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Hall of Merit — A Look at Baseball's All-Time Best Tuesday, February 24, 20041920 Results - Walsh elected in first tryBig Ed Walsh has been elected to the Hall of Merit in his first year of eligibility. While being far from unanimous (Walsh received 17 of 46 first place votes) Walsh easily outpointed the top returning vote-getting, Jimmy Collins (who finished 2nd) 822-687. In a bit of a surprise, Charlie Bennett closed the gap on Collins from 80 to 37 points. Two players will be elected in 1921. Newcomer Bobby Wallace edged Joe McGinnity for 4th place, 581-577. Jimmy Sheckard finished 6th, Frank Grant and Sam Thompson moved past Bob Caruthers into 7th & 8th place. Caruthers’ roller coaster ride continues. This year he fell off 3 ballots and lost 73 points (there was one fewer voter in the election, he received 35 votes last year, 31 this year). Hughie Jennings moved past Rube Waddell and Lip Pike into 10th place. Also noteworthy is the leap made by Hugh Duffy, who jumped from 18th to 12th. He picked up 43 points despite there being one fewer voter, as he was named on 3 additional ballots. RK LY Player PTS Bal 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 1 n/e Ed Walsh 822 44 17 6 4 3 5 1 1 2 1 1 1 2 2 3 Jimmy Collins 687 45 3 8 8 1 5 1 1 4 3 3 4 1 2 1 3 4 Charlie Bennett 650 37.5 11 6 2 2 2 3 3 1 1 2 2 1 1 0.5 4 n/e Bobby Wallace 581 39.5 3 3 2 7 4 5 3 1 2 1 2 2 3 1.5 5 5 Joe McGinnity 577 40 2 4 6 2 2 6 3 4 1 1 2 2 1 2 2 6 6 Jimmy Sheckard 480 35 2 2 3 1 7 5 5 2 3 1 2 2 7 8 Frank Grant 473 35 3 5 3 3 3 3 1 2 2 1 2 5 1 1 8 9 Sam Thompson 438 33 1 4 2 1 5 1 3 4 1 1 4 1 1 4 9 7 Bob Caruthers 422 31 4 2 4 2 2 1 1 3 4 3 2 3 10 12 Hughie Jennings 345 27 2 3 3 1 2 1 2 2 1 3 2 1 1 3 11 10 Rube Waddell 330 27 2 4 2 1 2 2 2 1 3 1 4 1 2 12 18 Hugh Duffy 300 23 1 3 3 2 1 4 2 3 1 1 2 13 11 Lip Pike 296 22 2 1 2 3 4 1 3 2 1 1 2 14 13 George Van Haltren 288 26 2 1 1 2 3 1 3 3 4 3 3 15 15 Jake Beckley 279 24 1 1 1 2 4 1 2 2 5 1 4 16 16 Dickey Pearce 272 19 2 1 2 4 2 4 4 17 14 Jimmy Ryan 255 23 1 1 1 2 1 4 4 1 2 5 1 18 17 Clark Griffith 229 23 1 2 1 2 3 2 3 6 2 1 19 n/e Bill Monroe 227 23.5 1 1 2 4 2 1 1 4 2 5.5 20 20 Cupid Childs 144 15 1 5 3 1 5 21 19 Pete Browning 143 11 1 1 1 1 2 3 1 1 22 24 Vic Willis* 97 11 1 2 3 1 3 1 23 21 Frank Chance 97 8 2 1 2 1 1 1 24 23 Mickey Welch 94 7 2 1 1 1 1 1 25 22 Addie Joss 90 7 2 1 1 2 1 26 25 Jim McCormick 70 8 1 1 1 4 1 27 27 Charley Jones 66 5 1 1 1 1 1 28 29 John McGraw 58 5 1 1 3 29 32 Fielder Jones 44 5 1 1 1 2 30 28 Ed Williamson 43 5 1 1 1 1 1 31 30 Harry Wright 40 3 1 1 1 32 26 Sol White 38 3 1 1 1 33 31 Lave Cross^ 26 3 1 1 1 34 37 Tony Mullane 26 2.5 1 1 0.5 35 33 Herman Long 18 2 1 1 36 38T Jim Whitney 14 1 1 37T 35 Tom York 13 1 1 37T 38T Denny Lyons 13 1 1 39 40 Levi Meyerle 12 1 1 40 -- Mike Griffin 11 1 1 41 41T Deacon Phillipe 9 1 1 42 36 Roy Thomas 7 1 1 43T 34 Mike Tiernan 6 1 1 43T 43 Cy Seymour 6 1 1 43T 46 Silver King 6 1 1 43T -- Bobby Mathews 6 1 1 43T -- Deacon McGuire 6 1 1 *won tie-breaker (9-7 on individual ballots), ^won tie-breaker (3-2.5 total votes) Dropped Out: Jimmy Williams (41T), Fred Dunlap (44T), Harry Davis (44T). JoeD has the Imperial March Stuck in His Head
Posted: February 24, 2004 at 08:56 AM | 13 comment(s)
