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Tuesday, March 23, 2004

1922 Results: Lajoie, Mathewson elected in a landslide

Nap Lajoie and Christy Mathewson have been elected to the Hall of Merit.

Lajoie was named first on 37 of 46 ballots. Mathewson was first or 2nd on all ballots. The two were nearly unanimous, just one voter failed to list them 1-2 on his ballot.

Mordecai “Three-Finger” Brown finished 3rd with 595 points. He’ll likely have to wait until 1924 to be elected (Honus Wagner comes on the ballot in 1923, and only one player will be elected that year).

Brown won’t be a shoo-in in 1924, however. Grant “Home Run” Johnson finished 4th, with 548 points, narrowly edging Joe McGinnity (546). Bobby Wallace slipped behind them both, finishing 6th with 478 points.

Frank Grant finished 7th with 442 points, followed by Jimmy Sheckard (419), Sam Thompson (361) and Bob Caruthers (338).

Rk   LY  Player              Pts Bal   1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9 10 11 12 13 14 15
 1  n/e  Nap Lajoie         1091  46  38  7  1                                    
 2  n/e  Christy Mathewson  1065  46   7 39                                       
 3  n/e  Mordecai Brown      595  39        12  4  7  5  2  4     2  1           2
 4    4  Grant Johnson       548  37         5  7  9  5  2  2  2  2        1     2
 5    3  Joe McGinnity       546  40         3  8  5  1  6  3  4  4  1  1     3  1
 6    5  Bobby Wallace       478  37         4  3  3  3  7  3  2  2  2  2  2  1  3
 7    6  Frank Grant         442  33         3  3  2 10  2  2  2  1  1  2  4     1
 8    7  Jimmy Sheckard      419  32         1  3  4  2  5  7  4     1     2  3   
 9    9  Sam Thompson        361  26         6  3  1  3  1  4  1  3  1        2  1
10    8  Bob Caruthers       338  26   1     4  4  1     1  2  2     3  4  2     2
11   10  Rube Waddell        277  27            1  1  2  2  1  4  2  1  2  3  3  5
12   13  Jake Beckley        267  24               2     1  2  6  2  6  2  2  1   
13   11  Hughie Jennings     259  22         1  2  2  3     2     2     6  1  2  1
14   12  Roger Bresnahan     256  25         1        1  4  2  1  2  1  2  3  7  1
15   14  Hugh Duffy          244  22                  5  2     3  1  3  3  3  1  1
16   16  Dickey Pearce       233  18         1  3  4     1     1  1  4  1  1     1
17   15  Lip Pike            230  19         4  1  1     1  1  1  1  2  3  1  2  1
18   18  George Van Haltren  228  22                  2  4  2  1  1  4     2  1  5
19   17  Jimmy Ryan          209  20               1  2  1  1  2  4  1     3  4  1
20   19  Clark Griffith      174  19                        1  3  2  4  1  2  2  4
21   20  Bill Monroe         120  13                     1  1     3  2  1     1  4
22   22  Pete Browning       117  10            1  1        2  1  1  2  1        1
23   21  Tommy Leach         107  12                        1     2  1  4     2  2
24   25  Mickey Welch        100   9            2        1  1     1        1  2  1
25   24  Frank Chance         85   8                  1     1  1  1  1  1  1  1   
26   23  Cupid Childs         81   9               1              1     2  2  2  1
27   26  Addie Joss           60   6                           3        2        1
28   27  Vic Willis           57   6                  1           1     2     1  1
29   28  Charlie Jones        53   5                     1     2        1        1
30   29  Jim McCormick        45   5                              2        2  1   
31   33T Ed Williamson        38   5                                 1  1     1  2
32   31  Herman Long          34   4                                 1     3      
33   30  John McGraw*         32   3            1                          1  1   
33   33T Lave Cross           32   3                        1        1  1         
35   32  Harry Wright         27   2               1              1               
36   35  Fielder Jones        15   2                                       1  1   
37   38  Jim Whitney          14   1                     1                        
38   37  Tony Mullane         11   1                              1               
39   40  Denny Lyons          10   1                                 1            
40   47T Silver King           9   1                                    1         
41T  36  Sol White             8   1                                       1      
41T  39  Joe Tinker            8   1                                       1      
41T  --  Fred Dunlap           8   1                                       1      
44   41T Deacon Phillippe      7   1                                          1   
*won sixth tie-breaker (more 4th place votes).
Dropped Out: Mike Tiernan (41T), Cy Seymour (41T), Levi Meyerle (44), Bobby 
Mathews (45T), Harry Davis (45T), Roy Thomas (47T), Deacon McGuire (47T).

