27), Grant (25), Thompson (24), Caruthers (21), and Waddell (19).
Actually, when I say there are ten HoMers on the 1919 ballot, it?s not necessarily the top ten finishers in that election. There are only three holdovers here that are certain to make it: Collins, McGinnity and Bennett. The other five could come from among any of those players finishing 6th to 19th. It?s the infamous Gray Area.
My method, as well as Marc's MBM theory, is subject to the shifting sands of electorate opinion. For example, Hugh Duffy. In 1919 he finished 18th in voting; in 1913 he was 5th. He was in the money from 1907-15. My, how wrong we were then, eh? With Flick, Keeler and Kelley now gone, is he worth a reexamination? Is Duffy really 15 places worse than Kelley?
Or Caruthers. He was in the Money 1899-03 and 1916-19. In 1906 he finished 12th; by 1911-12 he was 20th, behind guys like Tiernan and McCormick.; now, he has surged up to 7th. Which placement is right?
The question is, are we sure that the doors of our Hallowed Hall should swing open for Sheckard, Grant, Thompson, Caruthers and Waddell? While possibly excluding forever Pike, Jennings, Van Haltren, Ryan, Beckley, Pearce, Griffith, Duffy and Browning? In 1920, consider carefully those first ten spots on your ballot, the Money Spots. These are the spots that will advance towards election during the candidate drought 1924-32.
What's that number? And if we know that number, then we know how deep on the current ballot we are likely to go, and then we can start splitting hairs about whether it is more likely to be Thompson or Waddell.
That number, to keep things interesting, is impossible to establish with any precision because the early Negro League stars are entering the ballot, and we have no way of knowing how they will do with the electorate.
Thanks for posting the HOM game. It was a strange game, even in the make beleive, virtual world. Both Joe Jackson and Edd Roush missed the game.
That's it, the gamblers have gone too far, I'm replaying the game:
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