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1. Dag Nabbit: Sockless Psychopath Posted: February 24, 2004 at 01:36 PM (#522401)In 1919 Collins had 4 1st place & 9 2nd place votes. This year he had three 1st place votes. I'd reckon that Collins's diminished lead to Bennett would be due to the bump in points given to the top two slots in a two-player election year & the single top slot in a one player election year. Seeing as how this is a 2-man election year & 8 people voted for Collins in 3rd (as opposed to only 2 for Bennett) I think his lead is secure for the time being.
Still, it will save me some mental contorting in 1926; I would normally have had to make assumptions about Jackson and Cicotte's later careers to justify putting them on the ballot, but Jackson had more (and MUCH better) career than Flick and Cicotte had about 10% more career than Walsh, just about equally good (he's the one whose HOF chances were REALLY ruined by the Black Sox scandal; as a knuckleballer, he'd almost certainly have gone on long enough to win 300, at which point he'd have gone in easily. Now Jackson will probably go in some day, but I've heard no campaign to induct Cicotte.) So in 1926 expect my ballot to have Jackson #1 (or at lowest #2 to Caruthers) and Cicotte around #8-12.
Collins--his 11 1sts and 2nds will all again be "bonused" and let's say half of his 3rds also move up to 2nds with Walsh off the ballot. That's 15 "bonus positions" (1sts and 2nds) next time minus zero; he was not left off any ballots. For a final score of +15.
Bennett stands to get 18 bonus positons next year but to miss 7 ballots for a score of +11. So I agree that Collins should go in at number one in 1921.
Wallace is at 7-5=2.
1) According to the tally above, there were 46 ballots cast, not 45. Meaning Collins was left off a ballot. Unless the tally is wrong again.
2) Additional reasons why McGinnity should pass Bennett is that the competition on the ballot favors this. Walsh pulled votes from Joe and Caruthers, they should get back near to 1919 support. Bresnahan will pull votes from Bennett, especially by the timeline voters. Grant also figures to decline somewhat as Johnson seems to be the new favorite. (Personally, I try to avoid positional over-representation downgrading, but it seems to be fairly common.)
That said, Bennett has been steadily gaining notice. His left-off ballot totals have decreased for three straight elections, from 13 in 1917, then 12, 11 and 8. His personal low is six, last reached in 1911; there are about a half dozen hard-core EOCB.
Another thing to watch is the OF glut. The next four elections add nobody to the glut. (Crawford is clearly above the glut, Leach is not really an OF.) Until Magee comes on in 1925, we'll rehash Sheckard, Thompson, Duffy, Van Haltren, Ryan.
So far, Joe Kelley is the only "mistake," IMO. In other words (is this what IOW means when I see it here sometimes), we're doing damn good!
Walsh went in so easily because we are indeed into a weak period. Collins' numbers just do not match his rep, and with guys like Wallace and Sheckard near the top, we are not going to be electing all Type A and B HoMers for awhile. But then look down to about #10--Jennings and Waddell have been there the past two weeks. Neither of them is the worst Cooperstown HoFer, neither of them would be a "bad" choice here. So I'm not in the least embarrassed to be electing a Type C HoFer/HoMer. It's a numbers game or an alphabet game or something. As Bill James has said, Babe Ruth and Ted Williams were never the standard.
Walsh was certainly not the dreaded "no-brainer" (definition: high peak and career value).
In the end, though, it really doesn't matter: he belongs.
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