JoeD has the Imperial March Stuck in His Head Posted: March 23, 2004 at 08:02 AM | 10 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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1. Marc Posted: March 23, 2004 at 12:32 PM (#523396)

By my count, the six of these also-rans are almost sure to go in by 1932, maybe eight. If anybody thinks we've got the wrong six-eight guys at #3-10 speak now.

Brown 16 possible bonus positions minus 7 missed ballots (a sure thing)

2. Jason Posted: March 23, 2004 at 05:52 PM (#523398)

It seems that Mordecai Brown is going to enter the HoM, and he is certainly deserving. But it surprises me to see only 1 HoM'er from the consistently best team of all time (not counting Sheckard, who was in his decline phase and who I am skeptical about).

3. Marc Posted: March 23, 2004 at 06:12 PM (#523399)

IOW, the Cubs are getting two, not one.

And if Sheckard was in decline from 1906 to 1912 (with an MVP caliber year as late as 1911) then it was the slowest and most imperceptible decline of all time.

I could just as easily say that I can't believe the Giants of that era, who competed with the Cubbies tooth and nail, are only getting 1 HoMer (Matty) because McGinnity (who will get in) and (maybe) Bresnahan don't count.

The Cubs won because nobody else had as many all-stars at one time and place. You can win with a team that has 5-6 all-stars but no HoFers or HoMers (except the Cubs had two).

4. Chris Cobb Posted: March 23, 2004 at 06:50 PM (#523401)

I could just as easily say that I can't believe the Giants of that era, who competed with the Cubbies tooth and nail, are only getting 1 HoMer (Matty) because McGinnity (who will get in) and (maybe) Bresnahan don't count.

Bill Dahlen was in there, too -- he was one of two key acquisitions between 1903-1904 that put the Giants over the top. The other was Art Devlin at 3rd.

And what about the great Pirates teams? If Tommy Leach doesn't make it, and there's a good chance he won't, it'll just be Clarke and Wagner representing those teams . . .

I'm with Marc on this one.

5. Jeff M Posted: March 23, 2004 at 08:03 PM (#523403)

Also notable is that Silver King rocketed 7 places to #40.

Actually, the thing I find most surprising is the gulf between Frank Grant at #7 and Bill Monroe at #21.

6. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: March 23, 2004 at 08:59 PM (#523404)

Actually, the thing I find most surprising is the gulf between Frank Grant at #7 and Bill Monroe at #21.

I'm surprised that Monroe has been doing poorly on our ballots. A player that was once compared to Jimmy Collins as a hitter and as a defensive player should be making the vast majority of our ballots. I think the "flashy" tag has really hurt him here.

7. Chris Cobb Posted: March 23, 2004 at 10:04 PM (#523405)

I'm surprised that Monroe has been doing poorly on our ballots. A player that was once compared to Jimmy Collins as a hitter and as a defensive player should be making the vast majority of our ballots. I think the "flashy" tag has really hurt him here.

Well, another problem with Monroe's case is the lack of evidence to corroborate his reputation. The evidence for Johnson is a lot less extensive than one would wish, but the evidence for Monroe is a lot thinner than that, and none of it indicates that Monroe was as good as Johnson. Given that most of the electorate is not ranking Johnson significantly higher than they ranked Collins (which in my opinion underrates Johnson), it's not surprising that Monroe, whom all the evidence suggests was not as good as Johnson, ranks significantly lower on a highly competitive ballot.

_I'd_ say that Monroe is also being hurt because 1900s pitchers are being overrated, but my case about pitchers like Walsh and Brown has not been convincing to many.

8. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: March 24, 2004 at 12:49 AM (#523406)

I'd_ say that Monroe is also being hurt because 1900s pitchers are being overrated, but my case about pitchers like Walsh and Brown has not been convincing to many.

I actually agree with you about the pitchers, but I decided to go with the consensus concerning the number of pitchers in the HoM. As long as best position players are not slighted, I'm comfortable with that.

9. Sean Gilman Posted: March 24, 2004 at 04:14 AM (#523407)

In honor of our two electees this year, the annual HOM game is between the Cleveland Indians and the New York Giants. This was easy to arrange as everyone knew these two guys would get elected this year.

http://www.whatifsports.com/mlb/boxscore.asp?GameID=13857838&ad=1

10. Marc Posted: March 26, 2004 at 10:49 PM (#523408)

Well, thank goodness we were able to separate out one of the glut of 2Bs! ;-)

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